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Poker Forum => Live Poker => Topic started by: shug on September 13, 2011, 20:24:54 PM
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Seen a few comments about travelling recently and been on the disappointing end of travel difficulties myself. I recognise that a large number of APAT members are within easy access of a number of Southern/Midland venues. Could I suggest that venues near to major airport be considered for national championships. I am disappointed that Luton is hosting the team competition this year as it is a easily accessible from Scottish airports. I am not criticising, as I respect the great job that is done for us, just passing an observation for consideration for next years programme.
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I find travelling to Scotland/Wales/Ireland/Newcastle/Blackpool a pain....could we hold all of next years events in Luton or DTD please?
At the very least could we hold them in cities with train stations...oh, wait!
Sorry Shug! ;D
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I find travelling to Scotland/Wales/Ireland/Newcastle/Blackpool a pain....could we hold all of next years events in Luton or DTD please?
At the very least could we hold them in cities with train stations...oh, wait!
Sorry Shug! ;D
not a very positive response , to what is a valid point , having just spent two weeks trying to figure an affordable way to get to cork from scotland , i agree with shug and all he asking for is some consideration in the planning of next years events
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Love the Wales venues - then again I live in Wales and none of the others venues are remotely close! And Vegas - what with that it"s a whole different continent...... Wait, I"m going Vegas and very excited. 9 weeks and counting.
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I find travelling to Scotland/Wales/Ireland/Newcastle/Blackpool a pain....could we hold all of next years events in Luton or DTD please?
At the very least could we hold them in cities with train stations...oh, wait!
Sorry Shug! ;D
not a very positive response , to what is a valid point , having just spent two weeks trying to figure an affordable way to get to cork from scotland , i agree with shug and all he asking for is some consideration in the planning of next years events
My response was meant to be tongue in cheek but I do think Shug is being a little unrealistic even if I"d love to see him more often at APAT events.
The complexities of finding appropriately sized venues who are both capable and willing to host an APAT event tend to mandate the locations rather than the ease of getting there although that does, of course, factor in.
As far as I know, with the exception of Cork, nearly all of the events this year (and in the past) have been close to air and rail links....and even Cork is not inaccessible.
Perhaps these weren"t convenient for travel from Scotland but them we"re limiting ourselves to London and Central England anyway if that"s an over-riding factor.
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I think the main issue is finding suitable venues to hold them rather than any plan to make a good geographical spread.
I don"t know how many APATers live that way, but I wouldn"t mind a trip to Cornwall or Devon for an APAT tournament for example, I don"t think any have been held down there at all yet.
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I don"t know how many APATers live that way, but I wouldn"t mind a trip to Cornwall or Devon for an APAT tournament for example, I don"t think any have been held down there at all yet.
I"d be up for that but I don"t know of any venue capable of holding say 150 players (let alone willing to do so) in that area*....and that, as you know Jon, is the issue at hand.
BTW....Despite the success of Glasgow this year it"s often a close run thing whether we even hold the Scottish National in Scotland at all...but Des insists (picky innit).
*If anyone does, PM me and I"ll pass it on.
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I don"t know how many APATers live that way, but I wouldn"t mind a trip to Cornwall or Devon for an APAT tournament for example, I don"t think any have been held down there at all yet.
BTW....Despite the success of Glasgow this year it"s often a close run thing whether we even hold the Scottish National in Scotland at all...but Des insists (picky innit).
well was this not the first year it was in Glasgow , and there was this talk before it even went ahead about not having a scottish leg next year, glad to see we proved it a worthwhile event.
Out of interest where would you propose to have the SCOTTISH national . Cork?
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I don"t know how many APATers live that way, but I wouldn"t mind a trip to Cornwall or Devon for an APAT tournament for example, I don"t think any have been held down there at all yet.
I"d be up for that but I don"t know of any venue capable of holding say 150 players (let alone willing to do so) in that area*....and that, as you know Jon, is the issue at hand.
BTW....Despite the success of Glasgow this year it"s often a close run thing whether we even hold the Scottish National in Scotland at all...but Des insists (picky innit).
*If anyone does, PM me and I"ll pass it on.
