Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Live Poker => Topic started by: IrishTom on May 16, 2014, 20:00:10 PM
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May 16th, London: The Amateur Poker Association & Tour (APAT) is delighted to announce details for Season 8 of its critically acclaimed tour for developing poker players.
Seasonal highlights include:-
Pot Limit Omaha first The two day Irish Amateur Poker Championship will be played in the Pot Limit Omaha format, a first for APAT. In another first, the two day festival will take place at a hotel - Bewleys Hotel, Dublin Airport -and feature a series of mixed side events and round the clock cash games.
WCOAP Expands The World Championship of Amateur Poker which grew to 16 events over 7 days in Season 7, will have its schedule extended to 10 days in Season 8. The festival will once again take place at Aspers Casino in Stratford, and a full schedule of mixed format events will follow in early September.
APAT Belgium APAT have announced the launch of a Belgian language website and an Amateur Championship event which will take place at the Casino de Namur in September. Belgium has also secured its position as one of the competing countries at the 2015 World Amateur Team Championship.
Added Value APAT Amateur Champions will each win an added main event seat at the WCOAP, where the main event winner will earn the trip of a lifetime to Las Vegas in the summer of 2015. They will be accompanied to Las Vegas by the Season 8 Player of the Year, crowned from the combined Live and Online Rankings. Coveted APAT National Gold, Silver and Bronze medals will continue to be awarded to Live and Online main event Champions as will Bracelets to all WCOAP Champions.
APAT have announced that Coral Poker will continue as a headline partner for Season 8. Players will be able to satellite, reserve or buy their seats online at Coral Poker, with the action starting at the Welsh Amateur Poker Championship on the weekend of July 5th and 6th.
APAT Season 8 Schedule:-
Jul 5th-6th - Welsh Amateur Poker Championship, Rainbow Casino, Bristol (formerly Gala Harbourside)
Sep 6th-7th - English Amateur Poker Championship, G Casino, Luton
Sep 19th-21st - Belgian Amateur Poker Championship, Casino de Namur, Namur
Oct 11th-12th - UK Amateur Poker Championship, Grosvenor Casino Westgate, Leeds
Nov 29th-30th - UK Team Championship, Grosvenor G Casino, Bury New Road, Manchester
Jan 10th-11th Irish Amateur Poker Championship, Bewleys Hotel, Dublin
Feb 7th-8th - European Amateur Poker Championship, G Casino, Coventry
Feb 28th-Mar 1st - Scottish Amateur Poker Championship, Genting Casino Fountain Park, Edinburgh
Mar 28th-Apr 6th - WCOAP Aspers Stratford, London
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It"s a cracker...glad to see Dublin in the mix and 10 days in Stratford for the WCOAP is immense.
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Should be able to make a few of them..... ;D
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LOving the ten day WCOAP...hoping loads of non NLHE events to keep me busy there next Easter :)
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Nice work Tom
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Never been happier for Bristol to be in Wales ;D
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Never been happier for Bristol to be in Wales ;D
Snap! :) :) :)
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Very exciting, can"t wait
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Never been happier for Bristol to be in Wales ;D
Saved me the £5 bridge toll....I"m happy. :)
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Leeds!!! Nice 1 ;D
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great work tom and apat
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Never been happier for Bristol to be in Wales ;D
Snap! :) :) :)
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!
Nice line up, good work guys.
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APAT has always pushed the boundaries in terms of format and venues. It is no surprise that they have taken the bold step of playing a event in Yorkshire.
In all seriousness, a great schedule and one that fits in well with the current poker market.
WP APAT!!
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Barring unforeseen circumstances, I can see me playing a lot of these.
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Wd guys excellent work..
WCOAP 10 days!! Wowsers @16 events.. Obv it"s months away, but if you know the events is there any spoilers what the events will be and roughly the spread? Gonna take a lot of planning (saving) so the sooner the better :D
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Pot Limit Omaha first The two day Irish Amateur Poker Championship will be played in the Pot Limit Omaha format, a first for APAT. In another first, the two day festival will take place at a hotel - Bewleys Hotel, Dublin Airport -and feature a series of mixed side events and round the clock cash games.
Any chance you can share the logic for this mutation Tom?
First instinct, bit of a slap in the face for us few loyal Irish Apat"rs.
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Pot Limit Omaha first The two day Irish Amateur Poker Championship will be played in the Pot Limit Omaha format, a first for APAT. In another first, the two day festival will take place at a hotel - Bewleys Hotel, Dublin Airport -and feature a series of mixed side events and round the clock cash games.
Any chance you can share the logic for this mutation Tom?
First instinct, bit of a slap in the face for us few loyal Irish Apat"rs.
I agree. It means I probably won"t be going to Dublin (or if I do go I won"t be playing) and I actually think this will be the case for a lot of people. Also this event will be the only event some people living in Dublin and Ireland go too and changing it seems strange. It is also an event that does not get the biggest attendance already and therefore less of the people who wanted a PLO event will get to play it and some of the locals who would otherwise play it will not bother. If an event has to be a PLO event this seems to be the wrong one?
Could you alter it? Maybe opinions from our Irish players would be of more value?
I really like the schedule and will be playing most (ideally all) of these events. Seems to be a good spread around the country and good timings as well. All of the venues are good and most people should be able to get to most of them which is all you can ask for. This is pretty much what the tour should look like in my opinion.
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Just to add to the last couple of posts, I would most definitely like to play a 2 day plo comp as part of the schedule, but having it for the Dublin leg means I, and others I suspect, will be priced out of being able to attend.
I do think it"s a great idea in principle, just seems it would have maybe been better incorporated into one of the British legs (although appreciate there may be logistical reasons why that couldn"t happen).
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Haven"t played in one of these for years. Got to be done this year - looks a great line up.
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Any Sunday games? are we going to mix it up, 6-max, shoot out, Stud?
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Pot Limit Omaha first The two day Irish Amateur Poker Championship will be played in the Pot Limit Omaha format, a first for APAT. In another first, the two day festival will take place at a hotel - Bewleys Hotel, Dublin Airport -and feature a series of mixed side events and round the clock cash games.
Any chance you can share the logic for this mutation Tom?
First instinct, bit of a slap in the face for us few loyal Irish Apat"rs.
I agree. It means I probably won"t be going to Dublin (or if I do go I won"t be playing) and I actually think this will be the case for a lot of people. Also this event will be the only event some people living in Dublin and Ireland go too and changing it seems strange. It is also an event that does not get the biggest attendance already and therefore less of the people who wanted a PLO event will get to play it and some of the locals who would otherwise play it will not bother. If an event has to be a PLO event this seems to be the wrong one?
Could you alter it? Maybe opinions from our Irish players would be of more value?
I really like the schedule and will be playing most (ideally all) of these events. Seems to be a good spread around the country and good timings as well. All of the venues are good and most people should be able to get to most of them which is all you can ask for. This is pretty much what the tour should look like in my opinion.
I love the concept of playing out a championship event in something other than NLHE for a change - and PLO is the format that most people know behind NLHE.... I see this as a great opportunity. I"m gutted however that it"s in Dublin as I won"t be there :(
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I understand some of the "pushback" regarding the Irish event and while I"m sure Tom can, and will, speak for himself I have some comments of my own...as you might expect.
I do not speak for APAT (although I am an enthusiastic supporter) but I do have a tiny insight into some of the behind the scenes...kind of like peeking through the keyhole...as such, what I think I know might be distorted by that limited view.
With all that said...Ireland was a late addition to the schedule and, indeed, it was quite likely for a number of reasons there would, in fact, NOT have been a visit this season and so I was quite surprised (and delighted) when it made it"s appearance.
However, the choice, I believe was between this or nothing.
As has been said, the Irish events have, historically, been poorly supported by UK members and, indeed, last year"s event at the Fitz had one of the lowest turnouts ever.
This does not include loyal local players and I can understand their disappointment but by the same token, from my own observations PLO is HUGE in Ireland, certainly, it"s more popular there than in England, so the logic of a PLO event there makes more sense, to me, than trying the same, for instance, in Coventry especially if one were, for instance, trying to spread the word about APAT in Ireland.
On the cost front I see this again and again, and I do not believe it really stacks up. Newcastle/Manchester/Leeds and Scotland are in the same ballpark (for me) as Ireland. Now, of course, you have to commit to an Ireland event and plan for at least two nights and so that might be skew some thinking.
Then again, the craic is worth the extra... :)
My 2 cents.
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Any Sunday games? are we going to mix it up, 6-max, shoot out, Stud?
I believe that each event will, as has been traditional, have a side event.
What that will be, for each venue, will depend on dealer availability and competencies.
I"d like to see different poker variants on Sunday but as I"m sure we all know, the ability of casinos to actually provide them varies from venue to venue.
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Great post Paulie
Personally I very much like the schedule and can"t wait to get back to apat as it has been too long. Obviously try to give useful feedback however reading your post I can understand the reason for this. I will hopefully go to Dublin anyway.
Look forward to catching up again.
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what to visit to Europe this year. welsh championships in england and the irish is plo. have to check shifts and will attend when off work but deffo not playing plo in ireland. thing this is a huge mistake. lucky if it gets 40 runners. would have gone subject to work had it been holdem. wcoap in london again. well guess they earned it ginven how hard their staff worked whist we were there. deffo dont agree with a national championship been played in outside the nation whos championship it is meant to be.
