Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Online Poker => Topic started by: cooste on January 02, 2008, 18:41:45 PM
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Have we had a change to the format for this event? I only ask as we only seem to have 4000 in chips, instead of the usual 5000.
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Yes, we are going to test a slightly reduced format to see what it does for timings. 4,000 chips and 12 minute blinds.
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Is there a problem with timing?
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Is there a problem with timing?
I agree i did not see a problem with it before?
A quote comes into my mind "If it is not broke dont try and fix it"
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There have been loads of posts about this and a whole thread dedicated to it somewhere on here.
The issue is a £5 tournament finishing at 1am on a school-night, and the fact that after 4 hours play, you might only win £10 for your efforts.
Some people were advocating reducing the clock, reducing the chip stacks and also the possibility of increasing the buy-in.
I guess that the new chip stacks are a test, and it"s not really a painful test. I"ll be out within the hour anyway...
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With such a lack of confidence Daniel it"s fitting that you"re the only one to mention being on negative points on other threads ... :D
I think the time issue was keeping some players from playing the Thursday Online Events and I for one welcome this trial in the hope that tonight"s event will finish around midnight - an acceptable bed time even for those who rail when we go out. As the earlier starting time of 7pm was objected to more on the other posts, APAT are showing here that they"re willing to listen to and accommodate their members.
With starting blinds of 10/20, there"s still plenty of the deep-stack play we"ve come to know and love APAT for :)
Now if only I can last longer than Kinboshi / yappari ...
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Now if only I can last longer than Kinboshi / yappari ...
Register. Sit out. Job done.
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rofl ;D ;D ;D
and considering it ...
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I came 261 out 2400 in an Omaha freeroll last weekend.
And that was because I forgot I had registered. ;D
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There have been loads of posts about this and a whole thread dedicated to it somewhere on here.
The issue is a £5 tournament finishing at 1am on a school-night, and the fact that after 4 hours play, you might only win £10 for your efforts.
Some people were advocating reducing the clock, reducing the chip stacks and also the possibility of increasing the buy-in.
I guess that the new chip stacks are a test, and it"s not really a painful test. I"ll be out within the hour anyway...
Still taking the 11 plus are we?
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Just one fact though. So far this season Thursday nights have attracted bigger fields on average than Saturdays, so the school night argument doesn"t hold up.
Not sure why the numbers have fallen, from over 200 at the start of the season, but pleased that Apat are at least trying something different to find a format that will encourage a bigger turnout.
I also predict that I will have my best online result of the year tonight. ( you have been warned)
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well here"s hoping i for one do better than my last online attempt,
anyway good luck and see u on the tables again
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Plenty of play left and I do get the argument for shortening the timescale. Time will tell.
In the meantime lets look at the positive, APAT is there providing a platform for us and is showing a willingness to respond to criticisms, surley that can only bode well for all concerned.
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I was happy with previous format but am willing to give this a try.
Who knows,it might be better :)
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There have been loads of posts about this and a whole thread dedicated to it somewhere on here.
The issue is a £5 tournament finishing at 1am on a school-night, and the fact that after 4 hours play, you might only win £10 for your efforts.
Some people were advocating reducing the clock, reducing the chip stacks and also the possibility of increasing the buy-in.
I guess that the new chip stacks are a test, and it"s not really a painful test. I"ll be out within the hour anyway...
Still taking the 11 plus are we?
Showing your age there gramps!! 11 plus - that"s something my Dad told me about.
;D
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Im very tired, but playing, probs donk my chips off in the 1st half hour lol.
Good luck every1 enjoy :)
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Well I"ve already had a problem with 2 pair beaten by 2 pair, and I narrowly avoided a mishap with top 2 pair against trips.
So the omens aren"t looking good.
If only we had more chips to start with these things wouldn"t be so damaging ;)
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Well I"ve already had a problem with 2 pair beaten by 2 pair, and I narrowly avoided a mishap with top 2 pair against trips.
So the omens aren"t looking good.
If only we had more chips to start with these things wouldn"t be so damaging ;)
A very good point, and one you should put to Des.
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Well I"ve already had a problem with 2 pair beaten by 2 pair, and I narrowly avoided a mishap with top 2 pair against trips.
So the omens aren"t looking good.
If only we had more chips to start with these things wouldn"t be so damaging ;)
A very good point, and one you should put to Des.
Just pulling a figure out of the air. How about a 5000 starting stack. ;)
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Well I"ve already had a problem with 2 pair beaten by 2 pair, and I narrowly avoided a mishap with top 2 pair against trips.
So the omens aren"t looking good.
