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Title: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Des on January 30, 2013, 23:22:35 PM
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule
Post by: Des on January 31, 2013, 00:24:35 AM
Further information:-

Reserve A Seat: Choose an event and add your full name (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?board=135.0)

Satellites: details to be confirmed

Championship Structures (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=13243.0)

Travel Tips (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=13209.msg202397#msg202397)

Seat Reservations: List of players who have reserved seats (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=13246.0)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: adilong1 on January 31, 2013, 21:06:56 PM
Erm can you move it a couple of weeks??   :"(
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Paulie_D on January 31, 2013, 21:12:03 PM
Bah...no PLO8?  ;D

Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: AMRN on January 31, 2013, 21:22:06 PM

Bah...no PLO8?  ;D




Indeed!!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Fonzie14 on January 31, 2013, 21:25:45 PM

Bah...no PLO8?  ;D



Hidden in the HORSE  ;)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: AMRN on January 31, 2013, 21:29:02 PM


Bah...no PLO8?  ;D



Hidden in the HORSE  ;)



Nope - no PLO8 in HORSE.   There is some O8 however  :)

Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Slim Chance on January 31, 2013, 21:30:45 PM
The Stud games have 8 players per table, so do you think it may be worth amending the no. of runners to multiples of 8 ?
eg Stud 56 runners, Horse 48 runners, Razz 40 runners
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: AceOnTheRiver on January 31, 2013, 21:34:07 PM
How many sleeps?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: TheReflex on January 31, 2013, 21:35:52 PM
Great to see so much variety, although I"d be gutted to miss the heads up event by making day 2 of the main.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: MintTrav on January 31, 2013, 21:37:54 PM
There"s Razz, omg there"s Razz.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: 3N1GM4 on January 31, 2013, 21:38:44 PM
If we plan to play satellites for the ME for example, is it ok to reserve a seat in the relevant thread anyway in case?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: KarmaDope on January 31, 2013, 21:39:50 PM

The Stud games have 8 players per table, so do you think it may be worth amending the no. of runners to multiples of 8 ?
eg Stud 56 runners, Horse 48 runners, Razz 40 runners


I was assuming we were playing 7 handed.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Des on January 31, 2013, 21:45:25 PM

If we plan to play satellites for the ME for example, is it ok to reserve a seat in the relevant thread anyway in case?


Absolutely fine Ian.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: fandango on January 31, 2013, 22:17:46 PM

Bah...no PLO8?  ;D




Ditch Razz  ;D PLO8 ftw!!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: fandango on January 31, 2013, 22:21:25 PM
Do ME seat added value winners need to contact Leigh and state which day they want to be added or will Leigh troll through threads and add them himself?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Fonzie14 on January 31, 2013, 22:27:34 PM



Bah...no PLO8?  ;D



Hidden in the HORSE  ;)



Nope - no PLO8 in HORSE.   There is some O8 however  :)

oops...i"ll get me coat  :-[


Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Des on January 31, 2013, 22:32:04 PM

Do ME seat added value winners need to contact Leigh and state which day they want to be added or will Leigh troll through threads and add them himself?


Reserve the seat you want Carl and then send Leigh a pm confirming it as your added value choice.  Do you want the bracelet before the event, or would you rather wait?!  ;)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Gup9y on January 31, 2013, 22:53:16 PM
Des,

Why is the high roller capped at 45?

Guppy
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Des on January 31, 2013, 22:58:37 PM

Des,

Why is the high roller capped at 45?

Guppy


That seems a sensible starting point for the event and would see us with over 250 players in the club at the time of opening.  If demand suggests we need to extend the field, we"ll certainly look at that.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: petersimon on January 31, 2013, 23:34:08 PM
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Des on January 31, 2013, 23:39:00 PM
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: PantsMan on February 01, 2013, 00:06:11 AM
Nice to see a high roller but love to see more seats. Aside from that, awesome stuff. Can"t wait!

Need to check though. What"s the plan with regards to people buying in to an event but then not being able to play as they"re still in another? Would like to reserve seats for a couple but don"t they clash with others. Would play them if out of the others but don"t want to take seats away from other players.

Cheers,

Andy
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: PantsMan on February 01, 2013, 00:07:47 AM
PS - When you, Leigh and Matt all bink seats by storming the online cup who"s going to run things?  If it"s FatCatStu can I cancel my reservations please. Cheers.  :)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Des on February 01, 2013, 00:15:39 AM

Nice to see a high roller but love to see more seats. Aside from that, awesome stuff. Can"t wait!

Need to check though. What"s the plan with regards to people buying in to an event but then not being able to play as they"re still in another? Would like to reserve seats for a couple but don"t they clash with others. Would play them if out of the others but don"t want to take seats away from other players.

Cheers,

Andy


We"ll come up with a policy to deal with that Andy.  Ultimately players will be allowed to multi table, or alternatively we"ll operate a seat exchange live at DTD.  Either way, you"ll know where you stand well before the seats going on live sale at DTD.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: PantsMan on February 01, 2013, 00:28:11 AM


Nice to see a high roller but love to see more seats. Aside from that, awesome stuff. Can"t wait!

Need to check though. What"s the plan with regards to people buying in to an event but then not being able to play as they"re still in another? Would like to reserve seats for a couple but don"t they clash with others. Would play them if out of the others but don"t want to take seats away from other players.

Cheers,

Andy


We"ll come up with a policy to deal with that Andy.  Ultimately players will be allowed to multi table, or alternatively we"ll operate a seat exchange live at DTD.  Either way, you"ll know where you stand well before the seats going on live sale at DTD.


Ok, cheers. Will reserve seats then and happily give them up if needed. Thanks for letting me know.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: fandango on February 01, 2013, 07:02:08 AM


Nice to see a high roller but love to see more seats. Aside from that, awesome stuff. Can"t wait!

Need to check though. What"s the plan with regards to people buying in to an event but then not being able to play as they"re still in another? Would like to reserve seats for a couple but don"t they clash with others. Would play them if out of the others but don"t want to take seats away from other players.

Cheers,

Andy


We"ll come up with a policy to deal with that Andy.  Ultimately players will be allowed to multi table, or alternatively we"ll operate a seat exchange live at DTD.  Either way, you"ll know where you stand well before the seats going on live sale at DTD.

Hi Des, you say players may be able to "multi table".. Just to let you know at the ECOAP the tournament Director would not allow me to play the PLO in the break between the final run in of the ME.. Dunno if you will need to clarify this first..
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Des on February 01, 2013, 07:30:36 AM



Nice to see a high roller but love to see more seats. Aside from that, awesome stuff. Can"t wait!

Need to check though. What"s the plan with regards to people buying in to an event but then not being able to play as they"re still in another? Would like to reserve seats for a couple but don"t they clash with others. Would play them if out of the others but don"t want to take seats away from other players.

Cheers,

Andy


We"ll come up with a policy to deal with that Andy.  Ultimately players will be allowed to multi table, or alternatively we"ll operate a seat exchange live at DTD.  Either way, you"ll know where you stand well before the seats going on live sale at DTD.

Hi Des, you say players may be able to "multi table".. Just to let you know at the ECOAP the tournament Director would not allow me to play the PLO in the break between the final run in of the ME.. Dunno if you will need to clarify this first..


Yep, multi tabling is just one of the possible outcomes here. We"ll agree the final option with DTD.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Sugar_Free on February 01, 2013, 09:26:53 AM



Nice to see a high roller but love to see more seats. Aside from that, awesome stuff. Can"t wait!

Need to check though. What"s the plan with regards to people buying in to an event but then not being able to play as they"re still in another? Would like to reserve seats for a couple but don"t they clash with others. Would play them if out of the others but don"t want to take seats away from other players.

Cheers,

Andy


We"ll come up with a policy to deal with that Andy.  Ultimately players will be allowed to multi table, or alternatively we"ll operate a seat exchange live at DTD.  Either way, you"ll know where you stand well before the seats going on live sale at DTD.

Hi Des, you say players may be able to "multi table".. Just to let you know at the ECOAP the tournament Director would not allow me to play the PLO in the break between the final run in of the ME.. Dunno if you will need to clarify this first..


Blatant "I would have won that as well" post
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Paulie_D on February 01, 2013, 09:50:49 AM

Do you want the bracelet before the event, or would you rather wait?!  ;)


Des.

Pictures please, not everyone may have seem it yet.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: TheReflex on February 01, 2013, 11:14:21 AM
Hey Des, the main problem you have with multi tabling is the Monday, when the heads up tournament is played. It runs in sync with day 2 of the main event.

You can"t multi table a heads up game with another game in the live arena!

That is the only problem in what is a great schedule IMO. I"ve been speaking with Chris Peers (winner of the heads up last time) and he agrees with me that the schedule is exciting, but he said he"d be a bit gutted if he didn"t get the chance to defend his title. I can empathise with him there. The heads up tournament has a winner, I believe he should have the chance to defend it. Whereas a razz tournament and a "cash game" tournament doesn"t have a previous winner, maybe one of these events should have been on the final day.

He"ll probably bust 1st hand in the main event now and be able to play the heads up anyway now I"ve mentioned this haha!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Fatcatstu on February 01, 2013, 11:47:34 AM

Hey Des, the main problem you have with multi tabling is the Monday, when the heads up tournament is played. It runs in sync with day 2 of the main event.

You can"t multi table a heads up game with another game in the live arena!

That is the only problem in what is a great schedule IMO. I"ve been speaking with Chris Peers (winner of the heads up last time) and he agrees with me that the schedule is exciting, but he said he"d be a bit gutted if he didn"t get the chance to defend his title. I can empathise with him there. The heads up tournament has a winner, I believe he should have the chance to defend it. Whereas a razz tournament and a "cash game" tournament doesn"t have a previous winner, maybe one of these events should have been on the final day.

He"ll probably bust 1st hand in the main event now and be able to play the heads up anyway now I"ve mentioned this haha!


Not gonna be an issue :p

FWIW the way i see it is you just have to prioritise what you want to do. I am personally not playing the Omaha as i want to play the HORSE so need to play day 1b of the main event.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: TheReflex on February 01, 2013, 11:53:32 AM
I totally agree that you need to pick and choose, and drop some games, I get that and respect it. Just seems a shame that you could have a tournament played without it"s defending champion.

He"d be punished for doing well in the main event, because the final day clashes with the heads up.

He wouldn"t have a choice, would he? He couldn"t pick and choose between the final day of the ME and round 1 of the heads up, he"d have to unregister!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: AMRN on February 01, 2013, 11:54:41 AM



FWIW the way i see it is you just have to prioritise what you want to do. I am personally not playing the Omaha as i want to play the HORSE so need to play day 1b of the main event.


Exactly - there are 10 events in 4 days... can"t play them all!  Helluva selection though - massive kudos to Des and team for getting this together!!

Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: TheReflex on February 01, 2013, 12:04:45 PM




FWIW the way i see it is you just have to prioritise what you want to do. I am personally not playing the Omaha as i want to play the HORSE so need to play day 1b of the main event.


Exactly - there are 10 events in 4 days... can"t play them all!  Helluva selection though - massive kudos to Des and team for getting this together!!




I totally agree the variety is amazing, and it"s going to be a great few days! I"m not disputing that at all, and I don"t want to come across as ungrateful to the work that"s gone in to this, I can"t wait for this long weekend!

It"s only a small thing I noticed, and it seems a shame you would have to drop out of a well established tournament if you got to day 2 of the main.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 01, 2013, 12:17:37 PM





FWIW the way i see it is you just have to prioritise what you want to do. I am personally not playing the Omaha as i want to play the HORSE so need to play day 1b of the main event.


Exactly - there are 10 events in 4 days... can"t play them all!  Helluva selection though - massive kudos to Des and team for getting this together!!




I totally agree the variety is amazing, and it"s going to be a great few days! I"m not disputing that at all, and I don"t want to come across as ungrateful to the work that"s gone in to this, I can"t wait for this long weekend!

It"s only a small thing I noticed, and it seems a shame you would have to drop out of a well established tournament if you got to day 2 of the main.


