Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Live Poker => Seat Exchange => Topic started by: Curlarge on March 16, 2010, 14:14:26 PM
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It has become clear to me over the past few weeks that there seems little point in any of us posting a request for a seat at any of the live events this year because when a seat becomes available, the seller simply posts that fact on these pages and waits for someone to contact them, rather than contacting someone who has asked to be considered for a seat earlier on.
There are a number of people, me included on behalf of a new member, who have posted a seat request for Swansea seat, yet I am still to be asked by a potential seller if I want to take that seat. Instead these have been sold to other who have not posted this request on the seat exchange. this seems a little unfair, as it trusts to luck that you are looking at this page at just the right moment.
Therefore can I suggest that if you have seat to sell, that you go to the bottom of this list and IM the next person in line and ask if the are still looking. This would seem to be the fairest way to ensure that those who asked first get first dibs. It"s just a thought!
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Perhaps we need a first come first served waiting list.....
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I guess its because the seller does not want the bother of potentially contacting a long list of people in the interests of fairness. Your suggestion is fair, but just not very practical. An alternative solution would be to click the notify button within the seat exchange area and leave your mail application (MSN) logged in. Therefore when a new posting is made within the seat exchange area you will be notified by email and can quickly check to see if it is a seller and try to respond first. GL
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Thanks guys, both very good idea, which was the reaction I had hoped for. Perhaps a change may occur soon.
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Didn"t I sell you a seat?
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Perhaps we need a first come first served waiting list.....
There is another reason apart from the practicality.
That is, £75 isn"t an insignificant amount of money and although there isn"t much scope for people being scammed over an APAT seat, I would imagine that there are still a fair number of people who still prefer to do business like this only with people they know rather than strangers.
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Perhaps we need a first come first served waiting list.....
There is another reason apart from the practicality.
That is, £75 isn"t an insignificant amount of money and although there isn"t much scope for people being scammed over an APAT seat, I would imagine that there are still a fair number of people who still prefer to do business like this only with people they know rather than strangers.
This only has meaning if we are talking about personal transfer of funds. I"m pretty sure Betfair would be able to do something with the Holding Tank - ie releasing one player"s registration, but keep the Tank locked, and allow the next person on the waiting list to register.... and perhaps that person only has a certain timebound period of exclusivity, after which the next person on the list is allowed to register, and so on.
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Not so much an answer to your problem. Human nature being what it is, most people are going to offer their place to a friend first off. They will post and offer to first reply or able to pay there and then. I have come across situations on the seat exchange i haven"t been too fond of, but ultimately, it is their seat to sell to whomever they wish, whether we agree or not.
Another reason that they post/sell, may be that they want it sorting there and then, as they do not have the time to trawl through posts and await replies.
Suppose we have a first come first served list, and three seats become available. How long do we wait for replies from first three before going onto 4/5 or6 etc. Now suppose 2 replies but not 1/3, we allocate seat to 2? then find seats 1/3 are no longer available for whatever reason. Now 1 may kick off as he was first request. I can think of a lot of perms where this could falter.
Sell back to Apat? This would not work, as they want the seats sold(not bought) also like above, the time and confusion with re allocating seats etc.
So i think were stuck with what we have at the moment, and people requiring seats simply need to monitor the forum, and not put the owness onto the seller. After all it is a sellers market at the mo ;D
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I actually dont know why sellers dont simply unregister from the holding tank, instead of looking for a buyer. I assume it it possible to simply unregister and funds are automatically refunded. Im I missing something here?
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Sorry Curlage in short though, I agree with You. If i had a seat for sale and someone had asked, i would probably offer it to them. After any good friends, who may be after a seat also of course. As I"m sure if you couldn"t make it, you would have offered your friend(new member) yours.
Sorry still got no other means to solve this one.....yet?
Cheers Paul :)
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Not sure about this Colin. At the risk of sounding a bit like John Murray ;D
Have You tried to unregister, and let us know the answer. :o
Just kidding, c u in Swansea :)
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Therefore can I suggest that if you have seat to sell, that you go to the bottom of this list and IM the next person in line and ask if the are still looking. This would seem to be the fairest way to ensure that those who asked first get first dibs. It"s just a thought!
Nice idea but, without someone maintaining a list the threads/posts move up and down depending on replies.
