Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Live Poker => Topic started by: IrishTom on November 13, 2013, 19:30:25 PM
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The "eagle-eyed" among you will notice that we have "TBC" alongside some of the details for the event structure - this is simply to allow us some time to confirm what the "best" structure for the Team Championships should be.
So, should we leave it as previous years - ie a 2-day MTT with points for top 100 players - or spice it up in some way.
Rather than looking at this event in isolation, how does it hold up as a "team event" when compared to the likes of the upcoming ECOAP European Amateur Team Championship HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14533.0)
Your thoughts are very welcome before we confirm details.
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Pretty sure GNF like it the way it is :)
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If it ain"t broke, don"t fix it ;)
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If it ain"t broke, don"t fix it ;)
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+ another one. It"s fine as it is, there"s no need to mess with it.
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I know you guys all enjoy this event, but rather than look at this in isolation - what about comparing it with the likes of the upcoming ECOAP European Amateur Team Championship HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14533.0)
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I"m firmly in the camp of don"t fix what ain"t broke.
Not sure how you can look at this event in anything other than isolation, as it is unique within the APAT calendar.
25 teams from across the land descend upon a poor unsuspecting venue for poker madness and mayhem.
The rail is always bigger at this event, the support is always louder. Doesn"t matter whether it"s been held in Blackpool, Manchester, Bolton or Luton, it"s something that everyone looks forward to, and stands out in the UK poker scene.
No one does this as well, or with as much anticipation from the players as APAT does.
Genting Stoke will be an amazing venue for this, as the team there really "get" what APAT is about.
If you wanted to improve the event :-
Put on a cracking Friday night event, for those that are making a weekend of it with their team.
Put on a Saturday night game, so early exits know in advance they will have a game to play, so will guarantee they plan to stay for the weekend.
Put on a Sunday afternoon game to give the rail some poker options.
Find a way to put the in-running leaderboard up on a big screen, so everyone gets the same info.
Perhaps include some live satellites for the upcoming WCOAP. Never been done before, I"m sure players would love it. Maybe a mixed game satellite that wins you a WCOAP Passport (1xME + 2xSE). Running across the weekend.
In essence, make it a wall to wall festival of poker and really showcase what APAT is all about.
Oh, and I"d love to see this payout 100% to the individuals, with team prizes being added value seats from a headline sponsor. Probably not possible, but we can all dream. ;D
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Live satellites to WCOAP looks like a neat idea. You could do those at any of the APAT weekends - MTT or STT.
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Again Leigh hits the nail on the head.
I started with APAT playing the team event, loved the atmosphere :) Got me coming back for more.
No need for any changes to the ME whatsoever.
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Couldn"t agree more with leigh. Live sats will get runners, another cash tour spot could be filled too.
Teams are there for a poker weekend so the more you provide the more they will play.
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I"m firmly in the camp of don"t fix what ain"t broke.
Not sure how you can look at this event in anything other than isolation, as it is unique within the APAT calendar.
25 teams from across the land descend upon a poor unsuspecting venue for poker madness and mayhem.
The rail is always bigger at this event, the support is always louder. Doesn"t matter whether it"s been held in Blackpool, Manchester, Bolton or Luton, it"s something that everyone looks forward to, and stands out in the UK poker scene.
No one does this as well, or with as much anticipation from the players as APAT does.
Genting Stoke will be an amazing venue for this, as the team there really "get" what APAT is about.
If you wanted to improve the event :-
Put on a cracking Friday night event, for those that are making a weekend of it with their team.
Put on a Saturday night game, so early exits know in advance they will have a game to play, so will guarantee they plan to stay for the weekend.
Put on a Sunday afternoon game to give the rail some poker options.
Find a way to put the in-running leaderboard up on a big screen, so everyone gets the same info.
Perhaps include some live satellites for the upcoming WCOAP. Never been done before, I"m sure players would love it. Maybe a mixed game satellite that wins you a WCOAP Passport (1xME + 2xSE). Running across the weekend.
In essence, make it a wall to wall festival of poker and really showcase what APAT is all about.
Oh, and I"d love to see this payout 100% to the individuals, with team prizes being added value seats from a headline sponsor. Probably not possible, but we can all dream. ;D
Simple +1
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I reckon APAT should see if they can get this Leigh bloke on board - he seems to have some good ideas ;)
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What leigh says!! :)
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I reckon APAT should see if they can get this Leigh bloke on board - he seems to have some good ideas ;)
Agreed!!!!!!
Missing ya already buddy :(
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What leigh says!! :)
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I"m firmly in the camp of don"t fix what ain"t broke.
Not sure how you can look at this event in anything other than isolation, as it is unique within the APAT calendar.
25 teams from across the land descend upon a poor unsuspecting venue for poker madness and mayhem.
The rail is always bigger at this event, the support is always louder. Doesn"t matter whether it"s been held in Blackpool, Manchester, Bolton or Luton, it"s something that everyone looks forward to, and stands out in the UK poker scene.
No one does this as well, or with as much anticipation from the players as APAT does.
Genting Stoke will be an amazing venue for this, as the team there really "get" what APAT is about.
If you wanted to improve the event :-
Put on a cracking Friday night event, for those that are making a weekend of it with their team.
Put on a Saturday night game, so early exits know in advance they will have a game to play, so will guarantee they plan to stay for the weekend.
Put on a Sunday afternoon game to give the rail some poker options.
Find a way to put the in-running leaderboard up on a big screen, so everyone gets the same info.
Perhaps include some live satellites for the upcoming WCOAP. Never been done before, I"m sure players would love it. Maybe a mixed game satellite that wins you a WCOAP Passport (1xME + 2xSE). Running across the weekend.
In essence, make it a wall to wall festival of poker and really showcase what APAT is all about.
Oh, and I"d love to see this payout 100% to the individuals, with team prizes being added value seats from a headline sponsor. Probably not possible, but we can all dream. ;D
What Leigh says EXCEPT the last bit. 50/50 please, it"s an easier sell within the team structure. All winning team members should be guaranteed a cash payout after a long winning weekend. Added seats would of course be welcome bonus but cash is king at the end of the day.
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Leigh thanks for you in-depth thoughts mate - much appreciate some great ideas.
My first venture with APAT was the Scottish Championship in Glasgow early November with a copy of the schedule below:
Fri 1st Nov:
21:00-23:59 APAT Scottish Cash Tour Championship (Phase One - Final Table Qualifier 1/2)
Sat 2nd Nov:
14:00-Final27 Main Event: APAT Scottish Amateur Poker Championship (Day 1) £75 + £7.50
21:00-23:59 APAT Scottish Cash Tour Championship (Phase One - Final Table Qualifier 2/2)
Sun 3rd Nov:
12:00-14:00 APAT Scottish Cash Tour Championship (Phase Two - Final Table)
13:00-finish 2 x APAT Dedicated Cash Tables (25p/50p and 50p/£1) (possibly from 12:00 tbc)
14:15-finish Main Event: APAT Scottish Amateur Poker Championship (Final Day)
14:30-finish APAT Scottish Pub Poker Championship £25 + £5
16:00-finish APAT Scottish PLO Championship £25 + £5
Obviously I"m aware APAT has some great "festival" events - wcoap etc - and one of my "main ambitions" is to develop more of a "festival" approach to all APAT events - as far as possible and as far as the APAT Board agree - so hopefully we"ll see much more of a "weekend schedule" like Glasgow - with "no bounds" on what is in the schedule nor the period it covers (ie Fri to Sun giving everyone - especially those who are "knocked out of main event" something else to aim for).
I am however a little disappointed by some of the events in Glasgow - the Cash Tour only had 9 each night of the Qualifying Events and the PLO side event was a STT - and the "APAT dedicated cash tables" were not utilised. Was this because it was Glasgow - lots of locals - lots of APAT Regs not in attendance - trip to Vegas - 2 separate night qualifiers for cash tour - cash tour buyin £50 to £200 - cash tour unlimited top-ups when £100 or less etc? (but at least it generated a Final Table).
I"m not one for knee-jerk reactions, so I"m still inclined to run the 2-night Cash Tour qualifier in Stoke as well to see how that goes (and again with Final Table before the Main Event resumes on Sunday) - have again asked the venue for "APAT-dedicated cash tables" for Sun and there are side events planned - one can but plan and hope - but one thing I know for sure - it will be a cracking weekend...
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Well if the APAT Cash Tables are rake free i can pretty much guarantee that Team Gotham (if there) would hold one all night no problems!!
Making each event a festival-esque experience is a great idea however, and your if TG are playing that all of us will be in all the sides etc.....addicts ya see!
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The team scoring system should be more akin to the payouts of the tournament imo. I mean who enters a 200 runner MTT to finish in the top 100?
The people finishing in the top 3 or so positions (certainly final table) should have a large bearing on who wins the team prizes, so points increments should increase accordingly on the final table.
Probably a difficult one to get right but certainly think 100 getting points is a bit much.
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The team scoring system should be more akin to the payouts of the tournament imo. I mean who enters a 200 runner MTT to finish in the top 100?
The people finishing in the top 3 or so positions (certainly final table) should have a large bearing on who wins the team prizes, so points increments should increase accordingly on the final table.
Probably a difficult one to get right but certainly think 100 getting points is a bit much.
totally agree. There has/should be a huge uplift for those reaching the final table. Up to 20 hours play has to be rewarded. Suggest F1 scoring system for top 10 on top of the normal scoring structure as an absolute minimum. The winner deserves so much more than 10 points more than 10th and would really tighten up the team event positions until much later in the day on Sunday.
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The team scoring system should be more akin to the payouts of the tournament imo. I mean who enters a 200 runner MTT to finish in the top 100?
The people finishing in the top 3 or so positions (certainly final table) should have a large bearing on who wins the team prizes, so points increments should increase accordingly on the final table.
Probably a difficult one to get right but certainly think 100 getting points is a bit much.
Totally disagree - it"s a team event so it matters less who is in the top few than where the majority of the team finish. Current scoring system is spot on. Please don"t mess about with this event.
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The team scoring system should be more akin to the payouts of the tournament imo. I mean who enters a 200 runner MTT to finish in the top 100?
The people finishing in the top 3 or so positions (certainly final table) should have a large bearing on who wins the team prizes, so points increments should increase accordingly on the final table.
Probably a difficult one to get right but certainly think 100 getting points is a bit much.
Totally disagree - it"s a team event so it matters less who is in the top few than where the majority of the team finish. Current scoring system is spot on. Please don"t mess about with this event.
I"m with Andy on this
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Current scoring system is spot on. Please don"t mess about with this event.
The vast majority of posts in this thread urge the powers-that-be not to tinker with the format of the team event - I do hope that this doesn"t fall on deaf ears.
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The team scoring system should be more akin to the payouts of the tournament imo. I mean who enters a 200 runner MTT to finish in the top 100?
The people finishing in the top 3 or so positions (certainly final table) should have a large bearing on who wins the team prizes, so points increments should increase accordingly on the final table.
Probably a difficult one to get right but certainly think 100 getting points is a bit much.
Totally disagree - it"s a team event so it matters less who is in the top few than where the majority of the team finish. Current scoring system is spot on. Please don"t mess about with this event.
I"m in this camp - to "over weigh" the points for the "top finishers" I fear would skew the all-round performance of the whole team - for both the teams that do well with 1 or 2 players who run very deep, but also for the teams who don"t quite make the final few spots but maybe did very well with their players up to that point - the performance of the "whole team" being the deciding factor in crowning the Champions.
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Current scoring system is spot on. Please don"t mess about with this event.
The vast majority of posts in this thread urge the powers-that-be not to tinker with the format of the team event - I do hope that this doesn"t fall on deaf ears.
Well Ian all I can say is that the deaf are listening!
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Well Ian all I can say is that the deaf are listening!
Thanks Tom ;) looks like we were typing our replies at the same time but you beat me to the send button :)
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Ban GNF simples let another team have a chance to win...
But I echo Leigh's post I don"t think it really needs to be changed..
Some SNG type shoot out tournaments for WCOAP passport would be great or MTT.
Not a great lover of G Luton, would love to see this at DTD with more teams given a chance up it from 20 maybe 25 or 30 even..
At the end of the day whatever happens it will still be a great success as i know how much players look forward to this each season..
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Hi Carl, it"s at Genting Stoke this season.
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Hi Carl, it"s at Genting Stoke this season.
:) yes excellent choice of venue, just hope it stays away from Luton in future seasons .. If the weekend can turn into a festival style weekend with some side events running alongside and bigger fields would love it to be moved to DTD if possible that"s all.
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The team scoring system should be more akin to the payouts of the tournament imo. I mean who enters a 200 runner MTT to finish in the top 100?
The people finishing in the top 3 or so positions (certainly final table) should have a large bearing on who wins the team prizes, so points increments should increase accordingly on the final table.
Probably a difficult one to get right but certainly think 100 getting points is a bit much.
Totally disagree - it"s a team event so it matters less who is in the top few than where the majority of the team finish. Current scoring system is spot on. Please don"t mess about with this event.
I"m in this camp - to "over weigh" the points for the "top finishers" I fear would skew the all-round performance of the whole team - for both the teams that do well with 1 or 2 players who run very deep, but also for the teams who don"t quite make the final few spots but maybe did very well with their players up to that point - the performance of the "whole team" being the deciding factor in crowning the Champions.
