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Poker Forum => World Championship of Amateur Poker (WCOAP) => Live Archive => Live Poker => WCOAP 2013 => Topic started by: Des on January 31, 2013, 00:31:34 AM
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Competing Countries & Captains
Canada - Craig MacInnes
England - Steve Redfern
France - Jean-Michel Ballocchi
Ireland - Frank Bailie
Italy - Luca Cannella
Malaysia - Felix Chong
Poland - Ian Szerlowski
Portugal - Bruno Rilho
Scotland - Davie Blacklaw
Spain - Juan De Diego
USA - Carey Hollick
Wales - Paul McGuinness
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Oh...I so wanna play this time!!! Is it still true if someone has played for a country in the past they can"t play for another one....Go team USA if they"re in it again...I"m ready this time!! I will call in sick to work if i have to....lol
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Can"t wait and see if I"m going to play my first worlds
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Is there an application process for captains or are you guys just picking someone?
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We"ve largely approached all captains Stu and will start to annouce them from later tonight where possible.
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Tense......................................
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Is there an American team? I"m willing to be a captain if possible... :)
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I"m pleased to announce the following home nation appointments for the World Amateur Team Championship:-
Wales - Paul McGuinness
Scotland - Davie Blacklaw
England - Steve Redfern
Steve led England to Silver in this event last season; England"s best restult to date in international events. Davie led Scotland to Gold at the recent UK Home International Championship, while Paul has captained Wales to the World Amateur Team Championship in each of the past two seasons, in addition to winning the individual WCOAP HORSE Championship himself last season.
Please join with me in congratulating Paul, Davie and Steve.
Each will start their own thread telling interested players how to apply to represent their country.
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Congratulations guys ....
... and go go go England
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YAY!!! Well done Lads! :)
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Congrats to all.
SCOTLAND FTW!!!! - again ;D
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Congrats to all.
SCOTLAND FTW!!!! - again ;D
^^^Definitely this. Congrats to all but especially to Davie who did an immense job at the Home Internationals last year!
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Congratulations Guys..
Worthy Captains who im sure will do their countries proud!
England FTW!!
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Congratulations Guys..
Worthy Captains who im sure will do their countries proud!
England FTW!!
All of This
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Congrats to all the captains. Happy days x
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Congratulations Guys..
Worthy Captains who im sure will do their countries proud!
England FTW!!
All of This
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Well done to Dav
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Well done to you all
But come on WALES !!!! ;D ;D
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Congratulations and the best of luck to you all.
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Congratulations to all appointed Captains.
Scotland FTW ;D
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Congratulations lads.
Worthy captains.
Wales FTW!!
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I can also confirm that Frank Bailie will captain ECOAP Team Champions Republic of Ireland, Ian Szerlowski will captain Poland and Luca Canella will captain Italy.
Congratulations to Frank, Ian and Luca.
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Always an honour and a privilage so great choices as they are all passionaite for their country.
Best of luck to all...well I say all.. :P
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Well done to all captains selected.
Bonnie Scotland FTW lol ;D
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congratulations frank you won the euro now time to take down the world title
also congrats to all the other captains
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Congrats to all chosen so far :)
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Congrats to all the captains, especially Davie B after his performance in Stoke 8)
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Congrats to all chosen so far :)
A million percent all great choices & totally deserved - bring it on!!
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Congrats Lads and good luck on the day!
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Do we know all 16 teams and captains?
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Do we know all 16 teams and captains?
Dunno about all the captains Dan but did see on twitter, APAT looking for players to represent Canada, USA and Australia..
Wonder if Russia get an invite, they have some pretty awesome OH/HL players on Stars *cough* ;D
Going to stick my neck out and predict the 16 teams.. although it only states a capacity for 16 teams so dunno if it is clever wording and may be that 12-14 teams compete??
1. England
2. Scotland
3. Ireland (Republic)
4. Wales
5. France
6. Portugal
7. Poland
8. Canada
9. USA
10 Australia
11 Netherlands
12 Italy
13 Germany
14. Ireland (Northern)
Hmmm 2 more??? Can"t think but perhaps there may be a few others out there with ideas..
15 China?
16 India?
^^^^^^ Complete stab in the dark
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Do we know all 16 teams and captains?
Dunno about all the captains Dan but did see on twitter, APAT looking for players to represent Canada, USA and Australia..