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I have to say that I"m very happy with most of the chosen venues, especially Manchester :) but what happened to DTD ? Did they not want us this time or was it an APAT decision not to go there ?
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ABSOLUTLEY BUZZING FOR SESON 8,I LIVE ON SOUTH COAST SO WIL ONLY BE ABLE TO DO WELSH, ENGLISH AND WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS WHICH IM SO GLAD IS AT ASPERS AND I PROMISED MY MISSUS I WOULD TAKE HER AWAY FOR BDAY WHICH IS 29TH MARCH SO LONDON IT IS .....
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what to visit to Europe this year. welsh championships in england and the irish is plo. have to check shifts and will attend when off work but deffo not playing plo in ireland. thing this is a huge mistake. lucky if it gets 40 runners. would have gone subject to work had it been holdem. wcoap in london again. well guess they earned it ginven how hard their staff worked whist we were there. deffo dont agree with a national championship been played in outside the nation whos championship it is meant to be.
Europe?
Do you mean that there is no event on the Continent this season?
If so, the feedback APAT received was that, in general, the UK player base weren"t enthusiastic about that and that it was a "jolly" for the die-hards only. APAT has obviously taken that on board which is not to say that APAT doesn"t still intend to be in Europe.
You never know...
Wales
I"m sure that APAT were acutely aware that the decision to hold the Welsh championsihip in Bristol might raise a few eyebrows but, as has been said before, the current venues in Wales just aren"t able (or willing) to meet APAT's needs.
The venues available are just too small and/or can"t service APAT properly over the two days to a standard that would be acceptable.
The Welsh aren"t complaining...:)
Ireland
I think you are wrong but time will tell. I"m confident that APAT made a pretty informed decision about the whole thing. If they really thought no-one would turn out for it...they wouldn"t put it on.
Stratford
Completely agree....Aspers earned it and with, I hope, the schedule being available 6 months in advance it will give us a chance to see what agreements (if any) we can come to with local establishments in terms of keeping the cost down.
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what happened to DTD ? Did they not want us this time or was it an APAT decision not to go there ?
Frankly, I don"t know the full answer to that.
I have heard that APAT is an expensive proposition for DTD to put on which may have been a driver towards a certain reluctance on their part when they could put on their own events at a higher buy-in value over a major holiday period.
You can"t blame them for that.
Also, Aspers did such a bang up job last time they do seem to have pulled out all the stops for Season 8
A 10 day festival! That"s unprecedented in the UK, I think....
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is it safe to assume the home nations and euro team games will be played on thurs and fri prior to main events or have they been dropped.
gone through my shift pattern up to end of jan.
welsh off and playing
eng working not playing
uk off thurs working fri sat and sund. not playing main event. will swap a shift if team game on and picked for scot.
uk team game off but unlikely to play
ire off but not playing.
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euro off and playing
scot working not playing
wcoap need schedule before i commit but will be there for something i think.
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is it safe to assume the home nations and euro team games will be played on thurs and fri prior to main events or have they been dropped.
My assumption is that if they are not listed as separate items they have been dropped.
Without further confirmation from Tom, I would be assuming that the only team events would be the Forum Event and the Worlds.
At least that"s my reading of it from the feedback APAT received about S7.
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Thanks for the feedback as always guys. It"s your tour, so we count on it. I"ll go through the thread and add my feedback where requested.
Finally, thanks to Tom who put a lot of effort into tying the season up pretty quickly after Stratford.
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LOving the ten day WCOAP...hoping loads of non NLHE events to keep me busy there next Easter :)
We"ll definitely have a large non NLHE schedule on offer here Simon. We"ll take the next couple months to tie up all of the details before putting it on sale in September.
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Thanks for the feedback as always guys. It"s your tour, so we count on it. I"ll go through the thread and add my feedback where requested.
Finally, thanks to Tom who put a lot of effort into tying the season up pretty quickly after Stratford.
+1 for Tom.
I bet he"s wrung out right now...the finishing touches weren"t put in place until the very last minute before the deadline. I was half convinced there were going to be some "TBC"s in there. :)
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Wd guys excellent work..
WCOAP 10 days!! Wowsers @16 events.. Obv it"s months away, but if you know the events is there any spoilers what the events will be and roughly the spread? Gonna take a lot of planning (saving) so the sooner the better :D
16 events was the S7 schedule...fairly confident we will top that with 4 additional days added! :)
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Pot Limit Omaha first The two day Irish Amateur Poker Championship will be played in the Pot Limit Omaha format, a first for APAT. In another first, the two day festival will take place at a hotel - Bewleys Hotel, Dublin Airport -and feature a series of mixed side events and round the clock cash games.
Any chance you can share the logic for this mutation Tom?
First instinct, bit of a slap in the face for us few loyal Irish Apat"rs.
Definitely not intended as a slap in the face to Irish members Brendan and my apologies if you"ve taken it that way. That"s the last thing we"d want to do.
Truth is, we"ve failed to deliver a significant event in Ireland over the past two to three years and I had actually told the guys to pull the leg this year, for the reason that I felt it important to simplify the overall schedule and commit to delivering the events we were focusing on, to a higher quality.
I"ve always wanted to do a big Irish event and felt that S9 would be the time to do it, when we hadn"t so many other projects to work on like merging our websites etc, as we do this year.
When Tom came back with an Irish event with a difference - PLO, in a hotel setting by the airport, and with the support of an Irish promoter, then I was happy to see it included. To make the event stand out on the Irish calendar it needed a point of difference - hence the decision to go with PLO.
Time will tell whether that was a bad decision or not, but I"m sure we had to do something bold to give us a chance of gaining some traction in Ireland after a pretty lean time of late.
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Just to add to the last couple of posts, I would most definitely like to play a 2 day plo comp as part of the schedule, but having it for the Dublin leg means I, and others I suspect, will be priced out of being able to attend.
I do think it"s a great idea in principle, just seems it would have maybe been better incorporated into one of the British legs (although appreciate there may be logistical reasons why that couldn"t happen).
The PLO leg could definitely have been held at one of our other destinations, we just felt that a fundamental change had to be made to the Irish leg to give it a chance. No guarantees we haven"t got this wrong, but I do think it"s something we have to try - and of course whatever we do in S9 will be based on player feedback and our learnings in S8.
On the cost side of things...in my experience I"ve often found it cheaper to travel to the Irish leg than others in the North East and Scotland for example. Hopefully six months gives a good period of time for anyone interested to plan their trip.
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Any Sunday games? are we going to mix it up, 6-max, shoot out, Stud?
That detail will follow Wayne, but I know Tom is planning weekends with lots of options where possible.
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About the Irish leg....
You don"t get anywhere unless you have an attempt....
A two day PLO event is certainly trying something different....
Well done for being ambitious and let"s hope it is a success....
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what to visit to Europe this year. welsh championships in england and the irish is plo. have to check shifts and will attend when off work but deffo not playing plo in ireland. thing this is a huge mistake. lucky if it gets 40 runners. would have gone subject to work had it been holdem. wcoap in london again. well guess they earned it ginven how hard their staff worked whist we were there. deffo dont agree with a national championship been played in outside the nation whos championship it is meant to be.
We are pretty confident we will be announcing a European leg (and a European website) in the next few weeks. We"ve kept it separate to this announcement.
Dublin I"ve talked about in the last couple of posts.
Holding the Welsh in Bristol was far from being an easy decision. This has been proposed to me several times in the past and I"ve always rejected it for the same reason you say, James. However, when Tom put it on the table again, even for me it was a no brainer this year. There isn"t a venue in Wales that can give APAT what it needs. That feedback has come universally from our members, including our Welsh members, and it"s what we"ve found in seven years of going there.
I had an email first thing this morning from the Gaming Manager at the G Casino in Cardiff and they are disappointed that we"re going to Bristol. They put on a great event for us last year and were very supportive. But there wasn"t sufficient space to meet our needs. In that circumstance, practicality has to take over.
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I have to say that I"m very happy with most of the chosen venues, especially Manchester :) but what happened to DTD ? Did they not want us this time or was it an APAT decision not to go there ?
DTD have been great partners and supporters of APAT over many years and they are a venue that we would always want on our annual schedule. We discussed a potential event with them for S8 but they weren"t able to accomodate you guys on this occasion.
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is it safe to assume the home nations and euro team games will be played on thurs and fri prior to main events or have they been dropped.
gone through my shift pattern up to end of jan.
welsh off and playing
eng working not playing
uk off thurs working fri sat and sund. not playing main event. will swap a shift if team game on and picked for scot.
uk team game off but unlikely to play
ire off but not playing.
On the international team front, we"re going to focus on the World Amateur Team Championship this year. We"ve removed the Home Internationals and the European Amateur Team Championship from the schedule.
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Very nice to have the WCOAP back in London! Was a great venue and for us (the Belgians) it"s easy to get to.
So we"ll definitely be back. And only having the team event there, makes it more prestigious I think.
Hoping to go to at least 1 other venue as well...