If only we had more chips to start with these things wouldn"t be so damaging ;)
A very good point, and one you should put to Des.
Just pulling a figure out of the air. How about a 5000 starting stack. ;)
Sounds about right :D
Although I think I"ve just been bluffed off a big pot - so on second thoughts, it probably wouldn"t make a difference, I"d just end up given them to someone with top pair anyway.
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A few less chips is OK... don"t like the "Turbo" levels though.
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After the "bad luck" abated I reverted to just playing badly.
I"m quite proud of my timing that I managed to knock myself out on the last hand before the first break though.
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After the "bad luck" abated I reverted to just playing badly.
I"m quite proud of my timing that I managed to knock myself out on the last hand before the first break though.
First in line for buffet
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After the "bad luck" abated I reverted to just playing badly.
I"m quite proud of my timing that I managed to knock myself out on the last hand before the first break though.
First in line for buffet
:D I"m practicing for the next live National I play in.
It wasn"t like I was reckless, much.
But I was sure the button was trying to steal my big blind, he wasn"t.
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Out in 82nd place. New format was fine,unlike my poker :"(
First day back at works to blame ;)
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Why can"t we have more APAT Razz events?
I thought I"d try and make my buy in back for this tournament playing $1/$2 cash Razz (on a different site, but it still "balances the books").
I made $16.75 profit - in 6 minutes :D :D :D
If the question ever comes up about including more variants in the APAT championship, remember, Vote RAZZ. 8)
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You ever played in a big Razz tournament Jon?
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You ever played in a big Razz tournament Jon?
With anyone we might have heard of, or seen on TV?
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Smaller starting stacks, shorter blinds.....we"re not heading toward turbo tourney"s are we........I guess we could get a couple in per night ;D
Vote no for short blinds
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You ever played in a big Razz tournament Jon?
With anyone we might have heard of, or seen on TV?
I don"t like to talk about it, I"m very reserved like that.
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Smaller starting stacks, shorter blinds.....we"re not heading toward turbo tourney"s are we........I guess we could get a couple in per night ;D
Vote no for short blinds
As for that - 4k starting stacks, put the blind levels back to what they were?
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Snyder"s formula again:
Chips Minutes Pateince Factor Skill Level
5,000 15 17.42 6
4,000 15 15.19 6
3,000 15 12.79 6
5,000 12 12.68 6
4,000 12 11.15 5
3,000 12 09.38 4
5,000 10 09.84 4
4,000 10 08.59 4
3,000 10 07.24 3
I reckon 4,000 with 15 minute blinds could be the answer, possibly? Even 3,000 starting stack would provide a more "skillful" tournament.
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Agreed. 12 mins is too short, but the 4000 stating stack is ok
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ageed, change needed but not both
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Snyder"s formula again:
Chips Minutes Pateince Factor Skill Level
5,000 15 17.42 6
4,000 15 15.19 6
3,000 15 12.79 6
5,000 12 12.68 6
4,000 12 11.15 5[/u]
3,000 12 09.38 4
5,000 10 09.84 4
4,000 10 08.59 4
3,000 10 07.24 3
I reckon 4,000 with 15 minute blinds could be the answer, possibly? Even 3,000 starting stack would provide a more "skillful" tournament.
This will be why I"m still in then!!! 8)
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Just to say the 4000 starting chips seems a lot better for a school night and I don"t think the reduction had any adverse affect. That said I would have liked to have been up a little bit longer.
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Snyder"s formula again:
Chips Minutes Pateince Factor Skill Level
5,000 15 17.42 6
4,000 15 15.19 6
3,000 15 12.79 6
5,000 12 12.68 6
4,000 12 11.15 5[/u]
3,000 12 09.38 4
5,000 10 09.84 4
4,000 10 08.59 4
3,000 10 07.24 3
I reckon 4,000 with 15 minute blinds could be the answer, possibly? Even 3,000 starting stack would provide a more "skillful" tournament.
This will be why I"m still in then!!! 8)
This will be why I"m still in then!!! 8)
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Nice result Alan, see u in Cardiff ;) ( I think)
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Anyone got the results to post - screenshot of top 10 or 20?
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;D
The 12 min blinds and 4000 chips last night was just about right, I for one have to be up at 6am and 2400 to 0100 finish is too late for me, went out 23rd to pay da rakes jh js 7h 7s against kh ks but at 2240 just about right!!!!!
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Well it finished at about midnight... after "a lot of luck & bad calls" I made the final 3 with over half of the chips... and finished 3rd! :-\
Had a bit of (bad) "luck", in my quest for Silver - to make the full set - when getting it in with the best hand (for once) and losing... very next hand it was all over.
