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Poker Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: jaysdad on January 31, 2011, 19:02:57 PM
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what a farce i played this and am pretty disgusted to find out today that the player who won this event actually classes himself as a pro player who saya and this is a direct quote
"Basically, Im not pushing something i dont believe in. I paid to attend camp (more $$$ than ours fwiw) and saved up for flights etc and now I play professionally and live very comfortably from my earnings, which was always the aim of the game. "
i know im gonna get all the sore loser rants and replys but if you dont believe me then check out this link. your apat team event champion is firaldo87
http://www.thehendonmob.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38249&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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there was no restriction against Pro"s playing the team event (as far I know)
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to be fair i am probably out of line posting this without speaking to a apat rep 1st but im pretty fuming.
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=7828.0
check out the 2nd post from this thread i think it makes the winner ineligible to play, i just dont think its fair!
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The APAT UK Team Championship is a unique event in our calendar. Forums/Groups are invited to enter a team and the captain has an open selection to pick whomever they wish to, that will represent their forum/group.
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The APAT UK Team Championship is a unique event in our calendar. Teams are invited to enter a team and the captain has an open selection to pick whomever they wish to, that will represent their forum/group.
Damn...where did I put Phil Ivey"s number....gotta find that for next year if we"re gonna repeat?
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My understanding is that the team championships is an open event. Quality rant though lol
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This was just on Sky Sports News. They understand up to four people might have lose sleep over it!!
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This was just on Sky Sports News. They understand up to four people might have lose sleep over it!!
The LPM won"t...we pwn"ed them anyway. ;D
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Yes lets disqualify him and we get 2nd!!!!!!
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Yes lets disqualify him and we get 2nd!!!!!!
Due to the volcanic ash cloud, the pigs are unable to take off at this time
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November 11, 2010, 02:53:32 pm
November 11, 2010, 12:49:30 pm
Just wanted to check something.
This is the UK Team Championship, it isn"t the Amateur UK Team Championship - so am I right in assuming that professionals can play if they want to?
yes. Look forward to Messrs Channing, Persaud and the rest then!
;D
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Nice lad whatever the ramblings!
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November 11, 2010, 02:53:32 pm
November 11, 2010, 12:49:30 pm
Just wanted to check something.
This is the UK Team Championship, it isn"t the Amateur UK Team Championship - so am I right in assuming that professionals can play if they want to?
yes. Look forward to Messrs Channing, Persaud and the rest then!
;D
you dont even get the irony in his answer do you?
its an event organised by the Apat for the AmateurPAT so how can anybody justify a pro playing.
for the record i was on his table quite alot of the time and i thought he was a nice lad. then again so was Suriner Sunar when i was on his table in the IPO but that wasnt the AIPO.
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No irony in my answer. Uk team champs was an open event as in prior seasons
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The way APAT term "pro player" means that APAT is full of pro players playing regular live and online but I cannot understand why this would be a problem to anyone, don"t lose any sleep, get over it.
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November 11, 2010, 02:53:32 pm
November 11, 2010, 12:49:30 pm
Just wanted to check something.
This is the UK Team Championship, it isn"t the Amateur UK Team Championship - so am I right in assuming that professionals can play if they want to?
yes. Look forward to Messrs Channing, Persaud and the rest then!
;D
you dont even get the irony in his answer do you?
its an event organised by the Apat for the AmateurPAT so how can anybody justify a pro playing.
for the record i was on his table quite alot of the time and i thought he was a nice lad. then again so was Suriner Sunar when i was on his table in the IPO but that wasnt the AIPO.
Apat also held the Pro league for the AmateurPAT - should that not have had pro"s playing it?
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Damn, this invalidates the entire result. We can"t have that, Rich & Leigh, we needs to redo the whole thing next month please.
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November 11, 2010, 02:53:32 pm
November 11, 2010, 12:49:30 pm
Just wanted to check something.
This is the UK Team Championship, it isn"t the Amateur UK Team Championship - so am I right in assuming that professionals can play if they want to?
yes. Look forward to Messrs Channing, Persaud and the rest then!
;D
you dont even get the irony in his answer do you?
its an event organised by the Apat for the AmateurPAT so how can anybody justify a pro playing.
for the record i was on his table quite alot of the time and i thought he was a nice lad. then again so was Suriner Sunar when i was on his table in the IPO but that wasnt the AIPO.