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A multi day cash event is a non starter at team events for me. If I"m not in a team I will travel/ stayover for one night to play cash tourn and have a drink. No chance I"ll stay two nights if not in a team though.
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A multi day cash event is a non starter at team events for me. If I"m not in a team I will travel/ stayover for one night to play cash tourn and have a drink. No chance I"ll stay two nights if not in a team though.
Even if there is the following included??
pretty dealer
Me
A Slug
Chris
In any order!!
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A multi day cash event is a non starter at team events for me. If I"m not in a team I will travel/ stayover for one night to play cash tourn and have a drink. No chance I"ll stay two nights if not in a team though.
I"m working on giving the APAT National weekends (and incl UK Team Champs weekend) more of a mini-festival feel to them - the emphasis being (as far as possible) to give everyone something to aim for in addition to, or outside of if you are unfortunate not to get into, the main event - even for those who may run deep in the main event. I"m in discussions with Genting Stoke and just await their reply to confirm what we can offer over Fri 31st Jan to Sun 2nd Feb - so hopefully we can make it a bit more enticing/exciting for you guys.
Everything will be confirmed by the closing date for teams to apply for UK Team Championship entry - thereby allowing both those successful teams and those unsuccessful teams/individuals to plan accordingly for events throughout the whole weekend - and travel and accommodation of course as well.
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A multi day cash event is a non starter at team events for me. If I"m not in a team I will travel/ stayover for one night to play cash tourn and have a drink. No chance I"ll stay two nights if not in a team though.
Even if there is the following included??
pretty dealer
Me
A Slug
Chris
In any order!!
Possibly, if i get an official invite into Team Gotham :)
(my son has a shed load of Batman stuff coming to him for xmas!)
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A multi day cash event is a non starter at team events for me. If I"m not in a team I will travel/ stayover for one night to play cash tourn and have a drink. No chance I"ll stay two nights if not in a team though.
I"m working on giving the APAT National weekends (and incl UK Team Champs weekend) more of a mini-festival feel to them - the emphasis being (as far as possible) to give everyone something to aim for in addition to, or outside of if you are unfortunate not to get into, the main event - even for those who may run deep in the main event. I"m in discussions with Genting Stoke and just await their reply to confirm what we can offer over Fri 31st Jan to Sun 2nd Feb - so hopefully we can make it a bit more enticing/exciting for you guys.
Everything will be confirmed by the closing date for teams to apply for UK Team Championship entry - thereby allowing both those successful teams and those unsuccessful teams/individuals to plan accordingly for events throughout the whole weekend - and travel and accommodation of course as well.
Rodders" idea of running a streamed, deep stacked, cash table over a the full weekend would be very attractive to me, and, I"m sure a few others. Could be run with 5 APAT "regs" and 4 open seats for all comers through the weekend.
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A multi day cash event is a non starter at team events for me. If I"m not in a team I will travel/ stayover for one night to play cash tourn and have a drink. No chance I"ll stay two nights if not in a team though.
Even if there is the following included??
pretty dealer
Me
A Slug
Chris
In any order!!
Possibly, if i get an official invite into Team Gotham :)
(my son has a shed load of Batman stuff coming to him for xmas!)
We already have a Penguin tho..........
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A multi day cash event is a non starter at team events for me. If I"m not in a team I will travel/ stayover for one night to play cash tourn and have a drink. No chance I"ll stay two nights if not in a team though.
I"m working on giving the APAT National weekends (and incl UK Team Champs weekend) more of a mini-festival feel to them - the emphasis being (as far as possible) to give everyone something to aim for in addition to, or outside of if you are unfortunate not to get into, the main event - even for those who may run deep in the main event. I"m in discussions with Genting Stoke and just await their reply to confirm what we can offer over Fri 31st Jan to Sun 2nd Feb - so hopefully we can make it a bit more enticing/exciting for you guys.
Everything will be confirmed by the closing date for teams to apply for UK Team Championship entry - thereby allowing both those successful teams and those unsuccessful teams/individuals to plan accordingly for events throughout the whole weekend - and travel and accommodation of course as well.
Rodders" idea of running a streamed, deep stacked, cash table over a the full weekend would be very attractive to me, and, I"m sure a few others. Could be run with 5 APAT "regs" and 4 open seats for all comers through the weekend.
Yea TG and 4 others :) Delboy included!
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Tom,
I would have thought that most teams will have applied by now or over the next week. What"s ths chance of you announcing the teams befor the 20th? With Christmas being on the 25th like it is every year, this does not give alot of time for the lucky teams to get organized (pick teams, get shirts, book cheap hotel, etc)
Wayne
Edit: Just relized it"s Prague 6th/7th and 8th so you will be busy with that
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Wayne they will be confirmed by 20 Dec at the latest. However, I hope to confirm all teams within 2 days of the closing date - which will be Sun 15th Dec.
Tom
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Would love to have another stab at playing this, such a fab event.
Guess it would be unfair to ask my youngest to change her birthday date ::) .. Sigh
Gonna be funking hard for both APAT teams from the virtual rail!!
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I"ve replied by email/PM to all those who have applied for their team - so please make sure you have received it to ensure you are on the list (if not please re-send your request).
Thanks/Tom
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A multi day cash event is a non starter at team events for me. If I"m not in a team I will travel/ stayover for one night to play cash tourn and have a drink. No chance I"ll stay two nights if not in a team though.
I"m working on giving the APAT National weekends (and incl UK Team Champs weekend) more of a mini-festival feel to them - the emphasis being (as far as possible) to give everyone something to aim for in addition to, or outside of if you are unfortunate not to get into, the main event - even for those who may run deep in the main event. I"m in discussions with Genting Stoke and just await their reply to confirm what we can offer over Fri 31st Jan to Sun 2nd Feb - so hopefully we can make it a bit more enticing/exciting for you guys.
Everything will be confirmed by the closing date for teams to apply for UK Team Championship entry - thereby allowing both those successful teams and those unsuccessful teams/individuals to plan accordingly for events throughout the whole weekend - and travel and accommodation of course as well.
Rodders" idea of running a streamed, deep stacked, cash table over a the full weekend would be very attractive to me, and, I"m sure a few others. Could be run with 5 APAT "regs" and 4 open seats for all comers through the weekend.
Yea TG and 4 others :) Delboy included!
wiiiiiiiii thats sorted then. Set up the cameras Tom and I"ll get m hair done!
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I"ve replied by email/PM to all those who have applied for their team - so please make sure you have received it to ensure you are on the list (if not please re-send your request).
Thanks/Tom
PM"d you Tom re Voyage in Poker team.
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Any closer to schedules of events being released?
Need to know how much ££ to ask Santa for!!
BTW i think a super deepstacked cash game, that is streamed, is the best idea in a while. :)
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The list of successful teams and the schedule of events will be released on the APAT Forum sometime over this weekend.
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The list of successful teams and the schedule of events will be released on the APAT Forum sometime over this weekend.
Tease. :)
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Ooooh come onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn ;D
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Is this the same as a Des deadline?
If so, ill check Wednesday :)
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That"s hopeful Dann!!
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The list of successful teams and the schedule of events will be released on the APAT Forum sometime over this weekend.
At least they didn"t say SOOOOOOOOOOOOOON ;D ;D ;D
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Shocking behaviour!
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Any announcement today Tom?
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Des told him off so probably be a few weeks now :)
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Just putting finishing touches to the forum topic - should be out by 21:00
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15 people on this thread - no pressure
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He"s waiting until X-Factor has finished...
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Team List HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14788.0)
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Woohoo, we"re in - thanks Tom!
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Looking forward to this in my home town casino too.
Voyage in Poker FTW. ;) ;D
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Although I"m completely unbiased. GNF! GNF! GNF! :D Can
we they do it 3 times in a row?!...
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Judas ! Judas ! Judas !
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Gonna be LBPNs year!! :)
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Will the reserve list be published , just to see if its worth asking people to commit to holidays etc.
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The 888 forum will be newbies for this event. We play team tourneys on the site and always allow (and expect) soft play and chip dumping between team members 8)
Is this allowed in the APAT Team Championship? I"ve read through previous threads and there seems to be a mixture of opinions, so would be happy to get some advice.
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Oh Gawd. Here we go...........
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The 888 forum will be newbies for this event. We play team tourneys on the site and always allow (and expect) soft play and chip dumping between team members 8)
Is this allowed in the APAT Team Championship? I"ve read through previous threads and there seems to be a mixture of opinions, so would be happy to get some advice.
Shhhhhhhhh....
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Oops. Nothing to see here, move along :-[
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The 888 forum will be newbies for this event. We play team tourneys on the site and always allow (and expect) soft play and chip dumping between team members 8)
Is this allowed in the APAT Team Championship? I"ve read through previous threads and there seems to be a mixture of opinions, so would be happy to get some advice.
If i were you I would grab a tin hat and retreat to the bunker rapidly...
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All joking aside, there looks like some new teams on the list, and there are bound to be some new players at the event aswell, so perhaps a clarification of the rules from APAT would be a good idea and save any further questions.
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Team duke street poker (DSP) are newcomers to this event and are stoked that we got in. hope there"s no soft play between other teams I know if I get a chance to take anyone out it wont bother me if its one of my team as long as my stack makes it to day 2.
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Team play strategy can sometimes be a little different. No one wants to eliminate a fellow team member but hands will clash and it will happen. Chip dumping is a definite no no. I mean what"s the point? The idea is to get as many of your team as deep as possible to accrue points. Dumping chips just weakens the other players stack or eliminates him from the tourney more likely resulting in fewer team points.
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Stoke have an RFID table installed. Will this be used at the event? Have to say live streaming at the last event was pretty unwatchable.
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Last APAT event at Stoke had a live stream that was pretty good
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Last APAT event at Stoke had a live stream that was pretty good
Excellent.
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Has the full schedule for the weekend been confirmed yet?
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Has the full schedule for the weekend been confirmed yet?
Here http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14788.0 (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14788.0)
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Thanks GiMac
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Emails from myself (tombrady[at]hotmail.co.uk) will be sent today confirming details as follows:
To Team Captains for payment of the buyin (£440) plus confirmation of "polo shirt" order if placed
To everyone who has requested one of our pre-booked rooms at the Quality Hotel (100 yds from venue) for Fri/Sat nights at £75 total (single room) or £105 total (double room) (these are available to any team member - drop me an email/PM)
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All Team Captains should have received an email from myself (tombrady[at]hotmail.co.uk) with details for payment of event buyin, UK Team Championship subsidised branded polo shirts, local hotel accommodation booking and team member list - please check your spam/junk folder.
Tom
(a reminded that we have some pre-booked rooms at the Quality Hotel (100 yds from casino/venue) for Fri and Sat night at £75 single or £105 double - available for anyone - drop me an email/PM if you would like buy one)
(also, any time wishing to avail of the subsidised UK Team Championship branded polo shirts then drop me an email/PM)
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No such email or PM received :(
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No such email or PM received :(
Apologies Andrew, the original was sent to Boing Blitz (Brian Yates) - now re-sent to yourself.
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Tom, I have PM"d and emailed you about one of the rooms, please could you confirm you received them, or do I need to just go ahead and book for myself?
Cheers
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Tom, I have PM"d and emailed you about one of the rooms, please could you confirm you received them, or do I need to just go ahead and book for myself?
Cheers
Email received - and room no problem consider it booked (will drop you an email)
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Tom, I have PM"d and emailed you about one of the rooms, please could you confirm you received them, or do I need to just go ahead and book for myself?
Cheers
Email received - and room no problem consider it booked (will drop you an email)
Excellent!!! TYVM
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Tom, I have PM"d and emailed you about one of the rooms, please could you confirm you received them, or do I need to just go ahead and book for myself?
Cheers
Email received - and room no problem consider it booked (will drop you an email)
Does this mean my room is also booked and email on the way
Excellent!!! TYVM
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Hi APAT.
My names Dan Trett and I"m stand-in captain this year for the Newcastle Poker Forum (NPF) as our moderator and owner (Dave "teamdobb" Collins) has agreed to get into a boxing ring for charity. Good luck to him. I"m delighted and honoured with the role and very excited to get down with our team and play some poker with all you guys, obviously aiming to win and bring the trophy to Newcastle but more importantly want to have a good time and drink with all you boys. See our team below;
Dan "Full Tilit" Trett (Captain)
Mark "mark152" Nicholas
Chris "lecpet" Leckie
Chirs "The Spaniard" Lambert
Peter "stumpy" Newton
Karen "mrs stumpy" Newton
Adam "JuniorBomber" Matues
Jamie "Chippy" Rutherford
So yeah just thought I"d come along to this thread to get involved in the early hype and get some banter going with everybody involved. Anybody who's been to a NPF event knows how much fun it is and will appreciate the NPF crowd (like most geordies) just love fun, banter and beer so we like to think our presence will enhance the APAT event experience for everybody. I encourage anybody to come say hello and have a chat with us, we are all throughly pleasant people.
We are obviously delighted to make the final cut and have our places confirmed in the final selection and can"t wait to get down and see all you guys on February 1st. Hope you all had a very Merry Christmas and are excited for 2014.