Wonder if Russia get an invite, they have some pretty awesome OH/HL players on Stars *cough* ;D
Going to stick my neck out and predict the 16 teams.. although it only states a capacity for 16 teams so dunno if it is clever wording and may be that 12-14 teams compete??
1. England
2. Scotland
3. Ireland (Republic)
4. Wales
5. France
6. Portugal
7. Poland
8. Canada
9. USA
10 Australia
11 Netherlands
12 Italy
13 Germany
14. Ireland (Northern)
Hmmm 2 more??? Can"t think but perhaps there may be a few others out there with ideas..
15 China?
16 India?
^^^^^^ Complete stab in the dark
Not sure about the list Carl, but loving your prediction ;)
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Maybe Spain?
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Maybe Spain?
Yes indeed!! Obv choice :)
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I"m sure that India could submit a team but be expensive for them to travel
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I"m from Belgium and I have a friend coming with me... so Belgium perhaps :p
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Does anyone know Karen Frank.....she"s won a couple things in the past and i met her at the GUKPT London in 2009 and i know she"s from Wisconsin...any help would be appreciated.
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Be fascinated to see what will make up 16 teams.
Spain didn"t make the euros last year and holland have been regular no shows. I also know that Canada are struggling for numbers.
On the flip side, China and India are great shouts, and just can"t believe there aren"t any Scandi teams.
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As much as it pains me to say it, maybe a North American team that combines USA/Canada? Might be the only way forward with those two considering the hassle each year.
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It"s a shame some teams are scratching around for players, whilst I have to turn down so many who are desperate to play. Need to get the English applicants looking at old family trees to discover long lost heritage to some of these countries that are struggling to field teams. ;D
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Its with great pleasure that i will be captain again of the Portugueses Team,its a reall pleasure to play these Apat events,we have so much fun.....will post the Team in the next few days,look foward to see all u guys again....even the Italian Team......lol.......Go Go Go
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Do we have confirmed schedule for the event?
Hope there is a round of HU and PLO.
And have points weighted towards winning the SnG rather than nitting it up for the extra point (Steve)
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And have points weighted towards winning the SnG rather than nitting it up for the extra point (Steve)
Me? Really? lol
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It"s a shame some teams are scratching around for players, whilst I have to turn down so many who are desperate to play. Need to get the English applicants looking at old family trees to discover long lost heritage to some of these countries that are struggling to field teams. ;D
Pfffft England or nothing thanks :p
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It"s a shame some teams are scratching around for players, whilst I have to turn down so many who are desperate to play. Need to get the English applicants looking at old family trees to discover long lost heritage to some of these countries that are struggling to field teams. ;D
Pfffft England or nothing thanks :p
You need more ambition Stu ;-)
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Regarding the 16 teams and possibilities..
If a certain country which has not been perhaps invited say China for instance, and a team that has invited to play and are indeed struggling to find 5 players.. I"m sure there a good deal of local Chinese players whom play at DTD would like to play? Why not contact DTD and see if they could put some "feelers" out to some of the regulars?
Just a thought as it would be a shame not to get full quota of teams..
Edit.. Reading this back to myself it sounds rather confusing to me, but I blame it on the Cava * hic* .. But I know what I mean!!
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Being a Captain is a big responsibily. Yes i hate scratching around for players every year. This year has been tough with the addition of another player per team. Each year Des comes to me with those big puppy dog eyes and asks me to take on the challange of getting a team together for Canada. Ive never turned him down. How can you turn down the honor of representing your Country? I love my country and I am greatful each year I am asked, thanks Des. So I will call around, I will harrass my facebook friends, I will ask everyone I know to ask their friends. It is very difficult and it gets very tense the closer the tournament gets. But the other Captains have it worse than me. They have to say no to friends and family and upset alot of people, they then have to have faith that they have picked not only the deserving but people who will perform on the day. So with all that in mind, I wish all of them the best of luck. Team Canada will see you at the tables.
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As much as it pains me to say it, maybe a North American team that combines USA/Canada? Might be the only way forward with those two considering the hassle each year.
I have English and French Canadians back in my family tree... :)
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I"m sure that India could submit a team but be expensive for them to travel
There are a lot of Indian people who live in England seems like there could be a team put together...
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Do we have a confirmed structure for the Team Event?
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Do we have a confirmed structure for the Team Event?
Bump....
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Do we have a confirmed structure for the Team Event?
Bump....
Provisional Schedule (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=13243.msg203242#msg203242)
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I acknowledge I"m speaking from a point of view that it has affected me massively,
Is it right that a non-main variant of poker in PLO takes up 40% of the Team Event games?