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With regards to Dublin the costs available now are:-
Flight from Heathrow to Dublin with British Airways out Friday Jan 9th back Monday Jan 12th = £90 (less £30 if you have 4500 avios pts)
Bewleys Hotel Dublin Airport (tournament venue) £52.00 per night for a double or twin room (incl wifi but ex brekkie).
So for me £216.00, which is almost what I paid for the hotel alone last year.
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Sorry des but i think you have got it wrong on a number of fronts. Starting with englang hosting the welsh championships. How can it be the welsh champs if played in england. Interesting to see what our welsh members have to say about this. plo in ireland. This is not going to increase numbers. I am guessing it will reduce entries. Its not the game. The fact is ireland can be cheap to get to but tbere after the cost get silly. Ireland is a dear place for everything. Not to have an irish game would be so damaging to apat credability as the leading amatuet pkker tour. Agai intested in views of people going to thus as to what they would preffer holdem or pli. Also from members who would have gone to ireland to llay but are not going now because it is plo. I am in this group. Off work but not going to play plo main event. Some come on peeps lets have some views.
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I have never been to Ireland for an APAT event, but I most certainly will be making the effort this year!!
I think that having a PLO 2 day event is absolutely brilliant, it is certainly the first time I have had the chance to do that, and I"m pretty sure that a number of APAT "regulars" are going to be very very excited by the chance to give this a crack.
Overall a great announcement, good to see Leeds on there, finally an APAT that us North East contingent wont have to travel 3 hours to make!!
Hoping to make all events other than the welsh one (due to family commitments, nothing against the Welsh!!) soo see you all alot more this year hopefully.
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Starting with englang hosting the welsh championships. How can it be the welsh champs if played in england. Interesting to see what our welsh members have to say about this.
Does it matter, thats just semantics surely? I know that a few Welsh APAT players were actively lobbying for there NOT to be one in Wales as there is not the capacity in any of the venues at the minute? Surely APAT should not be compromising the quality of their product for the sake of a few miles??
plo in ireland. This is not going to increase numbers. I am guessing it will reduce entries. Its not the game. The fact is ireland can be cheap to get to but tbere after the cost get silly. Ireland is a dear place for everything. Not to have an irish game would be so damaging to apat credability as the leading amatuet pkker tour. Agai intested in views of people going to thus as to what they would preffer holdem or pli. Also from members who would have gone to ireland to llay but are not going now because it is plo. I am in this group. Off work but not going to play plo main event. Some come on peeps lets have some views.
I have never bothered going to Ireland for an APAT main event, but I will damned sure be going over to play this event this year!! So for those who say they wont go, there may well be another person who will be the other way round.
There is a growing number of APAT members who play PLO, infact PREFER PLO to NLHE, and I am certainly one of them. I am sure that Tom has done his research into this, and having a "local promoter" on board means that the event will probably be well supported.
From Des" response it looks like APAT are going to be giving Ireland a serious push in season 9, so surely this is a great time to try a new concept out?
I would LOVE more APATers to give PLO a go, it is so much more fun the NLHE, and can actually help peoples holdem game quite a bit IMO when its learned properly.
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The dropping of the home nation and euro team games is also a mistake in my book. These team games are great fun and help make apat what it is or was. Have to say i dont like the way things are going. Seems apat is heading towards the rich boys who can aford to play all the events are those that have a chance of being best player whilst those of us who have choose when we play are being left behind. Making o the irish champ game and the dropping of teams has made me rethink my schedule for this season and i am giving serious consideration to dropping all apat events this year.
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The dropping of the home nation and euro team games is also a mistake in my book. These team games are great fun and help make apat what it is or was. Have to say i dont like the way things are going. Seems apat is heading towards the rich boys who can aford to play all the events are those that have a chance of being best player whilst those of us who have choose when we play are being left behind. Making o the irish champ game and the dropping of teams has made me rethink my schedule for this season and i am giving serious consideration to dropping all apat events this year.
Actually the opposite is very much the truth I believe James. This years schedule is a lot less exclusive than last year"s with more choice for a wider number of players. The majority of change that we bring every year is determined by what members have asked for in the previous months, mixed with concepts that we feel need testing. As I said elsewhere there is no guarantee that any season will be better for the changes, but we wouldn"t have created APAT or exist 8 years later if we weren"t willing to change. The fact with the international team events was that the number of players able to travel to support their country in just those events was declining, no matter how prestigious or how much fun they were. Obviously talking to every captain make me privy to the challenges they have in selecting their teams.
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sorry mate hope the season works out for you but apat is not offering me what i am looking for this year so i will be missing this season.
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sorry mate hope the season works out for you but apat is not offering me what i am looking for this year so i will be missing this season.
Would be ashame not to see you next year in London...
I obviously don"t know APAT that well since I only attended the Euros and Worlds last season. But if I look at the schedule as an "outsider", I also think that there is some sense in what APAT is trying to do.
PLO is really the upcoming game and more and more people play the game; the same for me: I love it and I like it more than NLH. Since I"m in Belgium it"s impossible to attend all events, but I do want to go to one besides the Worlds. And Dublin would be my top choice just because of PLO. A deep PLO event is very much something that you will see more and more... And I think it"s an excellent choice! Also I read that the Ireland events always have low attendance, so why not give this a try.
I also loved to play the Team Championships the past season. The fun in both those tournaments is the best fun I ever had when playing poker. I met a lot of great people and the atmosphere is just amazing.
But on the other side, as much as I loved the team events, you have to admit a lot of teams have problems of finding players and travelling. Part of that, for the Euros at least, is because there are not a lot of other tournaments that people can play in. For the Worlds it is different: you have (next season) 10 days of poker! I think a lot of people (outside UK etc) would be interested to come over to London for the Team Championship, because they have a whole load of extra tournaments to play.
I would have liked a team event in the Euros, but it"s probably a correct decision.
Oh, and having the Welsh championship out of Wales: if in Wales there is not a cardroom that is able to have the capacity, why not? The big German championships are also always in the Czech Republic (for other reasons of course, but still). If I was Welsh I think I would be pretty happy of playing in my national championship, even if it means travelling outside of Wales (if it would"t be far our of course)
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The euro and HN team events were pointless, they diluted the field from the other events being played and often features the same players each time. Prob around 70%. Some countries only had 4 interested, some just had captains picking the same faces.
APAT are 100% right to drop this and give those players a chance to play more sides instead of being stuck in those SNGs.
Ireland and PLO? Good to see them trying something, how well supported it is? We will have to wait and see.
Bristol hosting the Welsh? Happy with that, stones throw difference. Good casino, and the Welsh casinos were nothing more than poor.
Mix max and OFC at the worlds please
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The euro and HN team events were pointless, they diluted the field from the other events being played and often features the same players each time. Prob around 70%. Some countries only had 4 interested, some just had captains picking the same faces.
APAT are 100% right to drop this and give those players a chance to play more sides instead of being stuck in those SNGs.
Ireland and PLO? Good to see them trying something, how well supported it is? We will have to wait and see.
Bristol hosting the Welsh? Happy with that, stones throw difference. Good casino, and the Welsh casinos were nothing more than poor.
Mix max and OFC at the worlds please
Can"t argue with the Joker.
Need to market the hell out of Ireland though, have my doubts about how many will turn up for that given the Vic only pull in 3-4 tables for an Omaha festival. (and lammers FTW). GL with that.
Les Croupiers in Cardiff was brilliant, but they don"t want us back :(
Won"t see much of anyone this season, given Des and Tom have rather inconsiderately scheduled the closest APAT to me whilst I"m going to be at DisneyWorld and watching NASCAR. I mean, come on guys! See you at the epic sounding WCOAP :)
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My tuppence:
Welsh championships in Bristol: No issues with this if there"s not a casino suitable for an APAT event in Wales. The UKIPT tour had to move one of their legs from Swansea to Bristol.
No European stop: Not too fussed about it, had a stop in Prague last season that was well supported, maybe one European venue every 2nd season would be a good compromise.
Scottish Open in Genting FP: Very good choice. Actually further for me to travel as a Glaswegian, but it"s a very well run card room in a casino that has a clear focus on poker, which is something the Alea can"t offer.
Team Events: Personally I enjoy playing in them however a lot of times I"ve found that they clash with other side events that I"d be interested in playing. Having only one International team event on the schedule is a bold move, think we should let the schedule play out as is then re-assess for next season based on member feedback.
Overall I like the S8 schedule, there"s a few new venues on the tour for me and I"ll try to be attending as many as I can.
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Schedule looks great and kudos to APAT as always for continually changing and adapting to their members needs. The wcoap next year looks huge and great news that it"s back in London after all the hard work Aspers made to accommodate us this time around.
From a slightly biased point of view (as I"m at least partly based in Cardiff) disappointed to see the welsh championships being held in Bristol. The rainbow casino is without doubt equipped to hold the event but to say that there isn"t a casino in South Wales that can isn"t true. As Dave says above, les croupier certainly has the space but sounds unwilling, G casino is willing but lacks space. However, they are holding a GUKPT shortly so they must have a contingency in place for the extra bums on seats... Would be interested to hear whether the question has been asked whether the same could be used for APAT.
Having said that though, I"m sure the rainbow casino is stiil enough of an attractive proposition for the South Wales players to make the short journey across the bridge.
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Hoping to make it to a good few of these. Haven"t been to an APAT for ages, hope to change that soon.