Apat also held the Pro league for the AmateurPAT - should that not have had pro"s playing it?
i think the clue is in the word dont you?
all im saying with this thread is that i dont think its fair that a player who regards himself as "pro" should be able to play in an Amateur event.
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Nice lad whatever the ramblings!
100% agree. And he was sinking a fair few pints along the way.
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Damn, this invalidates the entire result. We can"t have that, Rich & Leigh, we needs to redo the whole thing next month please.
will i still be able to play?
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Jaysdad,
Tightend (Richard Prew - media director of APAT) and Chipaccrual (Leigh Wiltshire - eh the guy that does all Des's work) have both made it clear in this thread that pros are welcome to play this event. This has always been the case for this event.
The previous discussions you refer to are talking about all other events in the APAT calender (except of course the pro series)
Time to accept and move on IMO.
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November 11, 2010, 02:53:32 pm
November 11, 2010, 12:49:30 pm
Just wanted to check something.
This is the UK Team Championship, it isn"t the Amateur UK Team Championship - so am I right in assuming that professionals can play if they want to?
yes. Look forward to Messrs Channing, Persaud and the rest then!
;D
you dont even get the irony in his answer do you?
its an event organised by the Apat for the AmateurPAT so how can anybody justify a pro playing.
for the record i was on his table quite alot of the time and i thought he was a nice lad. then again so was Suriner Sunar when i was on his table in the IPO but that wasnt the AIPO.
Apat also held the Pro league for the AmateurPAT - should that not have had pro"s playing it?
i think the clue is in the word dont you?
all im saying with this thread is that i dont think its fair that a player who regards himself as "pro" should be able to play in an Amateur event.
sigh that"s what I was saying. You"re suggesting that it has to be an amateur event just because it"s organised by APAT.
I was demonstrating that APAT don"t only organise amateur events - so if APAT say it"s open and not an amateur event there"s absolutely no reason to argue otherwise.
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Jaysdad,
Tightend (Richard Prew - media director of APAT) and Chipaccrual (Leigh Wiltshire - eh the guy that does all Des's work) have both made it clear in this thread that pros are welcome to play this event. This has always been the case for this event.
The previous discussions you refer to are talking about all other events in the APAT calender (except of course the pro series)
Time to accept and move on IMO.
counts for nothing!
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Jaysdad,
Tightend (Richard Prew - media director of APAT) and Chipaccrual (Leigh Wiltshire - eh the guy that does all Des's work) have both made it clear in this thread that pros are welcome to play this event. This has always been the case for this event.
The previous discussions you refer to are talking about all other events in the APAT calender (except of course the pro series)
Time to accept and move on IMO.
counts for nothing!
OK, I was trying to be helpful, and I"m not one to start and argument, but please explain why would my opinion would not count?
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What counts for nothing. I organise apat"s live events and this was an open event. All players eligible. Jaysdad this is now the fourth time on this thread you have been told this
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What do you think of this play then, worthy of a pro? With about 25 left he raises with AJ, gets re raised by the CL, and pushes for his tournament life. CL shows pocket tens, and Niall ( i think thats his name) binks an ace. A lot of chat on the rails about this play, would you push for your life with AJ?
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Also TBH, bring "em on, its great to play against better players.
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Also TBH, bring "em on, its great to play against better players.
Amen!
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What do you think of this play then, worthy of a pro? With about 25 left he raises with AJ, gets re raised by the CL, and pushes for his tournament life. CL shows pocket tens, and Niall ( i think thats his name) binks an ace. A lot of chat on the rails about this play, would you push for your life with AJ?
I would ;D
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What do you think of this play then, worthy of a pro? With about 25 left he raises with AJ, gets re raised by the CL, and pushes for his tournament life. CL shows pocket tens, and Niall ( i think thats his name) binks an ace. A lot of chat on the rails about this play, would you push for your life with AJ?
Ask Stuart :D
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Dam, beat me to it
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What counts for nothing. I organise apat"s live events and this was an open event. All players eligible. Jaysdad this is now the fourth time on this thread you have been told this
Obviously my opinion counts for nothing all i did was express that i was angry about a "pro" winning what i think should be an Amateur event. im probably not the only one to think like this. but if nobody else posts that they agree with me then i guess im wrong and your all right. thinking im probably not gonna get picked for a team next year (hopefuly i will be a pro by then and "not" be eligble ;D)
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What counts for nothing. I organise apat"s live events.