So if someone just comments on a sale, it pushes it to the top..regardless of whether any sale is pending or not.
I would also mention that posting multiple requests (as I have seen some people do) wastes time and is, ultimately, ineffective, as the threads/posts get merged.
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Well this has certainly given us something to discuss this afternoon. thanks to all for your comments, I agree with virtually everyone, I guess it"s a difficult thing to regulate and things will continue as they have.
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Think Paul has it about right, anyone selling a seat for APAT events will always find a buyer and with the amount of requests to buy and the many "bumps" that some get it is difficult to determine who was first, apart from trawling all requests and checking date and time posted.
There was a post stuck up last night alerting that there had been an unreg and that gave someone the opportunity to then log into betfair and pick up the seat. Seemed fair to me, even tho I was at work and couldn"t take it up myself.
I was more surprised at a request to sell a seat for stars transfer only. This could have been done by agreeing to unreg and allow the person you had agreed to exchange with to reg and I would assume the method chosen required the input of a member of admin. This method also limits the chances of grimming.
For almost every event I have seen buy and sell requests appear and this can actually burden the admin staff with additional work they don"t need. Our link with betfair gives us the opportunity to sort these ourselves. The holding tank is a fantastic tool afforded to us that we didn"t have before so lets use it.
Suggestion:
I notice that when regging for a tourney on betfair that the list seems to remain in the order that people register. Would it therefore be feesible to have an additional holding tank for alternates in the future. This would list on a first come basis and if someone is selling a seat they can contact the next on the list and arrange a time for an unreg by the seller and a reg by the buyer.
Just my tuppence worth..................I await my PM ;)
Geo
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.....An alternative solution would be to click the notify button within the seat exchange area and leave your mail application (MSN) logged in. Therefore when a new posting is made within the seat exchange area you will be notified by email and can quickly check to see if it is a seller and try to respond first. GL
That is a great idea, and thank you. :) Might have helped, even if it meant I left the office and drove home quickly to respond!
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I actually dont know why sellers dont simply unregister from the holding tank, instead of looking for a buyer. I assume it it possible to simply unregister and funds are automatically refunded.
Yeah it"s possible, me and a mate were selling our Swansea seats and he simply unreg"d as he wanted Betfair funds anyway so thought there was less hassle involved in simply unregistering and I posted a notice here along with my seat.
I was more surprised at a request to sell a seat for stars transfer only.
I think you might be referring to my request for transfer of my seat to be via Full Tilt transfer, and I don"t think it"s weird for me to request that - I don"t need money on Betfair, I didn"t want the cash and I needed funds on Full Tilt, simple as. One thing I fail to see though, is how unreg"n from the holding tank on Betfair is any fairer than posting here because it"s still fastest finger first and you"d still need to be online to notice it and would probably be alerted to it via here anyway.
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... One thing I fail to see though, is how unreg"n from the holding tank on Betfair is any fairer than posting here because it"s still fastest finger first and you"d still need to be online to notice it and would probably be alerted to it via here anyway.
I"m not necessarily arguing against it, but just to point out, in addition to being online and noticing it - you also need to have Betfair installed on your PC.
That"s almost everybody who"s at work who wouldn"t be able to register for 8-10 hours of the day (or more depending on commuting distance)
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Personally I don"t see it as a problem and think it works as is. I"ve posted on here requesting a seat and not got one before now but that"s just the way it goes. I"ve also managed to get one and on one occasion someone ran a draw which i won and was then offered the seat.
It"s up to the seller how they sell their seat and who they sell it to. Whether they choose to sell it to a friend, pick the first name off the board they find, post it for sale or offer it to the first person to name their first born child after them that"s their choice. Personally if i ever have a seat to sell i"m going for the last one. :)
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Personally I don"t see it as a problem and think it works as is. I"ve posted on here requesting a seat and not got one before now but that"s just the way it goes. I"ve also managed to get one and on one occasion someone ran a draw which i won and was then offered the seat.
It"s up to the seller how they sell their seat and who they sell it to. Whether they choose to sell it to a friend, pick the first name off the board they find, post it for sale or offer it to the first person to name their first born child after them that"s their choice. Personally if i ever have a seat to sell i"m going for the last one. :)
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