I"m a bit worried now when you see what the Ping Pong will clash with  ;D

Appreciate where you are coming from Liam, fair comments, unfortunately it"s not that straight forward to just swap events around.  If it was, we"d do it.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: THMF-X on February 01, 2013, 12:19:52 PM
Any confirmation about the players per table and the capacity on the stud / H.O.R.S.E. yet?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: TheReflex on February 01, 2013, 12:32:03 PM


I"m a bit worried now when you see what the Ping Pong will clash with  ;D

Appreciate where you are coming from Liam, fair comments, unfortunately it"s not that straight forward to just swap events around.  If it was, we"d do it.


I WILL KICK OFF BIG STYLE IF I MISS THE PING PONG!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: mporter123 on February 01, 2013, 12:37:45 PM
Kudos to the team for putting together a really exciting schedule. It will be a great long weekend of poker, am looking forward to it.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: rupetherupe on February 01, 2013, 13:01:41 PM
I can see the point regarding the Heads-Up etc. Personally I think that everyone who was involved in organising this event and giving a lot of people who would not get the chance to play deepstack and the more neglected forms of poker at such a superb casino, should be 100% congratulated and we should accept that they have organised everything as best as possible in the face of what must have been a logistical nightmare.

WELL DONE EVERYONE INVOLVED - Can"t wait

PS I am driving from the North West to Nottingham on the Thursday if anyone wants a lift (better than getting a train !!!!!)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: LB44 on February 01, 2013, 13:06:30 PM
Only problem I see for me is the 6 max and high roller clash. I wanna defend my championship in the 6 max but I"m not bothered about playing a £50 comp when there is a £250 on later.
Also the same with the heads up... Day 2 clashes.
These are the best comps in my opinion. The 6 max/HR/ME/HU.
You should clash these with events like stud and razz ad Omaha which aren"t going to be as popular as the holdem events.

Just my 2 pence.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Fatcatstu on February 01, 2013, 13:17:54 PM

Only problem I see for me is the 6 max and high roller clash. I wanna defend my championship in the 6 max but I"m not bothered about playing a £50 comp when there is a £250 on later.
Also the same with the heads up... Day 2 clashes.
These are the best comps in my opinion. The 6 max/HR/ME/HU.
You should clash these with events like stud and razz ad Omaha which aren"t going to be as popular as the holdem events.

Just my 2 pence.


I think you underestimate the popularity of the other events, they are ALL going to sell out i would imagine.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Paulie_D on February 01, 2013, 13:24:27 PM
Quote

You should clash these with events like stud and razz and Omaha which aren"t going to be as popular WITH ME as the holdem events.


FYP

PS: What Stu said.

It"s bad enough that Omaha & Razz are on the same day...:)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Mikeyboy9361 on February 01, 2013, 13:33:14 PM
Awesome guys, I don"t think I"ll be able to play much though cos i"ll be in Vegas!! :)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Malum_Piscis on February 01, 2013, 13:34:21 PM
Don"t worry Paulie,

I am coming out of retirement just to knock you out of the Omaha ... give a bit more spare time !


Woody



Quote

You should clash these with events like stud and razz and Omaha which aren"t going to be as popular WITH ME as the holdem events.


FYP

PS: What Stu said.

It"s bad enough that Omaha & Razz are on the same day...:)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Paulie_D on February 01, 2013, 13:35:09 PM

Don"t worry Paulie,

I am coming out of retirement just to knock you out of the Omaha ... give a bit more spare time !

Woody


Oh, SH*T!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Des on February 01, 2013, 13:38:02 PM


Don"t worry Paulie,

I am coming out of retirement just to knock you out of the Omaha ... give a bit more spare time !

Woody


Loose SH*T!


Gulp!  FYP Paulie.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: TheReflex on February 01, 2013, 13:41:55 PM

Only problem I see for me is the 6 max and high roller clash.


I think it"s a great decision to have these 2 events are on the same day. 2 holdem events to choose from, you either go for the higher buy in or lower. That way you get the chance to play other variants on other days.

The main thing I"m saying is the heads up is a traditional event, with a defending champion, and it"s one a lot of people really look forward too as there isn"t many heads up tournaments going in the poker calendar. I thought razz or the cash game tourney would be more suited to being on the last day, as I regard the heads up to be more prestigious than them. But that is just my opinion. Other players are saying they can"t wait for the Razz, everyone"s different!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: gomarrrahh on February 01, 2013, 13:45:32 PM
Now then, I"ve got to say that the schedule is fantastic in what its offering to the players; the variety of games and the amount of tournaments at the best cardroom in the country. We have been utterly spoilt by it and a great round of applause goes to the team yet again for making it all possible.

but i do have to vent a little frustration at the possibility of what Liam has brought attention to.
As said already, yeah you have to priortise the games you wanna play as there simply isnt enough time across the weekend to play them all. For example i have to pick between omaha and HORSE with regards to my starting day for the main event, not great but heyho.

i think the point that liam is making isnt around the fact you have to choose events to play, its to do with the fact that new events which have no history are causing an affect on past winners returning to enjoy past tourneys. of course, with the heads up event, if i do make day 2 (hey, who knows :p) then i miss out on the opportunity to defend a world title in a poker tournament, which i think for anyone would be a massive disappointment.

and unfortunately for me personally, i am the only one affected by this, so i guess others wont really give a hoot.
what may have been an idea (and i dunno if it wasnt possible) would be to have both the cash game and high roller event on the final day as there would be a small number of players left from the weekend competing for the main event and also there could well be more chance for players to play the higher buyin events due to a successful/profitable weekend or for those who dont fancy the mixed/varient games and just focus purely on a holdem event.

it is a small disappointment on an otherwise spotless schedule, either way i cant wait the weekend and congrats on a spectacular festival ahead.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: TheReflex on February 01, 2013, 13:53:33 PM

Now then, I"ve got to say that the schedule is fantastic in what its offering to the players; the variety of games and the amount of tournaments at the best cardroom in the country. We have been utterly spoilt by it and a great round of applause goes to the team yet again for making it all possible.

but i do have to vent a little frustration at the possibility of what Liam has brought attention to.
As said already, yeah you have to priortise the games you wanna play as there simply isnt enough time across the weekend to play them all. For example i have to pick between omaha and HORSE with regards to my starting day for the main event, not great but heyho.

i think the point that liam is making isnt around the fact you have to choose events to play, its to do with the fact that new events which have no history are causing an affect on past winners returning to enjoy past tourneys. of course, with the heads up event, if i do make day 2 (hey, who knows :p) then i miss out on the opportunity to defend a world title in a poker tournament, which i think for anyone would be a massive disappointment.

and unfortunately for me personally, i am the only one affected by this, so i guess others wont really give a hoot.
what may have been an idea (and i dunno if it wasnt possible) would be to have both the cash game and high roller event on the final day as there would be a small number of players left from the weekend competing for the main event and also there could well be more chance for players to play the higher buyin events due to a successful/profitable weekend or for those who dont fancy the mixed/varient games and just focus purely on a holdem event.

it is a small disappointment on an otherwise spotless schedule, either way i cant wait the weekend and congrats on a spectacular festival ahead.



Well said Chris, pretty much what I"m saying! Great schedule, very well organised, just a tiny shame you could miss out on defending your title like we spoke about.

And yes, the razz and cash game tourneys really do look fantastic, but the heads up is a past tournament has a history about it, and maybe should be held in higher regard than the new tourneys.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Des on February 01, 2013, 13:57:16 PM
No disrespect Chris  ;) but APAT ran the UK"s first Razz event; as part of the first World Championship of Amateur Poker back in 2007.  I don"t think the history card...no pun intended...will get you there!

One of the key reasons for having the Heads Up alongside the main on the last day of the festival, is that it allows players to get home a bit earlier after five days away, should they exit in the first round or two.

It"s the correct decision under the circumstances and I stand by it.   8)

Two other factors to consider also with regards the schedule, is that we don"t want to put a big ask on a large number of players to be there for the opening day, hence why the Stud fits in there.  That aside, it was important to not clash high traffic events with either of the main event starting dates.  It wouldn"t work for DTD, and it would have meant some harder choices for players.  Finally, I didn"t really see the High Roller and Six Max as comparative.  The High Roller buy in is well outside of the typical APAT buy in, so i think players who are attracted by that Championship opportunity, will accept missing the Six Max. 

We absolutely love our defending Champs, but ultimately we wouldn"t make a WCOAP scheduling decision for the sole reason that you might get a shot at a double.

It"s amazing that you guys care so much though and that"s what makes it really worthwhile for the organising team.

Thanks for all of the feedback guys and please keep it coming.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: TheReflex on February 01, 2013, 14:06:06 PM

No disrespect Chris  ;) but APAT ran the UK"s first Razz event; as part of the first World Championship of Amateur Poker back in 2007.  I don"t think the history card...no pun intended...will get you there!

One of the key reasons for having the Heads Up alongside the main on the last day of the festival, is that it allows players to get home a bit earlier after five days away, should they exit in the first round or two.

It"s the correct decision under the circumstances and I stand by it.   8)

Two other factors to consider also with regards the schedule, is that we don"t want to put a big ask on a large number of players to be there for the opening day, hence why the Stud fits in there.  That aside, it was important to not clash high traffic events with either of the main event starting dates.  It wouldn"t work for DTD, and it would have meant some harder choices for players.  Finally, I didn"t really see the High Roller and Six Max as comparative.  The High Roller buy in is well outside of the typical APAT buy in, so i think players who are attracted by that Championship opportunity, will accept missing the Six Max. 

We absolutely love our defending Champs, but ultimately we wouldn"t make a WCOAP scheduling decision for the sole reason that you might get a shot at a double.

It"s amazing that you guys care so much though and that"s what makes it really worthwhile for the organising team.

Thanks for all of the feedback guys and please keep it coming.


Well explained Des, fully respect the decision. See you all next month!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: GatlingGob on February 01, 2013, 14:15:46 PM
Hi all really looking forward to this weekend as 1 it will be my first chance to play a apat live event and secondly there is so much to choose from.
Look forward to seeing everyone there.

Rod

Hitsquad
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Paulie_D on February 01, 2013, 15:09:04 PM

...and secondly there is so much to choose from.



...not enough PLO8 though.

..or have I mentioned that?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: gomarrrahh on February 01, 2013, 16:49:08 PM

No disrespect Chris  ;) but APAT ran the UK"s first Razz event; as part of the first World Championship of Amateur Poker back in 2007.  I don"t think the history card...no pun intended...will get you there!

One of the key reasons for having the Heads Up alongside the main on the last day of the festival, is that it allows players to get home a bit earlier after five days away, should they exit in the first round or two.

It"s the correct decision under the circumstances and I stand by it.   8)

Two other factors to consider also with regards the schedule, is that we don"t want to put a big ask on a large number of players to be there for the opening day, hence why the Stud fits in there.  That aside, it was important to not clash high traffic events with either of the main event starting dates.  It wouldn"t work for DTD, and it would have meant some harder choices for players.  Finally, I didn"t really see the High Roller and Six Max as comparative.  The High Roller buy in is well outside of the typical APAT buy in, so i think players who are attracted by that Championship opportunity, will accept missing the Six Max. 

We absolutely love our defending Champs, but ultimately we wouldn"t make a WCOAP scheduling decision for the sole reason that you might get a shot at a double.

It"s amazing that you guys care so much though and that"s what makes it really worthwhile for the organising team.

Thanks for all of the feedback guys and please keep it coming.


thanks for the reply Des. I wasnt referring to the Razz event in particular, more to do with the high roller and cash event, both being fairly new to the scene (with the exception of the ProAm events a few seasons back) but i fully appreciate the work that goes on behind the scene to make these festivals happen.

we are very lucky to have you guys putting every effort into the series for all the players to enjoy.
with that said, thats what ill be looking to do that weekend, enjoy it.
I just hope that unfortunate situation doesnt arise for me, or it could well be the best display of multi-tabling DTD has ever seen  ;)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Des on February 01, 2013, 17:11:06 PM


No disrespect Chris  ;) but APAT ran the UK"s first Razz event; as part of the first World Championship of Amateur Poker back in 2007.  I don"t think the history card...no pun intended...will get you there!

One of the key reasons for having the Heads Up alongside the main on the last day of the festival, is that it allows players to get home a bit earlier after five days away, should they exit in the first round or two.