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finally an APAT that us North East contingent wont have to travel 3 hours to make!!
In the South, we dream of only having to travel for three hours to APAT events. You"re so lucky.
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Schedule looks great and kudos to APAT as always for continually changing and adapting to their members needs. The wcoap next year looks huge and great news that it"s back in London after all the hard work Aspers made to accommodate us this time around.
From a slightly biased point of view (as I"m at least partly based in Cardiff) disappointed to see the welsh championships being held in Bristol. The rainbow casino is without doubt equipped to hold the event but to say that there isn"t a casino in South Wales that can isn"t true. As Dave says above, les croupier certainly has the space but sounds unwilling, G casino is willing but lacks space. However, they are holding a GUKPT shortly so they must have a contingency in place for the extra bums on seats... Would be interested to hear whether the question has been asked whether the same could be used for APAT.
Having said that though, I"m sure the rainbow casino is stiil enough of an attractive proposition for the South Wales players to make the short journey across the bridge.
I would expect that the GUKPT will have multiple starting days, but also they have their own dealer/TD crew which APAT don"t have. Having played Cardiff last year, can honestly say that short of putting tables in the bar, it wouldn"t work for APAT. Bristol a definite bonus.
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finally an APAT that us North East contingent wont have to travel 3 hours to make!!
In the South, we dream of only having to travel for three hours to APAT events. You"re so lucky.
If you weren"t all still using horse and cart to get around there wouldn"t be an issue
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"Having played Cardiff last year, can honestly say that short of putting tables in the bar, it wouldn"t work for APAT. Bristol a definite bonus."
Now surely that is the best idea yet..... Save on all that walking..
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Starting with englang hosting the welsh championships. How can it be the welsh champs if played in england. Interesting to see what our welsh members have to say about this.
Does it matter, thats just semantics surely? I know that a few Welsh APAT players were actively lobbying for there NOT to be one in Wales as there is not the capacity in any of the venues at the minute? Surely APAT should not be compromising the quality of their product for the sake of a few miles??
As a Welsh player based in Wales I will play this event in Bristol. I would not have played it in Cardiff unless it was held at Les Croupiers (and there is zero chance of that at the moment). The G Casino in Cardiff is too small and even if it wasn"t it is just simply bad. Quite simply would not have enjoyed the event. Putting the event in Wales would have ignored all the feedback from the players including most of us in Wales (i.e. the ones who probably know the casino the best).
On a similar note, I just don"t get why people want events in their home towns anyway, I would prefer they were all away days. Long weekends away for much more fun than playing an event on your own doorstep in a Casino you can play in anytime and going to pubs that you go to every week anyway. Just an observation not saying it is wrong obv.
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looking forward to Season 8. I hope to make 6 of them.(Girlfriend says less than 6)
Having read through the thread my thoughts are:
You can`t please all the people all the time so just do what you think is best.
Great that you are trying something new with 2 day PLO
Just attend the venues that suit you, no need to go to all events.
G in Cardiff was not acceptable (size and dealers) but why not just call the Championships after something other than Nations then there would not be complaints about the Welsh Champs being in Bristol as it would all be about suitable venues.
And don`t get me started about travel times and costs.....
Looking forward to seeing you in Luton as unfortunately will miss the "Welsh" Champs due to a Vegas visit
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I"m gutted that you"ve changed the Irish championship to PLO, I always looked forward to playing my home town game but this time I won"t be attending, this will be the first I"ve missed, I hope apat succeed but can"t help but feel very disappointed.
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Truth is, we"ve failed to deliver a significant event in Ireland over the past two to three years and I had actually told the guys to pull the leg this year, for the reason that I felt it important to simplify the overall schedule and commit to delivering the events we were focusing on, to a higher quality.
Imho the failings here of late were largely down to poor advertising within the Irish poker community, a presence on Irish poker boards with advanced notification of the event would have a huge impact on numbers.
I"ve always wanted to do a big Irish event and felt that S9 would be the time to do it, when we hadn"t so many other projects to work on like merging our websites etc, as we do this year.
When Tom came back with an Irish event with a difference - PLO, in a hotel setting by the airport, and with the support of an Irish promoter, then I was happy to see it included. To make the event stand out on the Irish calendar it needed a point of difference - hence the decision to go with PLO.
I have touted the Independent operator hotel based event to you previously, it"s a tried and trusted format in the Irish poker market and always seemed to me to be ideal for the travelling Apat contingent, so bravo for that excellent change.
Maybe I am being a little selfish here but holdem is my game and to have my single home Apat event changed to PLO is devastating tbh. An Irish Apat leg without a holdem main event offers no appeal whatsoever to me personally.
I understand there may be a market for a two day well structured PLO event but would it make more sense to fit that in over the big Stratford WCOAP schedule where its impact on the two card player is less invasive.
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I hear u both.
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Looks a very good and appealing line up
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Pretty happy with the schedule, even though I know that I can"t play some of them ( Manchester for example is on a bad weekend for me which is highly annoying). Looking forward to locking horns with you all across the tables.
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No DTD game in August this year? Its a joke!
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No DTD game in August this year? Its a joke!
Why?
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No DTD game in August this year? Its a joke!
Why?
I think he"s saying that he is joking. He knows full well that DTD will have games in August this year.
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ok it seem the welsh are happy to play their championship in england and as it is their opinion that matters most here then i stand corrected on that point.
it also seems that the irish are not happy with plo and two of then have stated they will not play this event. can i suggest apat put a thread up asking who is not attending because it is not holdem. i believe this figure will be high and thus attendance will be down. if i am right would it not be possible to change main event to nlh and play a plo side event.
i still stand by my comments re team games.
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ok it seem the welsh are happy to play their championship in england and as it is their opinion that matters most here then i stand corrected on that point.
it also seems that the irish are not happy with plo and two of then have stated they will not play this event. can i suggest apat put a thread up asking who is not attending because it is not holdem. i believe this figure will be high and thus attendance will be down. if i am right would it not be possible to change main event to nlh and play a plo side event.
i still stand by my comments re team games.
hope you would also advocate an equivalent thread to discover how many people would attend because it is PLO
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ok it seem the welsh are happy to play their championship in england and as it is their opinion that matters most here then i stand corrected on that point.
it also seems that the irish are not happy with plo and two of then have stated they will not play this event. can i suggest apat put a thread up asking who is not attending because it is not holdem. i believe this figure will be high and thus attendance will be down. if i am right would it not be possible to change main event to nlh and play a plo side event.
i still stand by my comments re team games.
hope you would also advocate an equivalent thread to discover how many people would attend because it is PLO
+1
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Out of interest, there has been little to no comment on Des saying that if it wasnt for the Omaha then there would be no Irish leg at all?
Surely its better to try a PLO leg than have nothing?
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Out of interest, there has been little to no comment on Des saying that if it wasnt for the Omaha then there would be no Irish leg at all?
Surely its better to try a PLO leg than have nothing?
It does say there will be around the clock cash games as well. This obviously depends on numbers but some people (including myself) may go for this reason.
It is better to have a PLO leg than nothing reading the posts that appears to be what Des is saying? I do have to say I would consider it very unlikely that the number of people who go due to it being PLO will be anywhere near the number of people who won"t attend because it is not NLHE (as in coming over from UK). Paulie posted that PLO is pretty big in Ireland though so if that is the case then you are likely to get a large number of locals playing perhaps?
I will be honest and say I personally have my doubts but happy to be proved wrong here.
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Out of interest, there has been little to no comment on Des saying that if it wasnt for the Omaha then there would be no Irish leg at all?
Surely its better to try a PLO leg than have nothing?
It does say there will be around the clock cash games as well. This obviously depends on numbers but some people (including myself) may go for this reason.
It is better to have a PLO leg than nothing reading the posts that appears to be what Des is saying? I do have to say I would consider it very unlikely that the number of people who go due to it being PLO will be anywhere near the number of people who won"t attend because it is not NLHE (as in coming over from UK). Paulie posted that PLO is pretty big in Ireland though so if that is the case then you are likely to get a large number of locals playing perhaps?
I will be honest and say I personally have my doubts but happy to be proved wrong here.
I might be missing the point here, but surely the APAT Irish leg is about provision of APAT style poker for those in the vicinity, ie the Irish that live in Ireland. There will of course be a contingent that will travel from the UK, but we shouldn"t be creating something to satisfy the UK travellers rather than the local players. If the primary goal was to satisfy the UK players, we wouldn"t be playing it in Dublin.
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Out of interest, there has been little to no comment on Des saying that if it wasnt for the Omaha then there would be no Irish leg at all?
Surely its better to try a PLO leg than have nothing?
It does say there will be around the clock cash games as well. This obviously depends on numbers but some people (including myself) may go for this reason.
It is better to have a PLO leg than nothing reading the posts that appears to be what Des is saying? I do have to say I would consider it very unlikely that the number of people who go due to it being PLO will be anywhere near the number of people who won"t attend because it is not NLHE (as in coming over from UK). Paulie posted that PLO is pretty big in Ireland though so if that is the case then you are likely to get a large number of locals playing perhaps?
I will be honest and say I personally have my doubts but happy to be proved wrong here.