Blatant brag post....maybe I"ll ban him.
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im probably not gonna get picked for a team next year (hopefuly i will be a pro by then and "not" be eligble ;D)
You haven"t grasped it yet have you...at the team event..pro"s can get picked.
Sigh
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What counts for nothing. I organise apat"s live events.
Blatant brag post....maybe I"ll ban him.
and it was done very very well and i commend you guys for this and next time i see tony kendal at Luton i will tell him so. maybe i could even get you all a pay rise.
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im probably not gonna get picked for a team next year (hopefuly i will be a pro by then and "not" be eligble ;D)
You haven"t grasped it yet have you...at the team event..pro"s can get picked.
Sigh
yeah i get it the smiley face was ment to give it away that im joking also im not good enough to be a pro and probably never will be!
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What counts for nothing. I organise apat"s live events and this was an open event. All players eligible. Jaysdad this is now the fourth time on this thread you have been told this
Obviously my opinion counts for nothing all i did was express that i was angry about a "pro" winning what i think should be an Amateur event. im probably not the only one to think like this. but if nobody else posts that they agree with me then i guess im wrong and your all right. thinking im probably not gonna get picked for a team next year (hopefuly i will be a pro by then and "not" be eligble ;D)
Everybody"s opinion counts, but I can"t really see why you"re angry. It was a team event with a small buy in and not exactly fortunes to be won, I think most of us played for the challenge and the fun of the event rather than anything else, and thats my opinion. ;)
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What counts for nothing. I organise apat"s live events.
Blatant brag post....maybe I"ll ban him.
and it was done very very well and i commend you guys for this and next time i see tony kendal at Luton i will tell him so. maybe i could even get you all a pay rise.
Name dropper.
My mate Phil Helmuth can take Tikay any day.
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What counts for nothing. I organise apat"s live events and this was an open event. All players eligible. Jaysdad this is now the fourth time on this thread you have been told this
Obviously my opinion counts for nothing all i did was express that i was angry about a "pro" winning what i think should be an Amateur event. im probably not the only one to think like this. but if nobody else posts that they agree with me then i guess im wrong and your all right. thinking im probably not gonna get picked for a team next year (hopefuly i will be a pro by then and "not" be eligble ;D)
Everybody"s opinion counts, but I can"t really see why you"re angry. It was a team event with a small buy in and not exactly fortunes to be won, I think most of us played for the challenge and the fun of the event rather than anything else, and thats my opinion. ;)
Niall played for the alcohol
There were 3 professionals in the original team that I picked for Black Belt, one decided he was going to play the GUKPT instead, one got picked by Neil Channing from the grading to play for Black Belt at the Aussie Millions (Sam Ravazi who finished 6th) - Niall was the only I got to keep and that was after he told me that he"d play the APAT event instead of the GUKPT if I could be guarantee there"d be plenty of opportunity for drinking. With the players and teams we have, that was a pretty easy promise to make. :D
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What were the chip stacks for the AJ hand?
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The OP had a perfectly valid question to ask, which has been answered.
Let"s not get into any sort of slanging match here.
And if you must start a slanging match, I don"t want to see any professional slangers posting. ;)
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And if you must start a slanging match, I don"t want to see any professional slangers posting. ;)
Erm...I hope you don"t mean me?
...but then I"ve been drinking out of the trophy!
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What counts for nothing. I organise apat"s live events and this was an open event. All players eligible. Jaysdad this is now the fourth time on this thread you have been told this
Obviously my opinion counts for nothing all i did was express that i was angry about a "pro" winning what i think should be an Amateur event. im probably not the only one to think like this. but if nobody else posts that they agree with me then i guess im wrong and your all right. thinking im probably not gonna get picked for a team next year (hopefuly i will be a pro by then and "not" be eligble ;D)
Everybody"s opinion counts, but I can"t really see why you"re angry. It was a team event with a small buy in and not exactly fortunes to be won, I think most of us played for the challenge and the fun of the event rather than anything else, and thats my opinion. ;)
Niall played for the alcohol
There were 3 professionals in the original team that I picked for Black Belt, one decided he was going to play the GUKPT instead, one got picked by Neil Channing from the grading to play for Black Belt at the Aussie Millions (Sam Ravazi who finished 6th) - Niall was the only I got to keep and that was after he told me that he"d play the APAT event instead of the GUKPT if I could be guarantee there"d be plenty of opportunity for drinking. With the players and teams we have, that was a pretty easy promise to make. :D
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What were the chip stacks for the AJ hand?