Cheers,
Dan Trett
NPF Team Captain
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Tom, I have PM"d and emailed you about one of the rooms, please could you confirm you received them, or do I need to just go ahead and book for myself?
Cheers
Email received - and room no problem consider it booked (will drop you an email)
Does this mean my room is also booked and email on the way
Excellent!!! TYVM
sorry that got inserted in the wrong place. can I assume that my room is also booked and the email on the way.
thanks mark
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Hi APAT.
My names Dan Trett and I"m stand-in captain this year for the Newcastle Poker Forum (NPF) as our moderator and owner (Dave "teamdobb" Collins) has agreed to get into a boxing ring for charity. Good luck to him. I"m delighted and honoured with the role and very excited to get down with our team and play some poker with all you guys, obviously aiming to win and bring the trophy to Newcastle but more importantly want to have a good time and drink with all you boys. See our team below;
Dan "Full Tilit" Trett (Captain)
Mark "mark152" Nicholas
Chris "lecpet" Leckie
Chirs "The Spaniard" Lambert
Peter "stumpy" Newton
Karen "mrs stumpy" Newton
Adam "JuniorBomber" Matues
Jamie "Chippy" Rutherford
So yeah just thought I"d come along to this thread to get involved in the early hype and get some banter going with everybody involved. Anybody who's been to a NPF event knows how much fun it is and will appreciate the NPF crowd (like most geordies) just love fun, banter and beer so we like to think our presence will enhance the APAT event experience for everybody. I encourage anybody to come say hello and have a chat with us, we are all throughly pleasant people.
We are obviously delighted to make the final cut and have our places confirmed in the final selection and can"t wait to get down and see all you guys on February 1st. Hope you all had a very Merry Christmas and are excited for 2014.
Cheers,
Dan Trett
NPF Team Captain
I didn"t know Geordies had any banter?!?
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Was it the Newcastle Poker Forum who had a player with a "horses-head" on 2 or 3 years ago?! Manchester, I think ??? ;D I seem to remember he put it on periodically during the tournament, particularly when trying to prevent a "read" on him. Or was it all a dream...? :o
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Admittedly we don"t have much banter, but we do try. ;D
Yeah mate that was our very own "Sean McGuigan", quite a character actually and top bloke. If you google "Sean McGuigan Ironman" you"ll see quite an impressive newspaper article about how he finished the ironman despite having a broken bike. He"s a legend like and loves the banter. Unfortunately he too is taking part in the charity boxing, so won"t be representing us this year. :)
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HETTON SOCIAL POKER TEAM
IAIN AYRE - CAPT
GARY ROBERTS
TERRY OAKLEY
TREVOR ROBERTS
WILLIAM GREENWOOD
PAUL THOMPSON
DAVID MORRIS
NORMAN HALL
Hope the casino beer is tasty :)
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Tom, are you doing a betting book on this?
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Tom, are you doing a betting book on this?
4/5 your pick!
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In the Muck Poker Team:
Dann "Joker" Williams (c)
Dave "Batman" Howard
Chris "Robin" Webber
Dwayne "Bane" Stacey
Michael "Riddler" Perry
Mark "Batboy" Porter
Ian "Enigma" Witt
Mark "The Shark" Rowbottom
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APAT Forum team
Jack "technolog" Prime (c)
Dawn "Laxie" Dineen
Dai "daiboot" Llewellyn
Karen "ChelSeaGal" Mead
Micky "jacklevel06" Paterson
Darren "Newportlad" Shallis
Phil "PHIL_TC" Tompkinson
Stuart "Fatcatstu" Ward
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SKY HITSQUAD TEAM
David ( hitman ) HARVEY ( CAPT)
IAN SENIOR
MICHAEL LEIGH
CARL JONES
DANNY WILLIAMS
RICHARD SKILTON
DUNCAN HOWARTH
KEVIN O HANLON
on behalf of the hitsquad i would like to thank APAT for selecting us to be part of this great occasion again this year , and if last year is anything to go by we will give jack primes forum team a run for there money on the drinking side event, we look forward to meeting up with a lot of the teams we befriended last year
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BLACK COUNTRY POKER CLUB
Andrew Duncan (Capt)
Adam Phelan
Steve Healey
Tony Trippier
Courtney Penn
Debjani Duncan
Darren Hooper
Tod Wood
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Team D.S.P ( Duke Street Poker)
Kevin bell (capt)
Sonia lee
Adam Thomas
James cockerill
Leon holmes
Javid Tattersall
Anthony Newlove
Mandy Newlove
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SKY HITSQUAD TEAM
David ( hitman ) HARVEY ( CAPT)
IAN SENIOR
MICHAEL LEIGH
CARL JONES
DANNY WILLIAMS
RICHARD SKILTON
DUNCAN HOWARTH
KEVIN O HANLON
on behalf of the hitsquad i would like to thank APAT for selecting us to be part of this great occasion again this year , and if last year is anything to go by we will give jack primes forum team a run for there money on the drinking side event, we look forward to meeting up with a lot of the teams we befriended last year
Challenge accepted. Have you met our substitutes, Ger and Paulie?
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The Elite Amateur Poker League
Richard Baker - Captain
Omar Khan
Sue Pearson
Frank Moszkal
Rex Mault
James Lee
Gary Allen
Ed Stanborough
We are ready!!!
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The Hendon Mob Team
Gary Peniket
Allan Macdonald
David Montague
Darren Sprengers
Leon Blackwell
Tony Moores
Denison Ranson
Jason Kemp
Assuming they all pay up that is.. ;D
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The 888poker forum team:
Jenny "gosling67" Sherman (Capt)
Jane "Dinky02" Jones
Danny "mymandann" Shortt
Kayla "mrsdann" Shortt
Denis "denis888" Prickett
Neil "slim71" Roake
Karl "kbvital" Briggs
Steve "FlopMyNutz" Ryan
This is our first time entering the team championship - thanks very much to Tom/Genting for expanding the number of teams playing! Also thanks to 888 for providing the team shirts.
We"ve got most bases covered - fishes, rocks, sharks; drinking champions and those who complain of "dodgy chicken" the next day; quiet ones and those who could talk for Britain. Also hoping to make the most of the home advantage as we have three Stokies (sorry Dann) people who live in Stoke.
Looking forward to a great weekend!
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Team Voyage in Poker
Kev "Silver fox" Bloor
Howard "Pancho" Whittingham
Karen "Tomcat" Tomczak
Jon "Maverick" Davies
Alan "PantumFisher" Sutton
Tom "Scottish Cowboy" Hall
Craig "Denham86" Denham
Chae "Kingkebab" Berry
Going to be good fun this.
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Newcomer team to APAT! Thank for accepting our team.
UK Deaf Poker
Stephen Draper (Captain)
Damon Delanely
Kabwe Kabosha
Carol Preston
Ben Simpson
Peter Singh
Calum Macleod
Steven Dickinson
None of us won any WSOP bracelets or ever APAT medals but I guarantee you we will give some of you headache ;-)
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SKY HITSQUAD TEAM
David ( hitman ) HARVEY ( CAPT)
IAN SENIOR
MICHAEL LEIGH
CARL JONES
DANNY WILLIAMS
RICHARD SKILTON
DUNCAN HOWARTH
KEVIN O HANLON
on behalf of the hitsquad i would like to thank APAT for selecting us to be part of this great occasion again this year , and if last year is anything to go by we will give jack primes forum team a run for there money on the drinking side event, we look forward to meeting up with a lot of the teams we befriended last year
Challenge accepted. Have you met our substitutes, Ger and Paulie?
HA! They drafted me in for those duties after hearing about Cardiff .... best alert the Police ;-)
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ILovePlayingPoker
Ian "GFC Fan" Matthews (Capt)
Andy "The Same" Cairns
Dinos "The Klup" Patrinos
Lynford "Snap" Hall
Mark "Eachie" Heathfield
David "Thrappers" Underwood
Fred "Obefour" Walker
Ted "Gnashers" Smith
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Team Blue Blood Poker
Gordon "GiMac" McArthur Captain
Simon "Soothsayer60" Hyde
Jeremy "jdog" Brown
Steve "BlueBloodOwl" Ball
Jonathan "Gil3000" Gill
John "yoda777" Burberry
Hamish "nimoj1" Morjaria
Ross "Yeaman" Patman
(plus a 1st reserve)
Really looking forward to this and improving on last years results. Thanks to APAT for the invitation again and gl to all the other teams taking part.
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Team LMC Poker is proud to be accepted into the APAT Team Championships. The team is as follows:-
Ross Rossyboy Hibbert (capt)
Thomas Young Hibbo Hibbert
Neil Chip Collector Birtwell
Stuart The Village Thomson
Chris Casper Smith
Kenny Kennylad Stewart
Anthony Chinny Collinge
David Fullboat Scothern
Cheers and looking forward to having one over team LBPN xxxxx
4d 5d
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Bristol & South West Meetup Team
Duffy "Duffnutz" Captain
Paul "Smudger" Smtih
Stu "PID" Pillinger
Shane "Shaner" Matthews
Sam "Solid" Swannick
James "Lucksucker" Newman
Christian "Monkey" Williams
Cecilia "Sparkie" Spark
Team orange is back.......
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Frome Poker Group
Team FPG
Stuart Greenan - Capt (Sleeves)
Guy Gullen
Mark Morris
Chris Rowswell
Paul Bond
Dan Crabbe
Craig Brennan
James Orchard
Looking forward to a cracking weekend...
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Team LMC Poker is proud to be accepted into the APAT Team Championships. The team is as follows:-
Ross Rossyboy Hibbert (capt)
Thomas Young Hibbo Hibbert
Neil Chip Collector Birtwell
Stuart The Village Thomson
Chris Casper Smith
Kenny Kennylad Stewart
Anthony Chinny Collinge
David Fullboat Scothern
Cheers and looking forward to having one over team LBPN xxxxx
4d 5d
IN UR DREAMS
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Team LMC Poker is proud to be accepted into the APAT Team Championships. The team is as follows:-
Ross Rossyboy Hibbert (capt)
Thomas Young Hibbo Hibbert
Neil Chip Collector Birtwell
Stuart The Village Thomson
Chris Casper Smith
Kenny Kennylad Stewart
Anthony Chinny Collinge
David Fullboat Scothern
Cheers and looking forward to having one over team LBPN xxxxx
4d 5d
IN UR DREAMS
There is plenty of time to discuss the terms of the side bet/prop bet Barry ;) :D
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Team LMC Poker is proud to be accepted into the APAT Team Championships. The team is as follows:-
Ross Rossyboy Hibbert (capt)
Thomas Young Hibbo Hibbert
Neil Chip Collector Birtwell
Stuart The Village Thomson
Chris Casper Smith
Kenny Kennylad Stewart
Anthony Chinny Collinge
David Fullboat Scothern
Cheers and looking forward to having one over team LBPN xxxxx
4d 5d
IN UR DREAMS
There is plenty of time to discuss the terms of the side bet/prop bet Barry ;) :D
In your dreams all of you!! :P
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Thanks to APAT for a place in the best Tournament of the season
Team "Yorkshire Poker Club"
Adrian Long
Andrea Landa
Anthony "The Tyke" Williams
Gary Dawson
Mel Lofthouse
Paul Wilson
Steve Brooke
Wayne Parker (Capt)
The rest of the teams may as well not bother turning up now that I have posted the Yorkshire team
YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6VLYpKGVBUg
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BLACK COUNTRY POKER CLUB
ANDREW DUNCAN (CAPT)
Adam Phelan
Steve Healey
Tony Trippier
Courtney Penn
Debjani Duncan
Darren Hooper
Tod Wood
FYP :D
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Thanks to APAT for a place in the best Tournament of the season
Team "Yorkshire Poker Club"
Adrian Long
Andrea Landa
Anthony "The Tyke" Williams
Gary Dawson
Mel Lofthouse
Paul Wilson
Steve Brooke
Wayne Parker (Capt)
The rest of the teams may as well not bother turning up now that I have posted the Yorkshire team
YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE YORKSHIRE
My word Wayne,
What an awesomely fantastic team you have produced.
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BLACK COUNTRY POKER CLUB
ANDREW DUNCAN (CAPT)
Adam Phelan
Steve Healey
Tony Trippier
Courtney Penn
Debjani Duncan
Darren Hooper
Tod Wood
FYP :D
I laughed.
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BLACK COUNTRY POKER CLUB
ANDREW DUNCAN (CAPT)
Adam Phelan
Steve Healey
Tony Trippier
Courtney Penn
Debjani Duncan
Darren Hooper
Tod Wood
FYP :D
I laughed.
+ 1 :D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6VLYpKGVBUg
;D ;D ;D
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SKY HITSQUAD TEAM
David ( hitman ) HARVEY ( CAPT)
IAN SENIOR
MICHAEL LEIGH
CARL JONES
DANNY WILLIAMS
RICHARD SKILTON
DUNCAN HOWARTH
KEVIN O HANLON
on behalf of the hitsquad i would like to thank APAT for selecting us to be part of this great occasion again this year , and if last year is anything to go by we will give jack primes forum team a run for there money on the drinking side event, we look forward to meeting up with a lot of the teams we befriended last year
Challenge accepted. Have you met our substitutes, Ger and Paulie?