You seem to have an opinion Paulie when in fact you have no contribution to where the venues are, it is Richard, liaising with Des who organises them all.
I have to agree with Shug and Gerry wholeheartedly that the schedule this year is not favourable to many and that many events had very little turnout from members of the APAT forum.
I just hope that next year it will be better and that the venues are doable for a good percentage of members.
As for Cork this year, what a nightmare to get to when Dublin was such a good and easy city to be able to easily get to.
But I know how hard it is for Richard to secure venues for each event and I take my hat off to him on how hard he works to provide each event for us
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You seem to have an opinion Paulie when in fact you have no contribution to where the venues are, it is Richard, liaising with Des who organises them all.
Of course it"s just an opinion, I never said I had any input although Richard does occasionally involve me in the travel factors for the overseas ones.
I was merely stating the facts based on my conversations with Des and Richard. The factors I gave are the ones they have imparted to me and have stated in this forum a number of times.
As for Cork this year, what a nightmare to get to when Dublin was such a good and easy city to be able to easily get to.
I agree Dublin would have been better than Cork....but I refer you to my previous points. I have spoken to Richard regarding Dublin (specifically the Fitz) on a couple of occasions over the past 18 months and it was very unlikely we would be back there this year.
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Like I said, Scotland has been hard to find venues.....they have either been unwilling or unable to host in the past (or gone out of business) but Gala Glasgow has proved that it can be done and successfully too...and I"m pleased about that.
I feel confident that they"ll be very high on the list for next year...and as I said, it"s a short list.
It just goes to show that Des is right to insist (guess that"s why he"s in charge). ;D
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You seem to have an opinion Paulie when in fact you have no contribution to where the venues are, it is Richard, liaising with Des who organises them all.
Of course it"s just an opinion, I never said I had any input although Richard does occasionally involve me in the travel factors for the overseas ones.
I was merely stating the facts based on my conversations with Des and Richard. The factors I gave are the ones they have imparted to me and have stated in this forum a number of times.
As for Cork this year, what a nightmare to get to when Dublin was such a good and easy city to be able to easily get to.
I agree Dublin would have been better than Cork....but I refer you to my previous points. I have spoken to Richard regarding Dublin (specifically the Fitz) on a couple of occasions over the past 18 months and it was very unlikely we would be back there this year.
That may well be Paulie, but your sharpness and lack of respect for the original poster"s valid point has a lot of people angry in the Scottish contingent.
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Not talking for Paulie but I don"t think he meant any lack of respect and sometimes the written word can come across wrong, it"s not easy to put inflection into posts.
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I have spoken to Richard regarding Dublin (specifically the Fitz) on a couple of occasions over the past 18 months and it was very unlikely we would be back there this year.
I definately think it is worth exploring the option of utilising one of the independent non Casino based tourney operators, hosting the Ireland leg in one of the many poker friendly hotels has a lot of merit.
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I find travelling to Scotland/Wales/Ireland/Newcastle/Blackpool a pain....could we hold all of next years events in Luton or DTD please?
At the very least could we hold them in cities with train stations...oh, wait!
Sorry Shug! ;D
I found this sounding Sarcastic rather than tounge in cheek , but hey maybe the way i just took it and hence maybe why was very defensive.
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I find travelling to Scotland/Wales/Ireland/Newcastle/Blackpool a pain....could we hold all of next years events in Luton or DTD please?
At the very least could we hold them in cities with train stations...oh, wait!
Sorry Shug! ;D
I found this sounding Sarcastic rather than tounge in cheek , but hey maybe the way i just took it and hence maybe why was very defensive.
Not a problem...it"s tough to convey "tongue in cheek" when writing and only smilies to work with.
Getting back to Shug"s original point though...if anyone has ideas on where APAT could host an event next year (that are well served from a transportation point of view or not), why not start a thread with some information on it and others could weigh in about the feasability based on local knowledge?
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a move out of scotland would be a terrible move for ATAP IMO with the growing scottish following APAT have! Its like taking the UKIPT Edinburgh out of the pokerstars tour. As for the travel point im on the fence just now as i know how hard a job the guys have to secure venues but i also do agree with shug that it would be nice to have a easy to travel to venue for all!