I think CL had about 220K and Niall had 120k ish, blinds maybe 3/6k but don"t quote me.
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The OP had a perfectly valid question to ask, which has been answered.
Let"s not get into any sort of slanging match here.
And if you must start a slanging match, I don"t want to see any professional slangers posting. ;)
From urban dictionary:
Slanger: A slanger is a cominbined noun, slut + banger, referring to one who bangs sluts, like Lou Ferigno.
I think we need an APAT definition of a professional slanger :o
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What do you think of this play then, worthy of a pro? With about 25 left he raises with AJ, gets re raised by the CL, and pushes for his tournament life. CL shows pocket tens, and Niall ( i think thats his name) binks an ace. A lot of chat on the rails about this play, would you push for your life with AJ?
Ha yes, have done many times :D AJ monster.
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What were the chip stacks for the AJ hand?
Andy Young (pocket tens) with a stack of about 250K called Niall"s (AJ) shove for about 100K
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The OP had a perfectly valid question to ask, which has been answered.
Let"s not get into any sort of slanging match here.
And if you must start a slanging match, I don"t want to see any professional slangers posting. ;)
From urban dictionary:
Slanger: A slanger is a cominbined noun, slut + banger, referring to one who bangs sluts, like Lou Ferigno.
I think we need an APAT definition of a professional slanger :o
From an OP complaining about an ineligible player to the incredible hulk banging sluts, in just three pages. That is some quality subject changing.
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What counts for nothing. I organise apat"s live events and this was an open event. All players eligible. Jaysdad this is now the fourth time on this thread you have been told this
Obviously my opinion counts for nothing all i did was express that i was angry about a "pro" winning what i think should be an Amateur event. im probably not the only one to think like this. but if nobody else posts that they agree with me then i guess im wrong and your all right. thinking im probably not gonna get picked for a team next year (hopefuly i will be a pro by then and "not" be eligble ;D)
Everybody"s opinion counts, but I can"t really see why you"re angry. It was a team event with a small buy in and not exactly fortunes to be won, I think most of us played for the challenge and the fun of the event rather than anything else, and thats my opinion. ;)
Niall played for the alcohol
There were 3 professionals in the original team that I picked for Black Belt, one decided he was going to play the GUKPT instead, one got picked by Neil Channing from the grading to play for Black Belt at the Aussie Millions (Sam Ravazi who finished 6th) - Niall was the only I got to keep and that was after he told me that he"d play the APAT event instead of the GUKPT if I could be guarantee there"d be plenty of opportunity for drinking. With the players and teams we have, that was a pretty easy promise to make. :D
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What were the chip stacks for the AJ hand?
I think CL had about 220K and Niall had 120k ish, blinds maybe 3/6k but don"t quote me.
I reckon it"s all about the re-shoving range. The chip leader folds a fair amount of his raising range to a re-shove, and most of the range he calls with you"re still only flipping; the part of the range he calls with when you"re crushed is small enough compared to the rest of his raising hand that it"s an unexploitable profitable reshove.*
*he didn"t mention this hand specifically but this explanation may be a little influenced with the strategy that Niall and a few others were talking about after the tournament was over**
** there"s no guarantee that I kept up with their analysis, so for all I know he might just have called because he fancied busting out and getting drunk :D
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From an OP complaining about an ineligible player to the incredible hulk banging sluts, in just three pages. That is some quality subject changing.
Thread drift is mandatory ;)
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From an OP complaining about an ineligible player to the incredible hulk banging sluts, in just three pages. That is some quality subject changing.