It"s the correct decision under the circumstances and I stand by it.   8)

Two other factors to consider also with regards the schedule, is that we don"t want to put a big ask on a large number of players to be there for the opening day, hence why the Stud fits in there.  That aside, it was important to not clash high traffic events with either of the main event starting dates.  It wouldn"t work for DTD, and it would have meant some harder choices for players.  Finally, I didn"t really see the High Roller and Six Max as comparative.  The High Roller buy in is well outside of the typical APAT buy in, so i think players who are attracted by that Championship opportunity, will accept missing the Six Max. 

We absolutely love our defending Champs, but ultimately we wouldn"t make a WCOAP scheduling decision for the sole reason that you might get a shot at a double.

It"s amazing that you guys care so much though and that"s what makes it really worthwhile for the organising team.

Thanks for all of the feedback guys and please keep it coming.


thanks for the reply Des. I wasnt referring to the Razz event in particular, more to do with the high roller and cash event, both being fairly new to the scene (with the exception of the ProAm events a few seasons back) but i fully appreciate the work that goes on behind the scene to make these festivals happen.

we are very lucky to have you guys putting every effort into the series for all the players to enjoy.
with that said, thats what ill be looking to do that weekend, enjoy it.
I just hope that unfortunate situation doesnt arise for me, or it could well be the best display of multi-tabling DTD has ever seen  ;)


Trust me on this, if you come back for day two of the main event with 450,000 chips, you"ll be okay about it!  There will be £10k to £15k for the winner, you"ll be focussed on the main!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: s4ooter on February 01, 2013, 18:10:43 PM
Looking forward to hearing about the High Roller sats and the APAT TV Hostess (Hope she is a stunner!!)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Robbiebox on February 01, 2013, 18:12:35 PM

Great to see so much variety, although I"d be gutted to miss the heads up event by making day 2 of the main.


I think you can sleep easy on that one Liam.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: s4ooter on February 01, 2013, 18:27:47 PM
For some reason, then the announcements were pending, i thought there was gonna be an APAT Ladies Event.
I was getting my skirt ready!!! :)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Paulie_D on February 01, 2013, 18:40:19 PM

Looking forward to hearing .... the APAT TV Hostess (Hope she is a stunner!!)


Wait...what?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: s4ooter on February 01, 2013, 18:54:31 PM
Well it says there is APAT TV, and i guess Des/Leigh/Matt would get a nice looking lady to do the honours!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 01, 2013, 18:59:26 PM

Well it says there is APAT TV, and i guess Des/Leigh/Matt would get a nice looking lady to do the honours!




Oh, right.

We were just going to split the days up between the three of us.  It"ll be table streaming for most of it, and all three of us have faces perfect for radio, so should be fine.   ;D
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Fatcatstu on February 01, 2013, 19:30:13 PM


Well it says there is APAT TV, and i guess Des/Leigh/Matt would get a nice looking lady to do the honours!




Oh, right.

We were just going to split the days up between the three of us.  It"ll be table streaming for most of it, and all three of us have faces perfect for radio, so should be fine.   ;D


Am up for a guest commentary appearance if you are looking fir volunteers!!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: s4ooter on February 01, 2013, 19:31:16 PM



Well it says there is APAT TV, and i guess Des/Leigh/Matt would get a nice looking lady to do the honours!




Oh, right.

We were just going to split the days up between the three of us.  It"ll be table streaming for most of it, and all three of us have faces perfect for radio, so should be fine.   ;D


Am up for a guest commentary appearance if you are looking fir volunteers!!


+1
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: mporter123 on February 01, 2013, 19:43:55 PM




Well it says there is APAT TV, and i guess Des/Leigh/Matt would get a nice looking lady to do the honours!




Oh, right.

We were just going to split the days up between the three of us.  It"ll be table streaming for most of it, and all three of us have faces perfect for radio, so should be fine.   ;D


Am up for a guest commentary appearance if you are looking fir volunteers!!


+1


+2
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: AJDUK on February 01, 2013, 22:00:28 PM
Thinker FTW all day long
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: AAroddersAA on February 01, 2013, 22:30:38 PM





Well it says there is APAT TV, and i guess Des/Leigh/Matt would get a nice looking lady to do the honours!




Oh, right.

We were just going to split the days up between the three of us.  It"ll be table streaming for most of it, and all three of us have faces perfect for radio, so should be fine.   ;D


Am up for a guest commentary appearance if you are looking fir volunteers!!


+1


+2

Oh come on, it"s not like any of you lot (or most of the rest of us) are going to help - we would just have more faces for radio.

The guest appearance we need here is very clear, even if it was only for a very short segment for old times sake.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: LB44 on February 02, 2013, 00:08:03 AM
Ahhh it clashes with the Irish Open. Prob miss out on this one :( gl guys
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: KarmaDope on February 02, 2013, 00:21:53 AM






Well it says there is APAT TV, and i guess Des/Leigh/Matt would get a nice looking lady to do the honours!




Oh, right.

We were just going to split the days up between the three of us.  It"ll be table streaming for most of it, and all three of us have faces perfect for radio, so should be fine.   ;D


Am up for a guest commentary appearance if you are looking fir volunteers!!


+1


+2

Oh come on, it"s not like any of you lot (or most of the rest of us) are going to help - we would just have more faces for radio.

The guest appearance we need here is very clear, even if it was only for a very short segment for old times sake.


I"ll try and persuade Joobs then ;-)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: s4ooter on February 02, 2013, 00:24:20 AM
Just because i do a podcast, certainlty doesnt mean i have a face for radio......my mummy still tells me im handsome!!!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: MintTrav on February 02, 2013, 00:25:06 AM
I see Silke is coming back this time.

Just thought I"d mention it.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: PantsMan on February 02, 2013, 02:24:42 AM


Well it says there is APAT TV, and i guess Des/Leigh/Matt would get a nice looking lady to do the honours!




Oh, right.

We were just going to split the days up between the three of us.  It"ll be table streaming for most of it, and all three of us have faces perfect for radio, so should be fine.   ;D



Booo!  Bring back Maylis!  :)

If only for the final table exit interviews.

So Andy, you"ve just gone out, well done for getting so far. What was your exit hand......?

Errrm, do I have to say?

Errm, no.

Oh ok, it was 10-5 off suit. Can I go get a drink now?

:)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: PantsMan on February 02, 2013, 02:26:41 AM



Well it says there is APAT TV, and i guess Des/Leigh/Matt would get a nice looking lady to do the honours!




Oh, right.

We were just going to split the days up between the three of us.  It"ll be table streaming for most of it, and all three of us have faces perfect for radio, so should be fine.   ;D


Am up for a guest commentary appearance if you are looking fir volunteers!!


Oh please make this happen!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: PantsMan on February 02, 2013, 02:30:49 AM


Well it says there is APAT TV, and i guess Des/Leigh/Matt would get a nice looking lady to do the honours!




Oh, right.

We were just going to split the days up between the three of us.  It"ll be table streaming for most of it, and all three of us have faces perfect for radio, so should be fine.   ;D


Surely you"ll all be playing in the Main Event having won your seats from smashing up the National Online Cup?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: andrizu on February 02, 2013, 11:10:28 AM
Guys sorry if this has been asked but will there be satellites for any events? Preferably main

Thanks again
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Peter Thorpe on February 02, 2013, 11:26:08 AM
Right ill do all of my comments / questions in one swoop, seems the easiest way to do this.

1. What"s the rule regarding multi-tabling? Player of the Series sounds like something I wanna win :D
2. You say reserved seats, even if all fill up will there be a late reg to events? Just in case some idiot busts level 2 in fixed limit xD
3. Does reserving a seat commit you to play that event?
4. If there"s a space going on apat tv, I"d love to come on for an hour or so. Always got time for you guys and doing some analysis/banter sounds like something I really wanna be a part of

5. **** off, I don"t want another damn silver again! ;-)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Des on February 02, 2013, 11:26:10 AM

Guys sorry if this has been asked but will there be satellites for any events? Preferably main

Thanks again


Details will be announced next week Andrew.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: andrizu on February 02, 2013, 11:28:32 AM


Guys sorry if this has been asked but will there be satellites for any events? Preferably main

Thanks again


Details will be announced next week Andrew.


Appreciated. Cheers mate
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: SirPercival on February 02, 2013, 11:45:51 AM


Guys sorry if this has been asked but will there be satellites for any events? Preferably main

Thanks again


Details will be announced soon Andrew.


FYP  ;D
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Des on February 02, 2013, 12:15:42 PM

Right ill do all of my comments / questions in one swoop, seems the easiest way to do this.

1. What"s the rule regarding multi-tabling? Player of the Series sounds like something I wanna win :D
2. You say reserved seats, even if all fill up will there be a late reg to events? Just in case some idiot busts level 2 in fixed limit xD
3. Does reserving a seat commit you to play that event?
4. If there"s a space going on apat tv, I"d love to come on for an hour or so. Always got time for you guys and doing some analysis/banter sounds like something I really wanna be a part of

5. **** off, I don"t want another damn silver again! ;-)


1.  TBC, as said elsewhere we"ll confirm once we"ve had our next meeting with the venue.  It might be that players can register for a second event but blind out while they are still in the first.

2.  There won"t be late registration, but there will be alternates for the first two levels. 

3.  No, but we need a common sense approach on both sides. Players should only reserve if they are serious about playing. If you have good chips after a few levels in the early event then release the seat for the second event at the cash desk.

4.  There will definitely be an opportunity. We"ll announce a new hostess over the weekend and schedule some slots for analysts alongside her.

5.  These events are all about the bracelet, but making the medals is always a great achievement.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Divitts. on February 02, 2013, 13:24:26 PM
A quick question. Is the high roller event only open to amateurs or can pros play?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Des on February 02, 2013, 13:48:31 PM

A quick question. Is the high roller event only open to amateurs or can pros play?


The high roller is actually the WCOAP Open Championship, so open to pros.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: n1cko2001 on February 02, 2013, 15:04:13 PM
Do I have to register with DTD to come and play? If yes, how do I do that...
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: cashman on February 02, 2013, 15:11:51 PM

Do I have to register with DTD to come and play? If yes, how do I do that...


you have to become a member to get in to DTD and it totally free

you can register online  

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Paulie_D on February 02, 2013, 15:12:59 PM


Do I have to register with DTD to come and play? If yes, how do I do that...


you have to become a member to get in to DTD and it totally free

you can register online  

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/


But you will still need to take ID with you the first time to finish the process.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: n1cko2001 on February 02, 2013, 15:17:25 PM



Do I have to register with DTD to come and play? If yes, how do I do that...


you have to become a member to get in to DTD and it totally free

you can register online  

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/


But you will still need to take ID with you the first time to finish the process.


Ty both :)  + whats the structure for these events.. chips/levels etc..
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: s4ooter on February 02, 2013, 23:43:27 PM
Book us in for an anaylist slot ;)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: George2Loose on February 03, 2013, 00:07:42 AM
Would love to guest anaylise
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: AceOnTheRiver on February 03, 2013, 10:35:08 AM

Would love to guest anaylise


With the greatest of respect to all of the other volunteers, who each offer varying levels of entertainment, I would love to hear George"s analysis!!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Fatcatstu on February 03, 2013, 11:08:45 AM
Get off my bandwagon you lot, i was first :p
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: bigalhx3 on February 03, 2013, 13:27:34 PM

Get off my bandwagon you lot, i was first :p


I will not be getting on your bangwagon stu as i will be playing poker or standing at the bar with Ger
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Peter Thorpe on February 03, 2013, 15:13:53 PM


Right ill do all of my comments / questions in one swoop, seems the easiest way to do this.

1. What"s the rule regarding multi-tabling? Player of the Series sounds like something I wanna win :D
2. You say reserved seats, even if all fill up will there be a late reg to events? Just in case some idiot busts level 2 in fixed limit xD
3. Does reserving a seat commit you to play that event?
4. If there"s a space going on apat tv, I"d love to come on for an hour or so. Always got time for you guys and doing some analysis/banter sounds like something I really wanna be a part of

5. **** off, I don"t want another damn silver again! ;-)


1.  TBC, as said elsewhere we"ll confirm once we"ve had our next meeting with the venue.  It might be that players can register for a second event but blind out while they are still in the first.

