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Poker Forum => Strategy => Topic started by: jlane1980 on March 26, 2011, 19:13:37 PM
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Hi,
It"s been a while since i"ve posted, but after what i believe to be a huge cooler, i thought i"d try and work out if i"ve played this wrong?
Bearing in mind i had been playing for 6 hours, after i lost and got KO"ed there was, as you can imagine, a fair bit of swearing from me!
Essentially, should i have raised more PF??
Full Tilt Poker Game #29363071484: Super Stack $10K Guarantee (228095733), Table 1 - 1400/2800 Ante 350 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:02:00 UTC - 2011/03/26 [15:02:00 ET - 2011/03/26]
Seat 2: cattivic72 (119,379)
Seat 3: Trillium1990 (67,030)
Seat 4: adri3131 (105,440)
Seat 5: Alarum (211,444)
Seat 6: HalvorD (75,732)
Seat 7: jlane1980 (106,928)
Seat 8: Logic Pro User (173,451)
Seat 9: riverproof (45,819)
cattivic72 antes 350
Trillium1990 antes 350
adri3131 antes 350
Alarum antes 350
HalvorD antes 350
jlane1980 antes 350
Logic Pro User antes 350
riverproof antes 350
riverproof posts the small blind of 1,400
cattivic72 posts the big blind of 2,800
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jlane1980 [Ah As]
Trillium1990 folds
adri3131 folds
Alarum folds
HalvorD folds
jlane1980 raises to 5,600
Logic Pro User has 15 seconds left to act
Logic Pro User folds
riverproof folds
cattivic72 calls 2,800
*** FLOP *** [4s Jc 3d]
cattivic72 bets 5,600
jlane1980 raises to 14,000
cattivic72 raises to 113,429, and is all in
jlane1980 calls 86,978, and is all in
cattivic72 shows [Js 3s]
jlane1980 shows [Ah As]
Uncalled bet of 12,451 returned to cattivic72
*** TURN *** [4s Jc 3d] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [4s Jc 3d 8c] [Qc]
cattivic72 shows two pair, Jacks and Threes
jlane1980 shows a pair of Aces
cattivic72 wins the pot (217,356) with two pair, Jacks and Threes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 217,356 | Rake 0
Board: [4s Jc 3d 8c Qc]
Seat 2: cattivic72 (big blind) showed [Js 3s] and won (217,356) with two pair, Jacks and Threes
Seat 3: Trillium1990 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: adri3131 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Alarum folded before the Flop
Seat 6: HalvorD folded before the Flop
Seat 7: jlane1980 showed [Ah As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 8: Logic Pro User (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: riverproof (small blind) folded before the Flop
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Well obviously having posted the outcome, we"re all going to say yes you should have raised more pre. But you are obviously wanting action, and as such the min raise into a well stacked BB is going to get called, so you got what you wanted. He gets mega lucky, and hits big time, but what are you putting him on when he pushes over your re raise, do you think he is pushing with just one pair?
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fold pre imo
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Calling or raising flop both fine. Folding isn"t
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Well obviously having posted the outcome, we"re all going to say yes you should have raised more pre. But you are obviously wanting action, and as such the min raise into a well stacked BB is going to get called, so you got what you wanted. He gets mega lucky, and hits big time, but what are you putting him on when he pushes over your re raise, do you think he is pushing with just one pair?
QFT
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With the antes as big as they are i"m raising bigger here pre-flop. He"s calling with anything to a min-raise as he"s getting such huge odds. As to calling the shove, depends on what he"s played like previously and also the buy-in. There are certainly hands people will shove with in lower buy-in tournaments that you"re beating. 5-6, AJ, KJ. But without any knowledge about the player it"s hard to say much about his range.
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Im not the best online player in the world, but I think i would raise to 6k [5.6k is fine though] can"t really fold flop i dont think dwell call unless super read =]
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Im not the best online player in the world, but I think i would raise to 6k [5.6k is fine though] can"t really fold flop i dont think dwell call unless super read =]
raising more only reduces the chance of calls from inferior hands, or 3 bets . both of which you welcome with open arms.
I do however probable check back such a dry flop, and if he gets super aggro on turn just call, allowing him to donk bluff, also probable not getting the pot so big, and re-assess river.
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after reading the post above i prefer the line of calling the flop as you will get more money from Mr Cattvic if he has top pair or continues bluffing.
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i 100% just flat the flop raise without gameflow/dynamics present such that i think villain will either a) get it in ridic light against me b) overplays hands c) has seen me bluffing taking this kind of line. we rep pretty strong with our line. if we just flat the flop raise we keep villains entire check raising range in and coming over the top like this just erases everyone of his bluffs. i think barring one of the above factors i would just flat and evaluate the turn card for the most part im going to call 100% of turns and most likely river unless something crazy happens and i really think im beat
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I just make my usual raise from that pos if this is what you did that"s fine . Fwiw my raise would av been 3.5 bb at this stage.
I"m not going AI there with 1 pair as played I call the cr then see what turn brings.
I think your oppo played this v poor. Proper high risk do donkaments.
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Don"t minraise.
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Don"t minraise.
Why?
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Don"t minraise.
Why?
It"s weak and gives more marginal hands better odds to tag along. Minraising is always really fishy. Make it a standard 2.25-2.5x open.
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Don"t minraise.
Why?
It"s weak and gives more marginal hands better odds to tag along. Minraising is always really fishy. Make it a standard 2.25-2.5x open.
nope not really
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Min raising/re raising is horrible in virtually any situation. Very Fishy and only poor players I see doing it
I see it all the time and it"s alway the worst players that do it. They have no inception of pot size or what your bet means. Saying that it can be used to your advantage. Many a time I"ve bet (example) 400 into a 900 pot with an open ended straight draw or flush draw against certain opponents knowing that they"ll only min raise me with a top pair type hand or flat call a medium pair or hit the board.
And when I have a strong hand and re raise I always bet more as I like to think if they call a min raise they"ll call a 2.5 > 3.5x raise to get value
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i spose if you only ever open hands for value and never steal then raising bigger is better. But that is just plain boring
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The biggest online players min raise pre I imagine they"re quite profitable too.
Run better imo
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Min raising/re raising is horrible in virtually any situation.
Against weak tight blinds who fold often, min raising from co & btn is compulsory and super profitable.
Very Fishy and only poor players I see doing it
Flawed thinking imho.
The biggest online players min raise pre I imagine they"re quite profitable too.
+1
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Yeah - I know I posted a lot, but it"s in there - near the end.
It is not a question of 3x-ing or 3.5x-ing, or min-raising, or anything else. The point being that we should bet as much as we think we can get a call with when we have a strong hand, and as little as we think our opponent will fold for when we want a fold.
Sorry to bury it in the full post, but I thought the rest was valuable so included it too.