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I acknowledge I"m speaking from a point of view that it has affected me massively,
Is it right that a non-main variant of poker in PLO takes up 40% of the Team Event games?
I completely understand where you"re coming from Warren, however I"m not sure that PLO is considered a "non-main" variant of poker any more - in my opinion, PLO is now considered to a be a core variant alongisde NLHE, and is not really a "mixed" game any more.
Personally, I would support an even wider variance of mixed games within the Team Event. Yes 40% of the published profile is PLO..... but from the opposite standpoint, is it right that such a prestigious event should be made up of 60% NLHE? With a much wider mix, the team that wins would generally be the team that is able to dominate across multiple disciplines and variants, rather than just conventional NLHE. I suspect a major problem with mixing it up though would be dealer availability and cost.
Interesting discussion though...
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I acknowledge I"m speaking from a point of view that it has affected me massively,
Is it right that a non-main variant of poker in PLO takes up 40% of the Team Event games?
I completely understand where you"re coming from Warren, however I"m not sure that PLO is considered a "non-main" variant of poker any more - in my opinion, PLO is now considered to a be a core variant alongisde NLHE, and is not really a "mixed" game any more.
Personally, I would support an even wider variance of mixed games within the Team Event. Yes 40% of the published profile is PLO..... but from the opposite standpoint, is it right that such a prestigious event should be made up of 60% NLHE? With a much wider mix, the team that wins would generally be the team that is able to dominate across multiple disciplines and variants, rather than just conventional NLHE. I suspect a major problem with mixing it up though would be dealer availability and cost.
Interesting discussion though...
Understand the flip-side view that 60% is taken up by 1 variant in a World Series championship, however whilst PLO is I agree the the most popular of the other variants by the very nature of it not being the main form it automatically excludes the majority of poker players that would like to rep there country.
Those that love the other variants have the side events to enjoy PLO AND still have the option to rep their country at the team event by playing the main game of poker.
As we are a amateur set up by name I would suggest upwards of 90% of members don"t have the game for PLO that is good enough to play at a level to achieve a team selection, so it could be said a main world championship team event excludes 90% of the members it serves?
Interesting side discussion for sure
*90% figure plucked out of air!
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As we are a amateur set up by name I would suggest upwards of 90% of members don"t have the game for PLO that is good enough to play at a level to achieve a team selection, so it could be said a main world championship team event excludes 90% of the members it serves?
That would help the England captain a lot in his selection struggles if it were true. I think, however, that your percentage is greatly overstated. I would say that most players, myself included, probably don"t have a superior PLO game, but are capable of getting by in this tournament.
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As we are a amateur set up by name I would suggest upwards of 90% of members don"t have the game for PLO that is good enough to play at a level to achieve a team selection, so it could be said a main world championship team event excludes 90% of the members it serves?
That would help the England captain a lot in his selection struggles if it were true. I think, however, that your percentage is greatly overstated. I would say that most players, myself included, probably don"t have a superior PLO game, but are capable of getting by in this tournament.
I have noted the % figure was completely taken out from nowhere, just very much generalising. Maybe I"ve missed a trick then, however I still think (lets say most members) don"t have a game for PLO, therefore "most" can"t be selected for this prestigious tournament
Like I said from the outset - just me being bitter and selfish! ::)
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It"s a shame some teams are scratching around for players, whilst I have to turn down so many who are desperate to play. Need to get the English applicants looking at old family trees to discover long lost heritage to some of these countries that are struggling to field teams. ;D
Pfffft England or nothing thanks :p
Think laterally Stu! Independent State of Teesside ftw ;)
On a serious note, Austria have entered a team in the past!
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On a serious note, Austria have entered a team in the past!
Last time was 2009, and they didn"t turn up ;)
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On a serious note, Austria have entered a team in the past!
Last time was 2009, and they didn"t turn up ;)
Two did, and two didn"t. Felt very sorry for the two guys who did make it and although we tried to talk them into playing, they took the decision not to enter.
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Didn"t realise that; I just remember playing againt 1 in the 6-max and assumed they had a team... a reasonable assumption given that he was in his "Team Austria" shirt ;)
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Is the heads up supposed to be 12:30 a.m. or p.m. is it the last thing for the day after midnight?