I might be missing the point here, but surely the APAT Irish leg is about provision of APAT style poker for those in the vicinity, ie the Irish that live in Ireland. There will of course be a contingent that will travel from the UK, but we shouldn"t be creating something to satisfy the UK travellers rather than the local players. If the primary goal was to satisfy the UK players, we wouldn"t be playing it in Dublin.
Surely numbers in recent times have shown the market isnt there in that case?
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Paulie posted that PLO is pretty big in Ireland though so if that is the case then you are likely to get a large number of locals playing perhaps?
I would point out that this is a personal observation only...not an established fact.
Surely numbers in recent times have shown the market isnt there in that case?
Stu,
One could certainly make that argument but others have commented on the fact that there was little or no marketing in Ireland of the APAT events either by the host venue or APAT (although I"m unsure on the latter score) to drum up any serious interest.
That was certainly the case last year at the Fitz where all they had done (AFAIK) was post up a few A4 posters....and I believe someone commented on the same about online boards etc.
We certainly clashed with the Winamax last year so that didn"t help either. In fact, if it hadn"t been for the lads who"d already busted from the Winamax playing the APAT the numbers would have been even worse.
I probably wouldn"t have gone to Ireland this year (although I might have been persuaded if enough of the diehards were going) but I"m definitely going this year...I"m just waiting on Aer Lingus to publish their January fares from Southend (my local airport) before pushing the button.
Throw in the new hotel, by the airport with a free airport shuttle, at a cheapo rate (it seems) with a 2 day PLO main and mixed sides..I"m all over that.
For those who want NLHE, the Fitz is a still there but, unfortunately, the much missed Larry Murphy"s is not. :(
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Out of interest, there has been little to no comment on Des saying that if it wasnt for the Omaha then there would be no Irish leg at all?
Surely its better to try a PLO leg than have nothing?
It does say there will be around the clock cash games as well. This obviously depends on numbers but some people (including myself) may go for this reason.
It is better to have a PLO leg than nothing reading the posts that appears to be what Des is saying? I do have to say I would consider it very unlikely that the number of people who go due to it being PLO will be anywhere near the number of people who won"t attend because it is not NLHE (as in coming over from UK). Paulie posted that PLO is pretty big in Ireland though so if that is the case then you are likely to get a large number of locals playing perhaps?
I will be honest and say I personally have my doubts but happy to be proved wrong here.
I might be missing the point here, but surely the APAT Irish leg is about provision of APAT style poker for those in the vicinity, ie the Irish that live in Ireland. There will of course be a contingent that will travel from the UK, but we shouldn"t be creating something to satisfy the UK travellers rather than the local players. If the primary goal was to satisfy the UK players, we wouldn"t be playing it in Dublin.
looks like my reply did not register so here it is again. apat is a tour and as such is not about provision for local players. if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event. apat need to attract local and players from afar. it has been said that the irish game is not well supported and the hope is plo will change that. my view is it is the cost of ireland that is the problem and plo will reduce the field further. given the event does not attract big numbers and some irish lads will not play plo then attracting players from outside ireland is even more important unfortunately i think this event is doomed to failure.
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apat is a tour and as such is not about provision for local players. if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event. apat need to attract local and players from afar. it has been said that the irish game is not well supported and the hope is plo will change that. my view is it is the cost of ireland that is the problem and plo will reduce the field further. given the event does not attract big numbers and some irish lads will not play plo then attracting players from outside ireland is even more important unfortunately i think this event is doomed to failure.
I pretty much disagree with every point made there.
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apat is a tour and as such is not about provision for local players. if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event. apat need to attract local and players from afar. it has been said that the irish game is not well supported and the hope is plo will change that. my view is it is the cost of ireland that is the problem and plo will reduce the field further. given the event does not attract big numbers and some irish lads will not play plo then attracting players from outside ireland is even more important unfortunately i think this event is doomed to failure.
I pretty much disagree with every point made there.
you and others will and other will not
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Stu,
One could certainly make that argument but others have commented on the fact that there was little or no marketing in Ireland of the APAT events either by the host venue or APAT (although I"m unsure on the latter score) to drum up any serious interest.
That was certainly the case last year at the Fitz where all they had done (AFAIK) was post up a few A4 posters....and I believe someone commented on the same about online boards etc.
We certainly clashed with the Winamax last year so that didn"t help either. In fact, if it hadn"t been for the lads who"d already busted from the Winamax playing the APAT the numbers would have been even worse.
I probably wouldn"t have gone to Ireland this year (although I might have been persuaded if enough of the diehards were going) but I"m definitely going this year...I"m just waiting on Aer Lingus to publish their January fares from Southend (my local airport) before pushing the button.
Throw in the new hotel, by the airport with a free airport shuttle, at a cheapo rate (it seems) with a 2 day PLO main and mixed sides..I"m all over that.
For those who want NLHE, the Fitz is a still there but, unfortunately, the much missed Larry Murphy"s is not. :(
I was playing devils advocate a little there admittedly.It seems that Tom has taken feedback around travel and hotels etc into consideration and i feel that it is a good package.
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Nice to see a bunch of dates that arent a clusterf*ck and are spread evenly.
Vegas and the euro event werent needed, just arrange a trip with your mates if you want a jolly.
As for me, ill play Bristol as its so local to me. Ill play the worlds, and Cov. The rest are going to be moreso on what im up to that weekend. Sayin that, ill prob end up at all of them lol
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PLO is HUGE in Ireland
Maybe in your mind Paulie,
These are some of the best cardrooms in Ireland, The Eglinton offer an omaha tourney on friday night, the rest, exclusively holdem!
http://fitzwilliamcardclub.com/poker/tournament-schedule (http://fitzwilliamcardclub.com/poker/tournament-schedule)
http://www.macausportingclub.com/#!nightly-tournament-schedule/c1ged (http://www.macausportingclub.com/#!nightly-tournament-schedule/c1ged)
http://www.theeglinton.com/PokerClub/Tournaments/tabid/63/Default.aspx (http://www.theeglinton.com/PokerClub/Tournaments/tabid/63/Default.aspx)
http://thegoldrushcardclub.com/ (http://thegoldrushcardclub.com/)
Surely numbers in recent times have shown the market isnt there in that case?
Again, not true. Check out Irish poker boards below for a snapshot of upcoming events, there is a clue in the number of operators/clubs offering tournies.
http://www.irishpokerboards.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7 (http://www.irishpokerboards.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7)
Out of interest, there has been little to no comment on Des saying that if it wasnt for the Omaha then there would be no Irish leg at all?
Surely its better to try a PLO leg than have nothing?
Seriously Stu?
+1 for Tom.
I bet he"s wrung out right now...the finishing touches weren"t put in place until the very last minute before the deadline. I was half convinced there were going to be some "TBC"s in there. :)
Absolutely, kudos for your efforts Tom.
But this is feedback, not a personal attack.
Finally, we have partnered with an independent operator for this event, I suspect that would be either JP Mc Cann or Stephen Mc Clean. They know the Irish market.
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Larry Santo AFAIK
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I said that it was my observation that PLO was better supported (perhaps HUGE was a bit of hyperbole) but the fact that it"s being offered on a regular basis is a fair indication.
Compare that to how often it"s offered in the UK.
I recall that the Fitzwilliam also had a PLO cash table going most of the time.
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Larry Santo AFAIK
Sound man,
https://www.facebook.com/LsEventsPromotions (https://www.facebook.com/LsEventsPromotions)
His next offering..,
http://www.irishpokerboards.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19243 (http://www.irishpokerboards.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19243)
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I recall that the Fitzwilliam also had a PLO cash table going most of the time.
One maybe two PLO cash tables alongside 4 - 10 PLHE cash tables.
Zero PLO Tournies which is pertinent to the game we propose to offer.
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Surely numbers in recent times have shown the market isnt there in that case?
Again, not true. Check out Irish poker boards below for a snapshot of upcoming events, there is a clue in the number of operators/clubs offering tournies.
http://www.irishpokerboards.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7 (http://www.irishpokerboards.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7)
Out of interest, there has been little to no comment on Des saying that if it wasnt for the Omaha then there would be no Irish leg at all?
Surely its better to try a PLO leg than have nothing?
Seriously Stu?
As i said before, i was playing a bit of devils advocate at times.
HOWEVER have APAT events had huge numbers turn up?
I can see why you are upset, I would imagine I would be, but APAT never come near to Stockton either, so I will never know the feeling!!
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Devils advocate or not, Stu makes a valid point.
The Irish events have, in the past few years, been poorly supported.
This is NOT the fault of the Irish contingent but it is a fact, I think, we should bear in mind.
Perhaps it is a reflection of the offerings already available or something else.
Differentiating this year is, to my mind, a good thing.
I do understand the reactions of the very loyal Irish players but how upset would they have been if APAT had NOTHING for them this year... And that was the other option.
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I do understand the reactions of the very loyal Irish players but how upset would they have been if APAT had NOTHING for them this year... And that was the other option.
I"ve had my say on this, as I do ;D
One last point though. I really see no logical explanation for the persistent contention....
PLO main event or Nothing
We"ve made a bold but informed decision towards independent operator hotel based event, that imho is sufficient to rescue the decline.
