Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: Sillbags on March 17, 2010, 12:38:24 PM
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After exiting last night"s satellite on the bubble, I would like to get some opinions on whether my final hand was misplayed or was in fact pretty standard. Sorry, haven"t got proper hand history as I am at work atm. Ok, so we"re 7 handed and the blinds are 600/1200 +100ante. Short stack has 10k, me and 2 others are around 17k and there are 3 larger stacks. Action folds round to chip leader on button who raises to 2800, I"m on SB with ah js and decided as i"m ahead of button"s opening range and BB also on 14bb"s with 17k, it was a good spot to re-shove. Turns out the BB wakes up with ad kc and cold calls my shove. I think my play was standard in a regular tourney where you are trying to win the thing, but not so sure in a satellite. ???
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seems fine
put it this way, if it folds round to you in the SB would you open fold?
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Of cause not, but not sure if I would have open shoved 14bb"s though. Prob would have raised to around 3k and folded to a shove from BB. ?
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meh i dunno if i"d want to raise/fold AJ BvB, shoving is better
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Lucky shortstack to have suicidal players still in on a bubble where all prizes are equal.
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fold>>>>shove>raise>call
Surely with someone on 10k, and you with 17k, this is an auto-fold in a satellite at bubble time???
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fold>>>>shove>raise>call
Surely with someone on 10k, and you with 17k, this is an auto-fold in a satellite at bubble time???
And having just gone thru the blinds, I concur!
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Well, 6th place was the real bubble i guess as there were 5 seats and 6th got $10. So with 2 other 17k stacks on the table I saw this as an opportunity to sneak out of the danger zone as to speak.
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fold>>>>shove>raise>call
Surely with someone on 10k, and you with 17k, this is an auto-fold in a satellite at bubble time???
Bugger, I agree with Steve.
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fold>>>>shove>raise>call
Surely with someone on 10k, and you with 17k, this is an auto-fold in a satellite at bubble time???
Bugger, I agree with Steve.
+1
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agree with Mr Redfern here
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I got the stack sizes slightly wrong. Here is the hand:
http://weaktight.com/2132179 (http://weaktight.com/2132179)
Remember only 5 seats guys!
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fold>>>>shove>raise>call
Surely with someone on 10k, and you with 17k, this is an auto-fold in a satellite at bubble time???
Bugger, I agree with Steve.
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aye the wee man was in that on 10k and he won a seat - but then he is miles better than me
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fold>>>>shove>raise>call
Surely with someone on 10k, and you with 17k, this is an auto-fold in a satellite at bubble time???
Bugger, I agree with Steve.
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aye the wee man was in that on 10k and he won a seat - but then he is miles better than me
Good Luck tonight Duke. :)
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Absolutely clear fold in a satellite near a bubble
The button is chip leader, you want to be attacking similar stacks to yours/shortstacks not putting yourself at risk against him
The reshove from the sb v button is fine in a normal comp with laddered payout structure but in a 100%/0% prize scenario near the seats, it goes in the bin
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I"m in the fold camp also. There is no excuse to get busted on [or close to] the bubble if you"re no the short stack.
Since we are now playing on Betfair, I would suggest searching out Ariston"s excellent articles on playing satellites.
[Edit: I"ve just had a quick look on Betfair and wasn"t able to find any articles, by anyone! I have a copy of said satellite article, but not sure I should re-produce it here, without Ariston"s permission. Anyone know how to get hold of him? Rich?]
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meh i don"t think it is as clear a 100% fold as everyone makes out. We are second short stack and still 2 places out from a seat. The short stack is hardly in critical shape, although he has the blinds next hand. The button"s range is wide-ish and he"ll fold tonnes as our move is strong, making our position more comfortable if we take it down. If the small stack doubles up or steals a few we will be the short stack. We are no way going to cruise to a seat here.
It would have been better posted without the result of the hand - i.e. BB calling and winning with AK, although that call can be questioned in these circumstances, probably more than the SB shove.
still pose the question in what people would do if folded round to the SB, just open fold, raise/fold, limp??
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fold>>>>shove>raise>call
Surely with someone on 10k, and you with 17k, this is an auto-fold in a satellite at bubble time???
Total agreement
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If it folds round im open shoving AJ, raise calling sucks in a satelite and surely raise folding becomes too exploitable on the bubble, put the decision on them. tbh not sure i hate the way the hand was played, we were one away from the propper bubble at the time and u still need to accumulate some chips to stay in the safety zone and tbh none of the big stacks were realli pushing the action too much, button was prob folding and its pretty unlucky to run into AK in the bb
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still pose the question in what people would do if folded round to the SB, just open fold, raise/fold, limp??
I would be open shoving. I don"t mind getting in first, but don"t want to be getting my chips in in this spot when there is already action.
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How large was the big stack? How much would he have had left if he"d have called your 14k re-raise with his AK, for what he must have thought would be a coin-flip, and lost?
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How large was the big stack? How much would he have had left if he"d have called your 14k re-raise with his AK, for what he must have thought would be a coin-flip, and lost?
there is a hand link on other table, he had over double hero"s stack. It was the BB who called behind with the AK, not the original raiser
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Pretty sure he only had around 40 k, the other big stack who had been aggressive earlier had calmed down a bit as we approached the bubble, as a big stack he has to be opening such a wide range on the button because neither sb or bb are going to fight back without a hand. In this situation where the big stack was only around double most of the short stacks i think hes going to be folding enough. Why take the chance of becoming a short stack himself when he can coast to a seat
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I"m in the fold camp also. There is no excuse to get busted on [or close to] the bubble if you"re no the short stack.
Since we are now playing on Betfair, I would suggest searching out Ariston"s excellent articles on playing satellites.
[Edit: I"ve just had a quick look on Betfair and wasn"t able to find any articles, by anyone! I have a copy of said satellite article, but not sure I should re-produce it here, without Ariston"s permission. Anyone know how to get hold of him? Rich?]
Permission to reproduce obtained from Ariston, see thread in APAT Academy section - http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=5637.0 (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=5637.0)