Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: thinsy147 on March 04, 2011, 17:23:35 PM
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I"ve never really bothered with cash games online too much, but recently started playing some micro stakes just for a bit of fun and to see how my game holds up.
At such small stakes I"m playing a lot of hands, limping where I can then either getting lucky, bullying or folding depending on my position. When I do get a hand I make sure I get well paid if anyone does call. I"m not too worried about how right or wrong my tactics/game is but would just like to get some replies to the following questions:
- Do you sit down to the table with the maximum buy-in allowed?
- Would you sit down at a table with some big stacks already there or steer clear and pick a table with fairly average/level stacks?
- Do you tend to go with a plan to play for a certain amount of time/hands or do you aim to double up/treble up then get out?
- Finally, if you are happy to reveal what level you tend to play it will give me an insight to peoples "goals" at different levels play
Thanks in advance to those who reply!
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1 - I always sit down for the max.
2 - I prefer tables where eveyone is prety much even.
3 - I normally set a period of play before taking a break, then start another session.
4 - 0.10/0.20 0.25/0.50 & the occasional 0.50/1.00
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1. Always the maximum - anything else means potential lost value when you have a monster.
2. Tend to avoid the big stacks - often a sign that they are running or playing well, and I don"t need to sit at their tables and contribute.
3. Tend to play to a time window. Would never leave a table cos I had trebled up - if running or playing well, why leave?
4. 50NL Holdem or 25PLO
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Only started in Jan
1- Always buy in with 100BB
2- Stack sizes dont bother me I just try to adapt my play to this.
3- I aim to play 400 hands per session which takes around 2 hours @5 full ring tables
4- 10NL (100BB @ 0.05c/0.10c)
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Cheers guy"s.
One reason I asked this is because the other day I was running ok. Had bought in for my maximum of $4 :o (2c/4c) and had planned to play for a length of time... Before I had reached this time i had reached a whopping $14.62 :P
Because I had such a big stack it seemed that players where happy to shove on me to try a quick double up. Two players shoved on me and I called because I felt I was ahead (and was) both sucked out on me and I lost virtually all but my buy-in!! Both of these players immediately left the table so I had no way of winning it back!
Is there a point where you can have too much at the table?
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you can only have too much if others at the table are also deep and you are not confident playing>300bb deep (say), especially of those players are decent and/or have positiuon on you
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So, my bad beat of a 3 outer and a 2 outer within 4/5 hands of each other was just REALLY unlucky and I should carry on as I am? Cheers for all replies ;)
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Reasons to leave a table....
- There are no soft spots and a softer table is available
- A good aggro reg on your left is making it tough for you to enter pots
- You are playing poorly
- Tilt**
- You have reached the end of your optimum session time
**Tilt comes in many subtle forms and you must pay attention and strive to understand and recognise your own personal signals when they are telling you its time to stop playing.
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Reasons to leave a table....
- There are no soft spots and a softer table is available
- A good aggro reg on your left is making it tough for you to enter pots
- You are playing poorly
- Tilt**
- You have reached the end of your optimum session time
**Tilt comes in many subtle forms and you must pay attention and strive to understand and recognise your own personal signals when they are telling you its time to stop playing.
Agree.
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Cheers guy"s.
One reason I asked this is because the other day I was running ok. Had bought in for my maximum of $4 :o (2c/4c) and had planned to play for a length of time... Before I had reached this time i had reached a whopping $14.62 :P
Because I had such a big stack it seemed that players where happy to shove on me to try a quick double up. Two players shoved on me and I called because I felt I was ahead (and was) both sucked out on me and I lost virtually all but my buy-in!! Both of these players immediately left the table so I had no way of winning it back!
Is there a point where you can have too much at the table?
I was told only last night to leave the table and rebuy back in at the max buy in cuz i was a big stack vs everyone else and it wasn"t fair!!
This was on FT on 5/10nl.
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I"ve just had the same thing happen today:
I"ve sat down to play for about 90 minutes... Doubled up in the first half hour, got upto about 2 1/2 times my buy-in, then spent 45 minutes trying to make something happen!! Ended up losing all but my original buy-in by shoving with QQ v AK and an Ace was flopped :(
Is it wrong to risk upto 60% of your stack by shoving when you are sure your ahead?
or am I just looking at being an unlucky player?
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Always buy in for the max, and only play on tables where everyone is sitting with 100-200 bbs. Usually play 9 handed. If im playing 6 max and there is 2 players with less than 50bbs then i leave. If there are deepstack tables that are active then i usually like to play on these.
