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Poker Forum => Online Archive => Online Poker => National Online League => Topic started by: TheSnapper on March 21, 2011, 16:11:49 PM
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All Ireland joint team ftw... ;D
Just saw this ( I"m a bit slow :-[)
and this, Doh!
There are currently 4 players signed up for Belfast. Can we request a merge?
Leigh, can you please take a look at this as an option. A merge of Dublin and Belfast Clubs (both get 6-10 runners on average) will replace two less than competitive teams with one genuine contender. I suspect this will keep some players in the league that we have a significant chance of loosing.
Take a look at the paltry activity......
HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=8233.0)
and
HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=8238.0)
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All Ireland joint team ftw... ;D
Just saw this ( I"m a bit slow :-[)
Leigh, can you please take a look at this as an option. A merge of Dublin and Belfast Clubs (both get 6-10 runners on average) will replace two less than competitive teams with one genuine contender. I suspect this will keep some players in the league that we have a significant chance of loosing.
Take a look at the paltry activity......
HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=8233.0)
and
HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=8238.0)
God knows I"d be up for that!
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Anyone else up for this or are we three musketeers on our own here?
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There have been grumblings from a few I have talked to about playing in Belfast team that we wnt be competitive enough, so could be a great way to allow us to compete. Without combining, I think numbers will drop on both sides which I really dnt want to see happen. Fingers crossed.
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Belfast and Dublin are two distinct clubs, with two large catchment areas to recruit new members alongside their existing APAT members.
We won"t be merging them together.
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Fair enough. Just to point out tho, Belfast is the one catchment area where poker is illegal in all the leagues. This greatly reduces both the player pool, and the opportunities to increase the player pool. I would be surprised to get 5 runners a game.
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Now thats not fair but then again nither is a hedgehog its very prickly
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Fair enough. Just to point out tho, Belfast is the one catchment area where poker is illegal in all the leagues. This greatly reduces both the player pool, and the opportunities to increase the player pool. I would be surprised to get 5 runners a game.
im 1
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Belfast and Dublin are two distinct clubs, with two large catchment areas to recruit new members alongside their existing APAT members.
We won"t be merging them together.
With the greatest respect Leigh, this is a really disappointing decision . The numbers dont lie and the facts disagree totally, there are very few Apat"ers in both "catchment areas". Currently we have Ireland and Northern Ireland team A & B Captains trying to assemble teams for The Home International Championship, I suspect those Captains are struggling to fill their four team seats.
When compared to the recently sanctioned merger this seems a supremely inequitable ruling tbh.
Dublin team 1 member (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=8233.0)
Belfast team 9 members (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=8238.0)
I suspect Dublin team will die a death this Season and Belfast may well follow. From a personal point of view, regretably I will not be making a commitment to the Dublin team for Season 5. I have no interest in simply making up the numbers with no possibility for being remotely competitive.
Hissy over :P
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Unfortunately down in my neck of the woods they have live poker every night of the week as is the case in most parts of Ireland. They have no notion of sitting in home playing online when they can play in the pub...and many think I"m mad for doing it. God knows I"ve tried, but they like their pints.
Ah well. Not in any form for a debate, so whatever. Can only make the posts and hope they turn up.
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If it was the fact that Belfast or Dublin had very few poker players, or had another club right on their doorstep, then it would be a different matter, but neither is the case.
Yes it may be tough to get players to play online, but the league is about giving players an introduction to APAT games and allow them to get involved with the community side of things. Getting to know players local to them, who they then may meet at live events.
I appreciate all the efforts that the captains make to get players to play, which in turn makes there team more competitive in the league, and am aware that it is not always easy to motivate players on a Sunday night.
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If it was the fact that Belfast or Dublin had very few poker players, or had another club right on their doorstep, then it would be a different matter, but neither is the case.
Yes it may be tough to get players to play online, but the league is about giving players an introduction to APAT games and allow them to get involved with the community side of things. Getting to know players local to them, who they then may meet at live events.
I appreciate all the efforts that the captains make to get players to play, which in turn makes there team more competitive in the league, and am aware that it is not always easy to motivate players on a Sunday night.
Apat Brand does not sell as effectively outside GB.
Hopefully I"m wrong about the future prospects for Team Dublin, if not, be prepared for pointed reminders.
(http://xolomo.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/rip.jpg)
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Seems harsh.
