Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: Santino67 on October 23, 2010, 22:06:03 PM
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Firstly I don"t want this to be a hard luck story, the 2nd hand speaks for itself anyway. Prayed the other player would think I was tilting :D . Always trying to improve my game so keen to hear advice/tips/criticism. There i was cruising along from 1500 chips on Betfair to about 3.2k at level 4. The players on left and right had been fairly loose but dumped a few hands to re-raises.....then i ran into these 2 hands. First hand I"m particularly interested to know your views, especially the stack/pot sizes, position etc etc.
Cheers, Grant
***** End of hand T5-91549220-35 *****
***** History for hand T5-91549220-36 (TOURNAMENT: "$5,500 NL Holdem", R-458-488, buy-in: $22) *****
Start hand: Sat Oct 23 20:57:46 GMT+0100 2010
Table: Table #6 [91549220] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM 40/80, TC)
User: Santino1967
Button: seat 2
Players in round: 9
Seat 3: hashnshish (1875)
Seat 4: Santino1967 (3100)
Seat 5: sobahorse (3052)
Seat 6: calecton (1465)
Seat 7: paymybils (1895)
Seat 8: okog (2155)
Seat 9: wolves9 (3798)
Seat 10: whizzleb (3000)
Seat 2: _LOPUS_ (1255)
hashnshish posts small blind (40)
Santino1967 posts big blind (80)
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Dealing pocket cards
Dealing to Santino1967: qh ah
sobahorse folds
calecton raises 240 to 240
paymybils folds
okog folds
wolves9 folds
whizzleb folds
_LOPUS_ folds
hashnshish calls 200
Santino1967 raises 3020 to 3100 [all in]
calecton calls 1225 [all in]
hashnshish folds
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--- Dealing flop 3c ad 7c
--- Dealing turn kh
--- Dealing river td
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Summary:
Main pot: 3170 won by calecton (3170)
Rake taken: $0
Seat 3: hashnshish (1635), net: -240
Seat 4: Santino1967 (1635), net: -1465, qh ah (PAIR ACE)
Seat 5: sobahorse (3052)
Seat 6: calecton (3170), net: +1705, ts tc (THREE_OF_A_KIND TEN)
Seat 7: paymybils (1895)
Seat 8: okog (2155)
Seat 9: wolves9 (3798)
Seat 10: whizzleb (3000)
Seat 2: _LOPUS_ (1255)
***** End of hand T5-91549220-36 *****
***** History for hand T5-91549220-37 (TOURNAMENT: "$5,500 NL Holdem", R-458-488, buy-in: $22) *****
Start hand: Sat Oct 23 20:58:45 GMT+0100 2010
Table: Table #6 [91549220] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM 40/80, TC)
User: Santino1967
Button: seat 3
Players in round: 9
Seat 4: Santino1967 (1635)
Seat 5: sobahorse (3052)
Seat 6: calecton (3170)
Seat 7: paymybils (1895)
Seat 8: okog (2155)
Seat 9: wolves9 (3798)
Seat 10: whizzleb (3000)
Seat 2: _LOPUS_ (1255)
Seat 3: hashnshish (1635)
Santino1967 posts small blind (40)
sobahorse posts big blind (80)
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Dealing pocket cards
Dealing to Santino1967: ac ad
calecton folds
paymybils folds
okog folds
wolves9 folds
whizzleb raises 400 to 400
_LOPUS_ folds
hashnshish folds
Santino1967 raises 1595 to 1635 [all in]
sobahorse folds
whizzleb calls 1235
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--- Dealing flop 6d jc ts
--- Dealing turn jd
--- Dealing river ks
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Summary:
Main pot: 3350 won by whizzleb (3350)
Rake taken: $0
Seat 4: Santino1967 (0), net: -1635, ac ad (TWO_PAIR ACE, JACK)
Seat 5: sobahorse (2972), net: -80
Seat 6: calecton (3170)
Seat 7: paymybils (1895)
Seat 8: okog (2155)
Seat 9: wolves9 (3798)
Seat 10: whizzleb (4715), net: +1715, kd kh (FULL_HOUSE KING, JACK)
Seat 2: _LOPUS_ (1255)
Seat 3: hashnshish (1635)
***** End of hand T5-91549220-37 *****
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um thats poker?
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100% standard?
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1st hand would have re-raised 3 x the raise , if guy called would have gone all in on flop, if guy had gone all in over my raise standard call
As to 2nd hand well Mmmmm as was said THATS POKER
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Considered the re-raise on first hand but worried about 2 callers then SB shoving on flop if I missed. Was happier to play the players, get chips in, then see the 5 cards come down if either of them called my shove.
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Considered the re-raise on first hand but worried about 2 callers then SB shoving on flop if I missed. Was happier to play the players, get chips in, then see the 5 cards come down if either of them called my shove.
Problem with this is, it makes your hand pretty transparent. I always try to choose a similar bet-sizing with my entire range. By turning our hand face-up, we allow villain to play pretty perfectly.
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1st hand would have re-raised 3 x the raise , if guy called would have gone all in on flop, if guy had gone all in over my raise standard call
As to 2nd hand well Mmmmm as was said THATS POKER
Agree 100% with this play.
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2nd hand - there is no play going on. Just unlucky!
1st hand - even though im effectively putting my whole stack in, I"m making it 1k pre flop. If villain with the tens shoves then it"s a standard call but know I"m flipping at best. If I have to fold or feel I"m behind I stillnhave around 22-25bb left to find another spot
Had you just raised and got 2 callers I doubt the guy with 10 10 can continue in the hand safely. If you dont hot your ace, queen, flush or draw then you can take action then on possible info. I certainly won"t be open jamming on pre flop
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The 2nd hand is fine but don"t like the open shove pre-flop with just AQ against 2 players. Risking way too much to pick up not much. Don"t mind the re-raise but i"m making a standard re-raise if i do here. Also be happy to just call here and see a flop, after all you have a drawing hand and by calling you disguise the strength of your hand. You"re not risking your big stack and online if you hit the ace then there"s a nice chance of stacking someone with a smaller ace. Especially as they won"t expect you to have a big ace. I make a lot of these moves online and they often work out as people can"t fold aces once they hit. For me it"s between re-raising and flat calling. Never shoving here.
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Thanks everyone, all comments taken on board 8)
Reason i played hand 1 as I did was mainly because of the 2 players I was up against. By level 4 had a fair idea of dynamics and with amount of chips already in middle, stack sizes etc was happy to be up against the range of either player but not both. Didn"t want to flat call or standard re-raise because of position if I missed, particularly if both called the re-raise.
Cheers again for the input and advice, much appreciated.
Grant