CANCEL THAT CHALLENGE PLEASE AS MISSION NOW IMPOSSIBLE
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TEAM LBPN are proud to be part of the most recognised UK poker team event and hopefully our star studded team will perform at the top of their games and put together our deepest run yet:
Lee "ShoveOnMe" Barrett (Captain)
Ian "The Count" Szerlowski (Vice Captain)
Mike "NotAces" Scothern
Barry "RedBaz" Simpson
Andrew "The Phoenix" Young
Martin "iStack" Towers
Damon "FishHooks" Clark
Carl "Dinky" Drinkwater
Good luck LMC - you"re gonna need it!
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Team is prepped and running good.
Blackbelt Poker Team is:
Jon "OurKid888" Laight
Tristan "Tristiano" Chaplin
Ken "NPStars1" Johnston
Paul "Lamby" Lamonby
Dawn "Bagpuss" Cooke
Nick "Penfold666" Mazur
Danny "Iceman" Seabury
Andy "RedKite" Brisland.
See yers all soon.
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Have updated the spreadsheet to now (11.15am 10/1/13)
Waiting for teams from the following:
A World of Poker
Blonde Poker
Edgworth Cricket Club
FISO
Gambling Network Forum
Genting Southport
London Poker Meetup
LPPL
Midlands Poker Forum
Thanks to all the teams who have revealed their lineups so far.
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R.I.P VAINO TILK, You will be sadly and greatly missed at this event, was looking forward to raising a glass with you! :( :"( :o :( - legend
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The Midlands Poker Forum line-up will be
Dave Allan (c)
Andy Bailless
Dave Griffiths
Michael Hart
Richard Jenking
Kevin O"Driscoll
Mike Ramsay
Michael Swann
Entry fee shipped to your account as requested .......
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Tom Entry fees and shirt payment transferred today for VIP team.
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The Midlands Poker Forum line-up will be
Dave Allan (c)
Andy Bailless
Dave Griffiths
Michael Hart
Richard Jenking
Kevin O"Driscoll
Mike Ramsay
Michael Swann
Entry fee shipped to your account as requested .......
Confirmed by email Dave, thanks.
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Hi Tom
The Edgworth Cricket Club team is...
Brian Frew
Dave Musker
Nick Kernick
Andy Kernick
Craig Dawson
Andy Howard
Carl Norris
Frank Bailie
Entry fee shipped.
Cheers
Brian
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Have updated the spreadsheet to now (9.53pm 12/1/14)
Waiting for teams from the following:
A World of Poker
Blonde Poker
Edgworth Cricket Club
FISO
Gambling Network Forum
Genting Southport
London Poker Meetup
LPPL
Midlands Poker Forum
Thanks to all the teams who have revealed their lineups so far.
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Tom Entry fees and shirt payment transferred today for VIP team.
Confirmed by email Kev, thanks.
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And the Blonde Poker forum team is:
Asa McGrath
Adam Sharples
Steve Roderick
Derrick Andrews
Gary Phillips
Graham Codd
Matt Harris
Callum Morgan
Good luck to the rest of you... you might need it..
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And the Blonde Poker forum team is:
Asa McGrath
Adam Sharples
Steve Roderick
Derrick Andrews
Gary Phillips
Graham Codd
Matt Harris
Callum Morgan
Good luck to the rest of you... you might need it..
Why?
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And the Blonde Poker forum team is:
Asa McGrath
Adam Sharples
Steve Roderick
Derrick Andrews
Gary Phillips
Graham Codd
Matt Harris
Callum Morgan
Good luck to the rest of you... you might need it..
Why?
because you will be drunk( as usual )
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And the Blonde Poker forum team is:
Asa McGrath
Adam Sharples
Steve Roderick
Derrick Andrews
Gary Phillips
Graham Codd
Matt Harris
Callum Morgan
Good luck to the rest of you... you might need it..
Why?
because you will be drunk( as usual )
And this will effect your chances of winning how? The way I hear it, a proper poker player dropped out and they replaced him with a baldy welsh fish?!?!? ;)
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true true :D :D
whats your excuse for playing then LOL
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true true :D :D
whats your excuse for playing then LOL
Jack wanted a world champion in his side :D
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And the Blonde Poker forum team is:
Asa McGrath
Adam Sharples
Steve Roderick
Derrick Andrews
Gary Phillips
Graham Codd
Matt Harris
Callum Morgan
Good luck to the rest of you... you might need it..
Why?
because you will be drunk( as usual )
And this will effect your chances of winning how? The way I hear it, a proper poker player dropped out and they replaced him with a baldy welsh fish?!?!? ;)
You heard wrong! lol
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And the Blonde Poker forum team is:
Asa McGrath
Adam Sharples
Steve Roderick
Derrick Andrews
Gary Phillips
Graham Codd
Matt Harris
Callum Morgan
Good luck to the rest of you... you might need it..
Why?
because you will be drunk( as usual )
And this will effect your chances of winning how? The way I hear it, a proper poker player dropped out and they replaced him with a baldy welsh fish?!?!? ;)
You heard wrong! lol
Shhhhh woman!!! i am starting the mental disintegration of team Blonde!!
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[i am starting the mental disintegration of team Blonde!!
A process started a looooong time ago.
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The Hendon Mob Team
Gary Peniket
Allan Macdonald
David Montague
Darren Sprengers
Leon Blackwell
Tony Moores
Denison Ranson
Jason Kemp
Assuming they all pay up that is.. ;D
Payment sent this evening, well most of it anyhow ;)
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[i am starting the mental disintegration of team Blonde!!
A process started a looooong time ago.
We have successfully planted Agent Gollum alongside Agent Baldyfish in their ranks. Mission success is now predicted to be at least a 90% certainty
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[i am starting the mental disintegration of team Blonde!!
A process started a looooong time ago.
We have successfully planted Agent Gollum alongside Agent Baldyfish in their ranks. Mission success is now predicted to be at least a 90% certainty
Both have already been turned into double agents, their mission, a secret ( I HAVE to see a certain person wearing a certain shirt)!!!
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Both have already been turned into double agents, their mission, a secret ( I HAVE to see a certain person wearing a certain shirt)!!!
The captain is heard from....also known Agent Donkamoff
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London Poker Meetup
Matt Carter (c)
Simon Brooke
Mick Doyle
Paul Newbury
Dave Potts
Nigel Rantor
Pedro Simoes
David Trigg
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And the Blonde Poker forum team is:
Asa McGrath
Adam Sharples
Steve Roderick
Derrick Andrews
Gary Phillips
Graham Codd
Matt Harris
Callum Morgan
Good luck to the rest of you... you might need it..
Why?
because you will be drunk( as usual )
And this will effect your chances of winning how? The way I hear it, a proper poker player dropped out and they replaced him with a baldy welsh fish?!?!? ;)
Not at all. We have been looking at and discussing the teams we need to focus on beating to ensure the success of Team Blonde - your team never came up :P
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And the moment you"ve all been waiting for...
Introducing the defending undisputed APAT team champions of the world (or at least UK):
Two-time APAT UK Team Champion Phil "FirePhil" Laws (captain)
Season 5 APAT UK Team Championship winning captain Rob "Swinebag" Swindells
Three-time APAT UK Team Champion Rod "rodbuck" Buckman
Two-time APAT UK Team Champion Andy "Cayton" Walker
Two-time APAT UK Team Champion Tom "tfeilding" Feilding
One-time APAT UK Team Champion John "JP" Patten
Two-time APAT UK Team Champion Paddy "ThePadster" Kelly
Future APAT UK Team Champion Rob "willrobrobu" Hallworth
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And the Blonde Poker forum team is:
Asa McGrath
Adam Sharples
Steve Roderick
Derrick Andrews
Gary Phillips
Graham Codd
Matt Harris
Callum Morgan
Good luck to the rest of you... you might need it..
Why?
because you will be drunk( as usual )
And this will effect your chances of winning how? The way I hear it, a proper poker player dropped out and they replaced him with a baldy welsh fish?!?!? ;)
Not at all. We have been looking at and discussing the teams we need to focus on beating to ensure the success of Team Blonde - your team never came up :P
Success is all relevant tho. For blonde this would include having any players left in after the first break.
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The 888 forum will be newbies for this event. We play team tourneys on the site and always allow (and expect) soft play and chip dumping between team members 8)
Is this allowed in the APAT Team Championship? I"ve read through previous threads and there seems to be a mixture of opinions, so would be happy to get some advice.
APAT recognise that a small amount of soft play may be inevitable in this style of format, however chip dumping and collusion is not acceptable and will lead to penalty and possible team disqualification. When in doubt, players should apply everyday poker logic to their decision making.
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And the moment you"ve all been waiting for...
Introducing the defending undisputed APAT team champions of the world (or at least UK):
Two-time APAT UK Team Champion Phil "FirePhil" Laws (captain)
Season 5 APAT UK Team Championship winning captain Rob "Swinebag" Swindells
Three-time APAT UK Team Champion Rod "rodbuck" Buckman
Two-time APAT UK Team Champion Andy "Cayton" Walker
Two-time APAT UK Team Champion Tom "tfeilding" Feilding
One-time APAT UK Team Champion John "JP" Patten
Two-time APAT UK Team Champion Paddy "ThePadster" Kelly
Future APAT UK Team Champion Rob "willrobrobu" Hallworth
lol!! Excellent!! :D
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The 888 forum will be newbies for this event. We play team tourneys on the site and always allow (and expect) soft play and chip dumping between team members 8)
Is this allowed in the APAT Team Championship? I"ve read through previous threads and there seems to be a mixture of opinions, so would be happy to get some advice.
APAT recognise that a small amount of soft play may be inevitable in this style of format, however chip dumping and collusion is not acceptable and will lead to penalty and possible team disqualification. When in doubt, players should apply everyday poker logic to their decision making.
Thanks Tom - good to know where we stand
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The 888 forum will be newbies for this event. We play team tourneys on the site and always allow (and expect) soft play and chip dumping between team members 8)
Is this allowed in the APAT Team Championship? I"ve read through previous threads and there seems to be a mixture of opinions, so would be happy to get some advice.
APAT recognise that a small amount of soft play may be inevitable in this style of format, however chip dumping and collusion is not acceptable and will lead to penalty and possible team disqualification. When in doubt, players should apply everyday poker logic to their decision making.
Here we go again. Obviously collusion is not acceptable in any format of the game, however poker logic in a team game says that the longer you and your team mates stay in the tourney, the better. If this means passing them some chips within the rules of the game then so be it. IMHO it is up to the other players on the table to spot this situation and change their game accordingly to take advantage.
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If this means passing them some chips within the rules of the game then so be it.
That falls under "soft play", at least as far as I understand it.
Obvious chip dumping should be called into question by any/all players at the table.
FLOOR!
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Tom, If you are staying at the Quality, Can you leave the blonde teams t shirts at the reception for me to pick up Friday on behalf of Asa please?. Saves you taking them to the casino and me carrying them back again.
Thanks in advance :)
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If this means passing them some chips within the rules of the game then so be it.
That falls under "soft play", at least as far as I understand it.
Obvious chip dumping should be called into question by any/all players at the table.
FLOOR!
I remember this was a hot topic of debate during the Online League. How can you quantify what is chip dumping in this format, where it"s in your best interests to see teams mates on your table surviving as long as possible, thereby increasing your chances of your team winning?
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If this means passing them some chips within the rules of the game then so be it.
That falls under "soft play", at least as far as I understand it.
Obvious chip dumping should be called into question by any/all players at the table.
FLOOR!
I remember this was a hot topic of debate during the Online League. How can you quantify what is chip dumping in this format, where it"s in your best interests to see teams mates on your table surviving as long as possible, thereby increasing your chances of your team winning?
There"s a difference in folding Aces to a team-mates all-in to raise-folding to a short-stacked team-mates raise to pass chips.
In case of doubt...call the floor.
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If this means passing them some chips within the rules of the game then so be it.
That falls under "soft play", at least as far as I understand it.
Obvious chip dumping should be called into question by any/all players at the table.
FLOOR!
I remember this was a hot topic of debate during the Online League. How can you quantify what is chip dumping in this format, where it"s in your best interests to see teams mates on your table surviving as long as possible, thereby increasing your chances of your team winning?
There"s a difference in folding Aces to a team-mates all-in to raise-folding to a short-stacked team-mates raise to pass chips.
In case of doubt...call the floor.
All well and good but once one team calls the floor you then run the risk of tit-for-tat situations...the floor will have an extremely busy night.
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All well and good but once one team calls the floor you then run the risk of tit-for-tat situations...the floor will have an extremely busy night.
I would hope we"re all more grownup than that.
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If this means passing them some chips within the rules of the game then so be it.
That falls under "soft play", at least as far as I understand it.
Obvious chip dumping should be called into question by any/all players at the table.
FLOOR!
I remember this was a hot topic of debate during the Online League. How can you quantify what is chip dumping in this format, where it"s in your best interests to see teams mates on your table surviving as long as possible, thereby increasing your chances of your team winning?
There"s a difference in folding Aces to a team-mates all-in to raise-folding to a short-stacked team-mates raise to pass chips.
In case of doubt...call the floor.
The difference being that the first one nobody would ever know you had done it to be able to call the floor, the second one could be countered by anyone else at the table knowing you were probably raising light and being able to take advantage.
