Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Online Poker => Topic started by: DarthClubs on November 25, 2007, 23:57:03 PM
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Just wondering what ppl"s views were on this tourney.
I"ve just been knocked out in 779th place out of just shy of 19000.
I really enjoyed the game but found that once you got to the money,
(3000 got paid out) everyone stopped playing poker and it just became an all in fest.
Was sat on around 60000 chips for about an hour, the blinds were 500 / 1000 and gradually moved up to 2000 / 4000 but every single pot became a steal as ppl moved all in for around 20/30000.
You couldn"t play because you knew this so i felt i had to wait for a hand to make some chips.
Ended up pushing for my last 37000 chips when yet again the guy under the gun pushed all in pre flop with 48000.
I had pocket kings and he turned over 8 3 of hearts and made his flush with runner runner on turn and river.
Now i"m happy with my play but I was getting really really fustrated with the total lack of play at the table.
WHY CAN"T THESE PPL GET INTO BACKGAMMON OR SOMETHING lol
Thats it........ rant over.
Anyway....... just wondered if other ppl had played the tourney and what their views are.
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i"ve played it a few times and last sunday had my best result in it. 200th out of 17000.
It is actually listed in poker player magazines top turbo tourneys. It recognises that with 10 minute levels, it isn"t a proper turbo but the large field tends to make the decisions similar to the ones in a turbo.
I agree with you on it being a donkshoot but you can play properly to get in the money (3000 get paid normally). How much you get depends on a lot of luck. As for pushing all the time.... well the structure determines this strategy. The average stack after the money bubble is normally 12 - 15 BBs (or an M ratio of 6-7) so all in is the only move for most players. (Although UTG with 83s is not the best spot - maybe the blinds were about to go up?)
I do find the tourney fun but the real frustrating part is the stalling around the various bubble marks. You do get alot of people who are happy to let themselves get whittled down to 2 BBs and use alll their timebank in the hope of just creeping into the money and winning $18 in return for their $11 investment. This does slow the game down and probably contributes to the low BB average stack
I believe BSQ run $11 deepstack tourneys twice every fortnight. The standard of play is really good, even if the money rewards are not the greatest time investment. ;D
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83s - he was pretty sure had two live cards...
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So far i have played this 14 times and cashed 11 times.
3000 places paid means this isnt exactly the most difficult thing to do.
However I have yet to progress past the first level of the pay out structure!!!
grrrrr!!!
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a sold out 20000 for this last night. didn"t reg in time.
$200K for a $10 entry. now that is valooooo
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It"s not when your kings get busted by k4o, Rob :)
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It"s not when your kings get busted by k4o, Rob :)
nh wp gg
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i"ve played it a few times and last sunday had my best result in it. 200th out of 17000.
It is actually listed in poker player magazines top turbo tourneys. It recognises that with 10 minute levels, it isn"t a proper turbo but the large field tends to make the decisions similar to the ones in a turbo.
I agree with you on it being a duckshoot but you can play properly to get in the money (3000 get paid normally). How much you get depends on a lot of luck. As for pushing all the time.... well the structure determines this strategy. The average stack after the money bubble is normally 12 - 15 BBs (or an M ratio of 6-7) so all in is the only move for most players. (Although UTG with 83s is not the best spot - maybe the blinds were about to go up?)
I do find the tourney fun but the real frustrating part is the stalling around the various bubble marks. You do get alot of people who are happy to let themselves get whittled down to 2 BBs and use alll their timebank in the hope of just creeping into the money and winning $18 in return for their $11 investment. This does slow the game down and probably contributes to the low BB average stack
I believe BSQ run $11 deepstack tourneys twice every fortnight. The standard of play is really good, even if the money rewards are not the greatest time investment. ;D
FYP - ;D
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Came 66th this Sunday just gone- it is a shove fest but if you know what you"re doing and can assess people"s ranges you can go quite deep.
its like playing 1 long turbo sit and go.
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hi i came 184th in 1 of the sunday 100k 16786 players i think but the problem was my connection was going ape it had been fine until went in this comp.anybody else find that i was gutted it timed me out kept folding hands :as: ks, 9h 9s qh qc etc to name a couple and blinded me out i was gutted as to get that far mite have been a once in a long time chance..
but it does get a all in a hopw your best hand holds up though on stars thats not very often..
did hit lucky on 1 hand though my kd jd vs his kc ac
FLOP WAS 4h 8c kd
THEN CAME jh
jc
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wish i had never mentioned all my cashes a few weeks back. failed to cash every week since lol!!!
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played in this last night at the same time as the cardiff satellite. Came 171st out of 20000. This was a miracle as I suffered some horendous beats along the way. AA lost to 33 (made a straight), QQ lost to AJ (rivered A), QQ lost to K5sooooooooooted (made a straight), JJ lost to Q10 soooooooooooted (flopped a flush)
It was quite possibly a terrible idea playing an all in shove fest at the same time as the satellite. I"m sure it contributed to my decision to shove allin in the CO with J9o. I had 12000 and blinds were 1000/2000. Ran into AA in the button and out after 3 hours of near solid satellite poker in 14th for squat.