Day Two (Friday 29th March 2013)
2:00PM NLHE 10 x 8 Handed STT"s
5:30PM PLO 10 x 8 Handed STT"s
9:00PM NLHE 10 x 8 Handed STT"s
12:30PM NLHE Heads Up Medal Matches
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Is the heads up supposed to be 12:30 a.m. or p.m. is it the last thing for the day after midnight?
Day Two (Friday 29th March 2013)
2:00PM NLHE 10 x 8 Handed STT"s
5:30PM PLO 10 x 8 Handed STT"s
9:00PM NLHE 10 x 8 Handed STT"s
12:30PM NLHE Heads Up Medal Matches
It"s the final matches, should be some time after midnight
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Just to confirm the team list is looking like this at the moment:-
England
Scotland
Wales
Ireland
France
Germany
Spain
Portugal
Poland
Italy
USA
Canada
Malaysia
We are still awaiting decisions on Austria and Switzerland while next year we hope to be joined by Belgium and Malta amongst others.
Outstanding captain details to follow.
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Just to confirm the team list is looking like this at the moment:-
Scotland
England
Wales
Ireland
France
Germany
Spain
Portugal
Poland
Italy
USA
Canada
Malaysia
We are still awaiting decisions on Austria and Switzerland while next year we hope to be joined by Belgium and Malta amongst others.
Outstanding captain details to follow.
FYP
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Any news on the new captains yet?
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Any updates on the definative List of Nations taking part?
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Also would be nice to know the rest of the captains for the teams....we do have a team but haven"t been told anything yet...Thank you.
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I"m delighted to announce the final set of teams and captains competing for this year"s World Amateur Team Championship. They are:-
Canada - Craig MacInnes
England - Steve Redfern
France - Jean-Michel Ballocchi
Ireland - Frank Bailie
Italy - Luca Cannella
Malaysia - Felix Chong
Poland - Ian Szerlowski
Portugal - Bruno Rilho
Scotland - Davie Blacklaw
Spain - Juan De Diego
USA - Carey Hollick
Wales - Paul McGuinness
Please join with me in congratulating Craig, Jean-Michel, Felix, Bruno, Juan and Carey on confirmation of their appointments. Each will be giving 110% along with their country mates; as I"m sure will the previously announced captains, to take this title on March 28th and 29th.
It should be a very exciting competition.
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Congratulations to all the teams and I can"t wait to see some of you again and meet most of you for the first time. USA USA USA!!! :)
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12 teams eh? This should be fun :) Good Luck all may the best North american team win... ;)
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Anyone know 2 American players that might be able to play the team event?
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Here these 2 are free for the weekend:
(http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/s4ooter/mike-caro_zps68d8da0b.jpg)
(http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/s4ooter/jamie-gold_zps9fdff912.jpg)
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Sigh. We"ve tried a few. Jen Mason is doing updates at the Irish Open that week. Deborah Worley-Roberts can"t play for personal reasons. An other can"t travel due to torn ligaments in his leg(s). And on and on we go. So pleeeeeeeeease everyone...if you know of any Yank who would like to join the team, give us a shout. Cheers! :)
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Have posted on my FB to try and help, and if not im gonna have to search the Family Tree for some Yank roots ;)
GL in finding someone
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Have posted on my FB to try and help, and if not im gonna have to search the Family Tree for some Yank roots ;)
GL in finding someone
Absolute star! Noticed a few more had posted on facebook and twitter too. Just want to say thank you very much for your help everyone. Between the lot of us, we might pull this off yet.
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Gonna put word around with a few of the guys up at the USAF base tomorrow....:)
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Gonna put word around with a few of the guys up at the USAF base tomorrow....:)
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii - ty ty ty VERY MUCHO!!! :D
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Well Kim Clay gave me an email of a player from where she plays and I also facebook messaged Shola A. and Joe Stapes (yes I know the commentator for EPT ) lol
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Gonna put word around with a few of the guys up at the USAF base tomorrow....:)
thanks Jo :)
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Well Kim Clay gave me an email of a player from where she plays and I also facebook messaged Shola A. and Joe Stapes (yes I know the commentator for EPT ) lol
May as well ask Jesse May while yer at it. :D
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I actually thought of that today...and he may just do it if he"s not busy....he"s a nice guy Neil introduced me to him at the ipo and i also got to play on his table with him this year :)
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lololololol - thought you might. gl gl gl!!!
Edit - Just remembered, he"s definitely busy. Does the Irish Open every year, so we"ll have to keep looking.