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All well and good but once one team calls the floor you then run the risk of tit-for-tat situations...the floor will have an extremely busy night.
I would hope we"re all more grownup than that.
The point I"m making is that in a team event format, soft play and chip dumping is inevitable. Ultimately the team situation is more important than any individual glory.
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All well and good but once one team calls the floor you then run the risk of tit-for-tat situations...the floor will have an extremely busy night.
I would hope we"re all more grownup than that.
The point I"m making is that in a team event format, soft play and chip dumping is inevitable. Ultimately the team situation is more important than any individual glory.
Just because it"s inevitable, doesn"t make it right. It"s a honour thing and I"d like to think we"ll all play with honour.
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Tom, If you are staying at the Quality, Can you leave the blonde teams t shirts at the reception for me to pick up Friday on behalf of Asa please?. Saves you taking them to the casino and me carrying them back again.
Thanks in advance :)
Sure no problem.
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All well and good but once one team calls the floor you then run the risk of tit-for-tat situations...the floor will have an extremely busy night.
I would hope we"re all more grownup than that.
The point I"m making is that in a team event format, soft play and chip dumping is inevitable. Ultimately the team situation is more important than any individual glory.
Just because it"s inevitable, doesn"t make it right. It"s a honour thing and I"d like to think we"ll all play with honour.
So imagine a situation where the title is close to being decided, and a team has two players left in, and are on the verge of victory. One is huge chip leader and bullying the table, but the other is short-stacked and on the same table. The big stack opens for 2x as he has done for the past ten hands in a row.... his short stacked team mate then shoves for 4x and it folds back round to the original raiser. Clearly, in poker terms he has to call - folding is not an option....... If he calls, he MIGHT lose the hand and double his team-mate up, but he might also win/suckout and bust his team-mate, and hand the title to another team. Therefore, in the team context, folding is absolutely correct - but in poker terms, this would be soft play.
I hate this debate - it"s been going on forever. If we are to continue with "TEAM POKER", surely we just have to bite the bullet and recognise that usual poker rules don"t apply when it comes to chip dumping, soft play, etc. It"s either an Individual tournament or it"s a Team tournament - the rules don"t necessarily fit both formats.
For me, soft play and chip passing should be an integral part of Team Poker, and it"s up to the other teams to see it happening and to take advantage. Like all poker, it"s about adjusting to varying dynamics...... Team Poker could become a really exciting concept if we were to embrace it fully, rather than trying to apply rules that don"t fit the concept.
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See, I think soft play is ok, I won"t be playing massive hands against action from a team mate, but I will also not be chip dumping as I think that is wrong.
There should be some space left in this tourny for the team whose players play best to win, not just the ones who can carry dead weight for longest.
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See, I think soft play is ok, I won"t be playing massive hands against action from a team mate, but I will also not be chip dumping as I think that is wrong.
There should be some space left in this tourny for the team whose players play best to win, not just the ones who can carry dead weight for longest.
Saved me the trouble of typing the same
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All well and good but once one team calls the floor you then run the risk of tit-for-tat situations...the floor will have an extremely busy night.
I would hope we"re all more grownup than that.
The point I"m making is that in a team event format, soft play and chip dumping is inevitable. Ultimately the team situation is more important than any individual glory.
Just because it"s inevitable, doesn"t make it right. It"s a honour thing and I"d like to think we"ll all play with honour.
So imagine a situation where the title is close to being decided, and a team has two players left in, and are on the verge of victory. One is huge chip leader and bullying the table, but the other is short-stacked and on the same table. The big stack opens for 2x as he has done for the past ten hands in a row.... his short stacked team mate then shoves for 4x and it folds back round to the original raiser. Clearly, in poker terms he has to call - folding is not an option....... If he calls, he MIGHT lose the hand and double his team-mate up, but he might also win/suckout and bust his team-mate, and hand the title to another team. Therefore, in the team context, folding is absolutely correct - but in poker terms, this would be soft play.
I hate this debate - it"s been going on forever. If we are to continue with "TEAM POKER", surely we just have to bite the bullet and recognise that usual poker rules don"t apply when it comes to chip dumping, soft play, etc. It"s either an Individual tournament or it"s a Team tournament - the rules don"t necessarily fit both formats.
For me, soft play and chip passing should be an integral part of Team Poker, and it"s up to the other teams to see it happening and to take advantage. Like all poker, it"s about adjusting to varying dynamics...... Team Poker could become a really exciting concept if we were to embrace it fully, rather than trying to apply rules that don"t fit the concept.
I agree with this post but the rules are the rules. I thought this one was settled actually and APAT had said it is not allowed. It us a shame because it would improve the event but it is banned.
If this (paragraph 1) happens in Stoke there should be a severe penalty (player DQ as it is cheating). That is the rule and it should be applied otherwise it just becomes even more confusing.
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All well and good but once one team calls the floor you then run the risk of tit-for-tat situations...the floor will have an extremely busy night.
I would hope we"re all more grownup than that.
The point I"m making is that in a team event format, soft play and chip dumping is inevitable. Ultimately the team situation is more important than any individual glory.
Just because it"s inevitable, doesn"t make it right. It"s a honour thing and I"d like to think we"ll all play with honour.
So imagine a situation where the title is close to being decided, and a team has two players left in, and are on the verge of victory. One is huge chip leader and bullying the table, but the other is short-stacked and on the same table. The big stack opens for 2x as he has done for the past ten hands in a row.... his short stacked team mate then shoves for 4x and it folds back round to the original raiser. Clearly, in poker terms he has to call - folding is not an option....... If he calls, he MIGHT lose the hand and double his team-mate up, but he might also win/suckout and bust his team-mate, and hand the title to another team. Therefore, in the team context, folding is absolutely correct - but in poker terms, this would be soft play.
I hate this debate - it"s been going on forever. If we are to continue with "TEAM POKER", surely we just have to bite the bullet and recognise that usual poker rules don"t apply when it comes to chip dumping, soft play, etc. It"s either an Individual tournament or it"s a Team tournament - the rules don"t necessarily fit both formats.
For me, soft play and chip passing should be an integral part of Team Poker, and it"s up to the other teams to see it happening and to take advantage. Like all poker, it"s about adjusting to varying dynamics...... Team Poker could become a really exciting concept if we were to embrace it fully, rather than trying to apply rules that don"t fit the concept.
I couldn"t agree more with this. In a recent Online team championship a team was disqualified for perceived chip dumping then subsequently re-instated. I"m highlighting that not as a slight against that team, but more to emphasise the point that these team formats don"t follow "normal" poker logic, and in trying to apply "rules" regarding chip passing/dumping you open a huge can of worms IMO.
In any case it"s a 240 player MTT so instances of team-mates being on the same table are going to be rare.
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I hate this debate - it"s been going on forever. If we are to continue with "TEAM POKER", surely we just have to bite the bullet and recognise that usual poker rules don"t apply when it comes to chip dumping, soft play, etc. It"s either an Individual tournament or it"s a Team tournament - the rules don"t necessarily fit both formats.
For me, soft play and chip passing should be an integral part of Team Poker, and it"s up to the other teams to see it happening and to take advantage. Like all poker, it"s about adjusting to varying dynamics...... Team Poker could become a really exciting concept if we were to embrace it fully, rather than trying to apply rules that don"t fit the concept.
Totally agree.
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In any case it"s a 240 player MTT so instances of team-mates being on the same table are going to be rare.
Correct in the early stages when the tourney is deep, and raise/folding for team advantage is less obvious..... but when it gets to the business end, team players sharing tables is going to happen when stacks are shallower and raise/folds become very obvious, and at a critical time.
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I thought this one was settled actually and APAT had said it is not allowed. It us a shame because it would improve the event but it is banned.
If this (paragraph 1) happens in Stoke there should be a severe penalty (player DQ as it is cheating). That is the rule and it should be applied otherwise it just becomes even more confusing.
APAT did and so that is the rule and, I would hope, it will be applied in the unlikely event that it actually happens.
I, for one, think we should have a proper Team event.
Soft play and all other team tactics allowed including physical chip passing between hands and in-play hand discussions.
Team prizes only with no individual prizes to cut out the individual element.
Could be a hoot!
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Agree Paulie... thought this for some time. APAT are very good at being innovative - I challenge APAT to support a Team Event where soft play, chip passing/dumping, etc are all allowable and expected, and where the team that performs best as a team is the winner.
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For me, soft play and chip passing should be an integral part of Team Poker, and it"s up to the other teams to see it happening and to take advantage. Like all poker, it"s about adjusting to varying dynamics
100% this
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If this (paragraph 1) happens in Stoke there should be a severe penalty (player DQ as it is cheating). That is the rule and it should be applied otherwise it just becomes even more confusing.
APAT did and so that is the rule and, I would hope, it will be applied in the unlikely event that it actually happens.
I can predict two things. Chips will be passed. No-one will be disqualified. You want to start a riot? You guys better learn to adapt to the situation.
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I thought this one was settled actually and APAT had said it is not allowed. It us a shame because it would improve the event but it is banned.
If this (paragraph 1) happens in Stoke there should be a severe penalty (player DQ as it is cheating). That is the rule and it should be applied otherwise it just becomes even more confusing.
APAT did and so that is the rule and, I would hope, it will be applied in the unlikely event that it actually happens.
I, for one, think we should have a proper Team event.
Soft play and all other team tactics allowed including physical chip passing between hands and in-play hand discussions.
Team prizes only with no individual prizes to cut out the individual element.
Could be a hoot!
LIKE - Side event somewhere maybe?
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I thought this one was settled actually and APAT had said it is not allowed. It us a shame because it would improve the event but it is banned.
If this (paragraph 1) happens in Stoke there should be a severe penalty (player DQ as it is cheating). That is the rule and it should be applied otherwise it just becomes even more confusing.
APAT did and so that is the rule and, I would hope, it will be applied in the unlikely event that it actually happens.
Without having every mucked hand turned over for the table"s perusal and subsequent vote, who is to say that a hand shouldn"t be mucked?
Do we then get to the stage where after a team mate folds to a large post flop bet, we then need to check his hand to see if he really should have been calling pre?
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Without having every mucked hand turned over for the table"s perusal and subsequent vote, who is to say that a hand shouldn"t be mucked?
Do we then get to the stage where after a team mate folds to a large post flop bet, we then need to check his hand to see if he really should have been calling pre?
If it"s the rule (and it is) then only if the floor is called.
If the floor isn"t called...leave it and move on.
I predict there will NOT be a lot of floor calls.....we"re better than that.
As I recall, the only reason why "team play" in general was ruled out of bounds was because there was an individual prize to be won and players didn"t want any "team play" to affect that part of the competition.
While there are individual prizes &/or added value I think the rule against it should stay in place and be enforced when asked.
Otherwise, a full team prize with all "team play" options in place.
Talk to IrishTom....I think this would be a fun change for S8.
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Just win it with 30 or so left like the last few seasons. Easy then!!
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Guys, we"ve stated the rules that will be in place for Stoke - and as Paulie says, this is correct because we have an "individual prize" as part of the event (from my perspective anyway) - collusion, chip dumping and soft play can/will affect this and therefore anyone breaking the rules will be punished as stated - to be determined by the Venue/APAT Host.
I will look to discuss the subject further with Des/Matt post-Stoke where I will put forward the "argument" to allow "team play - within reason" (to be determined) if we have a team event from Season 8 onwards that does not include individual prizes.
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Guys, we"ve stated the rules that will be in place for Stoke - and as Paulie says, this is correct because we have an "individual prize" as part of the event (from my perspective anyway) - collusion, chip dumping and soft play can/will affect this and therefore anyone breaking the rules will be punished as stated - to be determined by the Venue/APAT Host.
It"s actually not possible to identify the majority of times when this rule is broken..... if someone raises with AA, and gets a caller, then their team mate shoves, and they then fold their AA - how will anyone ever know that soft play has occurred? So, whilst having a rule is great, actually enforcing it is impossible.
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Guys, we"ve stated the rules that will be in place for Stoke - and as Paulie says, this is correct because we have an "individual prize" as part of the event (from my perspective anyway) - collusion, chip dumping and soft play can/will affect this and therefore anyone breaking the rules will be punished as stated - to be determined by the Venue/APAT Host.
It"s actually not possible to identify the majority of times when this rule is broken..... if someone raises with AA, and gets a caller, then their team mate shoves, and they then fold their AA - how will anyone ever know that soft play has occurred? So, whilst having a rule is great, actually enforcing it is impossible.
This is why it"s acknowledges that "soft play" of that nature can (and probably will) happen but chip dumping and other team tactics such as team players joining together to raise players out of a pot (I think it"s called rip-sawing") are not allowed.
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Guys, we"ve stated the rules that will be in place for Stoke - and as Paulie says, this is correct because we have an "individual prize" as part of the event (from my perspective anyway) - collusion, chip dumping and soft play can/will affect this and therefore anyone breaking the rules will be punished as stated - to be determined by the Venue/APAT Host.
It"s actually not possible to identify the majority of times when this rule is broken..... if someone raises with AA, and gets a caller, then their team mate shoves, and they then fold their AA - how will anyone ever know that soft play has occurred? So, whilst having a rule is great, actually enforcing it is impossible.