2.  There won"t be late registration, but there will be alternates for the first two levels. 

3.  No, but we need a common sense approach on both sides. Players should only reserve if they are serious about playing. If you have good chips after a few levels in the early event then release the seat for the second event at the cash desk.

4.  There will definitely be an opportunity. We"ll announce a new hostess over the weekend and schedule some slots for analysts alongside her.

5.  These events are all about the bracelet, but making the medals is always a great achievement.


1. Fair enough be good to know if we can jump between tables
2. Good to know
3. Thats very good to know, ill probably reserve seats in everything but the HR now i know that
4. Fantastic look forward to it :D
5. Love the new bracelets, really do, fantastic idea that one :D
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 03, 2013, 15:44:49 PM
I"m definitely up for analysing the guests.

I"m thinking of running a separate live stream, a bit like Soccer Saturday, where people at home can watch people watching people playing poker.

I think it will be HUGE !!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Gup9y on February 03, 2013, 18:47:33 PM
Great idea Leigh, think you stole that from me lol
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Paulie_D on February 03, 2013, 19:19:20 PM


Get off my bandwagon you lot, i was first :p


I will not be getting on your bangwagon stu as i will be playing poker or standing at the bar with Ger Paulie


Ger won"t be there, I"ll substitute.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Lambert180 on February 04, 2013, 13:23:04 PM
Hey guys,

Looking forward to my first appearance at the WCOAP, after playing my first APAT tourney a couple of weeks ago (the team evetn @ Luton).

I don"t know if this has been asked before/I"m being blind and can"t see it, but have the structures for all the tournies been posted anywhere yet? I can guess what most of them will be like, probably fairly standard but I"m interested to know how deep and how fast the HU structure... The fast + shallower the better :)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 04, 2013, 13:26:58 PM

Hey guys,

Looking forward to my first appearance at the WCOAP, after playing my first APAT tourney a couple of weeks ago (the team evetn @ Luton).

I don"t know if this has been asked before/I"m being blind and can"t see it, but have the structures for all the tournies been posted anywhere yet? I can guess what most of them will be like, probably fairly standard but I"m interested to know how deep and how fast the HU structure... The fast + shallower the better :)


Structures will be posted up in the next few days
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: andrizu on February 04, 2013, 16:16:54 PM
Just another quick one folks.

I"m guessing DTD will be running their normal tournaments alongside this schedule? :)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Paulie_D on February 04, 2013, 16:39:57 PM

Just another quick one folks.

I"m guessing DTD will be running their normal tournaments alongside this schedule? :)


I would expect so but there may be some moving about.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: SirPercival on February 04, 2013, 19:23:23 PM


Hey guys,

Looking forward to my first appearance at the WCOAP, after playing my first APAT tourney a couple of weeks ago (the team evetn @ Luton).

I don"t know if this has been asked before/I"m being blind and can"t see it, but have the structures for all the tournies been posted anywhere yet? I can guess what most of them will be like, probably fairly standard but I"m interested to know how deep and how fast the HU structure... The fast + shallower the better :)


Structures will be posted up in the next few days


Is that before or after the weekend we find out about the new hostess?  ::)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 05, 2013, 11:00:28 AM
Provisional Structures can be viewed here (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=13243.0)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: ian.ski309 on February 05, 2013, 11:29:36 AM
Will the Team Event be NLHE STT, PLO STT, HU and NLHE MTT as per last year ?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 05, 2013, 11:32:33 AM

Will the Team Event be NLHE STT, PLO STT, HU and NLHE MTT as per last year ?


It will be a combination of NLHE & PLO STT"s, trying to squeeze in a NLHE MTT.  Definitely no Heads Up round, but there will be the inclusion of the Heads Up Shootout Medal Matches as seen at the recent Home Internationals Team Event.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: ian.ski309 on February 05, 2013, 11:36:28 AM


Will the Team Event be NLHE STT, PLO STT, HU and NLHE MTT as per last year ?


It will be a combination of NLHE & PLO STT"s, trying to squeeze in a NLHE MTT.  Definitely no Heads Up round, but there will be the inclusion of the Heads Up Shootout Medal Matches as seen at the recent Home Internationals Team Event.


Thanks Leigh.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: fandango on February 05, 2013, 12:44:56 PM

Provisional Structures can be viewed here (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=13243.0)


Trying to cast my mind back, to former 6 max events, but did APAT have antes kick in level 5?

May be mistaken.. As I think I busted before then  ;D
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 05, 2013, 13:49:36 PM


Provisional Structures can be viewed here (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=13243.0)


Trying to cast my mind back, to former 6 max events, but did APAT have antes kick in level 5?

May be mistaken.. As I think I busted before then  ;D

It"s been a busy morning  ;)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Slim Chance on February 05, 2013, 13:54:54 PM
In the structures there are no break times mentioned for the HORSE, Stud , Razz.
Am I right in assuming that they are every 2 hrs like in the Omaha and Holdem?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 05, 2013, 14:11:09 PM

In the structures there are no break times mentioned for the HORSE, Stud , Razz.
Am I right in assuming that they are every 2 hrs like in the Omaha and Holdem?


Pretty much.  Breaks will be slotted in on the day to fit with DTD staffing, but roughly every 2 hours will be about right.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: fandango on February 05, 2013, 15:20:44 PM



Provisional Structures can be viewed here (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=13243.0)


Trying to cast my mind back, to former 6 max events, but did APAT have antes kick in level 5?

May be mistaken.. As I think I busted before then  ;D

It"s been a busy morning  ;)


Indeed I bet the laptop is smoking hot!!  :o

Antes.... Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: AceOnTheRiver on February 05, 2013, 18:16:27 PM
Well done APAT; this could be the best yet!!

Question regarding the Open event; Do you not think the structure is maybe a little shallow for such a relatively high buy in when compared to other events DTD run.

I appreciate its a late start and there"s a lot to cram in but can this be looked at?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 05, 2013, 18:29:31 PM

Well done APAT; this could be the best yet!!

Question regarding the Open event; Do you not think the structure is maybe a little shallow for such a relatively high buy in when compared to other events DTD run.

I appreciate its a late start and there"s a lot to cram in but can this be looked at?


That"s a provisional structure, just waiting on DTD to confirm that the predicted finish time is about right, or if we can pop a few more levels into it.

Bearing in mind, we will hopefully increase the capacity if there are enough numbers for it.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: KarmaDope on February 05, 2013, 20:42:41 PM
For the ME - I think that"s the usual £75 structure. It"s £100 this time - can we have 20k instead of 15k?

For the Stud games - instead of ante"ing up every hand for the first few levels (when the ante is high in relation to the bring in etc) can we make it so that the button antes every hand, that way then it could go like this (btn ante)-BI-COMP-RAISE:

Level 1: (50) 25-50-100
Level 2: (100) 25-75-150
Level 3: (150) 25-100-200
Level 4: (250) 50-200-400
Level 5: Everybody antes up as on the structure.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Sugar_Free on February 05, 2013, 22:14:07 PM

For the ME - I think that"s the usual £75 structure. It"s £100 this time - can we have 20k instead of 15k?


Agree. The worlds were 5K more than the national events previously to reflect the higher buy in. Just because we"re getting better value in the nationals now, doesn"t mean we don"t want better, better value in the wcoap lol.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: KarmaDope on February 08, 2013, 06:33:18 AM
Bumping this to get more opinions on the structures - particularly the Stud games.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: DodgyEnd (Tom APAT.be) on February 08, 2013, 08:55:42 AM
For the Open event I agree that the structure should be better because of the higher buyin.
Not really an opinion for the Stud games as I don"t play them alot...
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Paulie_D on February 08, 2013, 11:11:46 AM


For the Stud games - instead of ante"ing up every hand for the first few levels (when the ante is high in relation to the bring in etc) can we make it so that the button antes every hand, that way then it could go like this (btn ante)-BI-COMP-RAISE:

Level 1: (50) 25-50-100
Level 2: (100) 25-75-150
Level 3: (150) 25-100-200
Level 4: (250) 50-200-400
Level 5: Everybody antes up as on the structure.


Technically there is no button in Stud but I understand what you are saying.

I actually agree with this, it makes more sense at the lower levels.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: AJDUK on February 08, 2013, 14:14:18 PM



For the Stud games - instead of ante"ing up every hand for the first few levels (when the ante is high in relation to the bring in etc) can we make it so that the button antes every hand, that way then it could go like this (btn ante)-BI-COMP-RAISE:

Level 1: (50) 25-50-100
Level 2: (100) 25-75-150
Level 3: (150) 25-100-200
Level 4: (250) 50-200-400
Level 5: Everybody antes up as on the structure.


Technically there is no button in Stud but I understand what you are saying.

I actually agree with this, it makes more sense at the lower levels.


I disagree; it"s daft IMO
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Bedzilla on February 08, 2013, 14:41:49 PM
How come only 10,000 chips in the Omaha? Is it a super turbo?!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Slim Chance on February 11, 2013, 13:06:32 PM




For the Stud games - instead of ante"ing up every hand for the first few levels (when the ante is high in relation to the bring in etc) can we make it so that the button antes every hand, that way then it could go like this (btn ante)-BI-COMP-RAISE:

Level 1: (50) 25-50-100
Level 2: (100) 25-75-150
Level 3: (150) 25-100-200
Level 4: (250) 50-200-400
Level 5: Everybody antes up as on the structure.


Technically there is no button in Stud but I understand what you are saying.

I actually agree with this, it makes more sense at the lower levels.


I disagree; it"s daft IMO

+1
Not appropriate in Stud.

If there are concerns about the size of antes compared with bring-ins, just make the stakes higher and the starting stacks larger
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Paulie_D on February 11, 2013, 13:26:03 PM


If there are concerns about the size of antes compared with bring-ins, just make the stakes higher and the starting stacks larger


Not a bad idea.

How about we leave the antes as per the current structure, double bring in / SB & BB and increase the starting stack to 10K



LEVEL      ANTE      BRING IN      LIMIT      TIME
  1       25      50    100 - 200 30
  2       25      50    150 - 300 30
  3       25      50   200 - 400 30
  4       50      100   300 - 600 30
  5       50      100   400 - 800 30
  6       75      150   600 - 1200 30
  7      100    200   800 - 1600 30
  8      150    300 1200 - 2400 30
  9      200    400 1600 - 3200 30
10       300   600 2000 -4000 30
11       400   800 2400 - 4800 30
12       500    1000 3000 - 6000 30
13       600    1200 4000 - 8000 30
14       800    1600 6000 - 12000 30
15    1000  2000 8000 - 16000 30
16     1500 3000 12000 - 24000 30
17     2000 4000 16000 - 32000       30


Too much?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 11, 2013, 13:55:53 PM

Well done APAT; this could be the best yet!!

Question regarding the Open event; Do you not think the structure is maybe a little shallow for such a relatively high buy in when compared to other events DTD run.

I appreciate its a late start and there"s a lot to cram in but can this be looked at?


We"ve had a response back from DTD.  They"ve had a look at the structure and run the numbers through.  They predict it will run for around 9hrs with a 3am-4am finish.  If anything, they would like to see a couple of levels removed, but I"d suggest we will leave it as it stands at the moment.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 11, 2013, 13:57:52 PM

How come only 10,000 chips in the Omaha? Is it a super turbo?!


If this isn"t a level, then I"d love to know what sort of structure you would like to fit into a 1 day event.

I"m sure most players that have played this event before would agree that the structure is about right.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Paulie_D on February 11, 2013, 14:47:03 PM


How come only 10,000 chips in the Omaha? Is it a super turbo?!


If this isn"t a level, then I"d love to know what sort of structure you would like to fit into a 1 day event.

I"m sure most players that have played this event before would agree that the structure is about right.


I"m one...and I like to think I"m a discerning PLO Tournament player.....structure looks fine to me.

On the other hand...the Stud.  ;D
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Bedzilla on February 11, 2013, 15:06:58 PM


How come only 10,000 chips in the Omaha? Is it a super turbo?!


If this isn"t a level, then I"d love to know what sort of structure you would like to fit into a 1 day event.

I"m sure most players that have played this event before would agree that the structure is about right.