I would expect Larry Santo to be extremely diligent in promoting this event and I"m sure if asked he would definitely advise that a Holdem game is much more likely to be successful.
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I can only refer you to Mr Duffy"s comments...
Truth is, we"ve failed to deliver a significant event in Ireland over the past two to three years and I had actually told the guys to pull the leg this year, for the reason that I felt it important to simplify the overall schedule and commit to delivering the events we were focusing on, to a higher quality.
I"ve always wanted to do a big Irish event and felt that S9 would be the time to do it, when we hadn"t so many other projects to work on like merging our websites etc, as we do this year.
When Tom came back with an Irish event with a difference - PLO, in a hotel setting by the airport, and with the support of an Irish promoter, then I was happy to see it included. To make the event stand out on the Irish calendar it needed a point of difference - hence the decision to go with PLO.
Time will tell whether that was a bad decision or not, but I"m sure we had to do something bold to give us a chance of gaining some traction in Ireland after a pretty lean time of late.
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We need some sort of rule here.
There can only be one Devils Advocate per thread. Once someone posts, making that claim, then they have the position for the remainder of the thread.
Making a post which has the potential to be perceived as the poster claiming Devils Advocate does not count unless the poster does actually state their claim for the position.
Should a member wish to claim the Devils Advocate position prior to a thread going up, they can do so from the APAT Homepage for a non-refundable booking fee of £5. This right cannot be transferred via the seat exchange board, and should the member not claim their Devils Advocate position on the relevant thread when posted within 30 minutes, then the position becomes available on a first come, first served basis.
Anyone wishing to put their name down on the alternates list for the position of Devils Advocate may do so once a thread is posted, but if your name is called and you are not on the thread, then unfortunately, the APAT management reserves the right to offer the position to the next name on the alternate list.
For players looking to satellite into a Devils Advocate position, details will be posted shortly.
;D
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Classic...:)
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We need some sort of rule here.
There can only be one Devils Advocate per thread. Once someone posts, making that claim, then they have the position for the remainder of the thread.
Making a post which has the potential to be perceived as the poster claiming Devils Advocate does not count unless the poster does actually state their claim for the position.
Should a member wish to claim the Devils Advocate position prior to a thread going up, they can do so from the APAT Homepage for a non-refundable booking fee of £5. This right cannot be transferred via the seat exchange board, and should the member not claim their Devils Advocate position on the relevant thread when posted within 30 minutes, then the position becomes available on a first come, first served basis.
Anyone wishing to put their name down on the alternates list for the position of Devils Advocate may do so once a thread is posted, but if your name is called and you are not on the thread, then unfortunately, the APAT management reserves the right to offer the position to the next name on the alternate list.
For players looking to satellite into a Devils Advocate position, details will be posted shortly.
;D
like. Good work!
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We need some sort of rule here.
There can only be one Devils Advocate per thread. Once someone posts, making that claim, then they have the position for the remainder of the thread.
Making a post which has the potential to be perceived as the poster claiming Devils Advocate does not count unless the poster does actually state their claim for the position.
Should a member wish to claim the Devils Advocate position prior to a thread going up, they can do so from the APAT Homepage for a non-refundable booking fee of £5. This right cannot be transferred via the seat exchange board, and should the member not claim their Devils Advocate position on the relevant thread when posted within 30 minutes, then the position becomes available on a first come, first served basis.
Anyone wishing to put their name down on the alternates list for the position of Devils Advocate may do so once a thread is posted, but if your name is called and you are not on the thread, then unfortunately, the APAT management reserves the right to offer the position to the next name on the alternate list.
For players looking to satellite into a Devils Advocate position, details will be posted shortly soon.
;D
+1
Oh, and FYP ;)
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We need some sort of rule here.
There can only be one Devils Advocate per thread. Once someone posts, making that claim, then they have the position for the remainder of the thread.
Making a post which has the potential to be perceived as the poster claiming Devils Advocate does not count unless the poster does actually state their claim for the position.
Should a member wish to claim the Devils Advocate position prior to a thread going up, they can do so from the APAT Homepage for a non-refundable booking fee of £5. This right cannot be transferred via the seat exchange board, and should the member not claim their Devils Advocate position on the relevant thread when posted within 30 minutes, then the position becomes available on a first come, first served basis.
Anyone wishing to put their name down on the alternates list for the position of Devils Advocate may do so once a thread is posted, but if your name is called and you are not on the thread, then unfortunately, the APAT management reserves the right to offer the position to the next name on the alternate list.
For players looking to satellite into a Devils Advocate position, details will be posted shortly.
;D
post of the year
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We need some sort of rule here.
There can only be one Devils Advocate per thread. Once someone posts, making that claim, then they have the position for the remainder of the thread.
Making a post which has the potential to be perceived as the poster claiming Devils Advocate does not count unless the poster does actually state their claim for the position.
Should a member wish to claim the Devils Advocate position prior to a thread going up, they can do so from the APAT Homepage for a non-refundable booking fee of £5. This right cannot be transferred via the seat exchange board, and should the member not claim their Devils Advocate position on the relevant thread when posted within 30 minutes, then the position becomes available on a first come, first served basis.
Anyone wishing to put their name down on the alternates list for the position of Devils Advocate may do so once a thread is posted, but if your name is called and you are not on the thread, then unfortunately, the APAT management reserves the right to offer the position to the next name on the alternate list.
For players looking to satellite into a Devils Advocate position, details will be posted shortly.
;D
post of the year
Dear Sir,
Your nomination for "Post of the Year" has been received and recorded.
The committee will conduct it"s first round of assessments for this category in the near future at an undisclosed location
Please note that each forum member is allowed only 2 (two) nominations per year.
Nominations for posts not on the APAT forum (or copied from another forum regardless of their relevance to the subject) will not be accepted and will count against you in your nomination total.
Regards,
Paulie_D
Recording Secretary
Post of the Year Committee
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I am going to Dublin, what are they playing again ;D
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I think the schedule is an excellent "back to basics" Season 8.
Regarding "Irishgate", I strongly believe and trust in Brendan"s understanding and knowledge of the Irish poker scene. I also believe in Tom's discussions with an Irish promoter to support the event. Perhaps if the two could get together and have a chat about the event, then the best solution would find it"s way into the schedule.
Nothing other than the venue and dates will be set in stone yet for that event, so let"s do what APAT do best. Discuss, listen and adapt where appropriate.
I think it"s great that the Season 8 venues are mostly different to those used in Season 7, now, if only the same could be said for the players.
Wouldn"t it be great if every APATer that was planning on playing an event this season could find the time to talk about APAT to someone new. Someone who may have an interest in poker, but not played a live event before. Maybe let them know about how they could satellite into an event, or just pick an event and go as a group.
Yes the poker scene has changed, and perhaps gone are the days of a new player turning up to an APAT event with it being their first live event, with very little online experience, with a crib sheet so they don"t forget the hand rankings, but we"ve all been there at some point in our poker lives, and when I listen to people say that "It"s not like the old days", I think a lot of that is down to the need for new faces, and for the old faces to lead the way and welcome people with a smile.
I think it all gets a little too serious at times. Yeah, there is money at stake. And there"s the shiny medals and ranking bragging points, but APAT always used to be about being the best place for new players to play live because they"d get treated with a proper welcome.
I won"t forget my first APAT event. Initially sat on a table with Alistair "Ironside" Fowler who wouldn"t shut up, and then got moved to another table with a bloke to my left who reminded me of Jim from the Royal Family. (Priceless)
It"s an old school tour, with none of your expensive overseas trips and cash tours that often scare the hell out of new players. Pick a venue, get a seat, turn up and play.
Exactly how it should be.
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There was some talk a couple of years ago of APAT playing some events at hotels. This has some advantages and allows the possibility of packages being negotiated, but means having to organise dealers, chips, etc. Having an external promoter would seem to be a way of doing it. I wonder whether it is a likelihood for future tournaments in the UK (or abroad).
I kind of wish it wasn"t at an airport hotel, though. It"s obviously very convenient for the players, but it means that a lot, probably most, will never leave the airport to visit the city, so might as well be playing anywhere.
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I am pretty sure there will be a large contingent of Newbies for the Leeds leg from our neck of the woods :)
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I am pretty sure there will be a large contingent of Newbies for the Leeds leg from our neck of the woods :)
Crikey, they"ll be after Yorkshire Group Discount next ;)
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I went to a stag do in Leeds once. Went to watch the cricket, then out on the town. There was a nightclub which had a revolving dance floor.
Pure entertainment for the night just watching people trying to get on and off the dance floor.
Any locals know of this place and can remind me of it"s name ?
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I am going to Dublin, what are they playing again ;D
Flight & Hotel booked
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Nothing other than the venue and dates will be set in stone yet for that event, so let"s do what APAT do best. Discuss, listen and adapt where appropriate.
I would very much hope that this event including the format ARE set in stone.
If it were changed to NLHE, I would not attend.
I would be especially annoyed if this happened after i had booked flights / accommodation.
If it isn"t locked, this should be made abundantly clear as soon as possible and a "lock" date advised.
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Nothing other than the venue and dates will be set in stone yet for that event, so let"s do what APAT do best. Discuss, listen and adapt where appropriate.
I would very much hope that this event including the format ARE set in stone.
If it were changed to NLHE, I would not attend.