This is why it"s acknowledges that "soft play" of that nature can (and probably will) happen but chip dumping and other team tactics such as team players joining together to raise players out of a pot (I think it"s called rip-sawing") are not allowed.
the point is though, that it often cannot be proven. Therefore, any player/team that is punished for breaking such a rule has a right to feel aggrieved given that it"s a cast iron certainty that the rule will have been broken elsewhere by other players during the tourney. If a rule cannot be 100% applied to all hands, and policed accordingly, it is not a good rule.
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I agree.
It"s a good rule though applied to the wrong event type. :)
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I challenge APAT to support a Team Event where soft play, chip passing/dumping, etc are all allowable and expected, and where the team that performs best as a team is the winner.
The main voices advocating floors to be called and disqualifications, namely Paulie, Rodders and (to some extent) Stu, have all said that they like the idea of chip-passing in team events but are opposed to it at Stoke mainly just because it is against the rules of the event.
APAT can resolve this whole silly (and boring) debate that arises every time there is a team competition by just announcing that chip-passing/dumping is absolutely fine and expected; encouraged in fact. This has become a required skill in team events and some people have become very good at it. It is what will happen anyway, so APAT could avoid the hypocrisy that is currently required from players and organisers by saying that anything goes with regard to how people bet with their chips. There is nothing to stop other teams from countering team play with strategies of their own. This is what takes team events to a level not found in individual tournaments.
Here"s to a great event!
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I challenge APAT to support a Team Event where soft play, chip passing/dumping, etc are all allowable and expected, and where the team that performs best as a team is the winner.
The main voices advocating floors to be called and disqualifications, namely Paulie, Rodders and (to some extent) Stu, have all said that they like the idea of chip-passing in team events but are opposed to it at Stoke mainly just because it is against the rules of the event.
APAT can resolve this whole silly (and boring) debate that arises every time there is a team competition by just announcing that chip-passing/dumping is absolutely fine and expected; encouraged in fact. This has become a required skill in team events and some people have become very good at it. It is what will happen anyway, so APAT could avoid the hypocrisy that is currently required from players and organisers by saying that anything goes with regard to how people bet with their chips. There is nothing to stop other teams from countering team play with strategies of their own. This is what takes team events to a level not found in individual tournaments.
Here"s to a great event!
Some very good points made over the past few pages of this thread. I"m a fan of opening up the event in the way suggested, however I don"t think we should do that when there is an individual prize at stake. So that can be looked at for S8 and I"m sure we can take forward a very exciting concept.
In the interim, let"s all remember that this event has been running in this format for several years now, with lots of highly competitive players and to my knowledge, we"ve never had a single issue relating to abuse of the rules.
When we get down to the business end, if chip dumping appears to be taking place we can easily ask to see the folding player"s cards pre muck. With two or three tables left, that would be very easy to enforce. But we"ve not had to do it previously and if the event is played in the spirit that it has always been played in previously, then we won"t have to do it in Stoke either.
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I challenge APAT to support a Team Event where soft play, chip passing/dumping, etc are all allowable and expected, and where the team that performs best as a team is the winner.
The main voices advocating floors to be called and disqualifications, namely Paulie, Rodders and (to some extent) Stu, have all said that they like the idea of chip-passing in team events but are opposed to it at Stoke mainly just because it is against the rules of the event.
Not quite...I"m in favour of a completely team event with no individual element/prize to be affected by "team play".
I"m not against "team play" because there is a rule against it.
I"m against it where there is an an individual element involved (as it is at Stoke) that could be affected by "team play".
Here"s to a great event!
Absolutely.
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As I recall, the only reason why "team play" in general was ruled out of bounds was because there was an individual prize to be won and players didn"t want any "team play" to affect that part of the competition.
That is the wrong way round imo, individual play should not be detrimental to the Team effort.
Is it a team event with an added individual prize or vice versa?
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As I recall, the only reason why "team play" in general was ruled out of bounds was because there was an individual prize to be won and players didn"t want any "team play" to affect that part of the competition.
That is the wrong way round imo, individual play should not be detrimental to the Team effort.
Is it a team event with an added individual prize or vice versa?
^^^^^ Wot he said!!
It"s a Team Championship ffs.
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I think we have to accept that for this year, it is what it is and move on.
Des and Tom have both said they like the idea and will consider it for NEXT year, and that is as good as they can do this close to the event
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I think we have to accept that for this year, it is what it is and move on.
Des and Tom have both said they like the idea and will consider it for NEXT year, and that is as good as they can do this close to the event
+1
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I think we have to accept that for this year, it is what it is and move on.
Des and Tom have both said they like the idea and will consider it for NEXT year, and that is as good as they can do this close to the event
+1
Lol brownie point for paulie and stu ;D.
As two of my team mates have commented above this is a team event and I will be doing my best to achieve the best possible team result. Hopefully I wont be in the situation where I raise and my team mate shoves forcing me to fold just to ladder... ;)
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Tom, If you are staying at the Quality, Can you leave the blonde teams t shirts at the reception for me to pick up Friday on behalf of Asa please?. Saves you taking them to the casino and me carrying them back again.
Thanks in advance :)
Sure no problem.
Thanks Tom
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Hello all :)
I will be heading up the "Genting Southport" team at Stoke and look forward to seeing you all.
For anyone who doesn"t know me, bring earphones.
My team are as follows:
Caroline Cove
Andrea Marshall
Mark McVey
Igor Puskarskis
John Leonard
Craig Turner
James Aughton
Kevin Warrilow
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Hello all :)
I will be heading up the "Genting Southport" team at Stoke and look forward to seeing you all.
For anyone who doesn"t know me, bring earphones.
My team are as follows:
Caroline Cove
Andrea Marshall
Mark McVey
Igor Puskarskis
John Leonard
Craig Turner
James Aughton
Kevin Warrilow
Any one with a spare cook book on how to cook slow roast lamb shank, Caroline would appreciate the loan ;D
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Hello all :)
I will be heading up the "Genting Southport" team at Stoke and look forward to seeing you all.
For anyone who doesn"t know me, bring earphones.
My team are as follows:
Caroline Cove
Andrea Marshall
Mark McVey
Igor Puskarskis
John Leonard
Craig Turner
James Aughton
Kevin Warrilow
Any one with a spare cook book on how to cook slow roast lamb shank, Caroline would appreciate the loan ;D
Joobs is supposedly coming - Caroline can just ask her ;)
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Hi Tom,
Adam Topping here captain of the AWOP team.
I sent an e-mail confirming our team but it looks like you havn"t recieved it.
List of players for the awop team ;
Adam topping (captain)
kev houghton
michelle bennett
glen ashworth
ky hutchinson
derek kavanagh
craig heaton
chris lythgoe
I am nipping into the bank tomorow to transfer the money to your account. Sorry its right on the deadline. We had some last minute drop-outs.
Kind regards
Adam
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BTW i think a super deepstacked cash game, that is streamed, is the best idea in a while. :)
Have just seen this whilst perusing old posts. Please make this happen!
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Hi Tom,
Adam Topping here captain of the AWOP team.
I sent an e-mail confirming our team but it looks like you havn"t recieved it.
List of players for the awop team ;
Adam topping (captain)
kev houghton
michelle bennett
glen ashworth
ky hutchinson
derek kavanagh
craig heaton
chris lythgoe
I am nipping into the bank tomorow to transfer the money to your account. Sorry its right on the deadline. We had some last minute drop-outs.
Kind regards
Adam
No problem Adam - thanks for letting me know.
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Team LPPL:
Gavin "DoubleUp" Doodson
Glenn "G.HOP" Hopley
John "Woody" Woodbridge
Justin "Skippy (DBPT)" Hazeldene
Andy "Southern Star (BGH)" Hall
Maggie "Raggie Maggie ( BGH )" Holt
tbc
tbc
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There are no ranking points for this event, even though it is the hardest tournament of the whole year to win or go deep in (with the single exception of the WCOAP Main Event). Most APAT Main Events run with 120-150 players, whereas the Inter-Forum tournament always has a full 200 players and this time will have 240. Someone who final-tables this will get no points, when someone doing well in a tournament with half the players will get them. Even the International team events accrue rankings points for the top individual finishers.
I don"t know why there are no points for this event. I suspect it is to do with a perception of the event supposedly not being open to all players, but that is clearly not the case - anyone who wishes to play it can easily find a team. And, if someone didn"t find one beforehand, there are always several teams begging for any players to join them to replace dropouts in the week leading up to the event.
I cannot see why ranking points are not awarded for the second-largest and toughest APAT event of the year. The rankings thread states that "additional ranking events may be added during the season at APAT's discretion". Here"s hoping.
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There are no ranking points for this event, even though it is the hardest tournament of the whole year to win or go deep in (with the single exception of the WCOAP Main Event). Most APAT Main Events run with 120-150 players, whereas the Inter-Forum tournament always has a full 200 players and this time will have 240. Someone who final-tables this will get no points, when someone doing well in a tournament with half the players will get them. Even the International team events accrue rankings points for the top individual finishers.
I don"t know why there are no points for this event. I suspect it is to do with a perception of the event supposedly not being open to all players, but that is clearly not the case - anyone who wishes to play it can easily find a team. And, if someone didn"t find one beforehand, there are always several teams begging for any players to join them to replace dropouts in the week leading up to the event.
I cannot see why ranking points are not awarded for the second-largest and toughest APAT event of the year. The rankings thread states that "additional ranking events may be added during the season at APAT's discretion". Here"s hoping.
Good point, well made
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The final lineup for Team LPPL:
Gavin "DoubleUp" Doodson (Team Captain)
Glenn "G.HOP" Hopley
John "Woody" Woodbridge
Justin "Skippy (DBPT)" Hazeldene
Andy "Southern Star (BGH)" Hall
Maggie "Raggie Maggie ( BGH )" Holt
Mandy "Thrilly" Coultard
Andrew "Pitbull" Coultard
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Im pretty sure i have read in a few places, that there are Ranking Points for this event.
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TEAM LBPN are proud to be part of the most recognised UK poker team event and hopefully our star studded team will perform at the top of their games and put together our deepest run yet:
Lee "ShoveOnMe" Barrett (Captain)
Ian "The Count" Szerlowski (Vice Captain)
Mike "NotAces" Scothern
Barry "RedBaz" Simpson
Andrew "The Phoenix" Young
Martin "iStack" Towers
Damon "FishHooks" Clark
Carl "Dinky" Drinkwater
Good luck LMC - you"re gonna need it!
Carl "melon head" Drinkwater is the one to watch
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Hello all :)
I will be heading up the "Genting Southport" team at Stoke and look forward to seeing you all.
For anyone who doesn"t know me, bring earphones.
My team are as follows:
Caroline Cove
Andrea Marshall
Mark McVey
Igor Puskarskis
John Leonard
Craig Turner
James Aughton
Kevin Warrilow
Any one with a spare cook book on how to cook slow roast lamb shank, Caroline would appreciate the loan ;D
Once I"d picked off the charred bits it was.. er ... yep, still inedible.
Pics on FB if anyone thinks this is some dodgy rhyming slang in-joke.
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There are no ranking points for this event, even though it is the hardest tournament of the whole year to win or go deep in (with the single exception of the WCOAP Main Event). Most APAT Main Events run with 120-150 players, whereas the Inter-Forum tournament always has a full 200 players and this time will have 240. Someone who final-tables this will get no points, when someone doing well in a tournament with half the players will get them. Even the International team events accrue rankings points for the top individual finishers.
I don"t know why there are no points for this event. I suspect it is to do with a perception of the event supposedly not being open to all players, but that is clearly not the case - anyone who wishes to play it can easily find a team. And, if someone didn"t find one beforehand, there are always several teams begging for any players to join them to replace dropouts in the week leading up to the event.
I cannot see why ranking points are not awarded for the second-largest and toughest APAT event of the year. The rankings thread states that "additional ranking events may be added during the season at APAT's discretion". Here"s hoping.
Good point, well made
Any more agreeing with John Murray and you"re off the team.
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There are no ranking points for this event, even though it is the hardest tournament of the whole year to win or go deep in (with the single exception of the WCOAP Main Event). Most APAT Main Events run with 120-150 players, whereas the Inter-Forum tournament always has a full 200 players and this time will have 240. Someone who final-tables this will get no points, when someone doing well in a tournament with half the players will get them. Even the International team events accrue rankings points for the top individual finishers.
I don"t know why there are no points for this event. I suspect it is to do with a perception of the event supposedly not being open to all players, but that is clearly not the case - anyone who wishes to play it can easily find a team. And, if someone didn"t find one beforehand, there are always several teams begging for any players to join them to replace dropouts in the week leading up to the event.
I cannot see why ranking points are not awarded for the second-largest and toughest APAT event of the year. The rankings thread states that "additional ranking events may be added during the season at APAT's discretion". Here"s hoping.
Good point, well made
Any more agreeing with John Murray and you"re off the team.
He is still a miserable Damon hill lookylikee.
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Team Duke Street Poker have sent Entry fee to the said account as requested A s Ks Qs Js 10s
lets have it!!
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There are no ranking points for this event, even though it is the hardest tournament of the whole year to win or go deep in (with the single exception of the WCOAP Main Event). Most APAT Main Events run with 120-150 players, whereas the Inter-Forum tournament always has a full 200 players and this time will have 240. Someone who final-tables this will get no points, when someone doing well in a tournament with half the players will get them. Even the International team events accrue rankings points for the top individual finishers.
