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Title: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on September 27, 2011, 11:42:12 AM
World famous horse race will start on next sunday. Like every year this race will attract attention to the whole world of horse racing.

Will local Sarafina win this race, Godolphin again or maybe last years winner Workforce?

Which horses are your favorites and will you bet? What are your picks for the Monstre-Race in Longchamp?
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: Cyntaf on September 27, 2011, 11:48:30 AM
Don"t really keep up with geegee"s anymore. I did actually go to Longchamps for the race on my 30th birthday, which fell on the very same Sunday. It really was a terrific day out, great atmosphere etc. Didn"t win on the main race, but ended up......up for the day. :)

Perhaps You have prompted me to go and buy a racing post, for a quick glance??

Who is your pick BTW?

Oh and GL :)
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on September 27, 2011, 14:03:06 PM
Good luck too if you bet a horse.

I"m still waiting for an information about DANEDREAM. It"s the discovery of german racing. Bought for very cheap money and winner of some better races. Owner has to decide to designate her for 100K in the Arc.

I"ll wait for the racecard and I"m sure which horses will run.

If the german filly will start I"ll bet her. Weight, performance, all sounds good but it"s a tough race and we"ll see the best horses.

WORKFORCE will be def one of my picks again, brilliant horse.

Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: noble1 on September 27, 2011, 15:28:49 PM
already on Workforce, he needs a big field to settle to be seen at full effect.. ignore his build up runs in small fields imho...

gla whatever u pick.....
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on September 27, 2011, 16:56:43 PM
Wohoooo. It"s fact, german filly DANEDREAM will run. It"s a tough race but the odds will be nice. If your bookmaker offer good fixed odds it"s a risky but for good value e/w.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on September 28, 2011, 12:02:12 PM
An excellent chance has german owned and trained in france by trainer C. Ferland DABIRSIM in Grand Criterium - Prix Jean-Luc Lagardere - Grade 1. With the jockeyship of Frankie Dettori and the 2y colt can conserve his performance it looks like a penalty ....but we know, the race always will be finished at line.
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on September 29, 2011, 09:50:55 AM
Is it like a Mission Impossible for WORKFORCE to win back to back the "Arc"?

The stats are against this result. It"s long ago that ALLEGED (1977/1978) was able to realize it. Excellent horses like Hurricane Run and Montjeu failed last years.

German filly DANEDREAM, bought for cheap 9.000 Euro, and winner of 500.000 Euro, has a new co-owner. Teruya Yoshida has bought a 50% share,price unknown. He is also well-knowned in horse racing. One of his horses is SAPHRESA.

Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: noble1 on September 29, 2011, 13:07:56 PM

Is it like a Mission Impossible for WORKFORCE to win back to back the "Arc"?

The stats are against this result. It"s long ago that ALLEGED (1977/1978) was able to realize it. Excellent horses like Hurricane Run and Montjeu failed last years.

German filly DANEDREAM, bought for cheap 9.000 Euro, and winner of 500.000 Euro, has a new co-owner. Teruya Yoshida has bought a 50% share,price unknown. He is also well-knowned in horse racing. One of his horses is SAPHRESA.


depends if u want to take stats/trends literally or not, Hurricane Run won the Arc on good to soft in a 15 runner field the next year the going was good and a 8 runner field.. Montjeu won his Arc in heavy conditions and the next year it was good going...
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on September 29, 2011, 17:34:15 PM
That"s right noble1, agree. But however the circumstances were, Alleged was the last horse. Horse races are always a bit like poker. If you see Pocket Aces in the hole you"ll be optimistic to collect a lot of chips and win that single game. If you know that your horse will be the best in the field it depends what happend between start and finish line. Sometimes there is a Turf Bad Beat waiting.  :)
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: noble1 on September 30, 2011, 01:15:56 AM
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on September 30, 2011, 09:45:45 AM
Andre Fabre is an outstanding trainer and if he send a horse into such a race like the ARC we have to be observant.
Thanks for your kind words for "our" filly. e/w on her is a question of patriosm. ;)

Guess Workforce is still my bank for exacta and trifecta. Rest will be intuition and study of last performances.

Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on September 30, 2011, 12:51:03 PM
Box Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe:

1 Hirono D"Amour
2 Danedream
3 Testosterone
4 Galikova
5 Masked Marvel
6 St Nicholas Abbey
7 Reliable Man
8 Workforce
9 Sherata
10 Meandre
11 Snow Fairy
12 Treasure Beach
13 Sarafina
14 So You Think
15 Silver Pond
16 Nakayama Festa
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: Honeybadg on October 01, 2011, 12:41:19 PM
I am on Hiruno D"Amour - great value shot ...

Still smarting from my punt on Nakayama Festa last year - how time flies.

Looking forward to the big race.

L
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on October 01, 2011, 13:43:05 PM

I am Hiruno D"Amour - great value shot ...

Still smarting from my punt on Nakayama Festa last year - how time flies.

Looking forward to the big race.