Thread drift is mandatory ;)
and getting a dig in about AJ is standard too
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I reckon it"s all about the re-shoving range. The chip leader folds a fair amount of his raising range to a re-shove, and most of the range he calls with you"re still only flipping; the part of the range he calls with when you"re crushed is small enough compared to the rest of his raising hand that it"s an unexploitable profitable reshove.*
*he didn"t mention this hand specifically but this explanation may be a little influenced with the strategy that Niall and a few others were talking about after the tournament was over**
** there"s no guarantee that I kept up with their analysis, so for all I know he might just have called because he fancied busting out and getting drunk :D
Thanks Jon...that puts the capper on it.
Frankly this discussion is over. The OP has his answer...whether he likes it or not.
Anything else is opinion and probably a subject for another time.
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I reckon it"s all about the re-shoving range. The chip leader folds a fair amount of his raising range to a re-shove, and most of the range he calls with you"re still only flipping; the part of the range he calls with when you"re crushed is small enough compared to the rest of his raising hand that it"s an unexploitable profitable reshove.*
*he didn"t mention this hand specifically but this explanation may be a little influenced with the strategy that Niall and a few others were talking about after the tournament was over**
** there"s no guarantee that I kept up with their analysis, so for all I know he might just have called because he fancied busting out and getting drunk :D
Thanks Jon...that puts the capper on it.
Frankly this discussion is over. The OP has his answer...whether he likes it or not.
Anything else is opinion and probably a subject for another time.
You always say that. Can"t we carry on? I had something about sandwiches I wanted to say.
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I reckon it"s all about the re-shoving range. The chip leader folds a fair amount of his raising range to a re-shove, and most of the range he calls with you"re still only flipping; the part of the range he calls with when you"re crushed is small enough compared to the rest of his raising hand that it"s an unexploitable profitable reshove.*
*he didn"t mention this hand specifically but this explanation may be a little influenced with the strategy that Niall and a few others were talking about after the tournament was over**
** there"s no guarantee that I kept up with their analysis, so for all I know he might just have called because he fancied busting out and getting drunk :D
Thanks Jon...that puts the capper on it.
Frankly this discussion is over. The OP has his answer...whether he likes it or not.
Anything else is opinion and probably a subject for another time.
if im honest paulieD gave me my answer just after i started the thread in a PM ive just been trying to have a giggle which ive managed. i think this is a decent thread lol
JonMW i think you know who i am and yes we were on the same team last year and i do think your a nice fella and im sorry about the lord of the rings comment in the thmf forum.
for those who dont know who i am im the player who returnd to day 2 with 5400 chips
i thank you all
and
goodnight
Jon (vice cpt of the hendon mob team.)
if you see me at another event please feel free to buy me a beer for keeping you entertained.
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You always say that. Can"t we carry on? I had something about sandwiches I wanted to say.
Hey, feel free..but can you give me a minute or two to get some popcorn done?
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You always say that. Can"t we carry on? I had something about sandwiches I wanted to say.
Hey, feel free..but can you give me a minute or two to get some popcorn done?
It doesn"t matter now I"ve forgotten.
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We could talk about the Beef Stroganoff?
At least we"d definitely all agree on that one
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We could talk about the Beef Stroganoff?
At least we"d definitely all agree on that one
it was beef?
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Also TBH, bring "em on, its great to play against better players.
Thanks
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Also TBH, bring "em on, its great to play against better players.
Thanks
Present company excepted of course.
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We had a pro on my table too... It just so happened that the night before, I took him out of the in-house G Bolton tournament in 6th place. Never knew then who he was but read up since that he has been a pro for 3 years.. We had a pro in our team last year, and he did not do very well tbh, lol. It was all part of the rules. They mke a good target for us amateurs, or was that amatuers for the Elite team LOL
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What do you think of this play then, worthy of a pro? With about 25 left he raises with AJ, gets re raised by the CL, and pushes for his tournament life. CL shows pocket tens, and Niall ( i think thats his name) binks an ace. A lot of chat on the rails about this play, would you push for your life with AJ?
seems reasonably standard, no?
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What do you think of this play then, worthy of a pro? With about 25 left he raises with AJ, gets re raised by the CL, and pushes for his tournament life. CL shows pocket tens, and Niall ( i think thats his name) binks an ace. A lot of chat on the rails about this play, would you push for your life with AJ?
Firstly Mikey, you"re a braver man than I to take on second guessing any play this guy makes. He is truly a top top player.