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See our thread for our new members http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=13390.msg206082#msg206082
Carey :)
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Have the starting stacks been decided and/or announced for the SNGs, the deepstack SNGs and the HU yet ?
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Have the starting stacks been decided and/or announced for the SNGs, the deepstack SNGs and the HU yet ?
Have been speaking with DTD about this. We"re finding it really difficult to judge how nitty you will all be :D
Possibly looking at 10k 20min clock for Deeper and 7.5k 15 minute for normal, but we"ve got to ensure that the deepers finish in 4hrs and the normals finish in 3hrs.
Also, we"re going to slightly weight the points up top, so this should ensure a bit more aggressive play, which means we can give a better structure.
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S there any charge for the team shirts for this Leigh?
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S there any charge for the team shirts for this Leigh?
£15 per shirt
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Have the starting stacks been decided and/or announced for the SNGs, the deepstack SNGs and the HU yet ?
Have been speaking with DTD about this. We"re finding it really difficult to judge how nitty you will all be :D
Possibly looking at 10k 20min clock for Deeper and 7.5k 15 minute for normal, but we"ve got to ensure that the deepers finish in 4hrs and the normals finish in 3hrs.
Also, we"re going to slightly weight the points up top, so this should ensure a bit more aggressive play, which means we can give a better structure.
All sounds good ! ;)
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S there any charge for the team shirts for this Leigh?
£15 per shirt
Would have been nice to know this sooner I thought the shirts came with the buy in of the tournament....I didn"t tell anyone on my team that there was a charge for the shirt....
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Since it wasn"t announced that we had to pay for shirts this year we only need 3 shirts for our team because 2 people from my team already have shirts and don"t want a new one so please cancel two of the shirts...This should have been on the announcement for the team event from the start...So we"ll only need the 3 XL shirts thank you...
Carey
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Really? £15 per shirt? This is the first year that there has been a charge for these so unprepared for this really. I havent told any of our guys this so by way of not getting off on a bad start I will be paying for all our shirts. Is there an option of getting our own shirts with our own designs and personalisation, maybe for next year?
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Can I recommend that APAT just include these in the juice next year. £125 per player, £600 per team. Just feels a little better then having to buy the shirts as an extra.
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Sorry if you and your team weren"t aware of this Craig. I"ve already discussed in detail with Carey. Players have paid cost price on their shirts for the last two international team events -the ECOAP at DTD in Aug 2012 and the Home Internationals in Stoke in Nov 2011. Of course we haven"t had a World event with the US and Canada teams in it since Aug 2011 and we"ve made a lot of changes since then on the pricing front, hence the oversight on my part. Plus we"ve just confirmed the cost price with the manufacturer and it comes to £14.70 inc Vat per shirt, so we"re asking the players to pay £15 per shirt for ease of handling change - which is less per shirt than the last two events I believe. APAT has added five bracelets and presentation boxes on top of the medals to the prize pool, so we aren"t in a position to continue paying £1,500 in shirt costs for such a small event player numbers wise, but again apologies to any of our players that has been caught out by this late cost. It"s my fault, and believe me - if we could swallow the cost of shirts for everyone, then we would. We don"t like getting it wrong, but sometimes we just have to hold our hands up when we do.
On your other question, the price of the shirts is determined to some degree by the final number of teams taking place and quantities ordered - which makes it difficult to confirm what the exact price up front to include within the buy in.
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This came up with other team players at the week-end too. We don"t think APAT should pay for the shirts either. We understand the pressure APAT is under with added expense, so it was suggested the price of the shirts just come out of the prize pool.
Players are under pressure as well. This idea would still cover price of shirts out of our own pockets, while having been already been budgeted in.
The team event is more about pride than prize pool anyway, so win win, no?
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This came up with other team players at the week-end too. We don"t think APAT should pay for the shirts either. We understand the pressure APAT is under with added expense, so it was suggested the price of the shirts just come out of the prize pool.
Players are under pressure as well. This idea would still cover price of shirts out of our own pockets, while having been already been budgeted in.
The team event is more about pride than prize pool anyway, so win win, no?
I tend to agree with Dawn on this (OMG!), and that the buy in and prize pool is of secondary concern at this team event... in my opinion, it would carry just as much weight and value if the buy in were nominal, or even zero. Taking the cost of the shirts from the current £100+£10 would get my vote (and the vote of the rest of the England team)
Of course, other countries, particularly those with significant travel costs, may have a different view.