1st StuartHopkin
2nd (Not sure, I"ll check PT)
3rd TheNewRio
As always, better to be lucky than good.
Alan
PS. My vote would still be for 3000 & 15 min blinds. It would still finish between midnight and 1.00am but with a bit more play early on.
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I finished 2nd, dont mind the format, played a few of the Pokerstars tourneys last season, they were worse. Didnt mind starting stacks or blind levels. This is the first one i have played so far in season 2. When do the rankings get published (need to know how far behind i am). Well done all - Ul Newrio, it was looking like u and Stuart 1 - 2, there seemed to be a relucatance for you two to get involved whilst i was short stacked. Catch u all on Sunday.
John
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The rankings are currently up to date up to the 15th December.
The next update will be shortly after we receive the data from Blue Square - there"s no guarantee how long that will be though.
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where are the rankings, I cant find any?
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At the moment the overall and the online are here http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?board=26.0 (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?board=26.0)
But a message to Des: If you"re going to create an Online Rankings child board - could you move my rankings post there please? ;D
EDIT: Thank you Des.
The online rankings are now here: http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?board=28.0 (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?board=28.0)
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Just to get a bit of debate going with regards to the on-line series structure.
Personally I thought the blind levels were too short last night (12 mins) but ok with the 4000 starting stack. I get up at 5.15am for work and would rather have a late night with a few hours sleep, once a fortnight, than play yet another crapshoot tourney. Surely this is one of the reason Apat has been so successful, promoting decent structures with a low buy-in.
Please give your feedback on this, for or against, as the guys at the top do listen.
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Just to get a bit of debate going with regards to the on-line series structure.
Personally I thought the blind levels were too short last night (12 mins) but ok with the 4000 starting stack. I get up at 5.15am for work and would rather have a late night with a few hours sleep, once a fortnight, than play yet another crapshoot tourney. Surely this is one of the reason Apat has been so successful, promoting decent structures with a low buy-in.
Please give your feedback on this, for or against, as the guys at the top do listen.
Agreed. In the absence of antes on BlueSQ, the best solution appears to be 4,000 chips and 15 minute blinds (IMHO).
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As usual was late arriving for last nights tourney, and lost the plot when my pair of kings got beat on the turn, and didn"t last much longer... next hand actually! But I agree with Dan, the slow structure that we are used to is a welcome change to other on line tourneys, so lets go with 15 min blinds.
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By necessity there will be 12 min blinds for the event tomorrow evening (essentially too late to change now), but keep the debate going and changes can be made. I think a midnight finish was good though.
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I think the starting stack and blind levels were fine I dont know what your all moaning about????????
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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??? ??? ???
I don"t mind how its done, but what"s wrong with a 2000 start and a 2359 finish at the latest. 12 min / 15 mins / 3500 chips / 4000 chips, there is not much difference, its NOT 3min blinds / 1000 chips.
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Just to get a bit of debate going with regards to the on-line series structure.
Personally I thought the blind levels were too short last night (12 mins) but ok with the 4000 starting stack. I get up at 5.15am for work and would rather have a late night with a few hours sleep, once a fortnight, than play yet another crapshoot tourney. Surely this is one of the reason Apat has been so successful, promoting decent structures with a low buy-in.
Please give your feedback on this, for or against, as the guys at the top do listen.
having not played that many games online maybe i shouldnt comment ,but will anyway , i felt the same 4,000 ok but blinds were a little quick seemed to go up very quickly ,
mind u maybe the fact i folded more than i played due to poor cards lol never got involved till later at bigger blinds
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I played a few events last season and my first game this year was in just before Christmas where we had 5,000 chips and 15 min blinds which I thought was a good format. The change for the last two tournaments was I think too much. The All In madness as I call it on each hand seemed to start about 30 to 40 minutes earlier which negates the possibility of any creative play during this period.
The problem is of course that we have one game on a Thursday and one at a weekend. I guess that many people have work on Friday mornings so wouldn"t really want a real late game which is why changes were proposed but is the rationale valid for a Saturday? I don"t know about everyone else but whether it finisheds at midnight or 2am doesn"t really matter so much to me on a Saturday whereas midnight is where I would like to finish in the week.
So there you have it I"m an awkward bu@@er who wants the best of both worlds!
For my money I would prefer to have 15 minute blinds so it is just a case of getting the right chips to go with it. It seems to make sense to give 4,000 a try as this would be a half way house between the original set up and the latest couple of games and then see how it goes.
:)
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Have to agree with the 15mins and 4000chip mob.
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Have to agree with the 15mins and 4000chip mob.
12 Minutes on Thur - 15 Minutes on Saturday...