After the tourney I was lucky to sit and have a couple of drinks with Niall ( "The Pro" ), JohnMW and Richard Hinds. We talked a lot of poker, as you do and tbf Niall is on a different level when it comes to understanding the game. My head still hurts after some of the analysis. :-[
What you miss about the AJ spot is the history between the two players and specifically "The Pros" image and resultant perceived range.
If "The Pro" is raising 40% (likely conservative) 44+,A2s+,K2s+,Q4s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,A2o+,K7o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T9o then the CL"r can and should 3bet at least 20% 66+,A4s+,K8s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo.
Versus that 3bet range AJ has 55% equity and 4b shoving will show a profit for sure. I"m quite sure there are huge psychological implications to the play also. ie. "You might be chipleader but I"m the boss at this table so you"d be well advised to stay out of my way!"
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What you miss about the AJ spot is the history between the two players and specifically "The Pros" image and resultant perceived range.
If "The Pro" is raising 40% (likely conservative) 44+,A2s+,K2s+,Q4s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,A2o+,K7o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T9o then the CL"r can and should 3bet at least 20% 66+,A4s+,K8s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo.
Versus that 3bet range AJ has 55% equity and 4b shoving will show a profit for sure. I"m quite sure there are huge psychological implications to the play also. ie. "You might be chipleader but I"m the boss at this table so you"d be well advised to stay out of my way!"
I"m not sure this could have been explained any better by anyone. Excellent post IMO.
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Quality post Brendan.
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What do you think of this play then, worthy of a pro? With about 25 left he raises with AJ, gets re raised by the CL, and pushes for his tournament life. CL shows pocket tens, and Niall ( i think thats his name) binks an ace. A lot of chat on the rails about this play, would you push for your life with AJ?
Firstly Mikey, you"re a braver man than I to take on second guessing any play this guy makes. He is truly a top top player.
After the tourney I was lucky to sit and have a couple of drinks with Niall ( "The Pro" ), JohnMW and Richard Hinds. We talked a lot of poker, as you do and tbf Niall is on a different level when it comes to understanding the game. My head still hurts after some of the analysis. :-[
What you miss about the AJ spot is the history between the two players and specifically "The Pros" image and resultant perceived range.
If "The Pro" is raising 40% (likely conservative) 44+,A2s+,K2s+,Q4s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,A2o+,K7o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T9o then the CL"r can and should 3bet at least 20% 66+,A4s+,K8s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo.
Versus that 3bet range AJ has 55% equity and 4b shoving will show a profit for sure. I"m quite sure there are huge psychological implications to the play also. ie. "You might be chipleader but I"m the boss at this table so you"d be well advised to stay out of my way!"
An excellent analysis. There is of course an additional dimension to the specific hand in question. As the player involved as we"ve established was A) a pro and B) pissed, it"s possible there may have been less depth to his thought process. Given the buy-in was probably significantly less than his usual stakes and the good natured atmosphere of the event I calculate a 71.8% probability he thought all that stuff you just said and a 28.2% likelihood he simply cried BANZAI - the suicide scream of the Japanese zero pilots and pushed his chips into the middle.
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Quality thread ;D I hope our Aussie Millions final-tablist ? makes it to our next team game in Star City lol, not sure if they will be happy with someone who just won 1/4 million Aussie $$$$$$ playing lol
Actually pretty sure they would not give a hoot , it"s all about the whole weekend experience after all.
Railing from afar I was amazed how Niall stormed through the last twenty, as it became clear that he had to win the lot for the team to have a decent chance of 2nd or 3rd.
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What do you think of this play then, worthy of a pro? With about 25 left he raises with AJ, gets re raised by the CL, and pushes for his tournament life. CL shows pocket tens, and Niall ( i think thats his name) binks an ace. A lot of chat on the rails about this play, would you push for your life with AJ?
Firstly Mikey, you"re a braver man than I to take on second guessing any play this guy makes. He is truly a top top player.
After the tourney I was lucky to sit and have a couple of drinks with Niall ( "The Pro" ), JohnMW and Richard Hinds. We talked a lot of poker, as you do and tbf Niall is on a different level when it comes to understanding the game. My head still hurts after some of the analysis. :-[
What you miss about the AJ spot is the history between the two players and specifically "The Pros" image and resultant perceived range.