I would be especially annoyed if this happened after i had booked flights / accommodation.
If it isn"t locked, this should be made abundantly clear as soon as possible and a "lock" date advised.
Totally agree here; PLO would be the reason why I would make the trip from Belgium to Dublin. If I would book today and suddenly next week they decide to change it to NLH after all, I would be very annoyed!
But since Tom announced it as PLO, that won"t change I guess...
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Nothing other than the venue and dates will be set in stone yet for that event, so let"s do what APAT do best. Discuss, listen and adapt where appropriate.
I would very much hope that this event including the format ARE set in stone.
If it were changed to NLHE, I would not attend.
I would be especially annoyed if this happened after i had booked flights / accommodation.
there would be alot more who would attend and you would have no trouble selling accommodation.
If it isn"t locked, this should be made abundantly clear as soon as possible and a "lock" date advised.
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One thing that I would like to point out, is about the numbers of Irish based APAT players that attended recent APAT Ireland events.
Prior to last year, the 3 previous events were held in Cork, and a number of us travelled from the UK to support the event, as indeed we have and had done previously in Dublin, but to my recollection there were hardly any regular Irish based Apaters that came to Cork in any of the 3 years.
Therefore, and considering the poor numbers again last year, I really don"t see how any criticism, constructive or otherwise, is justified. For 5 years APAT have failed to capture the attention of Irish based players in the same way it has in other parts of the UK, so a change of tactics is more than fair.
I will say that these are facts and in no way is it a dig at my friends in Ireland, but if we cant even attract Apat regulars who live in Ireland, to travel to an Irish event, what chance is there of getting newbies to travel?
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James, I really am struggling to understand why you are adamant that the Dublin leg should be changed back to NLHE? Do you not believe that APAT should try new things to attract new members? I can understand Brendan"s/Damo"s POV because they live around the corner and it is their "home" leg so to speak, and also that they do not play PLO, but confused as to why you are so against it (and really the only one fighting for it).
You can see from posts above (Paulie, Stu, DodgyEnd, Ger, Rodders etc) that there are more than a few people willing to go to Ireland BECAUSE it is PLO. On top of that, it is well known in the UK that PLO tournaments do not work over here. DTD struggle to get runners for PLO. APAT struggle to get runners for PLO in their side events. If I were in Des/Tom/Matt's shoes, I would much rather try somewhere unknown than somewhere where bigger tours than APAT have tried, and failed miserably. Ireland to me seems the best chance of success for this event. Over the last 2 seasons, Ireland NLHE APAT main events have had <80 I believe each time, with a good number of them being travellers. Something had to be changed.
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Something had to be changed.
But I think Brendan has got this spot on when he said getting an Irish based promoter onboard is the change that was needed.
I think the the bigger deal here is actually APAT hosting an event in a hotel based environment. I think that is a huge step forward and potentially opens up all sorts of opportunities.
One other thing to add here, and I don"t want to second guess what Tom is planning for the WCOAP, but with the additional days booked in at Aspers Stratford, I can"t see why a 2 Day PLO Side Event would not be included. This would again be a first for APAT and another great step forward.
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Something had to be changed.
But I think Brendan has got this spot on when he said getting an Irish based promoter onboard is the change that was needed.
I think the the bigger deal here is actually APAT hosting an event in a hotel based environment. I think that is a huge step forward and potentially opens up all sorts of opportunities.
One other thing to add here, and I don"t want to second guess what Tom is planning for the WCOAP, but with the additional days booked in at Aspers Stratford, I can"t see why a 2 Day PLO Side Event would not be included. This would again be a first second for APAT and another great step forward.
There has already been alot of support for the OMaha event on this thread? It cant be changed now announced as people have booked flights and hotels surely??
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Something had to be changed.
But I think Brendan has got this spot on when he said getting an Irish based promoter onboard is the change that was needed.
I think the the bigger deal here is actually APAT hosting an event in a hotel based environment. I think that is a huge step forward and potentially opens up all sorts of opportunities.
One other thing to add here, and I don"t want to second guess what Tom is planning for the WCOAP, but with the additional days booked in at Aspers Stratford, I can"t see why a 2 Day PLO Side Event would not be included. This would again be a first second for APAT and another great step forward.
There has already been alot of support for the OMaha event on this thread? It cant be changed now announced as people have booked flights and hotels surely??
Yeah, I think you would be correct there, and Tom has done his research, so let"s all go play a crazy four card game in Dublin whilst drinking Guinness.
What could possibly go wrong ?
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Something had to be changed.
But I think Brendan has got this spot on when he said getting an Irish based promoter onboard is the change that was needed.
I think the the bigger deal here is actually APAT hosting an event in a hotel based environment. I think that is a huge step forward and potentially opens up all sorts of opportunities.
One other thing to add here, and I don"t want to second guess what Tom is planning for the WCOAP, but with the additional days booked in at Aspers Stratford, I can"t see why a 2 Day PLO Side Event would not be included. This would again be a first second for APAT and another great step forward.
There has already been alot of support for the OMaha event on this thread? It cant be changed now announced as people have booked flights and hotels surely??
Yeah, I think you would be correct there, and Tom has done his research, so let"s all go play a crazy four card game in Dublin whilst drinking Guinness.
What could possibly go wrong ?
This sounds like possibly the best idea anyone has had ever :)
Are you coming?
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Something had to be changed.
But I think Brendan has got this spot on when he said getting an Irish based promoter onboard is the change that was needed.
I think the the bigger deal here is actually APAT hosting an event in a hotel based environment. I think that is a huge step forward and potentially opens up all sorts of opportunities.
One other thing to add here, and I don"t want to second guess what Tom is planning for the WCOAP, but with the additional days booked in at Aspers Stratford, I can"t see why a 2 Day PLO Side Event would not be included. This would again be a first second for APAT and another great step forward.
There has already been alot of support for the OMaha event on this thread? It cant be changed now announced as people have booked flights and hotels surely??
Yeah, I think you would be correct there, and Tom has done his research, so let"s all go play a crazy four card game in Dublin whilst drinking Guinness.
What could possibly go wrong ?
This sounds like possibly the best idea anyone has had ever :)
Are you coming?
Will see what the Aer Lingus flights from Bournemouth are priced like, so it"s definitely a possibility.
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Something had to be changed.
But I think Brendan has got this spot on when he said getting an Irish based promoter onboard is the change that was needed.
I think the the bigger deal here is actually APAT hosting an event in a hotel based environment. I think that is a huge step forward and potentially opens up all sorts of opportunities.
One other thing to add here, and I don"t want to second guess what Tom is planning for the WCOAP, but with the additional days booked in at Aspers Stratford, I can"t see why a 2 Day PLO Side Event would not be included. This would again be a first second for APAT and another great step forward.
There has already been alot of support for the OMaha event on this thread? It cant be changed now announced as people have booked flights and hotels surely??
Yeah, I think you would be correct there, and Tom has done his research, so let"s all go play a crazy four card game in Dublin whilst drinking Guinness.
What could possibly go wrong ?
This sounds like possibly the best idea anyone has had ever :)
Are you coming?
Will see what the Aer Lingus flights from Bournemouth are priced like, so it"s definitely a possibility.
Best news of the whole announcement :)
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It can"t reasonably be changed at this stage, and in fairness we need to run it and assess the result.
Two other things that I would add.
1) Ireland is a very competitive market and one that we haven"t achieved traction in, for a number of reasons, some covered above. One of our barriers to suceeding in Ireland is our lack of guarantees, which a number of our competitors offer. So we are looking for a point of difference this year and PLO will give us that in a multi day event.
2) it may well be that the event will run as PLO, but the APAT Irish Amateur title is still up for grabs. Players have six months to perfect their game and can potentially create a greater edge in this field during that time than they might have with NLHE.
I do know this event won"t be exactly what some of you want this year, but as always we"d appreciate your support. Having a successful event will increase our options in future seasons and going the hotel route, bringing Larry in and creating a newsworthy and relevant point of difference is our attempt to break through.
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I have been doing some basic research. All of the following flights are with Ryanair. They fly Friday 9 Jan and return Monday 12 Jan. No checked in bags - hand luggage only. Pretty sure most of you know the rest of Ryanair"s rules.
Leeds Bradford - leave 6.30am, rtn 8am - £48 (can leave at 7pm same return for an extra £6)
Birmingham - leave 8am rtn 6.30am - £48 (can leave 12pm or 3.50pm for an extra £6)
Bristol - all flights cost £57
East Midlands - all flights cost £48
Edinburgh - cheapest flight combination £53 (all outward flights with rtn at 6.35am - later returns for an extra £6)
Glasgow - all flights cost £50
Liverpool - leave 6.30am rtn 7.50am or 10.05pm £48
Gatwick - all flights cost £61
Luton - all flights cost £61
Stansted - Most flights cost £61. There is one combination that costs more.
Manchester - leave 7.50am rtn 6.20am or 8pm £47. The other combinations cost £57.
Newcastle - all flights cost £57.
Other airports that Ryanair dont use:
Cardiff - £91 with Aer Lingus
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From what I saw travelling from Bristol to Cardiff by train one sunday morning, Welsh folks, um, enjoy, saturday nights in Bristol very much.