100% agree with duke that things can be easily miscounstrued when just reading its happened to me so many times.
As for scottish venues for next season.... give me a shout guys if you want some input/help securing one! ;)
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Re: the moving out of Scotland thing. I only mentioned it to highlight how difficult is has been in the past couple of years.
Past experience has shown the short supply of suitable venues in Scotland that tick all the boxes.
I want to emphasise that moving would have been the VERY last resort if Richard couldn"t find a venue. Fortunately, this hasn"t happened and, thanks in no small part to the Glasgow contingent, it looks as though this won"t be an issue.
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Re: the moving out of Scotland thing. I only mentioned it to highlight how difficult is has been in the past couple of years.
Past experience has shown the short supply of suitable venues in Scotland that tick all the boxes.
I want to emphasise that moving would have been the VERY last resort if Richard couldn"t find a venue. Fortunately, this hasn"t happened and, thanks in no small part to the Glasgow contingent, it looks as though this won"t be an issue.
like i said mate tell the guys to give me a shout with what needs ticked for next season if they want a bit more input can"t guaruntee but im sure i could help out with suitable venues. ;)
Did i mention how good i am? :D
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Seen a few comments about travelling recently and been on the disappointing end of travel difficulties myself. I recognise that a large number of APAT members are within easy access of a number of Southern/Midland venues. Could I suggest that venues near to major airport be considered for national championships. I am disappointed that Luton is hosting the team competition this year as it is a easily accessible from Scottish airports. I am not criticising, as I respect the great job that is done for us, just passing an observation for consideration for next years programme.
Hi Shug
We chose Luton for the forum Championships, in part, because it is easily accessible. I am not sure how it isn"t. You can get to Luton airport for under £100 return from Glasgow, Edinburgh and Aberdeen in under two hours via Easyjet, for example
In general all venues are chosen on various criteria and ease of travel is certainly one of those. We also look for a spread of the UK events across the country
With respect to Cork, to answer other queries on the thread, as you may remember we began to have major problems with the Fitz last year. Looking elsewhere the cost of non casino tournaments for example through Irish event operators in hotels, was prohibitive on our budgets
Scanning around the Macau in Cork is well established in a major city with air links. Direct flights to Cork/Kerry from several airports. I accept that in practice this has been more difficult for those not within easy reach of the Southern airports though, which is my fault for not checking thoroughly enough
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I have spoken to Richard regarding Dublin (specifically the Fitz) on a couple of occasions over the past 18 months and it was very unlikely we would be back there this year.
I definately think it is worth exploring the option of utilising one of the independent non Casino based tourney operators, hosting the Ireland leg in one of the many poker friendly hotels has a lot of merit.
It does, but its not currently affordable.
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a move out of scotland would be a terrible move for ATAP IMO with the growing scottish following APAT have! Its like taking the UKIPT Edinburgh out of the pokerstars tour. As for the travel point im on the fence just now as i know how hard a job the guys have to secure venues but i also do agree with shug that it would be nice to have a easy to travel to venue for all!
100% agree with duke that things can be easily miscounstrued when just reading its happened to me so many times.
As for scottish venues for next season.... give me a shout guys if you want some input/help securing one! ;)
Scottish venue problem is solved for next year. All sorted.
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Seen a few comments about travelling recently and been on the disappointing end of travel difficulties myself. I recognise that a large number of APAT members are within easy access of a number of Southern/Midland venues. Could I suggest that venues near to major airport be considered for national championships. I am disappointed that Luton is hosting the team competition this year as it is a easily accessible from Scottish airports. I am not criticising, as I respect the great job that is done for us, just passing an observation for consideration for next years programme.
Hi Shug
We chose Luton for the forum Championships, in part, because it is easily accessible. I am not sure how it isn"t. You can get to Luton airport for under £100 return from Glasgow, Edinburgh and Aberdeen in under two hours via Easyjet, for example
Not meaning to answer for someone else or put words in his mouth, but I think you have misunderstood his point. I read it that he was complaining that the most easily-accessible venue was being used for an inter-forum tournament rather than being kept for a National Championship that the Scottish players would be more likely to attend.