I have lots of notes on people who stack off light etc, and its easy to scroll through lobby and search for these players. Also look for russians and italians because they are likely gonna be fishy. I avoid tables where there are several reg winning players. (for some reason there is lots of new russian players recently/ they like going all in for 100bbs with any pair and any Ace)
i leave a table or a whole session if i loose more than 4 buyins. In the past i have gone on major tilt and lost more than 10 max buyins just because of a couple of coolers or bad beats, this is not good. And i think i have cut out that tilt problem now.
Mostly play 10-25c recently but in the past as i have grinded 50c-$1. Cash games i find are much tougher now than just 2 years ago.
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you"ve got to learn what/how the difference between normal 100bb stacks and deep stack play is...
so look to learn as much as u can about implied and reverse implied odds as this concept becomes more significant when playing deep, non nutted hands like bottom set with small pairs are mostly correct to get all in with at 100bb but at 200bb 300bb and beyond then this is where implied and reverse implied odds comes into play..
coolers at 100bb are far different to deeper stack play coolers, hands that can make nut flushes, nut straights, bigger pairs that make higher sets become way more valuable, on the flipside small pairs, non nut flushes, low pair sets and low straights lose value cos of larger reverse implied odds...
look/learn at how fold equity works when deeper, hmmm the list goes on :)....
break your game down, learn all the fundamentals, play less tables, favour learning over volume, as u learn and apply [correctly] the profits will come naturally as u get better...
start a thread/blog etc and ask the APATers about what in there opinion are the key concepts and fundamentals that u should learn and know inside out to be able to beat micros and beyond..........
if ur playing on stars, FT or party [or use hem] then import your cash sessions to here - http://www.cardrunners.com/pokertools/handconverter
start a thread and get some feedback from the APATers... [other replay sites are available]
the above are just suggestions, reading a book like ""the poker blueprint"" , get a coach, join deucescracked/cardrunners may help also etc etc...
in a nutshell, put a lot of bloody hard graft in and u"ll get better........
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Good post Noble, i was reading review of the "poker blue print" the other night. Probably gonna get it when iv digested "let their be range"
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Always buy-in/top up to the max and don"t even think about playing cash games unless you"re prepared to invest in tracking software
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how come monkeyman???
i agree that tracker softwear helps, but durrrr, OMGclay and a whole bunch of others who started in the lowstakes have said that they have never used a HUD. Do you base it on the fact that the games are tougher now than 5 yrs ago?
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how come monkeyman???
i agree that tracker softwear helps, but durrrr, OMGclay and a whole bunch of others who started in the lowstakes have said that they have never used a HUD. Do you base it on the fact that the games are tougher now than 5 yrs ago?
It"s not true to say don"t even think about playing them unless you are prepared to buy tracking software.
Realistically why would you not use it. It aids multi-tabling a lot and lets you see what players are 3-betting light and what their raising range is to allow you to optimally play your hand against their range. You can find weak players easily without really needing to watch the table.
Overall I would say if you use a site that allows tracking software then you should be using it.
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Rule 1 Always leave a table if you have more cash than the remainder added together
Rule 2 Definately get a HUD it will assist you more than watching the type of opposition your up against and the ranges and styles
Yes the games are getting harder even the sharks are playing 10/20 c, and 25/50c.
As already stated find the Russians, lovely loose and aggresive and will call with F.All
Greeks are also good food
Happy hunting
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I"ve never really bothered with cash games online too much, but recently started playing some micro stakes just for a bit of fun and to see how my game holds up.
At such small stakes I"m playing a lot of hands, limping where I can then either getting lucky, bullying or folding depending on my position. When I do get a hand I make sure I get well paid if anyone does call. I"m not too worried about how right or wrong my tactics/game is but would just like to get some replies to the following questions:
- Do you sit down to the table with the maximum buy-in allowed?
- Would you sit down at a table with some big stacks already there or steer clear and pick a table with fairly average/level stacks?
- Do you tend to go with a plan to play for a certain amount of time/hands or do you aim to double up/treble up then get out?
- Finally, if you are happy to reveal what level you tend to play it will give me an insight to peoples "goals" at different levels play
Thanks in advance to those who reply!
Just to add to my earlier post
1) Always sit with the max buyin, but there is nothing wrong with leaving if you get deep stacked and there are other equally deep stacked players at the table and finding a new table and buying in for 100BB. In a lot of cases this is good bankroll management
2) If you have bought in for 100BB and everybody has near too or at least that big stacks don"t make any difference to you unless you recognize them as strong players
3) Go in and play for a certain amount of time. I usually multi table for 90 minutes then take a 30 minute break.
4) 10p/20p and 15p/30p on Sky Poker - small player base and beatable regs. No tracking software though
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If you buy-in for the max and double up for example on 888poker, you can move to another table with the same chips.
You are not allowed to immediately join the new table with a reduced amount of chips even if it is the original max buy-in amount.