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Just speak to Waz he recruits from all over the world! ;)
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Without being argumentative in any way, I am on team Brendan here. I think both teams will struggle. Having said that, I know both captains are doing all they can to recruit new members. Unfortunately, there is just not the same scope here (metaphorical here as I live in London atm) as there is in England. Hoping to be proved wrong, but both teams will struggle to recruit individually when the allure of the UKIPT seats is going to be out of reach. Just have to try and get player of the season obv...
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Belfast are currently building a team for this league. With a little under two weeks till the first game we currently have 11 players signed up. As captain I expect that number to continue to climb towards 20 and beyond. Any talk about "paltry activity" and talk of Team Belfast not having a hope of competing is disappointing to me, and hinders my ability to attract new players to our team. To me taking part and team spirit is half the fun, not the winning.
With regards to a merge Im not against the idea on principle, but with Dublin having so few players, it doesnt look like an attractive proposition.
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Belfast are currently building a team for this league. With a little under two weeks till the first game we currently have 11 players signed up. As captain I expect that number to continue to climb towards 20 and beyond. Any talk about "paltry activity" and talk of Team Belfast not having a hope of competing is disappointing to me, and hinders my ability to attract new players to our team. To me taking part and team spirit is half the fun, not the winning.
With regards to a merge Im not against the idea on principle, but with Dublin having so few players, it doesnt look like an attractive proposition.
Leigh likes this, more than you can imagine. :D
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With regards to a merge Im not against the idea on principle, but with Dublin having so few players, it doesnt look like an attractive proposition.
I"m sure the Dublin team would disagree.
To me taking part and team spirit is half the fun, not the winning.
This is a v good attitude, but not one that will be shared by potential recruits. I know we will not have some excellent players playing for us, who did in S3 that will not play as they feel that they cannot compete for the seats. I will play every week I can regardless, but just because the team spirit and taking part is a draw for current APAT members, it will not go far as to bringing new ones in.
That said, I would love to hit 20+ for Belfast. I have been searching for other NI/Belfast poker forums and will continue to do so, but options are limited for places to get new players. Fingers crossed it works out as u imagine it will!!
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Belfast are currently building a team for this league. With a little under two weeks till the first game we currently have 11 players signed up. As captain I expect that number to continue to climb towards 20 and beyond. Any talk about "paltry activity" and talk of Team Belfast not having a hope of competing is disappointing to me, and hinders my ability to attract new players to our team. To me taking part and team spirit is half the fun, not the winning.
With regards to a merge Im not against the idea on principle, but with Dublin having so few players, it doesnt look like an attractive proposition.
Leigh likes this, more than you can imagine. :D
This simple statement speaks volumes Leigh.
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Belfast are currently building a team for this league. With a little under two weeks till the first game we currently have 11 players signed up. As captain I expect that number to continue to climb towards 20 and beyond. Any talk about "paltry activity" and talk of Team Belfast not having a hope of competing is disappointing to me, and hinders my ability to attract new players to our team. To me taking part and team spirit is half the fun, not the winning.
With regards to a merge Im not against the idea on principle, but with Dublin having so few players, it doesnt look like an attractive proposition.
Time will be the Judge Colin :)
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As I said im not against the idea in principle. If the Dublin team had more support from its players it would certainly be a more attractive proposition. As things stand I see a team of one.
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Ah now...that"s not entirely true. So far we"ve 3 signed up for this year. ;D
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Ah now...that"s not entirely true. So far we"ve 3 signed up for this year. ;D
Apologies Dawn. I took the information from Brendan"s post, confirmed by the Dublin Current Team Sheet. Get your finger out and update that list. ;-)
BTW congrats on your Ladbrokes success. :)
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Ah now...that"s not entirely true. So far we"ve 3 signed up for this year. ;D
Apologies Dawn. I took the information from Brendan"s post, confirmed by the Dublin Current Team Sheet. Get your finger out and update that list. ;-)
BTW congrats on your Ladbrokes success. :)
Cheers! Will get on the updates this evening - once the lil feckers round here stop telling me how that success is going to be spent.
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Don"t suppose you"d reconsider now Brendan? Ah go on, go on, go on. Ya know it makes sense. :D
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Don"t suppose you"d reconsider now Brendan? Ah go on, go on, go on. Ya know it makes sense. :D
Do you know, I was just thinking this when I saw the table last night. Great start to the campaign Dawn.