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ok but not a single venue used for an English based national championship this season has had poor travel links and is inaccessible wherever you live
If the argument is that Cork is inaccessible, well firstly there are direct flights from several UK airports and secondly we wouldn"t be using Luton for that event anyway!
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Seen a few comments about travelling recently and been on the disappointing end of travel difficulties myself. I recognise that a large number of APAT members are within easy access of a number of Southern/Midland venues. Could I suggest that venues near to major airport be considered for national championships. I am disappointed that Luton is hosting the team competition this year as it is a easily accessible from Scottish airports. I am not criticising, as I respect the great job that is done for us, just passing an observation for consideration for next years programme.
Hi Shug
We chose Luton for the forum Championships, in part, because it is easily accessible. I am not sure how it isn"t. You can get to Luton airport for under £100 return from Glasgow, Edinburgh and Aberdeen in under two hours via Easyjet, for example
Not meaning to answer for someone else or put words in his mouth, but I think you have misunderstood his point. I read it that he was complaining that the most easily-accessible venue was being used for an inter-forum tournament rather than being kept for a National Championship that the Scottish players would be more likely to attend.
Sorry, just to make things even worse, I live in between Liverpool and Manchester. For me, Cork is easier and cheaper to get to than Luton, and Cork is in a different country!
This just goes to show that one man"s easily accessible venue may be different than the second man. I understand what Shug is saying but at the end of the day, the Irish Nationals will always be in Ireland, never somewhere like Luton.
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Seen a few comments about travelling recently and been on the disappointing end of travel difficulties myself. I recognise that a large number of APAT members are within easy access of a number of Southern/Midland venues. Could I suggest that venues near to major airport be considered for national championships. I am disappointed that Luton is hosting the team competition this year as it is a easily accessible from Scottish airports. I am not criticising, as I respect the great job that is done for us, just passing an observation for consideration for next years programme.
Hi Shug
We chose Luton for the forum Championships, in part, because it is easily accessible. I am not sure how it isn"t. You can get to Luton airport for under £100 return from Glasgow, Edinburgh and Aberdeen in under two hours via Easyjet, for example
Not meaning to answer for someone else or put words in his mouth, but I think you have misunderstood his point. I read it that he was complaining that the most easily-accessible venue was being used for an inter-forum tournament rather than being kept for a National Championship that the Scottish players would be more likely to attend.
Sorry, just to make things even worse, I live in between Liverpool and Manchester. For me, Cork is easier and cheaper to get to than Luton, and Cork is in a different country!
This just goes to show that one man"s easily accessible venue may be different than the second man. I understand what Shug is saying but at the end of the day, the Irish Nationals will always be in Ireland, never somewhere like Luton.
Jeez, is it his accent or something? The guy never mentioned the Irish Nationals.
And anyone who lives in the Manchester/Birmingham region can never complain about the location of venues.
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No, he didn"t specifically say the Irish Nationals. However, from his post and others above (including yours, John) people are insinuating that we should use the most accessible venues regardless of country for the Nationals. My point was to show that this cannot be done as APAT won"t use English venues for Irish Nationals and vice versa.
And I"m not complaining, just showing that for some people, Luton isn"t the most accessible venue.
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Jeez we have tournaments laid on in various cities around UK, Ireland, and Europe. Some will be easier to get to than others dependant on your home location. Some will be downright impossible or impractical for some people to get to.
If we want to avoid anyone having travelling difficulty we may as well just play online!! Alternatively, just accept that some places will be harder to get to than others, but that those places that are hard for some people to get to, will actually be easier for the locals to get to.
Aberdeen a couple of years ago - impossible for me to get to at a practical cost, so I didn"t go. Great for the locals though.
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from his post and others above (including yours, John) people are insinuating that we should use the most accessible venues regardless of country for the Nationals.
Didn"t know I had insinuated that - I must read my posts more carefully in future.
for some people, Luton isn"t the most accessible venue.
Liverpool to Luton isn"t too bad Adam - you"re too used to the short journeys to Coventry, Nottingham, Walsall, Blackpool, Manchester.......