I play many live Omaha tourneys and this seems super shallow. Working on the basis of 1.08 million chips in play (108 runners) in 8 hours of play (level 16) there will be 100 BB in play or 33 each if 3 left. Is the tourney aiming to be over in 8-10 hours?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Bedzilla on February 11, 2013, 15:15:34 PM
On a completely different note................ Is there any way that the HU tourney may be increased to 128 runners if demand is such? It will only be one more round and will double the prize pool. If D2D are worried about the table space, they can always have 2 games running on each table with the dealers sitting between the 2 players (have played this way before to save on table space). Just a thought as I am on the waiting list for this and am keen to play in it!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 11, 2013, 15:21:40 PM



How come only 10,000 chips in the Omaha? Is it a super turbo?!


If this isn"t a level, then I"d love to know what sort of structure you would like to fit into a 1 day event.

I"m sure most players that have played this event before would agree that the structure is about right.


I play many live Omaha tourneys and this seems super shallow. Working on the basis of 1.08 million chips in play (108 runners) in 8 hours of play (level 16) there will be 100 BB in play or 33 each if 3 left. Is the tourney aiming to be over in 8-10 hours?


To give you an idea of the timings using this structure :-

Season 5 WCOAP - 108 Runners - 11hrs play
Season 6 ECOAP - 81 Runners - 9hrs play
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 11, 2013, 15:25:37 PM

On a completely different note................ Is there any way that the HU tourney may be increased to 128 runners if demand is such? It will only be one more round and will double the prize pool. If D2D are worried about the table space, they can always have 2 games running on each table with the dealers sitting between the 2 players (have played this way before to save on table space). Just a thought as I am on the waiting list for this and am keen to play in it!


Appreciate the thoughts, but they already do this anyway with the tables.  Space is certainly not the issue.

The first Heads Up event we ran had 32 runners, last year we doubled that to 64 runners.  This year we have tweeked the structure to try and give a bit more play, but if we doubled the runnners, we would have to reduce the structures to get the games in on the Bank Holiday Monday.

It"s not as simple as saying it"s just one more round, you are actually doubling the number of games to be played.  We know it"s popular and are in discussions with DTD around all of the events to see if there is anything we can do to create more seats.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: AMRN on February 11, 2013, 16:50:00 PM



How come only 10,000 chips in the Omaha? Is it a super turbo?!


If this isn"t a level, then I"d love to know what sort of structure you would like to fit into a 1 day event.

I"m sure most players that have played this event before would agree that the structure is about right.


I play many live Omaha tourneys and this seems super shallow. Working on the basis of 1.08 million chips in play (108 runners) in 8 hours of play (level 16) there will be 100 BB in play or 33 each if 3 left. Is the tourney aiming to be over in 8-10 hours?


I"ve reached the latter stages of this tourney in two of the last three years (yeah I know, blatant brag), and suggest that the structure is just about spot on.... it runs for around 10-12 hours, which for a £50 tourney is pretty decent.   Yeah it gets shovey for a while when it"s around 20-30 runners (from ~100-110 starters), but then all tournaments have their shove points.  I would love to see all tournaments play deeper... but I would also love to get to bed at a semi reasonable hour too.

Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: AceOnTheRiver on February 11, 2013, 21:39:14 PM


Well done APAT; this could be the best yet!!

Question regarding the Open event; Do you not think the structure is maybe a little shallow for such a relatively high buy in when compared to other events DTD run.

I appreciate its a late start and there"s a lot to cram in but can this be looked at?


We"ve had a response back from DTD.  They"ve had a look at the structure and run the numbers through.  They predict it will run for around 9hrs with a 3am-4am finish.  If anything, they would like to see a couple of levels removed, but I"d suggest we will leave it as it stands at the moment.


Thanks Leigh, can"t do anything with the start time no?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Sugar_Free on February 11, 2013, 22:45:23 PM


For the ME - I think that"s the usual £75 structure. It"s £100 this time - can we have 20k instead of 15k?


Agree. The worlds were 5K more than the national events previously to reflect the higher buy in. Just because we"re getting better value in the nationals now, doesn"t mean we don"t want better, better value in the wcoap lol.


Any thoughts on this, guys?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 11, 2013, 22:57:33 PM



For the ME - I think that"s the usual £75 structure. It"s £100 this time - can we have 20k instead of 15k?


Agree. The worlds were 5K more than the national events previously to reflect the higher buy in. Just because we"re getting better value in the nationals now, doesn"t mean we don"t want better, better value in the wcoap lol.


Any thoughts on this, guys?


The structure is already spot on from a timing point of view for two day ones and final day.  If we put another 33% of chips in play, this will add considerable time to the ultimate finish time, mostly because of the additional numbers brought back for the final day.

However we play about with starting stacks and levels, we have been running these for long enough now to have a very good understanding on timings.

Of course, if everyone promises not to play like the nittiest nits, we could give you all 50k to start and watch the carnage unfold  ;)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Sugar_Free on February 11, 2013, 23:35:24 PM




For the ME - I think that"s the usual £75 structure. It"s £100 this time - can we have 20k instead of 15k?


Agree. The worlds were 5K more than the national events previously to reflect the higher buy in. Just because we"re getting better value in the nationals now, doesn"t mean we don"t want better, better value in the wcoap lol.


Any thoughts on this, guys?


The structure is already spot on from a timing point of view for two day ones and final day.  If we put another 33% of chips in play, this will add considerable time to the ultimate finish time, mostly because of the additional numbers brought back for the final day.

However we play about with starting stacks and levels, we have been running these for long enough now to have a very good understanding on timings.

Of course, if everyone promises not to play like the nittiest nits, we could give you all 50k to start and watch the carnage unfold  ;)


With rebuys?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 11, 2013, 23:38:40 PM



Well done APAT; this could be the best yet!!

Question regarding the Open event; Do you not think the structure is maybe a little shallow for such a relatively high buy in when compared to other events DTD run.

I appreciate its a late start and there"s a lot to cram in but can this be looked at?


We"ve had a response back from DTD.  They"ve had a look at the structure and run the numbers through.  They predict it will run for around 9hrs with a 3am-4am finish.  If anything, they would like to see a couple of levels removed, but I"d suggest we will leave it as it stands at the moment.


Thanks Leigh, can"t do anything with the start time no?


Struggling due to the number of tables earlier in the day as we have the 6 max and team event on.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Peter Thorpe on February 14, 2013, 01:54:46 AM
1. Could it be the worlds has finally outgrown one day events? I understand completely that the mere thought of this is a logistical ballache but it looks fit to burst!

2. I"d agree the stud could do with tweaks (talking from experience here) but only minor ones, the idea of 10k stacks and all that is mental for a 1 day event...if they ever make these 2 day events then maybe...i like the idea of a button posting antes early on, but that seems more suited to the HORSE comp than anything else...like i dont think its possible to give stud any more legroom, last time we played deep into the night and had very little time left (that said hitting the level cap sucked, could do with maybe 1 or 2 levels more in the middle somewhere? Id have happily finished an hour later than having 15 big bets / 30 small bets on the entire table)

3. Omaha"s fine, no reason to change that all that much

4. HU as 128 runners would be sick, i agree that double the prize pool is all lovely...but thats 64 dealers on 32 tables...sure not impossible seeing as its on the "quietest" day...but my god that"d be a nightmare from just about everyone"s point of view...i agree with leigh, they"d have to effectively nuke the structure to make that fit!

5. The main event structure is perfectly fine, sure because its a £100 it should have a better structure but again your looking at time constraints, maybe adding levels would work better, give it its own structure? would that make people happier? perhaps...but the event looks fine as it is.

6. Where"s my shootout events! :D :D

Basically its poker players doing what they do best, asking for immense structures in infinitely short timeframes...but guys seriously, it looks time, next season...to MAYBE turn this into a week long affair? i understand why its a 5 day series completely...but worlds? surely that one could justify a week or even more?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Bedzilla on February 14, 2013, 08:52:11 AM

1. Could it be the worlds has finally outgrown one day events? I understand completely that the mere thought of this is a logistical ballache but it looks fit to burst!

2. I"d agree the stud could do with tweaks (talking from experience here) but only minor ones, the idea of 10k stacks and all that is mental for a 1 day event...if they ever make these 2 day events then maybe...i like the idea of a button posting antes early on, but that seems more suited to the HORSE comp than anything else...like i dont think its possible to give stud any more legroom, last time we played deep into the night and had very little time left (that said hitting the level cap sucked, could do with maybe 1 or 2 levels more in the middle somewhere? Id have happily finished an hour later than having 15 big bets / 30 small bets on the entire table)

3. Omaha"s fine, no reason to change that all that much

4. HU as 128 runners would be sick, i agree that double the prize pool is all lovely...but thats 64 dealers on 32 tables...sure not impossible seeing as its on the "quietest" day...but my god that"d be a nightmare from just about everyone"s point of view...i agree with leigh, they"d have to effectively nuke the structure to make that fit!

5. The main event structure is perfectly fine, sure because its a £100 it should have a better structure but again your looking at time constraints, maybe adding levels would work better, give it its own structure? would that make people happier? perhaps...but the event looks fine as it is.

6. Where"s my shootout events! :D :D

Basically its poker players doing what they do best, asking for immense structures in infinitely short timeframes...but guys seriously, it looks time, next season...to MAYBE turn this into a week long affair? i understand why its a 5 day series completely...but worlds? surely that one could justify a week or even more?



Just in regard to the last comment..... I totally agree. It seems a shame to call this the WCOAP when there is a cap on players and only running one day events (except the main). It seems like only the people who hear about the release are lucky enough to guarantee themselves a seat. Perhaps next time you can look into running 2 day events with bigger fields to really challenge people.

Having said that, well done for all of the organisational effort you have put in, don"t wish to seem ungrateful for your hard work..........just a thought.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: AMRN on February 14, 2013, 09:32:51 AM


1. Could it be the worlds has finally outgrown one day events? I understand completely that the mere thought of this is a logistical ballache but it looks fit to burst!

2. I"d agree the stud could do with tweaks (talking from experience here) but only minor ones, the idea of 10k stacks and all that is mental for a 1 day event...if they ever make these 2 day events then maybe...i like the idea of a button posting antes early on, but that seems more suited to the HORSE comp than anything else...like i dont think its possible to give stud any more legroom, last time we played deep into the night and had very little time left (that said hitting the level cap sucked, could do with maybe 1 or 2 levels more in the middle somewhere? Id have happily finished an hour later than having 15 big bets / 30 small bets on the entire table)

3. Omaha"s fine, no reason to change that all that much

4. HU as 128 runners would be sick, i agree that double the prize pool is all lovely...but thats 64 dealers on 32 tables...sure not impossible seeing as its on the "quietest" day...but my god that"d be a nightmare from just about everyone"s point of view...i agree with leigh, they"d have to effectively nuke the structure to make that fit!

5. The main event structure is perfectly fine, sure because its a £100 it should have a better structure but again your looking at time constraints, maybe adding levels would work better, give it its own structure? would that make people happier? perhaps...but the event looks fine as it is.

6. Where"s my shootout events! :D :D

Basically its poker players doing what they do best, asking for immense structures in infinitely short timeframes...but guys seriously, it looks time, next season...to MAYBE turn this into a week long affair? i understand why its a 5 day series completely...but worlds? surely that one could justify a week or even more?



Just in regard to the last comment..... I totally agree. It seems a shame to call this the WCOAP when there is a cap on players and only running one day events (except the main). It seems like only the people who hear about the release are lucky enough to guarantee themselves a seat. Perhaps next time you can look into running 2 day events with bigger fields to really challenge people.

Having said that, well done for all of the organisational effort you have put in, don"t wish to seem ungrateful for your hard work..........just a thought.


You have to remember that this is run on a shoestring. The buy ins are all kept "affordable", which means the juice is very low compared to other events that DTD run - they are not getting paid a great deal, but we"re asking them to provide a vast array of variants for five consecutive days. I"m amazed that we have what we have - to push for more would be perhaps a step too far.  I suspect DTD won"t actually make anything on the juice as it is - stretching it out over more days is just going to mean a need to push up the buy ins so that the juice pot is bigger..... and that would go against the APAT ethos of keeping poker affordable.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Paulie_D on February 14, 2013, 09:51:42 AM
Quote


I"d agree the stud could do with tweaks (talking from experience here) but only minor ones, the idea of 10k stacks and all that is mental for a 1 day event.