L


Agree. If you study a bit then you cant ignore the colt. Nice odds. Also the pick of racing post expert. A bit doubt about the ground for WORKFORCE, but there is a bit watering to have fair conditions. WORKFORCE, DANEDREAM and HIRUNA D"AMOUR are def in all of my combined bets. Will make my bet when I see the horses in the paddock.
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: hollaboo on October 01, 2011, 21:57:14 PM
think workforce can go on any ground he won last years derby by 7 length on gd/fm
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on October 02, 2011, 11:40:14 AM
Hopefully Workforce will.;) At the moment the colt is sleeping in his box. Really a Pro. ;D
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on October 02, 2011, 13:33:24 PM
Oh Oh, pretty unlucky jockeyship from Olivier Peslier on Zantenda. Freddy Heads looks really disappointed.
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on October 02, 2011, 14:00:31 PM
What the hell for a ride. Frankieeeeeee. Im 10 years older now. :-))))))))))))))))))))
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on October 02, 2011, 15:22:49 PM
Wohoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on October 02, 2011, 15:40:48 PM
What a wonderfull day for german horse racing. Danedream made it, unbelievabel. Dont wanna expect what tomorow will happen at cologne race course when there will a race day and they are back from Paris.
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: noble1 on October 02, 2011, 15:48:44 PM
very big congratulations Cinc, the filly ran a cracker... i hope u had a fair few quid/euro on :) Andrasch Starke produced a great ride and had Danedream well placed throughout the whole race, messy race race behind, but that just highlights how well Danedream and Andrasch Starke did imho... again a very well done Cinc [my crossed fingers did the trick ;)]
i"ve soaked up quite a lot of bets on Sarafina, so a drink is in order tonight :)
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on October 02, 2011, 16:01:31 PM
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: noble1 on October 02, 2011, 16:14:03 PM
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on October 02, 2011, 16:44:16 PM
The filly was an unremarkable horse as a yearling. Thats the reason why she was a cheap investment. Its great to see such opportunities because it should motivate a lot to invest in that sport with a hope of luck like Danedream"s owner did.

Trainer Peter Schiergen and jockyey Andrasch Starke deserved such a success. Both are formative sportsmen in german horse racing. NOw it"s a question to send her to the Breeders Cup. She runs a lot but if she is still in a good shape Im sure she will run in Kentucky.
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on October 03, 2011, 10:05:50 AM
Race replay:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqPncGJKB-8&feature=related ( french original )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb9K3oqp7FE&feature=related (english commentary)
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: Santino67 on October 03, 2011, 13:15:52 PM
Very nice Achim, lovely pick out for the big race. It was 20/1 on our bookmakers, hope you managed to get the better price  8)
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on October 03, 2011, 14:11:49 PM
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: Santino67 on October 03, 2011, 14:16:30 PM
Dabirsim also Frankie"s 500th career Group winner, fantastic achievement!
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on October 03, 2011, 14:39:27 PM
Ui, my ex horsie runs in France now, had bet him 6/1 for some pennys.;)
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on October 03, 2011, 14:44:26 PM
Goaaaaaaaaaallllllllllll !  ;D Easy money ! Has won  last race Maisson Laffite. Wohooo!
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on October 03, 2011, 15:17:46 PM
Have to try it again. Berlin Hoppegarten Grade 3, Zazou is my bet.
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: Cyntaf on October 03, 2011, 18:21:34 PM
Nice result. I meant to follow you, but unfortunately got very busy and failed to place a bet. :(

But Big congrats, and to noble, take it you won by virtue of taking bets on A N other etc?
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: noble1 on October 03, 2011, 19:11:17 PM
Sarafina was my lay bet for a few pennies ;D

http://www.g1stallionmatch.com/g1stallionmatch/pages/StallionMatch.aspx?for=G1StallionMatch+-+coolmoreIRE.htm&internal=1
to breed from etc for 9000 euro cinc... bargain :)
hint - try rip van winkle and danedream as the mare :) [press start search]
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on October 05, 2011, 20:17:05 PM
Heard some noises that DANEDREAM got a call for the Breeders Cup. Option too is the Japan Cup. Would be grreat to have another daydream next month in Louisville. ;D
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: Santino67 on October 05, 2011, 21:45:59 PM

Heard some noises that DANEDREAM got a call for the Breeders Cup. Option too is the Japan Cup. Would be grreat to have another daydream next month in Louisville. ;D


Nice one, wasn"t Noble mentioning Secretariat on here recently, winner of Triple Crown. To be anywhere near that kind of class is admirable indeed!
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: ThinkerJE on October 05, 2011, 21:56:06 PM
Just seen the replay of the Arc on bbc website - STUNNING PERFORMANCE by the german filly
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: ThinkerJE on October 05, 2011, 21:57:27 PM

Good luck too if you bet a horse.

I"m still waiting for an information about DANEDREAM. It"s the discovery of german racing. Bought for very cheap money and winner of some better races. Owner has to decide to designate her for 100K in the Arc.

I"ll wait for the racecard and I"m sure which horses will run.

If the german filly will start I"ll bet her. Weight, performance, all sounds good but it"s a tough race and we"ll see the best horses.

WORKFORCE will be def one of my picks again, brilliant horse.




Top pick!!!
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: ThinkerJE on October 05, 2011, 22:02:36 PM

Trainer Peter Schiergen and jockyey Andrasch Starke deserved such a success. Both are formative sportsmen in german horse racing. NOw it"s a question to send her to the Breeders Cup. She runs a lot but if she is still in a good shape Im sure she will run in Kentucky.


Arc winners have a terrible record at the breeders cup and she would have to be a LAY at the likely short odds
Title: Re: Prix l'Arc de Triomphe - Sunday oct 2nd
Post by: CincinnatiKid on October 12, 2011, 13:31:20 PM
DANEDREAM def not running at Breeders Cup next month. Still there are thoughts that she could run in the Japan Cup. Huge price money and bonus would be an amount of over 3 Million Euros. Filly and mare made no sense, pricemoney less than Japan and BC Turf she has also colts in the field.

Think it"s the better alternate. So weve to wait for trainer/owners decision.