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Mdae 61st last night and although it was good fun, it"s not poker. The average stack has an M of less than 5 once you get in to the money a bit, everyone is in push or fold move, you just have to either hope you don"t get called or get lucky. There was one guy on my table who went from 5th with over 1m in chips to out in 3 straight hands, all of them he had ok hands in too, just crazyness.
That said, it"s been a handy tourney for a bit of cash to me. I was down to my last $5 in the account so the cash certainly came in handy :)
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Mdae 61st last night and although it was good fun, it"s not poker. The average stack has an M of less than 5 once you get in to the money a bit, everyone is in push or fold move, you just have to either hope you don"t get called or get lucky.
still learning...what is this M you mention?
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Cant remember what M exactly stands for, but I know what it means. It is the ratio of your stack to the total of blinds/antes posted.
e.g.1 stack = 3000 chips, blinds 10/20, your M is 100
e.g.2 stack = 3000 chips, blinds 100/200 with 25 ante on 8 player table, your M is 6
What is the point of knowing your M?
the size of your M determines what strategy you employ. With an M of 100 you are a fully functioning poker player, with numerous options in many situations. With an M of less than 5 that Cod quotes from this tourney, you have 2 options. Push or fold
For M"s between 5 and 100, work it out for yourself, I know I haven"t yet!
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Pretty good explanation swine.... ;D
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Pretty good explanation swine.... ;D
but.................??
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-ratio
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What time does this tournament start?
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8:30pm UK Time I think, or was it 8? It was around then anyway :D
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I"ll have a look at upcoming tournaments on PS around 7 to be on the safe side. :)
I"m not working on Monday so I thought I might give this tourney a bash.
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i came 6th in this comp about 6-7 months ago, and been playing it approx once every 2 weeks since, and no matter what i do i cant seem to cash in it anymore lol.
If you had 60k and got blinded down to 37k, i think that you need to look into your strategy in high blinded situations. If you have 37k and steal, you gain an extra 15% on your stack, gotta be worth doing surely? The most important point is that it is never about what hand you have, its about what hand they have. Its gotta be worth trying for the sake of $11?
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You can qualify for it for as little as $1 too :D
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If you had 60k and got blinded down to 37k, i think that you need to look into your strategy in high blinded situations. If you have 37k and steal, you gain an extra 15% on your stack, gotta be worth doing surely? The most important point is that it is never about what hand you have, its about what hand they have. Its gotta be worth trying for the sake of $11?
Whilst the extra chips are worth having, the trouble with this approach is that the extra 15% to your stack is still leaving you in a critical situation. When you steal the blinds, I"m assuming you"re doing it with any two pretty much now as you"re getting desperate? Well, why can"t you do that at 60k? The blinds will be slightly lower and you have a better chance of pushing someone off a hand. If you"re down at 37k, you stand a better chance of being called by a bigger stack or perhaps even the blinds as they may be getting the odds to call with any two.
This is one tourney you can"t afford to hang around for decent cards in. The blinds are just crazy in relation to the chip stacks in the later stages, you just need to get in first and hope for the best.
Obviously if you are lucky enough to pick up decent hands then it"s not a problem, but we don"t always get that lucky.
Just my POV :)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-ratio
great research!
when are effective M calculations really needed?
I know harrington mentions it for short handed tables, and I only really use it for 6 or 5 handed. If we are on stars do we multiply our basic M by 0.9? I dont bother tbh.
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so if the blinds were 50/100 and you had 150 chips would that be an M of 1 ? But if you had 600 chips that would be M&M which is sweet !!!
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8:30pm UK Time I think, or was it 8? It was around then anyway :D
More to the point, what time does it normally finish ... ? Or at least can someone tell me;
Approx what time it gets down to the payouts (1,200 players)?
Approx what time it gets down to the worthwhile payouts (200 players)?
I"m registered for tonight"s but don"t fancy a 4am stint (assuming I"m patient and good enough).
Thanks in advance.
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8:30pm UK Time I think, or was it 8? It was around then anyway :D
More to the point, what time does it normally finish ... ? Or at least can someone tell me;
Approx what time it gets down to the payouts (1,200 players)?
Approx what time it gets down to the worthwhile payouts (200 players)?
I"m registered for tonight"s but don"t fancy a 4am stint (assuming I"m patient and good enough).
Thanks in advance.
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about 2 hours to get to 3000 players (ITM)
about 4 - 5 hours to get into top 200.
never got further but it apparantly takes 8 - 9 hours to win, and it is definitely worth winning!
I"m having a stab tonight too. good luck!
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Thanks Swine. Look out for lukybugur. There"s only 19,100 so far so I should see you at some point ;D
It has been amusing watchin the rate folk sign up for this - about 5 per second. It"ll be funny too watchin how fast they fall ...
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WooHoo - doubled up first hand. 89o and flop comes 567 turn J, I push and get called by JTo. It"s as good as won!
rofl, the guy I took out on the first hand is the 83rd man out! ;D
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Out in 12,159th (55 mins in)
Top pair with top kicker and nut flush draw on flop called and beaten by BBs 34o (2 pair made on flop) :D
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You lasted about 45 minutes longer than me :D
I had an early mishap with a King kicker against an Ace kicker.
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I just won my seat in this Sunday"s Hundred Grand via a 10 man 70FPP satellite.
Harrington"s words working well so far ... ;)