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from his post and others above (including yours, John) people are insinuating that we should use the most accessible venues regardless of country for the Nationals.
Didn"t know I had insinuated that - I must read my posts more carefully in future.
That"s just how it came across to me, and it looks like Tighty thought the same as well based on his reply.
And yeah, I have it lucky from where I am.
As for the Scots - I didn"t see any mention of flying to Dublin and taking the train/driving to Cork from there. Ryanair fly from both Glasgow and Edinburgh to Dublin and the train from Dublin to Cork is an Intercity that leaves every hour. It is possible to get to these events without too much hassle IMO.
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from his post and others above (including yours, John) people are insinuating that we should use the most accessible venues regardless of country for the Nationals.
Didn"t know I had insinuated that - I must read my posts more carefully in future.
That"s just how it came across to me, and it looks like Tighty thought the same as well based on his reply.
Yeah, you"re right - I hadn"t noticed that. I wonder how he translated "a National Championship" into "the Irish National Championship".
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My head hurts from reading this thread. :D
My threepenneth.
1) Paulie is easily misunderstood, but imo, he always means well.
2) To be extremely clear on this. Their will always be a Scottish National and it will always be held in Scotland. I don"t believe we have ever failed to get a venue we really wanted, however the reality is that some cardrooms are managed more professionally than others - and we get frustrated with cardrooms who don"t manage our events as we want them managed.
But, we can always get to one of Glasgow or Edinburgh without issue.
Now here is the thing. If we could find an excellent cardroom in Scotland, that would open up the possibility of taking the UK Team or Pub events, or the Europeans, and putting them on in Scotland in addition to the Scottish Amateur Championship. That would be great and enable our Scottish members to enjoy two events on their doorstep which is only fair. But the lack of a great venue (or cardroom manager more specifically) is holding that back right now. We"ll remain on the lookout thought, because people change jobs all the time.
3) Paulie is easily misunderstood, but imo, he always means well. ;)
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1) Paulie is easily misunderstood, but imo, he always means well.
Perhaps we should get a moderator to moderate the moderator! ( that"s not easy to say, or do)
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1) Paulie is easily misunderstood, but imo, he always means well.
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Jeez we have tournaments laid on in various cities around UK, Ireland, and Europe. Some will be easier to get to than others dependant on your home location. Some will be downright impossible or impractical for some people to get to.
If we want to avoid anyone having travelling difficulty we may as well just play online!! Alternatively, just accept that some places will be harder to get to than others, but that those places that are hard for some people to get to, will actually be easier for the locals to get to.
Aberdeen a couple of years ago - impossible for me to get to at a practical cost, so I didn"t go. Great for the locals though.
I think this is the most sensible post in the whole thread. Steve sums it up pretty well here.
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I think..!!! Everyone who wants to play all the APAT's in all locations and are based in Scotland or Ireland, should pack up their job and pack up the family and belongings and move the whole kit and kaboodle to central England. ;)
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1) Paulie is easily misunderstood, but imo, he always means well.
Perhaps we should get a moderator to moderate the moderator! ( that"s not easy to say, or do)
I wouldn"t be able to cope :D
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1) Paulie is easily misunderstood, but imo, he always means well.
Perhaps we should get a moderator to moderate the moderator! ( that"s not easy to say, or do)
I wouldn"t be able to cope :D
We know, it broke Leigh ffs! ;)
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I think..!!! Everyone who wants to play all the APAT's in all locations and are based in Scotland or Ireland, should pack up their job and pack up the family and belongings and move the whole kit and kaboodle to central England. ;)
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Tounge in cheek lol
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I think..!!! Everyone who wants to play all the APAT's in all locations and are based in Scotland or Ireland, should pack up their job and pack up the family and belongings and move the whole kit and kaboodle to central England. ;)
This! ;)
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My head hurts from reading this thread. :D
My threepenneth.
1) Paulie is easily misunderstood, but imo, he always means well.
Thanks des , and yea reflecting on last night I would call it a misunderstanding , and i look forward to the Next APAT event I can make .
On somebodys point on Dublin and trains , yea i had chacked that out for an option but first train did on way back did not make first flight and later flight was too expensive , for me anyway.