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Thanks for the information Des. Im not whining on about this to be fair, its only £15 per and isnt really a big deal to me. What I am concerned about is keeping the event an honour to play and not about the money, hey, dont get me wrong, I love the money but this event is more than that. Its about the pride and honor of representing your country and thats what it should be to be honest. I think the £15 for a shirt kind of undervalues that. I, like Dawn, dont think APAT should have to foot the bill either, but I think it should come as a package. I understand that there is an issue regarding how many shirts will be required and as such has some effect on a bulk purchase order. To eliminate this I would suggest in future that the £15 be added to the entry and be £125 per player (£600 per Team) then borrowing Dawns suggestion if there is additional costs for the shirts that additional amount be taken from the prize pool to save APAT any oncost. In this way players are pruchasing the shirts, which I dont think they mind anyway and APAT doesnt have to take a loss. Happy Happy. I dont know just a thought really. Any other suggestions?? But your right Des, all the other teams do get alot more practice during the year and are able to enter more tournaments than Team Canada and Team USA, nice of you to bring that up. Can we have a Team North America takes on the World Event, like a Ryders Cup if you will? Just a thought.
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Can"t believe people are whining about the cost of a shirt, most people would be delighted to get the chance just to play in this event!
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Have to agree with Dawn and Steve.Take the cost of the shirts from the prize pool.Money is tight for most players so this would be the best way to keep the overall cost down.I would play for zero prize money to play in this tournament.To play for your country and enjoy the experience of international team play is what the WCOAP Team Championship event is all about. When Ireland won the European Team Championship last August I was 100% focused on winning the tournament and the gold medal,I honestly did not think of the money aspect of the win at all.So Dawns suggestion would have my vote for this misunderstanding.
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Can"t believe people are whining about the cost of a shirt, most people would be delighted to get the chance just to play in this event!
No one is whining as far as I can see, it"s a valid point being raised by people in a more than reasonable manner. There is no one saying they aren"t going to play, people are just exploring possibilities.
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Nobody is whining about it. Its a valid point. I dont think anyone has a clue what we go through to get a team for this event. I know Team Canada are about £2000 in the hole when we walk in the door. Never mind the weeks and months its taken to get a team together. Its a bit different when youve got 200 players to choose from. But when youve got 5 and thats all youve got, you really dont want to piss people off at the last minute. Other teams can say. Right you dont want to pay, you cant pay? No problem, we go to next on the list.
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Can"t believe people are whining about the cost of a shirt, most people would be delighted to get the chance just to play in this event!
I don"t think anybody is whining to be fair.
I would assume there are two shirts per person so the total cost of the event is £140. I would have said that having a £10 reg fee, £30 for two shirts and £70 popped into the prize pool would make most of the players happy as the event is not about the prize pool in any way (personally I would still want to play it and do just as well and want to win it as much with no prize pool at all). With this in mind I would also support taking the cost of the shirts out of the prize pool and would like to see this done in future events. I agree the cost should not be paid by APAT. After the event it might be worth a discussion about what is a reasonable buyin for this event as I would have thought most of the players would prefer a lower buyin (would be happy to still pay the reg fee).
*Disclaimer - The above views are my own and do not automatically represent the views of the rest of the Welsh team for this event.
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When England win Gold, I"m going to put my spare shirt on E-bay.. Then I"m going to be a mirrionaire!!!! ;D
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I will discuss this question with the twelve captains and if they all agree to the shirts money being deducted from the prize pool, then we will do so. If one team disagrees, then we will not be managing in that way.
However, we can certainly look at this in more detail for the following year.
I will communicate feedback before the event.
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Thank you Des and fair play to you for trying, whatever the outcome. :)
Now then...where"s our countdown? Oh go on...
ONLY 3 MORE SLEEPS!!! wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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Well we"re tryers if nothing else. :)
I"ll get on to it this evening.
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Can"t believe people are whining about the cost of a shirt, most people would be delighted to get the chance just to play in this event!
No one is whining as far as I can see, it"s a valid point being raised by people in a more than reasonable manner. There is no one saying they aren"t going to play, people are just exploring possibilities.
Yeah exploring the possibilities of not having to pay £15!
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Thanks Deso, much appritiated. Im not bothered either way to be honest. Im just thinking of others who could put the money to better use (Beer). Im sure Laxie is thinking the same. Thanks for looking at it. As I said before Ill pay for my team so if the decition is for the players to buy the shirts then no problem. If the other captains want to take the money out of the prize fund then no issues either. Thanks Des... ;D ;D ;D
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Backing up what Dawn and Craig have said here.