Has anyone even run the numbers of the revised structure I proposed?

Remember I made the stacks about 65% bigger but the blinds 100% bigger. Seems to me that the time-frame should be about the same.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: deanp27 on February 14, 2013, 13:13:20 PM


1. Could it be the worlds has finally outgrown one day events? I understand completely that the mere thought of this is a logistical ballache but it looks fit to burst!

2. I"d agree the stud could do with tweaks (talking from experience here) but only minor ones, the idea of 10k stacks and all that is mental for a 1 day event...if they ever make these 2 day events then maybe...i like the idea of a button posting antes early on, but that seems more suited to the HORSE comp than anything else...like i dont think its possible to give stud any more legroom, last time we played deep into the night and had very little time left (that said hitting the level cap sucked, could do with maybe 1 or 2 levels more in the middle somewhere? Id have happily finished an hour later than having 15 big bets / 30 small bets on the entire table)

3. Omaha"s fine, no reason to change that all that much

4. HU as 128 runners would be sick, i agree that double the prize pool is all lovely...but thats 64 dealers on 32 tables...sure not impossible seeing as its on the "quietest" day...but my god that"d be a nightmare from just about everyone"s point of view...i agree with leigh, they"d have to effectively nuke the structure to make that fit!

5. The main event structure is perfectly fine, sure because its a £100 it should have a better structure but again your looking at time constraints, maybe adding levels would work better, give it its own structure? would that make people happier? perhaps...but the event looks fine as it is.

6. Where"s my shootout events! :D :D

Basically its poker players doing what they do best, asking for immense structures in infinitely short timeframes...but guys seriously, it looks time, next season...to MAYBE turn this into a week long affair? i understand why its a 5 day series completely...but worlds? surely that one could justify a week or even more?



Just in regard to the last comment..... I totally agree. It seems a shame to call this the WCOAP when there is a cap on players and only running one day events (except the main). It seems like only the people who hear about the release are lucky enough to guarantee themselves a seat. Perhaps next time you can look into running 2 day events with bigger fields to really challenge people.

Having said that, well done for all of the organisational effort you have put in, don"t wish to seem ungrateful for your hard work..........just a thought.


Anything more than 1 day for £50 events and below is stretching it a bit tbh. Personally think it is very unique to have a £75 (or £100 event here) that is 2 days long. Personally I wouldn"t want to play stud (or any other game for that matter) for a day and a half to win a bowl. The structures are very good as they are imo and stretching it further just wouldn"t be economically viable.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Slim Chance on February 14, 2013, 13:56:47 PM

Quote


I"d agree the stud could do with tweaks (talking from experience here) but only minor ones, the idea of 10k stacks and all that is mental for a 1 day event.



Has anyone even run the numbers of the revised structure I proposed?

Remember I made the stacks about 65% bigger but the blinds 100% bigger. Seems to me that the time-frame should be about the same.


Yes I think the time frame should be about the same. It would definitely be preferable to "button bring ins" which i think is a terrible idea.

TBH, I think the original structure is fine as it is. In my experience most stud players prefer a smaller bring in, particularly in Razz where its virtually dead money.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Peter Thorpe on February 14, 2013, 15:50:42 PM
Like im not saying i dont appreciate all the work they do, nor am i saying that the structures at the moment are for the most part very nice...that said when an entire series of 10 events sells out before the first week is out...thats something that has to be noticed, sure some people wouldnt like two day events at the £50 level, but if it resulted in the event being bigger due to an increased cap then things start to change....or why not make worlds a tiny bit more expensive? would that satisfy people?...i dont know im just throwing ideas out there
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: deanp27 on February 14, 2013, 17:25:38 PM
Bear in mind that although the reserves have been met in terms of numbers there is no firm commitment on the part of each player to actually play the events they have reserved and I would expect some fall out from this. Traditionally there has been space in the main and some dropouts from the side events when the comp actually gets closer, so I wouldn"t panic too much if you are on the waiting list (imo)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 14, 2013, 19:57:13 PM

Just in regard to the last comment..... I totally agree. It seems a shame to call this the WCOAP when there is a cap on players and only running one day events (except the main). It seems like only the people who hear about the release are lucky enough to guarantee themselves a seat. Perhaps next time you can look into running 2 day events with bigger fields to really challenge people.

Having said that, well done for all of the organisational effort you have put in, don"t wish to seem ungrateful for your hard work..........just a thought.


This is the 5th annual WCOAP, which has been held at DTD for each of the past 4 years.  The dates for the WCOAP were announced early last year, emails went out to all of our membership, along with significant exposure across Facebook and Twitter.

On announcing the finalised schedule and releasing the seats, another email went out to the membership, along with even more Facebook and Twitter exposure, and numerous articles across the poker media.

It took ten days for all of the events to sell out, obviously some of the more popular ones sold out sooner, but even we were surprised at the speed of take up, especially as we have increased capacities since last year, with additional events.

One thing to remember here, this is the World Championship of Amateur Poker.  It"s aimed at amateur players that do have jobs and families and lives outside of poker.  All of our events are scheduled to cause minimal disruption to players work and other life commitments.  It would be great to run two day side events across a fortnight, but the reality is that it is not cost effective for APAT, any venue and most importantly, the players.

We"ll keep pushing the boundaries of what we can offer the poker community, but we will always do this whilst ensuring we don"t alienate those that have supported us for the past 6 seasons.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Robbiebox on February 14, 2013, 20:28:16 PM
Although the WCOAP has to be limited in its offering because of overybodys other commitments, I do think Peter has brought some interesting ideas forward that may well be worth forum discussion after Easter when we can see just how much demand there was and how successfully things ran.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 14, 2013, 20:30:29 PM

Although the WCOAP has to be limited in its offering because of overybodys other commitments, I do think Peter has brought some interesting ideas forward that may well be worth forum discussion after Easter when we can see just how much demand there was and how successfully things ran.


Completely agree with that.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Laxie on February 14, 2013, 20:34:53 PM
Problem is, demand will always be there, no matter what way they work it. 

On top of everything else, we also have to keep in mind it"s a "staff" of only 3 who run around like headless chickens at live events.  Live updates and general PR is mainly covered by just those three.  And they have day jobs they need to get back to at some point as well.  
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: jobsagoodun on February 16, 2013, 10:15:43 AM
OK - I am going to properly brown nose here - but it is only because I think people need to take a reality check. Have a look around. There is nothing like this at any other casino, run by any other francise, for any buy-in as reasonable, at such an esteemed casino, in the country and probably in the world. I can"t believe people are nit picking about the format etc. To me it is absolutely 100% spot-on, well done to APAT and all who sail in her -Hey and at the end of the day, if you don"t like it you can always do something else !!!!!!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: chrish1976 on February 18, 2013, 19:11:39 PM
I think that the buy in should be £1000 for the main event and £250 for the side event as I have already won mine.lol

On a serious note I think for the buy in level for what we get in terms of poker is excellent, and the fact they listen so much to are view and opinions we should be grateful for. As for structures it does not affect me as I will not be still in at the end anyway.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Sugar_Free on February 18, 2013, 21:47:49 PM
Any satellites?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Des on February 18, 2013, 22:28:22 PM
Working on something Matt.  Details to follow.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: LB44 on February 19, 2013, 04:58:48 AM
Hi guys, I"ve been away since I last posted and I read on uk poker news that its been sold out? I put my name down for the ones I wanted to play, when are we meant to pay for the seats? I haven"t had any emails or anything and I don"t really come on here much?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: cashman on February 19, 2013, 11:14:16 AM

Hi guys, I"ve been away since I last posted and I read on uk poker news that its been sold out? I put my name down for the ones I wanted to play, when are we meant to pay for the seats? I haven"t had any emails or anything and I don"t really come on here much?



you can pay for each event at the venue up to 30 min before the tournament starts.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: LB44 on February 19, 2013, 16:31:15 PM
Oh good. Had a horrible feeling there had been some kind of announcement that you had to pay and I had missed the deadline date.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: AAroddersAA on February 20, 2013, 11:23:38 AM
Question about the Cash Championship sorry if this has already been addressed but can"t find it.

If I buyin for £100 and need to reload how does that work, if I lose £50 can I reload £50. It says one reload, doe that have to be a full reload or can you do for example two reloads of £50?

This is actually a major point !!

Rodders
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: suzanne on February 21, 2013, 16:06:27 PM


Hi guys, I"ve been away since I last posted and I read on uk poker news that its been sold out? I put my name down for the ones I wanted to play, when are we meant to pay for the seats? I haven"t had any emails or anything and I don"t really come on here much?



you can pay for each event at the venue up to 30 min before the tournament starts.


Is this correct? Do you have to pay 30 mins before it starts?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Paulie_D on February 21, 2013, 16:14:47 PM



Hi guys, I"ve been away since I last posted and I read on uk poker news that its been sold out? I put my name down for the ones I wanted to play, when are we meant to pay for the seats? I haven"t had any emails or anything and I don"t really come on here much?



you can pay for each event at the venue up to 30 min before the tournament starts.


Is this correct? Do you have to pay 30 mins before it starts?


UP TO 30 mins....DTD (will) have a list for each event they can check off.

I"ll buy in for all my events when I arrive on Thursday.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: suzanne on February 21, 2013, 16:15:49 PM




Hi guys, I"ve been away since I last posted and I read on uk poker news that its been sold out? I put my name down for the ones I wanted to play, when are we meant to pay for the seats? I haven"t had any emails or anything and I don"t really come on here much?



you can pay for each event at the venue up to 30 min before the tournament starts.


Is this correct? Do you have to pay 30 mins before it starts?


UP TO 30 mins....


So what happens if you are running late and dont get there till after it starts?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Paulie_D on February 21, 2013, 16:16:14 PM





Hi guys, I"ve been away since I last posted and I read on uk poker news that its been sold out? I put my name down for the ones I wanted to play, when are we meant to pay for the seats? I haven"t had any emails or anything and I don"t really come on here much?



you can pay for each event at the venue up to 30 min before the tournament starts.


Is this correct? Do you have to pay 30 mins before it starts?


UP TO 30 mins....


So what happens if you are running late and dont get there till after it starts?


Don"t...or call someone to buy you in.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Paulie_D on February 21, 2013, 16:19:02 PM


Looking forward to hearing about the APAT TV Hostess.



Radio Silence....?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: suzanne on February 21, 2013, 16:19:58 PM






Hi guys, I"ve been away since I last posted and I read on uk poker news that its been sold out? I put my name down for the ones I wanted to play, when are we meant to pay for the seats? I haven"t had any emails or anything and I don"t really come on here much?



you can pay for each event at the venue up to 30 min before the tournament starts.


Is this correct? Do you have to pay 30 mins before it starts?


UP TO 30 mins....


So what happens if you are running late and dont get there till after it starts?


Don"t...


Really? I am planning to play day 1b and will be travelling up on the Sunday morning by train probably, as its Easter Sunday anything could happen on route. So if I am late do i lose my seat?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Paulie_D on February 21, 2013, 16:21:20 PM


Really? I am planning to play day 1b and will be travelling up on the Sunday morning by train probably, as its Easter Sunday anything could happen on route. So if I am late do i lose my seat?



Absent an APAT favour, that is my understanding.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Paulie_D on February 21, 2013, 16:23:33 PM



2. You say reserved seats, even if all fill up will there be a late reg to events?
3. Does reserving a seat commit you to play that event?



2.  There won"t be late registration, but there will be alternates for the first two levels. 

3.  No, but we need a common sense approach on both sides. Players should only reserve if they are serious about playing. If you have good chips after a few levels in the early event then release the seat for the second event at the cash desk.



Suz...
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: suzanne on February 21, 2013, 16:29:29 PM




2. You say reserved seats, even if all fill up will there be a late reg to events?
3. Does reserving a seat commit you to play that event?



2.  There won"t be late registration, but there will be alternates for the first two levels. 

3.  No, but we need a common sense approach on both sides. Players should only reserve if they are serious about playing. If you have good chips after a few levels in the early event then release the seat for the second event at the cash desk.