If "The Pro" is raising 40% (likely conservative) 44+,A2s+,K2s+,Q4s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,A2o+,K7o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T9o then the CL"r can and should 3bet at least 20% 66+,A4s+,K8s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo.
Versus that 3bet range AJ has 55% equity and 4b shoving will show a profit for sure. I"m quite sure there are huge psychological implications to the play also. ie. "You might be chipleader but I"m the boss at this table so you"d be well advised to stay out of my way!"
Good answer!
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Being a nice lad is a definite edge to be exploited. People are much happier to see a nice lad pocketing their money than a hardened nut. All future APAT events should be open to pros, but only the ones who are nice lads.
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:-\ lol
Firstly thanks again to everyone involved in the running/organising of the tourney. It was a fantastic weekend and the atmosphere was top notch with everyone being really friendly and always up for a pint!
I think the "drama" has been covered - we were told it was ok for me to play and i think that has been echoed in the thread. If i wasnt allowed to play i wouldnt have been there and tbh Im not travelling down from glasgow to play a £50 buyin event because of any "edge" i may or may not have, im travelling down to meet some of the UK poker community and to drink as much as possible! I think everyone I was at the table with will be able to confirm either a) I was extremely drunk (day 1) or b) I was barely conscious and almost missed the start (day 2)!
In regards to the AJ hand, I"ll give a quick runthrough lol
Basically id been raising almost every hand upto this point, I opened the cutoff with like 125k ish and the gentleman on my left reraised me. Id already decided he was good and he had enough chips to put pressure on me as i was opening really wide. If im raisng T4s there but folding as high as AJ then a good player is basically free to reraise me with old kent road and the red 1 from uno as his holdings and make a profit. So that being said, i wagered all of my discs and was actually really surpised to get called, and that he was as strong as TT. Its definitely a really unlucky spot for him that i had AJ as im shoving much much worse and i obviously won the flip as Im a huge luckbox.
Anyway, I had a fantastic weekend, some of the craic had me in stitches the day after when i remembered it lol, and I"ll defintiely be back next year if Im still allowed!
Thanks again
Niall
Oh and +1 on that grey mess of a lunch, It was awful
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Niall is a nice guy i was just ranting yesterday and had 7.5 hours sleep since 8am friday and i was being a dick. as i stated in threads here and on the THMF i thought you was a nice enough fella and to be fair if it wasnt pointed out to me i wouldnt have known who you were.
if i bump into you in the futre the 1st cpl of pints (that you clearly enjoy) are on me and i hope this redeems me a little for being a twat.
also a big appology to anybody (all of you) who thought i may have been a cock.
I do hope it isnt held against me for any future APAT events if i ever attend.
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Can vouch for Niall"s zombie state on Sunday. Bolton seems to have a shortage of wheelchair taxis. Anyone who"s got to play a day two but sticks round the casino to help push Iron back to his hotel at 8am on a Sunday morning is tops in my book. Not sure of yer mate"s name as I"m still a bit blurry (shocker...lol), but big thanks to the pair of ya!
Oh yeah..and well done on winning the event ya fish! lol :D
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If im raisng T4s there but folding as high as AJ then a good player is basically free to reraise me with old kent road and the red 1 from uno as his holdings and make a profit.
I don"t think re-raising with Old Kent Road and the red 1 from Uno is +ev against an aggresive player. If i"m re-raising light i"m looking for at least Whitechapel Road and Mr Bun the Baker.
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Niall is a nice guy i was just ranting yesterday and had 7.5 hours sleep since 8am friday and i was being a dick. as i stated in threads here and on the THMF i thought you was a nice enough fella and to be fair if it wasnt pointed out to me i wouldnt have known who you were.
if i bump into you in the futre the 1st cpl of pints (that you clearly enjoy) are on me and i hope this redeems me a little for being a twat.
also a big appology to anybody (all of you) who thought i may have been a cock.
I do hope it isnt held against me for any future APAT events if i ever attend.
Funniest APAT apology ever !! :D
And nice explanation of the AJ hand, Andy will be delighted you thought he was " Good" LOL
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Being a nice lad is a definite edge to be exploited. People are much happier to see a nice lad pocketing their money than a hardened nut. All future APAT events should be open to pros, but only the ones who are nice lads.