I don"t know why there are no points for this event. I suspect it is to do with a perception of the event supposedly not being open to all players, but that is clearly not the case - anyone who wishes to play it can easily find a team. And, if someone didn"t find one beforehand, there are always several teams begging for any players to join them to replace dropouts in the week leading up to the event.
I cannot see why ranking points are not awarded for the second-largest and toughest APAT event of the year. The rankings thread states that "additional ranking events may be added during the season at APAT's discretion". Here"s hoping.
Good point, well made
Any more agreeing with John Murray and you"re off the team.
He is still a miserable Damon hill lookylikee.
Nice save teamy.
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Can we please have confirmation that the Team Event in Stoke does have Individual Ranking points attached for the Top 18.
There was a post earlier in the year that stated it would, but as lots of things have changed from Season 7 announcements, id like to make sure.
Also, how will the points work now we have 40 more players involved?? Is it still Top 100 earn points?
Cheers in Advance.
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Des/Irish Tom/Matt D
Can we please have confirmation that the Team Event in Stoke does have Individual Ranking points attached for the Top 18.
There was a post earlier in the year that stated it would, but as lots of things have changed from Season 7 announcements, id like to make sure.
Also, how will the points work now we have 40 more players involved?? Is it still Top 100 earn points?
Cheers in Advance.
IMHO ranking points shocked never be applied to team events as some contenders may find themselves disadvantaged due to having no affiliation to any team
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Regarding the Sunday passport event, can you advise:
When will registration open?
When will the start time be confirmed?
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Des/Irish Tom/Matt D
Can we please have confirmation that the Team Event in Stoke does have Individual Ranking points attached for the Top 18.
There was a post earlier in the year that stated it would, but as lots of things have changed from Season 7 announcements, id like to make sure.
Also, how will the points work now we have 40 more players involved?? Is it still Top 100 earn points?
Cheers in Advance.
IMHO ranking points shocked never be applied to team events as some contenders may find themselves disadvantaged due to having no affiliation to any team
Completely agree, although i am certain it was advertised with Ranking points attached.
I picked my team to include as many players at the top of the Rankings to ensure they had a chance.
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Des/Irish Tom/Matt D
Can we please have confirmation that the Team Event in Stoke does have Individual Ranking points attached for the Top 18.
There was a post earlier in the year that stated it would, but as lots of things have changed from Season 7 announcements, id like to make sure.
Also, how will the points work now we have 40 more players involved?? Is it still Top 100 earn points?
Cheers in Advance.
IMHO ranking points shocked never be applied to team events as some contenders may find themselves disadvantaged due to having no affiliation to any team
Completely agree, although i am certain it was advertised with Ranking points attached.
I picked my team to include as many players at the top of the Rankings to ensure they had a chance.
Please point me to where this was advertised.
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do we have an start time for this event yet or anyone know the latest teams can arrive on the day? Ks Kc
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Des/Irish Tom/Matt D
Can we please have confirmation that the Team Event in Stoke does have Individual Ranking points attached for the Top 18.
There was a post earlier in the year that stated it would, but as lots of things have changed from Season 7 announcements, id like to make sure.
Also, how will the points work now we have 40 more players involved?? Is it still Top 100 earn points?
Cheers in Advance.
IMHO ranking points shocked never be applied to team events as some contenders may find themselves disadvantaged due to having no affiliation to any team
Completely agree, although i am certain it was advertised with Ranking points attached.
I picked my team to include as many players at the top of the Rankings to ensure they had a chance.
Please point me to where this was advertised.
I"ve searched and can"t find it. Deffo saw it as it"s how I decided to pick my team. Wouldn"t have imagined it.
Should have points tho, I mean you can get points when playing for your country, which only a select group get that opportunity, so this event shouldn"t be any diff.
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This tournament is played total different to other games especially when down to the last 4/3 tables, should not have points connected to this game, plus this is open to all not just amateurs
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I"ve searched and can"t find it. Deffo saw it as it"s how I decided to pick my team. Wouldn"t have imagined it.
Should have points tho, I mean you can get points when playing for your country, which only a select group get that opportunity, so this event shouldn"t be any diff.
I think you only get Player of the Series points when playing for your country to offset the other events that are taking place simultaneously. I don"t think ranking points for the season have been issued.
Regarding the Sunday passport event, can you advise:
When will registration open?
When will the start time be confirmed?
And?
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I"ve searched and can"t find it. Deffo saw it as it"s how I decided to pick my team. Wouldn"t have imagined it.
Should have points tho, I mean you can get points when playing for your country, which only a select group get that opportunity, so this event shouldn"t be any diff.
I think you only get Player of the Series points when playing for your country to offset the other events that are taking place simultaneously. I don"t think ranking points for the season have been issued.
This is where it was stated that they would apply: http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=13991.msg226405#new
In the section headed "Notes": "Top 5 individual players in UKCOAP, ECOAP & WCOAP team event will earn ranking points".
I"m pretty sure it has never been stated that points would apply to the Forum Team event, Dann. However, I cannot see why they wouldn"t be. Could APAT please tell us the reason why?
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I"ve searched and can"t find it. Deffo saw it as it"s how I decided to pick my team. Wouldn"t have imagined it.
Should have points tho, I mean you can get points when playing for your country, which only a select group get that opportunity, so this event shouldn"t be any diff.
I think you only get Player of the Series points when playing for your country to offset the other events that are taking place simultaneously. I don"t think ranking points for the season have been issued.
This is where it was stated that they would apply: http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=13991.msg226405#new
In the section headed "Notes": "Top 5 individual players in UKCOAP, ECOAP & WCOAP team event will earn ranking points".
I"m pretty sure it has never been stated that points would apply to the Forum Team event, Dann. However, I cannot see why they wouldn"t be. Could APAT please tell us the reason why?
Please allow me 24 hours to investigate further to clarify the way ahead.
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Any idea which day the seat draw will be announced ?
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Any idea which day the seat draw will be announced ?
On the day, I would imagine, once teams have arrived.
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Any idea which day the seat draw will be announced ?
On the day, I would imagine, once teams have arrived.
Pay attention Paulie, read the OP! I think Ian was asking Tom for clarification.
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As teams/players are buying in in advance then the table draw will be done the weekend before the event and posted to the forum asap thereafter (when received from the venue).
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Also what time?
I read somewhere it was 1.00 but normally it starts at 2.30
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Also what time?
I read somewhere it was 1.00 but normally it starts at 2.30
Think it was recommended that teams get there by 1pm to sort out admin, team shirts, team photos etc etc. We (blonde) are under the assumption it is a 2:30pm start though.
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The full list of events for the weekend can be found HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14788.15) - the Main Event starts at 1pm on Saturday (returning at 2:30pm on Sunday).
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The Player Briefing for the weekend can be found HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=15040.0)
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just to clarify Tom, there is NO meaadels for this? in the past they as alwas been medals for thisl
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just to clarify Tom, there is NO meaadels for this? in the past they as alwas been medals for thisl
just to clarify mate - Player Briefing now corrected! ;)
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I presume I locked this thread by mistake whilst creating the "new Player Briefing" thread - apologies.
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VENUE OPENING TIMES
Noon to 06:00 - PLEASE ARRIVE BY 12:00 (HAVING ALREADY JOINED GENTING AS A MEMBER!) ON SATURDAY TO ALLOW TIME FOR ALL TEAMS TO HAVE A PHOTO TAKEN BEFORE TO THE START OF THE EVENT ON SATURDAY
It maybe a good idea to get them to open at 11, 240 players (plus supporters) attempting to get in at 12.00 means the Genting staff processing at least 4 players a second. Even (a very generous) one every 10 seconds means it will take at least 40 minutes to get everyone in.
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VENUE OPENING TIMES
Noon to 06:00 - PLEASE ARRIVE BY 12:00 (HAVING ALREADY JOINED GENTING AS A MEMBER!) ON SATURDAY TO ALLOW TIME FOR ALL TEAMS TO HAVE A PHOTO TAKEN BEFORE TO THE START OF THE EVENT ON SATURDAY
It maybe a good idea to get them to open at 11, 240 players (plus supporters) attempting to get in at 12.00 means the Genting staff processing at least 4 players a second. Even (a very generous) one every 10 seconds means it will take at least 40 minutes to get everyone in.
I"ve asked for exactly that but await Genting reply/confirmation.
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IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THE EVENT WE WILL BE ASKING FOR A "ROUND OF APPLAUSE" IN MEMORY OF VAINO TIIK, OUR "APAT CHAMPIONS" TEAM CAPTAIN WHO SADLY PASSED AWAY RECENTLY[/color]
Excellent, is this being circulated to all team captains, so all teams are there and sat down for it?
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The venue opening times, entry and dress code have been updated on the "Player Briefing" as follows:
VENUE OPENING TIMES
Noon to 06:00 - HOWEVER, ON SATURDAY THE CASINO WILL OPEN AT 11:00 TO ALLOW TIME FOR TEAMS TO ENTER AND HAVE A PHOTO TAKEN BEFORE THE START OF THE EVENT - PLEASE THEREFORE ARRIVE AT 11:00 OR ASAP THEREAFTER TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN AND TO ENSURE THE EVENT STARTS ON TIME AT 13:00
Tom, you"re a star
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When will they start taking buyins for the passport event?
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When will they start taking buyins for the passport event?
For those NOT still in the UK Team Championship - from 18:00 Saturday.
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Will there be a cash alternative for the Passport game?
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Any news on the seat draw?
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Any news on the seat draw?
Hope you have more luck getting an answer to that one than I did ;)
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As teams/players are buying in in advance then the table draw will be done the weekend before the event and posted to the forum asap thereafter (when received from the venue).
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Will there be a cash alternative for the Passport game?
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Will there be a cash alternative for the Passport game?
I would hope not.
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Why?
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Will there be a cash alternative for the Passport game?
I would hope not.
But some of us don"t need to spend £280 on hotel bills
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Some of us have already booked aswell
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Opps my error, I forgot that this included a travel costs element.
I thought this was seat purchases only, in which case it is my firm belief that the prize MUST be used or lost.
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I thought this was seat purchases only, in which case it is my firm belief that the prize MUST be used or lost.
100% agree with this, if you"re playing for a seat then you have to take the seat. TBH I"d take the whole lot in WCOAP buy ins.
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Any news on the seat draw?
Any news on the seat draw?
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Any news on the seat draw?
Any news on the seat draw?
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As teams/players are buying in in advance then the table draw will be done the weekend before the event and posted to the forum asap thereafter (when received from the venue).
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See above
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Just for arguments sake, say it does not attract the 100 runners and say I was willing to put 25 into the pot but not able to play the WCOAP and lets say that that extra 25 means a extra passport, wouldn"t rest of the players mind if that person played?
Just for arguments sake :)
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Just for arguments sake, say it does not attract the 100 runners and say I was willing to put 25 into the pot but not able to play the WCOAP and lets say that that extra 25 means a extra passport, wouldn"t rest of the plays mind if that person played?
Just for arguments sake :)
Not sure what you are asking...it"s basically 1 Passport per 20 runners.
The "WCOAP Passport MTT" will pay out a WCOAP "Passport" for every £500 in the prize fund (with cash payouts for lesser amounts) - the "Passport" includes entry to the Main Event the World Amateur Poker Championship (value £110), 2 WCOAP Side Events (value £55 each), 4 nights in a local hotel (Thu-Sun) (TBC) and an element of cash (TBC).
Are you proposing to buy some-one in to the satellite?
That would be very nice of you but what is it you are proposing?
In my view, the seats / hotels cost should be on a "use it or lose it" basis...but that"s an APAT decision.
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What I"m saying (for those who don"t understand me) is on the Sunday there is a £25+£5 for a £500 WCOAP passport but if you are not intending ongoing there"s no point in playing. However if you could have the £500 cash instead then this would boost runners plus would not exclude anybody.
Is the seat exchange still in operation?
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Just for arguments sake, say it does not attract the 100 runners and say I was willing to put 25 into the pot but not able to play the WCOAP and lets say that that extra 25 means a extra passport, wouldn"t rest of the plays mind if that person played?
Just for arguments sake :)
Not sure what you are asking...it"s basically 1 Passport per 20 runners.
The "WCOAP Passport MTT" will pay out a WCOAP "Passport" for every £500 in the prize fund (with cash payouts for lesser amounts) - the "Passport" includes entry to the Main Event the World Amateur Poker Championship (value £110), 2 WCOAP Side Events (value £55 each), 4 nights in a local hotel (Thu-Sun) (TBC) and an element of cash (TBC).
Are you proposing to buy some-one in to the satellite?
That would be very nice of you but what is it you are proposing?
In my view, the seats / hotels cost should be on a "use it or lose it" basis...but that"s an APAT decision.
I see what Wayne is saying. Basically if he bought in with the condition that if he won a package he could take the cash alternative instead as it would generate an extra package for everybody to play for which would be a good thing for the tournament.
Realistically whilst I agree with Paulie (it should be use it or lose it) I think this is likely to have to be allowed or players like myself and a lot of the other regs who have already booked and paid for everything just won"t play.