Suz...


I missed that sorry, just used to buying in online and not being too worried about turning up late as I knew my seat was secure. Presumably I will be okay as I have already won my seat via the league....I hope. Timekeeping is not one of my strong points  :D
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 Schedule Announcement & Discussion
Post by: Des on February 21, 2013, 18:22:42 PM



Looking forward to hearing about the APAT TV Hostess.



Radio Silence....?


We"re deep in negotiations.  It"s a dirty job....
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: ck1888 on February 21, 2013, 18:27:24 PM







Hi guys, I"ve been away since I last posted and I read on uk poker news that its been sold out? I put my name down for the ones I wanted to play, when are we meant to pay for the seats? I haven"t had any emails or anything and I don"t really come on here much?



you can pay for each event at the venue up to 30 min before the tournament starts.


Is this correct? Do you have to pay 30 mins before it starts?


UP TO 30 mins....


So what happens if you are running late and dont get there till after it starts?


Don"t...


Really? I am planning to play day 1b and will be travelling up on the Sunday morning by train probably, as its Easter Sunday anything could happen on route. So if I am late do i lose my seat?


I will be more than happy to pay you in Suzanne if you"re running late.

Chris.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: KarmaDope on February 21, 2013, 18:32:32 PM




Looking forward to hearing about the APAT TV Hostess.



Radio Silence....?


We"re deep in negotiations.  It"s a dirty job....


If you get stuck...we know someone who might be interested.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Peter Thorpe on February 22, 2013, 18:57:23 PM


Although the WCOAP has to be limited in its offering because of overybodys other commitments, I do think Peter has brought some interesting ideas forward that may well be worth forum discussion after Easter when we can see just how much demand there was and how successfully things ran.


Completely agree with that.


Try my best  ;)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: chrish1976 on February 22, 2013, 22:20:08 PM
I was just wondering I have already won my seat in the main event and 1 side event but I am playing 2 side events do I have to inform apat before the event which one I want to pay for or remind anyone I have won my seats already?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 23, 2013, 09:33:24 AM

I was just wondering I have already won my seat in the main event and 1 side event but I am playing 2 side events do I have to inform apat before the event which one I want to pay for or remind anyone I have won my seats already?


I"ll update my list Chris.  You"ll just need to sort entry for the 2nd of your side events.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: chrish1976 on February 23, 2013, 12:35:19 PM


I was just wondering I have already won my seat in the main event and 1 side event but I am playing 2 side events do I have to inform apat before the event which one I want to pay for or remind anyone I have won my seats already?


I"ll update my list Chris.  You"ll just need to sort entry for the 2nd of your side events.

ok thank you.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Fatcatstu on February 25, 2013, 09:28:11 AM
Leigh, could you please remove me from the lists for the stud and 6 max, I have the world team championships to be winning with England. Cheers x
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 25, 2013, 10:35:32 AM

Leigh, could you please remove me from the lists for the stud and 6 max, I have the world team championships to be winning with England. Cheers x


I"ll be going through the team lists this week and making the necessary adjustments.  Congrats btw  :)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: fandango on February 25, 2013, 12:45:13 PM
It"s probably been mentioned somewhere on here but I"m to lazy to troll..
Is there a link to see how points are awarded to those lucky enough to be playing in the team event towards POTS?
Or has it yet to be decided?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Paulie_D on February 25, 2013, 13:02:45 PM

It"s probably been mentioned somewhere on here but I"m to lazy to troll..
Is there a link to see how points are awarded to those lucky enough to be playing in the team event towards POTS?
Or has it yet to be decided?


Isn"t it usually none...?

Seems unfair to allow POTS points in a competition that this not open to all.

For those talented lucky enough to be chosen to represent a country...that should be honour/benefit enough.

But perhaps I"m rehashing an old argument...not that it"s of any interest to me.  ;D
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: fandango on February 25, 2013, 13:13:07 PM


It"s probably been mentioned somewhere on here but I"m to lazy to troll..
Is there a link to see how points are awarded to those lucky enough to be playing in the team event towards POTS?
Or has it yet to be decided?


Isn"t it usually none...?

Seems unfair to allow POTS points in a competition that this not open to all.

For those talented lucky enough to be chosen to represent a country...that should be honour/benefit enough.

But perhaps I"m rehashing an old argument...not that it"s of any interest to me.  ;D


You might be correct Paulie you usually are  ;D..

In the depths of my twisted mind I thought points where up for grabs in the team event as players might miss out on points in the side events running at same time ie. Stud and 6 max..

I"m sure Leigh or Des will confirm either way?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 25, 2013, 13:56:09 PM
As per last year, POTS ranking points will be awarded to the top individual points scorers in the team event. And as per last year, I doubt it will make any difference  ;D
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Robbiebox on February 25, 2013, 18:13:17 PM





Hi guys, I"ve been away since I last posted and I read on uk poker news that its been sold out? I put my name down for the ones I wanted to play, when are we meant to pay for the seats? I haven"t had any emails or anything and I don"t really come on here much?



you can pay for each event at the venue up to 30 min before the tournament starts.


Is this correct? Do you have to pay 30 mins before it starts?


UP TO 30 mins....


So what happens if you are running late and dont get there till after it starts?



I would like to know the answer to that as well. Me and Chris Salmon are coming down Thursday, but not leaving work till gone 3 so expecting  to get there until 6 to 6:30. We are both in for the STUD event on that night that starts at 6.
Is there anyway we can buy in online ???
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Paulie_D on February 25, 2013, 19:18:55 PM


I would like to know the answer to that as well. Me and Chris Salmon are coming down Thursday, but not leaving work till gone 3 so expecting  to get there until 6 to 6:30. We are both in for the STUD event on that night that starts at 6.
Is there anyway we can buy in online ???



The best answer is to try and get someone to buy you in before it starts.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: GatlingGob on March 06, 2013, 13:58:53 PM
Really looking forward to this event in a few weeks time and my first bring it on.  Great work by all who organised this must have been quite a headache.

Rod
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: s4ooter on March 14, 2013, 00:58:36 AM
Soooo close i can feel it!!!

(http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/s4ooter/OoooOoo-1_zpseab69cce.gif)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on March 16, 2013, 10:11:59 AM
Full details of the APAT World Championship Of Amateur Poker can be found here (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=13173.0)

The events are open to all non-professional players.  APAT membership is free.  You can reserve a seat by posting your name on the relevant thread here (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?board=135.0)

I can confirm that we have been able to extend the caps on a number of the events, so at the time of writing, players can still reserve a seat for the following events :-

Thursday 28th - WCOAP Stud Championship
Friday 29th - WCOAP Open Championship (Open to both professional and amatuer players)
Saturday 30th - WCOAP Championship Main Event Day 1a

Also, DTD are holding a number of seats exclusively for their members across the weekend.  They will have a smalll number of seats available for the folllowing events (Speak to DTD cashdesk for availability)

Friday 29th - WCOAP Six Max Championship
Friday 29th - WCOAP Open Championship (Open to both professional and amatuer players)
Saturday 30th - WCOAP Main Event Day 1a
Sunday 31st - WCOAP Main Event Day 1b
Sunday 31st - WCOAP Pot Limit Omaha Championship

Even if events are full, you can put your name down as we are running waiting lists should players drop out prior to the events.

Payment for each event needs to be made at Dusk Till Dawn upto 30 minutes prior to the tournament start time.  After that, any reserved seats will be offered to the waiting list/alternates list on the day.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: avongirl on March 16, 2013, 15:30:21 PM
Will people be held in order on the waiting list on the day, or will it be a free for all to buy in when we get to the 30 minute countdown?  (need to know whether to bring a sleeping bag and tent and start camping outside in an orderly queue!)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on March 16, 2013, 15:42:50 PM

Will people be held in order on the waiting list on the day, or will it be a free for all to buy in when we get to the 30 minute countdown?  (need to know whether to bring a sleeping bag and tent and start camping outside in an orderly queue!)


It will be new waiting/alternates list on the day.

FYI, you are top of the HORSE waiting list, and 6th on the Six Max list
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: avongirl on March 16, 2013, 22:07:09 PM
OK thanks.  So running spikes and boxing gloves needed instead.  ;D
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on March 17, 2013, 08:26:36 AM

OK thanks.  So running spikes and boxing gloves needed instead.  ;D


You now have a HORSE seat, so just one to go.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Optional on March 17, 2013, 16:00:58 PM
Just a question about the Cg Event.
How will it work with the seatings, f.e. If somebody leaves a Table will there be a Seat redraw.?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Careybear on March 17, 2013, 19:30:01 PM
Can someone link me to the picture of the bracelets please and are the people in the team events going to get them?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Des on March 17, 2013, 21:12:42 PM

Can someone link me to the picture of the bracelets please and are the people in the team events going to get them?


A couple of pix are here Carey:-

http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=13271.0

The Team Championship is a bracelet event.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Careybear on March 17, 2013, 23:32:22 PM
yay thanks...i found it right after i posted the last post of course :)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: TallPaul on March 18, 2013, 12:56:01 PM
What time does DTD open its doors on the Saturday?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Paulie_D on March 18, 2013, 13:33:42 PM

What time does DTD open its doors on the Saturday?


I think it"s normally 1pm for APAT

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/events/apat-main-event/21057
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: TallPaul on March 18, 2013, 13:50:41 PM
Thanks.  I did look on their website, but it doesn"t say what time they"re open.

1pm makes sense and it gives us plenty of time to pay for the 2pm/2.30pm events.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Optional on March 18, 2013, 19:06:17 PM
Please give Me An Answer How the Cg event Is Working,. Table draw, Sear Changes Aso.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on March 18, 2013, 20:31:52 PM

Please give Me An Answer How the Cg event Is Working,. Table draw, Sear Changes Aso.


If someone leaves, it will just be balanced as per a standard tournament where appropriate.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Optional on March 18, 2013, 22:37:14 PM
Ok! Thx For The quick Reply.

Only 10more Days...
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: troubled joe on March 19, 2013, 20:51:19 PM


Payment for each event needs to be made at Dusk Till Dawn upto 30 minutes prior to the tournament start time.  After that, any reserved seats will be offered to the waiting list/alternates list on the day.


Daft question probably and apologies if already covered, but can we make payments at DTD now or do we have to wait till the day of the event?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: chrish1976 on March 20, 2013, 23:30:09 PM


I was just wondering I have already won my seat in the main event and 1 side event but I am playing 2 side events do I have to inform apat before the event which one I want to pay for or remind anyone I have won my seats already?


I"ll update my list Chris.  You"ll just need to sort entry for the 2nd of your side events.
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Also Paul Jefferies, Karl Bursford and Jason Browes also have won there main event and 1 side event seats, just to let you know leigh.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: troubled joe on March 23, 2013, 18:11:22 PM



Payment for each event needs to be made at Dusk Till Dawn upto 30 minutes prior to the tournament start time.  After that, any reserved seats will be offered to the waiting list/alternates list on the day.


Daft question probably and apologies if already covered, but can we make payments at DTD now or do we have to wait till the day of the event?


Sorry to be a pain, but could really do with clarification on this. 

Also - and at the risk of sounding pedantic - is it a case of actually needing to have paid at least half an hour before the start time (i.e. if I arrive 45 mins before the start, but am stuck in the cash desk queue for over 15 minutes, have I lost my reserved seat)?

Cheers
Michael
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Robbiebox on March 24, 2013, 11:10:13 AM
Yes is it possible to buy in online at all?

Only expect to get to DTD about 6 on Thursday, so need to have bought in somehow before then.


I can transfer on Stars to any semi-reliable character I know, if they are prepared to pay in for me and one other ???
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on March 24, 2013, 11:38:09 AM
I have spoken with DTD and they will only be taking buyins in person at the cash desk.

As for the 30 minute rule, if there is a queue at the cash desk, we will obviously manage the situation.

We would ask players that are playing multiple days to try and buyin for their other days during a quiet time (but before the actual event day), which will also help ease long queues at the cash desk for the bigger events.

If everyone does their bit to not leave things last minute, then the 5 days will run smoothly.  We know that"s a big ask of poker players, but we"re confident it will all be great.