You"re a nice lad too John............... But so obviously not a pro! ;D
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I know OP has apologised and everyone is friends again but if I was posting words such as "disgusted" and was feeling wound up, it would surely have been aimed at the buffet.
I can eat anything (seriously) but that "beef stew type whatever it was" beat me. I got it in my mouth but could not physically chew it, break it down or swallow it.
Have the RSPCA been informed??
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I know OP has apologised and everyone is friends again but if I was posting words such as "disgusted" and was feeling wound up, it would surely have been aimed at the buffet.
I can eat anything (seriously) but that "beef stew type whatever it was" beat me. I got it in my mouth but could not physically chew it, break it down or swallow it.
Have the RSPCA been informed??
I had two plates ;D the second one being one of the many left discarded around the place!
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I know OP has apologised and everyone is friends again but if I was posting words such as "disgusted" and was feeling wound up, it would surely have been aimed at the buffet.
I can eat anything (seriously) but that "beef stew type whatever it was" beat me. I got it in my mouth but could not physically chew it, break it down or swallow it.
Have the RSPCA been informed??
I had two plates ;D the second one being one of the many left discarded around the place!
Perhaps I should have had a skinful as well then.
Wp Jack
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I know OP has apologised and everyone is friends again but if I was posting words such as "disgusted" and was feeling wound up, it would surely have been aimed at the buffet.
I can eat anything (seriously) but that "beef stew type whatever it was" beat me. I got it in my mouth but could not physically chew it, break it down or swallow it.
Have the RSPCA been informed??
Really was the worst ever, I had to spit out the only mouthful I tried!! Potatoes and gravy for the win!
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I continued to complain about the beef while I ate every bit on my plate....it was rank tho!
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Shoulda gone for the overcooked pasta Lads. Chewing wasn"t even required for that one.
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Shoulda gone for the overcooked pasta Lads. Chewing wasn"t even required for that one.
LOL this makes me smile :)
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Shoulda gone for the overcooked pasta Lads. Chewing wasn"t even required for that one.
What about the dirty salad?
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Shoulda gone for the overcooked pasta Lads. Chewing wasn"t even required for that one.
What about the dirty salad?
Not entirely sure it was dirty. Just know I was told to use my hands when I asked where the serving utensil was! lol Sigh. Good thing I"d a clean (we hope) fork to get some of it and am pretty sure most had swerved the salad up to that point.
Also a good thing they served drink. Amazing how little bothers a person with regard to food after enough cocktails.
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Shoulda gone for the overcooked pasta Lads. Chewing wasn"t even required for that one.
What about the dirty salad?
Not entirely sure it was dirty. Just know I was told to use my hands when I asked where the serving utensil was! lol Sigh. Good thing I"d a clean (we hope) fork to get some of it and am pretty sure most had swerved the salad up to that point.
Also a good thing they served drink. Amazing how little bothers a person with regard to food after enough cocktails.
lol it was the second sitting!
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Shoulda gone for the overcooked pasta Lads. Chewing wasn"t even required for that one.
What about the dirty salad?
Not entirely sure it was dirty. Just know I was told to use my hands when I asked where the serving utensil was! lol Sigh. Good thing I"d a clean (we hope) fork to get some of it and am pretty sure most had swerved the salad up to that point.
Also a good thing they served drink. Amazing how little bothers a person with regard to food after enough cocktails.
lol it was the second sitting!
I was 3rd in the queue for the first sitting and I opted for the veggie lasagne - all in all I ran good for buffet
As good as you could get at least.
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i thought they changed what apat stood for at the beginning of season to include the work proffesional
as for niaal dont get him to push you up any steep dropped kerbs without back up i **** myself
untill the back up arrived
and dont let his mate richard navigate
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i thought they changed what apat stood for at the beginning of season to include the work proffesional
as for niaal dont get him to push you up any steep dropped kerbs without back up i **** myself
untill the back up arrived
and dont let his mate richard navigate
To be fair yer twice his size ffs!! lol Was never gonna be easy. :D
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i thought they changed what apat stood for at the beginning of season to include the work proffesional
as for niaal dont get him to push you up any steep dropped kerbs without back up i **** myself
untill the back up arrived
and dont let his mate richard navigate
To be fair yer twice his size ffs!! lol Was never gonna be easy. :D
fair comment