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Don"t suppose you"d reconsider now Brendan? Ah go on, go on, go on. Ya know it makes sense. :D
Do you know, I was just thinking this when I saw the table last night. Great start to the campaign Dawn.
Kind of puts an end to the super team v little underdog team having not a cat in hells chance type argument, doesn"t it ? ;D
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Don"t suppose you"d reconsider now Brendan? Ah go on, go on, go on. Ya know it makes sense. :D
Do you know, I was just thinking this when I saw the table last night. Great start to the campaign Dawn.
Kind of puts an end to the super team v little underdog team having not a cat in hells chance type argument, doesn"t it ? ;D
Early stages, but I would have to agree it"s appearing to be a bit more balanced than some had thought.
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Don"t suppose you"d reconsider now Brendan? Ah go on, go on, go on. Ya know it makes sense. :D
Do you know, I was just thinking this when I saw the table last night. Great start to the campaign Dawn.
Kind of puts an end to the super team v little underdog team having not a cat in hells chance type argument, doesn"t it ? ;D
Early stages, but I would have to agree it"s appearing to be a bit more balanced than some had thought.
Very early stages and we"re still stuffed as far as "numbers" go with only 6 on the team...but we"re a determined lot. :)
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Don"t suppose you"d reconsider now Brendan? Ah go on, go on, go on. Ya know it makes sense. :D
Fair play Dawn, Thx for the invite much appreciated and speaks volumes for you as Captain. :)
I have been following the league results thus far and especially the Dublin team. Delighted to see the great start you guys have made and really hope you can continue that form throughout the league.
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Early stages, but I would have to agree it"s appearing to be a bit more balanced than some had thought.
| Team | Players |
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| Carlisle | 11 |
| Dublin | 6 |
| Dundee | 4 |
| Glasgow | 14 |
| Kent | 15 |
| Leeds | 20 |
| London | 13 |
| Manchester | 2 |
| Newcastle | 5 |
| Plymouth | 3 |
| Sheffield | 5 |
| Swansea | 8 |
Balanced ?
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Leeds had 12/71 in week 1 and 14/69 in week 2.
I think these stats are more relevant, not sure if you can get them for the other teams though.
Will be interested to see how it all works out.
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Dublin had 6/71 week 1 and 5/69 week 2. Only for us being wee terriers (and possibly getting hit in the face by the deck :D ) we were deffo outnumbered by a country mile.
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Dublin had 6/71 week 1 and 5/69 week 2. Only for us being wee terriers (and possibly getting hit in the face by the deck :D ) we were deffo outnumbered by a country mile.
Dublin ran good and played well Dawn - really enjoyed railing the FT.
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Leeds had 12/71 in week 1 and 14/69 in week 2.
I think these stats are more relevant, not sure if you can get them for the other teams though.
Will be interested to see how it all works out.
7 for in us both weeks Stuart , but suppose its only relevent if they score points we had 2 point scorers first week and 1 second
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Dublin had 6/71 week 1 and 5/69 week 2. Only for us being wee terriers (and possibly getting hit in the face by the deck :D ) we were deffo outnumbered by a country mile.
Agree with Staurt , Dawn great work both weeks ,
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Sorry, I should have clarified my use of the word "balanced".
I meant that the scoring system appears to be helping to balance out the perceived advantage that teams with larger numbers have.
There"s no disputing that some teams have signed up more players than others. With 70 playing each week in Div 2, then an average number of players for each team should be around 6-7.
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Sorry, I should have clarified my use of the word "balanced".
I meant that the scoring system appears to be helping to balance out the perceived advantage that teams with larger numbers have.
There"s no disputing that some teams have signed up more players than others. With 70 playing each week in Div 2, then an average number of players for each team should be around 6-7.
usually when someone tells me 6-7 is "average" I don"t feel pleased, but in this case I do. ;D
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Sorry, I should have clarified my use of the word "balanced".
I meant that the scoring system appears to be helping to balance out the perceived advantage that teams with larger numbers have.
There"s no disputing that some teams have signed up more players than others. With 70 playing each week in Div 2, then an average number of players for each team should be around 6-7.
usually when someone tells me 6-7 is "average" I don"t feel pleased, but in this case I do. ;D
For the purpose of the Balance argument, do you guys really believe that the average number of players is relevent ?