Leigh
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Optional on March 24, 2013, 11:48:43 AM
We will do that! Organisation is excellent
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: fandango on March 24, 2013, 14:04:27 PM

Yes is it possible to buy in online at all?

Only expect to get to DTD about 6 on Thursday, so need to have bought in somehow before then.


I can transfer on Stars to any semi-reliable character I know, if they are prepared to pay in for me and one other ???


Have sent you a pm Jon..
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: troubled joe on March 24, 2013, 15:05:51 PM

I have spoken with DTD and they will only be taking buyins in person at the cash desk.

As for the 30 minute rule, if there is a queue at the cash desk, we will obviously manage the situation.

We would ask players that are playing multiple days to try and buyin for their other days during a quiet time (but before the actual event day), which will also help ease long queues at the cash desk for the bigger events.

If everyone does their bit to not leave things last minute, then the 5 days will run smoothly.  We know that"s a big ask of poker players, but we"re confident it will all be great.

Leigh


That"s helpful, thanks.  
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: JALBSC on March 25, 2013, 16:12:25 PM
Hi,

I"ve got a mate who wants to play the 6 max but hasn"t put his name down on the reserved list.

Since it"s hit capacity, is it just a matter of going down early on the day and joining the reserved list or do DTD have some extra seats available?

Thanks

Jace
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on March 25, 2013, 16:17:26 PM

Hi,

I"ve got a mate who wants to play the 6 max but hasn"t put his name down on the reserved list.

Since it"s hit capacity, is it just a matter of going down early on the day and joining the reserved list or do DTD have some extra seats available?

Thanks

Jace


DTD have 36 seats available in person from their cashdesk.  We will also be running an alternates list for the first 3 levels.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: JALBSC on March 25, 2013, 17:19:33 PM
Ok thanks.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: AAroddersAA on March 25, 2013, 21:12:09 PM

Question about the Cash Championship sorry if this has already been addressed but can"t find it.

If I buyin for £100 and need to reload how does that work, if I lose £50 can I reload £50. It says one reload, doe that have to be a full reload or can you do for example two reloads of £50?

This is actually a major point !!

Rodders

Hi Guy"s

Sorry to be a pain but I have yet to see any clarification on this? Have I missed a post or are we still waiting?

Is this event a standard cash game (this was my understanding)? There seems to be some suggestion that it is actually the same event that was run in Brighton earlier this year. I understand that I may not have been paying full attention and missed the announcement but I chose to play this rather than the PLO or six-max because I thought it was a cash game (even though I did understand there was some sort of limitation on topping up). Not a problem either way, but would like to know so that I know what i am doing each day.

Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: duke3016 on March 25, 2013, 21:14:25 PM

Not a problem either way, but would like to know so that I know what i am doing each day.


To be fair, that would be a first  ;D
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Fatcatstu on March 25, 2013, 23:06:08 PM


Question about the Cash Championship sorry if this has already been addressed but can"t find it.

If I buyin for £100 and need to reload how does that work, if I lose £50 can I reload £50. It says one reload, doe that have to be a full reload or can you do for example two reloads of £50?

This is actually a major point !!

Rodders

Hi Guy"s

Sorry to be a pain but I have yet to see any clarification on this? Have I missed a post or are we still waiting?

Is this event a standard cash game (this was my understanding)? There seems to be some suggestion that it is actually the same event that was run in Brighton earlier this year. I understand that I may not have been paying full attention and missed the announcement but I chose to play this rather than the PLO or six-max because I thought it was a cash game (even though I did understand there was some sort of limitation on topping up). Not a problem either way, but would like to know so that I know what i am doing each day.




Listen to the podcast, its explained on there i believe.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: AAroddersAA on March 26, 2013, 17:50:55 PM



Question about the Cash Championship sorry if this has already been addressed but can"t find it.

If I buyin for £100 and need to reload how does that work, if I lose £50 can I reload £50. It says one reload, doe that have to be a full reload or can you do for example two reloads of £50?

This is actually a major point !!

Rodders

Hi Guy"s

Sorry to be a pain but I have yet to see any clarification on this? Have I missed a post or are we still waiting?

Is this event a standard cash game (this was my understanding)? There seems to be some suggestion that it is actually the same event that was run in Brighton earlier this year. I understand that I may not have been paying full attention and missed the announcement but I chose to play this rather than the PLO or six-max because I thought it was a cash game (even though I did understand there was some sort of limitation on topping up). Not a problem either way, but would like to know so that I know what i am doing each day.




Listen to the podcast, its explained on there i believe.

Listened a couple of times now and I might be missing the obvious (which has been known) but it sounds like the question is asked but never really answered. Des just say they will be running it in conjunction with DTD.

Can somebody just answer the question, the event is in 5 days and I asked it over a month ago :-)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on March 26, 2013, 17:57:09 PM

but it sounds like the question is asked but never really answered.


Sorry Steve, but I LOL"d very much at this  ;D

This is very much a question for Des, and I will make sure he is pointed at it to give you an answer in time for the weekend.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: AAroddersAA on March 26, 2013, 18:17:01 PM


but it sounds like the question is asked but never really answered.


Sorry Steve, but I LOL"d very much at this  ;D

This is very much a question for Des, and I will make sure he is pointed at it to give you an answer in time for the weekend.

That"s Cool, thanks Leigh. As I said not worried either way just would like to know.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: AceOnTheRiver on March 26, 2013, 19:56:12 PM



but it sounds like the question is asked but never really answered.


Sorry Steve, but I LOL"d very much at this  ;D

This is very much a question for Des, and I will make sure he is pointed at it to give you an answer in time for the weekend.

That"s Cool, thanks Leigh. As I said not worried either way just would like to know.


jeez I"d hate to see what you"re like when you are  ;)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: KarmaDope on March 26, 2013, 20:42:28 PM




but it sounds like the question is asked but never really answered.


Sorry Steve, but I LOL"d very much at this  ;D

This is very much a question for Des, and I will make sure he is pointed at it to give you an answer in time for the weekend.

That"s Cool, thanks Leigh. As I said not worried either way just would like to know.


jeez I"d hate to see what you"re like when you are  ;)


I"m guessing like this:

(http://micapie.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/2166953-gollum.png)

(Sorry Steve :) Couldn"t resist!)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Des on March 26, 2013, 22:44:11 PM
Lol too funny Steve. I explained it in great detail at one point in the recording, but it looks as if that"s been cut out. :)

So here is the summary of how the Event will run:-

WCOAP Cash Championship

The event is run over two timed phases and the key features are as follows:-

Phase One:

- The first phase will run over several tables for a three hour period.

- Players must buy in for £100 + a one off 10% fee.

- Players will be able to have one optional rebuy of £100 if they lose their entire first stack.  Their will be no fee on their rebuy.

- Players will be assigned a table and seat number as in tournament play.

- Blinds will be static at 50p / £1 in the first phase.

- Players can opt to leave with the cash in front of them. However, once they have exited, they cannot buy back in.

- There will be no alternates or late buy ins.

- Tables are balanced following exits as a tournament would be.

- At the end of the first phase, the leading eight cash stacks are carried forward to the final table.

- The game is over for the remaining players and they keep whatever cash is left in front of them.

Phase Two:-

- The final phase will run over three hours.

- The blinds will increase to £1 / £2.

- Players will draw for seat position.

- If players have not used their single rebuy, they can choose to add it to their stack before play recommences in phase two.

- Players can again choose to leave the final table at any point with the cash in front of them.

- The player who is either the last standing, or has the largest stack left after the three hour phase two period will be the event winner.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: AAroddersAA on March 26, 2013, 22:48:49 PM
:-)

Cheers Des
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Crazysquaw on March 27, 2013, 20:22:47 PM
Hi, please remove Stefania & David Judge from ME1B - apologies, can no longer attend.
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: GJ on March 27, 2013, 21:14:05 PM
Hi, are there any seats still available for day 1a?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Hmmm...really... on March 29, 2013, 00:43:34 AM
Hi,

  Sorry in advance :-/ can someone tell me the best way to stand a chance of playing the main event on Saturday or Sunday?

I understand its pretty late in the day but is there a list I can put my name down on etc?


Thanks :)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on March 29, 2013, 11:33:44 AM
Hi All,

There are still seats available for both Day 1"s via the cashdesk at DTD.  You will need to buyin in person, but if you know someone who is already at DTD, they can buyin for you to ensure you have a seat.

There may be seats remaining on the day, and we will be running an alternates list for the first three levels, but we can"t guarantee you a seat that way.  We would hope to be able to accomodate everyone that wants to play though.


Leigh
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Hmmm...really... on March 29, 2013, 12:54:45 PM
Many thanks for the information Leigh :)
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: BOINGBLITZ on March 29, 2013, 15:45:05 PM
any links for the live feed please ??
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Swinebag on March 29, 2013, 15:46:35 PM

any links for the live feed please ??


http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/live.php
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: BOINGBLITZ on March 29, 2013, 15:57:07 PM
TY Roberto
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: BOINGBLITZ on March 29, 2013, 16:01:56 PM
NO PICTURES HERE?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Swinebag on March 29, 2013, 16:13:34 PM

TY Roberto


NP Brininho


NO PICTURES HERE?


ITS NOT RUNNING UNTIL LATER
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: BOINGBLITZ on March 29, 2013, 16:17:29 PM
LOL...thanx ROB
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: jarb88 on March 31, 2013, 10:02:32 AM
Anyone know what time DTD opens today? Being kicked out of BnB soon....  :-\
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Paulie_D on March 31, 2013, 10:20:43 AM

Anyone know what time DTD opens today? Being kicked out of BnB soon....  :-\


1pm
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Waz1892 on March 31, 2013, 10:27:01 AM


Anyone know what time DTD opens today? Being kicked out of BnB soon....  :-\


1pm


silly question of the day, but I"ll ask it anyway

I assume if you arrive at 1pm-ish, and in the no doubt long queue to pay for today (and you"re on the original list as a guaranteed entry) if it goes past the 1.30pm cut off..you"re fine?!
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on March 31, 2013, 11:35:28 AM



Anyone know what time DTD opens today? Being kicked out of BnB soon....  :-\


1pm


silly question of the day, but I"ll ask it anyway

I assume if you arrive at 1pm-ish, and in the no doubt long queue to pay for today (and you"re on the original list as a guaranteed entry) if it goes past the 1.30pm cut off..you"re fine?!


Correct
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Waz1892 on March 31, 2013, 12:08:37 PM




Anyone know what time DTD opens today? Being kicked out of BnB soon....  :-\


1pm


silly question of the day, but I"ll ask it anyway

I assume if you arrive at 1pm-ish, and in the no doubt long queue to pay for today (and you"re on the original list as a guaranteed entry) if it goes past the 1.30pm cut off..you"re fine?!


Correct


Thankyou
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Pilch007 on March 31, 2013, 12:33:43 PM





Anyone know what time DTD opens today? Being kicked out of BnB soon....  :-\

Do we know if the day one is full if so it worth coming over

1pm


silly question of the day, but I"ll ask it anyway

I assume if you arrive at 1pm-ish, and in the no doubt long queue to pay for today (and you"re on the original list as a guaranteed entry) if it goes past the 1.30pm cut off..you"re fine?!


Correct


Thankyou
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: 4KSuited on April 08, 2013, 15:19:47 PM
I seem to recall seeing the APAT Team Champ results appearing on Hendon Mob"s player results for previous years. Are they no longer listing these results? I was hoping for my 3rd flag :o(
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Chipaccrual on April 08, 2013, 15:43:28 PM

I seem to recall seeing the APAT Team Champ results appearing on Hendon Mob"s player results for previous years. Are they no longer listing these results? I was hoping for my 3rd flag :o(


Results have all been sent across to THM last week, so you should get that flag shortly
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: THMF-X on April 10, 2013, 17:06:06 PM
Any idea when D2D will be contacting WCOAP winners regarding IPST seats?
Title: Re: WCOAP 2013 - Official Information Thread
Post by: Des on April 10, 2013, 18:12:17 PM

Any idea when D2D will be contacting WCOAP winners regarding IPST seats?


All the winners details have been passed to ISPT and they are confirming the seat allocations to DTD.  It"s far more complicated than it should ever be, but we"ll definitely get there Leon!  Hopefully before June :)