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Title: I would have hit the...
Post by: kinboshi on December 30, 2007, 21:30:07 PM
...no you wouldn"t.

In live poker, when you fold a hand and then see a flop, you know if you"d have hit the board with your hand.  It doesn"t actually matter if your 75o would have flopped a full house if you"d called the BB"s all-in push with KK, you were right to fold.  You can of course thing "if only...", but that would be results-orientated thinking.

Online however, it"s not the case.  The random number generator used to "shuffle" the cards and determine the next card to be dealt is constantly "shuffling".  So once the hole cards are dealt, the rest of the "pack" is still being shuffled (it"s a lot more complex than this, but the analogy stands) and so if you"re last to act and you take 5 seconds over your decision the flop will be different to if you take 10 seconds.  Of course, it doesn"t matter as they are both unknowns to you - they"re random (or as random as is possible - basically, they"re unpredictable which amounts to the same thing).  Once the flop comes down, the shuffling continues, as it does after the turn.

So when you fold your 75o online, and the flop comes 775 - you can"t think "if only I"d called" - because if you had called it wouldn"t have been the same flop (of course it might have been - but it could have been any variation of the remaining cards). 

I just thought I"d mention this, as I think there are a lot of online players who weren"t aware that this is how the cards are "shuffled". 

Happy New Year by the way ;D.
Title: Re: I would have hit the...
Post by: HaworthBantam on December 30, 2007, 22:35:37 PM

You"re repeating yourself Daniel, you, we, all of us, covered this in a thread many months ago - you got a bet on as to when you"re going to hit 1,200 posts ?   :D
Title: Re: I would have hit the...
Post by: kinboshi on December 30, 2007, 22:39:34 PM
No one reads the old stuff.  So I thought it deserved a thread all to itself.

I had a "I can"t believe I folded an 8" on an 88T board in the last APAT event - so obviously not everyone has read it ;D.

I reckon fairly early in the New Year for my 1,200th post.  Before I get the beers you owe me.

Title: Re: I would have hit the...
Post by: HaworthBantam on December 30, 2007, 22:42:18 PM

I"ll buy you the beers at the European, unless we arrange an unofficial APAT social at DTD beforehand  :D
Title: Re: I would have hit the...
Post by: kinboshi on December 30, 2007, 22:44:32 PM


I"ll buy you the beers at the European, unless we arrange an unofficial APAT social at DTD beforehand  :D


Now you"re assuming we both qualify!
Title: Re: I would have hit the...
Post by: HaworthBantam on December 30, 2007, 22:49:50 PM

Caz and I will attempt the direct buy in via the clickfest - I don"t do the online qualifiers, and I don"t believe that there will be any Regional qualifiers for the European.

Anyway, apologies, I"ve hijacked your thread.......
Title: Re: I would have hit the...
Post by: kinboshi on December 30, 2007, 22:56:29 PM
It"s OK - I have others...
Title: Re: I would have hit the...
Post by: Jon MW on December 30, 2007, 23:21:41 PM

It"s OK - I have others...


:D :D :D
Title: Re: I would have hit the...
Post by: Jon MW on December 30, 2007, 23:22:45 PM
Ooh! Can I re-hijack the thread with some very exciting news then?!
Title: Re: I would have hit the...
Post by: kinboshi on December 30, 2007, 23:39:10 PM

Ooh! Can I re-hijack the thread with some very exciting news then?!


Are you pregnant, or did you fold KK pre-flop?
Title: Re: I would have hit the...
Post by: Jon MW on December 30, 2007, 23:42:02 PM
No.

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I"ve just sent an email to Des.

More than that, I"m not at liberty to divulge.

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But an announcement should be soon.
Title: Re: I would have hit the...
Post by: Jon MW on December 30, 2007, 23:42:46 PM

...

But an announcement should be soon.


:D

no matter how many times that happens - it still makes me laugh
Title: Re: I would have hit the...
Post by: kinboshi on December 30, 2007, 23:56:51 PM


...

But an announcement should be soon.


:D

no matter how many times that happens - it still makes me laugh


Like when he says he"ll be buying the drinks...
Title: Re: I would have hit the...
Post by: HaworthBantam on December 31, 2007, 08:29:32 AM

An APAT secret that will be divulged imminently ?

So, that"ll be another 7 days then........?  :D