Des and APAT always do a great job of keeping their players happy, it reminds me of something I am working on at the moment and I would say APAT give a Noticably Superior Customer Experience.
Thanks as always Des, I am happy with either outcome personally, see ya Thursday.
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And people wonder why I drink at these things.. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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I think deducting the money from the prize pool is a corking idea.
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I wanna know why frankieb has more stars than me but has less posts. Whats up with that?? I assume its likability, thats cool. Whatever.. :"( :"( :"( :"( :"( :"(
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I"m so glad I didn"t run with the idea of team baseball caps in country colours ;D
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I wanna know why frankieb has more stars than me but has less posts. Whats up with that?? I assume its likability, thats cool. Whatever.. :"( :"( :"( :"( :"( :"(
Multi accounting?.. Super user account?.. RUNS Better obv ;D
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I"m so glad I didn"t run with the idea of team baseball caps in country colours ;D
Now that you mention it... :D
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Can"t believe people are whining about the cost of a shirt, most people would be delighted to get the chance just to play in this event!
No one is whining as far as I can see, it"s a valid point being raised by people in a more than reasonable manner. There is no one saying they aren"t going to play, people are just exploring possibilities.
Yeah exploring the possibilities of not having to pay £15!
Mike, it"s £30, not £15... there are two shirts for £15 each. I already have that money budgeted and have no problem paying it, however I agree with the points of view raised that this does not need to be an expensive event - and in fact I would have no problem if there were no prize pool at all, as it"s about honour and prestige (and bracelets/medals), not money.
I don"t think anyone is whining about having to pay - perhaps you"re being a little harsh. Some of us have to do what we can to keep costs down to have any chance of attending these festival weeks. It would not be fair for a player to be excluded from this sort of event on the grounds that they could not afford to play it.
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Can"t believe people are whining about the cost of a shirt, most people would be delighted to get the chance just to play in this event!
No one is whining as far as I can see, it"s a valid point being raised by people in a more than reasonable manner. There is no one saying they aren"t going to play, people are just exploring possibilities.
Yeah exploring the possibilities of not having to pay £15!
Mike, it"s £30, not £15... there are two shirts for £15 each. I already have that money budgeted and have no problem paying it, however I agree with the points of view raised that this does not need to be an expensive event - and in fact I would have no problem if there were no prize pool at all, as it"s about honour and prestige (and bracelets/medals), not money.
I don"t think anyone is whining about having to pay - perhaps you"re being a little harsh. Some of us have to do what we can to keep costs down to have any chance of attending these festival weeks. It would not be fair for a player to be excluded from this sort of event on the grounds that they could not afford to play it.
I don"t really know why I have got involved in this discussion ! I think it is as you say a massive honour to play for you country in this event and as such to quibble about £30 is frankly ridiculous. The vasy majority of players representing their country will be playing other events and spending condierably more than £30 over the bar....after all it is APAT! If ever I was lucky enough to play in this event I would gladly pay £100 for the shirt, after all I pay £30 for my LBPN team event shirt!
But at the end of the day it will be down to the team Captains and thats fair enough.
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Why is it £30? Why does every person get 2 shirts? I was told it was £15 per person we get one shirt and wasn"t the last WCOAP in august of 2012? Or has it really been 2 years since I couldn"t play the last one....And I"m sorry to Mikey but I"m paying for me and my husband to play this event so that is twice the cost for our family....the pride of playing for my country outweighs the money I"m paying but my budget is way tight and I "ve already had to stake 90% of myself to come and play so yes £15 or now if it"s actually £30 is a lot for me. I don"t plan on drinking from the bar..I plan on playing poker paying for return trip (from essex) for 2 players and 2 nights in a hotel so yeah lots of money so being told before hand is very important to some of us but Des and I have already discussed that. I"m for taking the £15 out of the prizepool in the future or for this one...
Carey
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Last WCOAP was in August 2011.
I would like two shirts if possible although don"t mind paying extra for the second one if it is agreed only one comes out of the prize pool or paying for both if other don"t want any money removed from the prize pool. If this has already been sorted though and it is only one shirt that is no worries but if we have the option I would like two.
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Why is it £30? Why does every person get 2 shirts? I was told it was £15 per person we get one shirt
Two, for a two day event....
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Shall we leave Shirtgate to simmer and die? Everyone"s point of view is valid on this one as far as I can see, so we"re not likely to move much further forward within this thread. The action"s on me and I will feedback when I"ve spoken to the other captains.