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What I"m saying (for those who don"t understand me) is on the Sunday there is a £25+£5 for a £500 WCOAP passport but if you are not intending ongoing there"s no point in playing. However if you could have the £500 cash instead then this would boost runners plus would not exclude anybody.
Is the seat exchange still in operation?
Don"t worry about it Wayne, you"ll be closing in on the FT of the Team Championships to be bothered about that!! ;)
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I see what Wayne is saying. Basically if he bought in with the condition that if he won a package he could take the cash alternative instead as it would generate an extra package for everybody to play for which would be a good thing for the tournament.
I don"t quite see how taking £500 out of the prizepool adds an extra passport package since they are funded from the prizepool.
Realistically whilst I agree with Paulie (it should be use it or lose it) I think this is likely to have to be allowed or players like myself and a lot of the other regs who have already booked and paid for everything just won"t play.
I agree the timing is awkward. I would fancy this but I won"t need a hotel since I"m only 40 minutes away AND I can"t play the ME as my chosen side events are the PLO and PLO8.
Ideally, I would like the cash in my skyrocket but my belief in the way the satellite/passport package system should work means I would be a hypocrite to enter.
Still, if APAT says I can take the monkey (http://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/slang/monkey-500-pounds) I may just have to grin and bear it and let my soul be darkened.
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I see what Wayne is saying. Basically if he bought in with the condition that if he won a package he could take the cash alternative instead as it would generate an extra package for everybody to play for which would be a good thing for the tournament.
I don"t quite see how taking £500 out of the prizepool adds an extra passport package since they are funded from the prizepool.
Realistically whilst I agree with Paulie (it should be use it or lose it) I think this is likely to have to be allowed or players like myself and a lot of the other regs who have already booked and paid for everything just won"t play.
I agree the timing is awkward. I would fancy this but I won"t need a hotel since I"m only 40 minutes away AND I can"t play the ME as my chosen side events are the PLO and PLO8.
Ideally, I would like the cash in my skyrocket but my belief in the way the satellite/passport package system should work means I would be a hypocrite to enter.
Still, if APAT says I can take the monkey (http://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/slang/monkey-500-pounds) I may just have to grin and bear it and let my soul be darkened.
Well there is no guarantee who would win so it probably would not be £500 out of the prize pool but I get your point.
I also understand the point about not loving have to play under those circumstances but the event will need support so I will probably play it.
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As teams/players are buying in in advance then the table draw will be done the weekend before the event and posted to the forum asap thereafter (when received from the venue).
Assuming this was done 3 or 4 days ago, maybe the casino are waiting for someone to ask for it ? There is a lot of excitement and anticipation amongst the players, just saying... ;)
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If When we get the draw, I"ll edit my spreadsheet so players can view by table and by team - as long as APAT are ok with this, that is.
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Any news on the seat draw?!? :D
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Any news on the seat draw?!? :D
+1
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Can i reserve a seat in cash champs on fri night....i should be there for 9?
If i am late, would my seat still be reserved?
Thanks
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That makes Sunday pretty dull for most. Presumably there"s a regular comp we can pile into mob handed? Could you find out?
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having spoken with the venue
Did they mention the seat draw?
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That makes Sunday pretty dull for most. Presumably there"s a regular comp we can pile into mob handed? Could you find out?
It"s gonna be that dull I doubt I"ll even remember it on Monday morning :)
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I"ll either be found playing whatever local tourney they have on...or hiding in some corner taking a nap to prep for the all night Super Bowl madness. Either way, there"s still a whole lot of win to Sunday. :D
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That makes Sunday pretty dull for most. Presumably there"s a regular comp we can pile into mob handed? Could you find out?
Don"t forget the G across the road too!
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I"ll either be found playing whatever local tourney they have on...or hiding in some corner taking a nap to prep for the all night Super Bowl madness. Either way, there"s still a whole lot of win to Sunday. :D
Get the impression from above they cannot source enough dealers for our side - which means no local game either I would guess. Certainly the Genting website doesn"t show a local game :(
The other place in Stoke, however, does have a local game. £10+£2 ROE (NLHE/PLO) with £5rb. Could be interesting...or we could set up our own game I would imagine.
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Genting Stoke shows nothing scheduled: http://www.gentingcasinos.co.uk/club/stoke/poker/
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Grosvenor has a £10 HE/PLO with £5 rebuys
https://www.grosvenorcasinos.com/local-casinos/stoke
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The usual Sunday night comp is a £20 ROE starting at 6.15.
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Grosvenor has a £10 HE/PLO with £5 rebuys
https://www.grosvenorcasinos.com/local-casinos/stoke
Self deal usually just a couple of tables. Friendly fun game though.
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Would much rather enquire about a self deal tourney at Genting on the night so we"re close to the action of the team final.
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The new card room Schedule starts this weekend which means this weeks Sunday comp is a satellite to the Stoke monthly £100er being played next Sunday.
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Would much rather enquire about a self deal tourney at Genting on the night so we"re close to the action of the team final.
sounds good to me.
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The final list of teams/players and the seating draw can be found via the Player Briefing threadHERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=15040.0)
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Would like to say a big thanks to Leigh who redrew the tables after the original draw wasn"t suitable. He"s also created a funky "in running" spreadsheet so we can keep on top of exits and current min/Max"s available.
Now the draw has been posted, who does everyone think is likely to win? Anyone who can get the top 3 right in any order will get my upmost respect!
I"ll start the ball rolling with:
Gambling Network Forums (can they win 3 times in a row? Surely not?!).
In The Muck (looks a very strong team)
The Hendon Mob
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Would like to say a big thanks to Leigh who redrew the tables after the original draw wasn"t suitable. He"s also created a funky "in running" spreadsheet so we can keep on top of exits and current min/Max"s available.
Now the draw has been posted, who does everyone think is likely to win? Anyone who can get the top 3 right in any order will get my upmost respect!
I"ll start the ball rolling with:
Gambling Network Forums (can they win 3 times in a row? Surely not?!).
In The Muck (looks a very strong team)
The Hendon Mob
Erm...I think someone might have to look at that (sorry Leigh!). I sorted by team and it has thrown something weird up...for those who want to see in team order the link is below. Most notably, I would look at 888, APAT Forum and Blackbelt...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9KbkVKsTaFTajZOV2pZbTczSG8/
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What weirdness has been throw up?
Edit: ah, those teams are sat on subsequent tables. That"s fine though isn"t it?
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What weirdness has been throw up?
Edit: ah, those teams are sat on subsequent tables. That"s fine though isn"t it?
Its the seats as well...kinda suggests that it is not very random.
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All those who have reserved a room at the Quality Hotel via myself have now had the "booked name" changed to their own - all rooms have been paid in full in advance by myself - so you"ve nothing to pay to the hotel - just to me :)
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What weirdness has been throw up?
Edit: ah, those teams are sat on subsequent tables. That"s fine though isn"t it?
Its the seats as well...kinda suggests that it is not very random.
Makes it look as though those teams are being kept apart for a reason
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What weirdness has been throw up?
Edit: ah, those teams are sat on subsequent tables. That"s fine though isn"t it?
Its the seats as well...kinda suggests that it is not very random.
Players are randomly drawn against teams using a very funky matrix thingy and slotted in to available spaces.
The table numbers in this model are really an abstract concept. You could call them potato, fish, chicken, and star instead. Or swap table number 11 with table number 5, 6 with 24, and 3 with 17.
The randomness isn"t determined by what table your sat at.
e.g. If nobody in APAT is drawn to play someone in 888, and we obviously don"t want more than one team member at each table, then we know both those teams have to be at different tables. You can therefore allocate APAT to tables 1-8, and 888 to tables 9-16. Or you could say APAT go on tables 2,3,6,9,13,22,23,24 and 888 go on tables 4,5,7,10,11,14,15,16 or whatever. As long as they aren"t on the same tables, it makes no difference really.
The randomness of the draw isn"t alterted by the table your sat at. That"s largely irrelevant. e.g. look at GNF. They are on tables 3,6,9,12,15,18,21,24 which are the first 8 multiples of 3. There will be lots of patterns if you analyse the data like this, but it doesn"t actually make a difference to the RandomFactor(TM) of the draw afaik.
You should also find that every player has been given (where possible) a different seat on a different table. So, e.g. you should find you have 1 member of your team in seat 1, another in seat 2, another in seat 3, etc. etc.
Quite hard to explain, may have to leave it to Leigh...
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To be honest, I never really understand why teams are kept apart at the start. As soon as we lose 10 players, we run the risk of having 2 team members at the same table so why do we have this restriction at the starting table draw?
As it happens, I would say that 888 especially have an advantage as all their players are on the first 8 tables. From experience in most casinos, it is more likely that table 25 will break first and table 1 will never break, with tables being broken in number order. This means their players will gain in that they will not have to move (bar being in the BB when the TD is balancing) for probably most of, if not all, Day 1 should they make it that far.
I don"t know about any other players/teams, but personally I think all 240 names should just be thrown in the mix with no restrictions on where they sit and if 2 of them happen to be at the same table at the start then that"s just bad luck for them.
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To be honest, I never really understand why teams are kept apart at the start. As soon as we lose 10 players, we run the risk of having 2 team members at the same table so why do we have this restriction at the starting table draw?
I guess because it would suck if 4 team members got drawn to sit on table #1? I personally like the idea of teams being kept apart at the start.
As it happens, I would say that 888 especially have an advantage as all their players are on the first 8 tables. From experience in most casinos, it is more likely that table 25 will break first and table 1 will never break, with tables being broken in number order. This means their players will gain in that they will not have to move (bar being in the BB when the TD is balancing) for probably most of, if not all, Day 1 should they make it that far.
Good point, and one I didn"t think of. I guess it also means their players will never be forced to sit on the same table as another of their players. Unless tables are broken randomly rather than in descending order?... That"s not a big deal to tell the TD to break randomly rather than in descending order though.
I think this can also be sorted by randomly assigning table numbers to the tables in the draw. So table 1 becomes table 18, table 2 table 7, etc...
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Adam has a very good point re 888, and yours is a good solution Matt. Make it happen.
As to keeping team members apart at the start - I think that has always been a great way of kicking off. If through randomness 4 players from the same team are on table 1 at the start, that would super suck for them and the rest of the table.
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Completely agree with Matt's solution, in fact quite gutted i didnt think of it myself!
ETA: TDs try not to break randomly because quite often, tables 1-16 (example) are their regular tables whereas 17-25 are temporary tables so they always break those first (normally out on the casino floor). Changing the table numbers works better IMO.
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Completely agree with Matt's solution, in fact quite gutted i didnt think of it myself!
ETA: TDs try not to break randomly because quite often, tables 1-16 (example) are their regular tables whereas 17-25 are temporary tables so they always break those first (normally out on the casino floor). Changing the table numbers works better IMO.
Yes, definitely changing table numbers works better, for reason you"ve just given. Also, they like to reduce the footprint of the tourney by keeping it all in one area, which only works if you break tables in order.
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Completely agree with Matt's solution, in fact quite gutted i didnt think of it myself!
ETA: TDs try not to break randomly because quite often, tables 1-16 (example) are their regular tables whereas 17-25 are temporary tables so they always break those first (normally out on the casino floor). Changing the table numbers works better IMO.
Yes, definitely changing table numbers works better, for reason you"ve just given. Also, they like to reduce the footprint of the tourney by keeping it all in one area, which only works if you break tables in order.
Yes, definitely looks like we"ve got an unfair advantage with the seat draw (though this may be our only advantage). If you could do something about moving Mr Don Roberts off my table, that"d be great too 8)
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Any live updates on the cash game?
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No. Matt and Tom are much too busy hosting at the bar.
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No. Matt and Tom are much too busy hosting at the bar.
Haha, I wish! :) It"s been absolutely non-stop here with trying to get the table draw sorted and printed. Finally finished now and posted up on the walls.
Stoke aren"t able to put a manual draw into their systems apparently, so instead we"ve printed out 5 lots of table draws and stuck them at various points around the room.
Simply search for your team name, then your own name and you"ll have your starting table and seat :)
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Simply search for your team name, then your own name and you"ll have your starting table and seat :)
It happens that Yorkshire are gonna find that all a bit too complicated like ;D
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I"ll either be found playing whatever local tourney they have on...or hiding in some corner taking a nap to prep for the all night Super Bowl madness. Either way, there"s still a whole lot of win to Sunday. :D
Get the impression from above they cannot source enough dealers for our side - which means no local game either I would guess. Certainly the Genting website doesn"t show a local game :(
The other place in Stoke, however, does have a local game. £10+£2 ROE (NLHE/PLO) with £5rb. Could be interesting...or we could set up our own game I would imagine.
Private LO8 cash ftw? (very small stakes obv)
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Simply search for your team name, then your own name and you"ll have your starting table and seat :)
It happens that Yorkshire are gonna find that all a bit too complicated like ;D
What we will do is wait till you all have sat down then take whatever seats are left, easy ;)
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Simply search for your team name, then your own name and you"ll have your starting table and seat :)
It happens that Yorkshire are gonna find that all a bit too complicated like ;D
What we will do is wait till you all have sat down then take whatever seats are left, easy ;)
By "eck... tha"s had a reet grand idea Wayne ;D ;D ;D
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Is this pick on Yorkshire day :-[
Lets see who as the last laugh ;D
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Come on lmc and lbpn....smash it up
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