I fully appreciate the work that goes into organising these events and issues with cardrooms in Scotland,
and would now draw a line under the misunderstanding
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1) Paulie is easily misunderstood, but imo, he always means well.
Perhaps we should get a moderator to moderate the moderator! ( that"s not easy to say, or do)
I wouldn"t be able to cope :D
Banstick FTW ;D
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1) Paulie is easily misunderstood, but imo, he always means well.
Perhaps we should get a moderator to moderate the moderator! ( that"s not easy to say, or do)
I wouldn"t be able to cope :D
Banstick FTW ;D
OW!
Stop.
Hitting.
Me. ;D
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I think..!!! Everyone who wants to play all the APAT's in all locations and are based in Scotland or Ireland, should pack up their job and pack up the family and belongings and move the whole kit and kaboodle to central England. ;)
This! ;)
Hello! ;D
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I think..!!! Everyone who wants to play all the APAT's in all locations and are based in Scotland or Ireland, should pack up their job and pack up the family and belongings and move the whole kit and kaboodle to central England. ;)
This! ;)
Scotland heck...I live in Essex and am thinking about it. ;D
If it"s good enough for Barber it"s good enough for me.
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Jeez we have tournaments laid on in various cities around UK, Ireland, and Europe. Some will be easier to get to than others dependant on your home location. Some will be downright impossible or impractical for some people to get to.
If we want to avoid anyone having travelling difficulty we may as well just play online!! Alternatively, just accept that some places will be harder to get to than others, but that those places that are hard for some people to get to, will actually be easier for the locals to get to.
Aberdeen a couple of years ago - impossible for me to get to at a practical cost, so I didn"t go. Great for the locals though.
I think this is the most sensible post in the whole thread. Steve sums it up pretty well here.
Steve? Sensible? Have you seen him play poker?
What have you done with the real Redfern?
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SORRY SORRY SORRY
This is worse than the Larry Murphy`s saga I started.
I was not offended by Paulie`s comments I have spent enough time in his enjoyable company to realise his comments were made in jest.
I don`t for one minute want to tell Richard or Des how to do their job as I think they should be congratulated at every opportunity for the job they do for ALL APAT members.
The point I was trying to make is that for some of us travel is difficult and at times expensive. Luton is always a good option and would have preferred it to be used for an individual championship.
Could we not go to the same place twice in a year?
I really enjoy the APAT experience and guess I am disappointed about being unable to play in so many this year. (Unless I get a late call up for a poker forum for Luton)
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SORRY SORRY SORRY
This is worse than the Larry Murphy`s saga I started.
I was not offended by Paulie`s comments I have spent enough time in his enjoyable company to realise his comments were made in jest.
I don`t for one minute want to tell Richard or Des how to do their job as I think they should be congratulated at every opportunity for the job they do for ALL APAT members.
The point I was trying to make is that for some of us travel is difficult and at times expensive. Luton is always a good option and would have preferred it to be used for an individual championship.
Could we not go to the same place twice in a year?
I really enjoy the APAT experience and guess I am disappointed about being unable to play in so many this year. (Unless I get a late call up for a poker forum for Luton)
forgot to add SORRY SORRY SORRY
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SORRY SORRY SORRY
This is worse than the Larry Murphy`s saga I started.
I was not offended by Paulie`s comments I have spent enough time in his enjoyable company to realise his comments were made in jest.
I don`t for one minute want to tell Richard or Des how to do their job as I think they should be congratulated at every opportunity for the job they do for ALL APAT members.
The point I was trying to make is that for some of us travel is difficult and at times expensive. Luton is always a good option and would have preferred it to be used for an individual championship.
Could we not go to the same place twice in a year?
I really enjoy the APAT experience and guess I am disappointed about being unable to play in so many this year. (Unless I get a late call up for a poker forum for Luton)
forgot to add SORRY SORRY SORRY
It"s OK Shug. Just say you"re sorry and i"m sure it"ll all be sorted.
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Bring back Walsall...thats what I say !!
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Bring back Walsall...thats what I say !!
no need to shout Brian