Let"s get back to setting the scene for the event itself. Thursday! ;)
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That"s cool and was only going by the last WCOAP event when there was one shirt for the 2 day event...do you guys smell or something that you need 2? ;D ;) Okay to Thursday....USA USA USA!!! Oh and Craig I"m all up for the North America team event and I"m with you on the only 5 or so players to choose from it"s been a bit of a crazy month trying to keep a team together.....many players are off to the Irish Open or other places to play tournaments.
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Let"s get back to setting the scene for the event itself. Thursday! ;)
Like the fact that it"s only THREE more sleeps.... and it"s no longer next week, it"s THIS week now :)
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Let"s get back to setting the scene for the event itself. Thursday! ;)
Like the fact that it"s only THREE more sleeps.... and it"s no longer next week, it"s THIS week now :)
I guess I"ll be on my own in wishing it was about a week away ;)
Oh well, roll on Thursday, I"ve a feeling it is going to be a whirlwind of a long weekend ;D
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The week where England claim the glory that this great Nation deserves.
And puts the welsh upstarts in their place :)
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I wanna know why frankieb has more stars than me but has less posts. Whats up with that??
I think it"s because he a Regional Manager thingy...automatically grants you a 5* rating when you get to run a forum section.
Or something like that!
Of course, I could be wrong.
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It will be a great week, it always is, especially the team event. Good luck to all playing and especially team Poland....go boys!
Sorry I wont be there to cheer you on.......Vegas baby! :)
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The week where England claim the glory that this great Nation deserves.
And puts the welsh upstarts in their place :)
Everybody wants to beat Wales it seems. That is understandable, who will do it? Can anybody do it?
Can England finally land the big one after being so close at ECOAP and The Home Nations
Can Scotland follow up their Home Nations win with a win here
Can Ireland do the DTD double adding the WCOAP to their Euros win
Can one of the other teams from around the world cause an upset, Canada, USA, Poland so many have a great chance.
Or can the "Welsh Upstarts" do what others have done before them and retain the WCOAP and become three time world champions
Whoever you are, whichever team you represent think of your team, thinking of winning the event and listen to this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02vq2UZvG4Q
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I"m so glad I didn"t run with the idea of team baseball caps in country colours ;D
Funny Boy, ive already ordered ours.
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I wanna know why frankieb has more stars than me but has less posts. Whats up with that??
I think it"s because he a Regional Manager thingy...automatically grants you a 5* rating when you get to run a forum section.
Or something like that!
Of course, I could be wrong.
Fair enough. Thanks Paulie
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I may have missed this - not sure, but would appreciate clarification please.
When there were 16 teams scheduled, the plan was for the STT rounds to consist of 10 x 8 handed STTs.... now that there are only 12 teams, does that mean we will run 10 x 6 handed STTs? If yes, can you please confirm how points will be allocated? Thanks...
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Each session of STT"s will be run as follows
6 x 8 Handed
2 x 6 Handed
Points allocation for each match are
1st - 15pts
2nd - 12pts
3rd - 10pts
4th - 8pts
5th - 6pts
6th - 4pts
7th - 2pts
8th - 1pts
Each team will have one player on the short handed tables per session. The short handed tables will score from 1st-6th points only (15pts-4pts)
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Each session of STT"s will be run as follows
6 x 8 Handed
2 x 6 Handed
Points allocation for each match are
1st - 15pts
2nd - 12pts
3rd - 10pts
4th - 8pts
5th - 6pts
6th - 4pts
7th - 2pts
8th - 1pts
Each team will have one player on the short handed tables per session. The short handed tables will score from 1st-6th points only (15pts-4pts)
Will there be a random seat draw prior to each round or can captains choose who sits on the short-handed tables ?
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Each session of STT"s will be run as follows
6 x 8 Handed
2 x 6 Handed
Points allocation for each match are
1st - 15pts
2nd - 12pts
3rd - 10pts
4th - 8pts
5th - 6pts
6th - 4pts
7th - 2pts
8th - 1pts
Each team will have one player on the short handed tables per session. The short handed tables will score from 1st-6th points only (15pts-4pts)
Will there be a random seat draw prior to each round or can captains choose who sits on the short-handed tables ?
(http://img1.etsystatic.com/001/0/6570743/il_fullxfull.390915049_9icf.jpg)
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Thanks Leigh :D