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I am going to Dublin, what are they playing again ;D
Flight & Hotel booked
;D
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James, I really am struggling to understand why you are adamant that the Dublin leg should be changed back to NLHE? Do you not believe that APAT should try new things to attract new members? I can understand Brendan"s/Damo"s POV because they live around the corner and it is their "home" leg so to speak, and also that they do not play PLO, but confused as to why you are so against it (and really the only one fighting for it).
You can see from posts above (Paulie, Stu, DodgyEnd, Ger, Rodders etc) that there are more than a few people willing to go to Ireland BECAUSE it is PLO. On top of that, it is well known in the UK that PLO tournaments do not work over here. DTD struggle to get runners for PLO. APAT struggle to get runners for PLO in their side events. If I were in Des/Tom/Matt's shoes, I would much rather try somewhere unknown than somewhere where bigger tours than APAT have tried, and failed miserably. Ireland to me seems the best chance of success for this event. Over the last 2 seasons, Ireland NLHE APAT main events have had <80 I believe each time, with a good number of them being travellers. Something had to be changed.
when irish players are saying they would have played but are going to because it is plo then there is cause for concern. the facts are that nlh is by far and away more popular than plo and hence will attract more players.
if you were to put two games on on the same date with the same buy in and afford them the same promotional drive, then i would suggest the nlh entry would blow plo out of the water.
i would guess that the number of players not going because it is plo will be far greater than those who are only going because it is plo. i am not going because i do not like omaha and only ever play plo if i have to.
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apat is a tour and as such is not about provision for local players. if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event. apat need to attract local and players from afar. it has been said that the irish game is not well supported and the hope is plo will change that. my view is it is the cost of ireland that is the problem and plo will reduce the field further. given the event does not attract big numbers and some irish lads will not play plo then attracting players from outside ireland is even more important unfortunately i think this event is doomed to failure.
I pretty much disagree with every point made there.
really. enlighten please
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James, I really am struggling to understand why you are adamant that the Dublin leg should be changed back to NLHE? Do you not believe that APAT should try new things to attract new members? I can understand Brendan"s/Damo"s POV because they live around the corner and it is their "home" leg so to speak, and also that they do not play PLO, but confused as to why you are so against it (and really the only one fighting for it).
You can see from posts above (Paulie, Stu, DodgyEnd, Ger, Rodders etc) that there are more than a few people willing to go to Ireland BECAUSE it is PLO. On top of that, it is well known in the UK that PLO tournaments do not work over here. DTD struggle to get runners for PLO. APAT struggle to get runners for PLO in their side events. If I were in Des/Tom/Matt's shoes, I would much rather try somewhere unknown than somewhere where bigger tours than APAT have tried, and failed miserably. Ireland to me seems the best chance of success for this event. Over the last 2 seasons, Ireland NLHE APAT main events have had <80 I believe each time, with a good number of them being travellers. Something had to be changed.
Where have I said I will go because it is PLO? I have said I will go but not play because it is PLO :-).
Personally I think the only support we have got is from people who to be quite honest would have gone whatever. From what I can read the only people who have said they will go because it is PLO are Tom, Paulie and Stu (and he would have gone anyway most likely - there are good pubs, although he is strangely good at PLO for some reason). At the same time you have Brendan, Damo, James and myself who have said they will not play (although there is a good chance I might do so anyway I admit although I am dead money). When some really good PLO players like Steve Redfern and Dave Howard are not going this says something as well, I am pretty sure those two would be there if it was in England.
All the above said Des and Tom know how to do this far better than I do so I am not saying it can"t work but think it would be a good idea to take Brendan"s advice and partner with an Irish promoter.
I have already booked return flights from Cardiff. It will still be an awesome weekend whatever, you coming?
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James, I really am struggling to understand why you are adamant that the Dublin leg should be changed back to NLHE? Do you not believe that APAT should try new things to attract new members? I can understand Brendan"s/Damo"s POV because they live around the corner and it is their "home" leg so to speak, and also that they do not play PLO, but confused as to why you are so against it (and really the only one fighting for it).
You can see from posts above (Paulie, Stu, DodgyEnd, Ger, Rodders etc) that there are more than a few people willing to go to Ireland BECAUSE it is PLO. On top of that, it is well known in the UK that PLO tournaments do not work over here. DTD struggle to get runners for PLO. APAT struggle to get runners for PLO in their side events. If I were in Des/Tom/Matt's shoes, I would much rather try somewhere unknown than somewhere where bigger tours than APAT have tried, and failed miserably. Ireland to me seems the best chance of success for this event. Over the last 2 seasons, Ireland NLHE APAT main events have had <80 I believe each time, with a good number of them being travellers. Something had to be changed.
Where have I said I will go because it is PLO? I have said I will go but not play because it is PLO :-).
Personally I think the only support we have got is from people who to be quite honest would have gone whatever. From what I can read the only people who have said they will go because it is PLO are Tom, Paulie and Stu (and he would have gone anyway most likely - there are good pubs, although he is strangely good at PLO for some reason). At the same time you have Brendan, Damo, James and myself who have said they will not play (although there is a good chance I might do so anyway I admit although I am dead money). When some really good PLO players like Steve Redfern and Dave Howard are not going this says something as well, I am pretty sure those two would be there if it was in England.
All the above said Des and Tom know how to do this far better than I do so I am not saying it can"t work but think it would be a good idea to take Brendan"s advice and partner with an Irish promoter.
I have already booked return flights from Cardiff. It will still be an awesome weekend whatever, you coming?
Willing to bet that you enter the PLO :p
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All the above said Des and Tom know how to do this far better than I do so I am not saying it can"t work but think it would be a good idea to take Brendan"s advice and partner with an Irish promoter.
Steve, perhaps it"s not clear from the announcement that the PLO is, in fact, in partnership with a promoter otherwise we"d be in a casino.
It"s Lorand (Larry) Santo, a long time and much respected poker events manager in Ireland who TDs at many Main Events in Ireland and can often be found in the early hours of most major Irish events running their cash game tables, including the IPO, Irish Open, UKIPT Galway etc.
I"m sure that he wouldn"t put it on if he didn"t feel there would be ample support.
However, it"s not until January, and all we have are the bare bones. We don"t know how many seats there will be or the structure so there"s still a lot of unknowns.
That said, now that Des has said it"s on and won;t be changed, I will be booking flights as soon as Aer Lingus put out their January flights from Southend.
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James, I really am struggling to understand why you are adamant that the Dublin leg should be changed back to NLHE? Do you not believe that APAT should try new things to attract new members? I can understand Brendan"s/Damo"s POV because they live around the corner and it is their "home" leg so to speak, and also that they do not play PLO, but confused as to why you are so against it (and really the only one fighting for it).
You can see from posts above (Paulie, Stu, DodgyEnd, Ger, Rodders etc) that there are more than a few people willing to go to Ireland BECAUSE it is PLO. On top of that, it is well known in the UK that PLO tournaments do not work over here. DTD struggle to get runners for PLO. APAT struggle to get runners for PLO in their side events. If I were in Des/Tom/Matt's shoes, I would much rather try somewhere unknown than somewhere where bigger tours than APAT have tried, and failed miserably. Ireland to me seems the best chance of success for this event. Over the last 2 seasons, Ireland NLHE APAT main events have had <80 I believe each time, with a good number of them being travellers. Something had to be changed.
Where have I said I will go because it is PLO? I have said I will go but not play because it is PLO :-).
Personally I think the only support we have got is from people who to be quite honest would have gone whatever. From what I can read the only people who have said they will go because it is PLO are Tom, Paulie and Stu (and he would have gone anyway most likely - there are good pubs, although he is strangely good at PLO for some reason). At the same time you have Brendan, Damo, James and myself who have said they will not play (although there is a good chance I might do so anyway I admit although I am dead money). When some really good PLO players like Steve Redfern and Dave Howard are not going this says something as well, I am pretty sure those two would be there if it was in England.
All the above said Des and Tom know how to do this far better than I do so I am not saying it can"t work but think it would be a good idea to take Brendan"s advice and partner with an Irish promoter.
I have already booked return flights from Cardiff. It will still be an awesome weekend whatever, you coming?
Sorry Steve, think I have misread your post slightly :-) I knew you were definitely going to Dublin!
At the moment I intend to attend that weekend. Whether that be as a player or not is a second question (I have dealt in Ireland in the past so might end up putting myself forward for that if there are vacancies) but also I am waiting to hear something regarding work - but that won"t be until approximately September so I cannot completely commit right now.
James, I really am struggling to understand why you are adamant that the Dublin leg should be changed back to NLHE? Do you not believe that APAT should try new things to attract new members? I can understand Brendan"s/Damo"s POV because they live around the corner and it is their "home" leg so to speak, and also that they do not play PLO, but confused as to why you are so against it (and really the only one fighting for it).
You can see from posts above (Paulie, Stu, DodgyEnd, Ger, Rodders etc) that there are more than a few people willing to go to Ireland BECAUSE it is PLO. On top of that, it is well known in the UK that PLO tournaments do not work over here. DTD struggle to get runners for PLO. APAT struggle to get runners for PLO in their side events. If I were in Des/Tom/Matt's shoes, I would much rather try somewhere unknown than somewhere where bigger tours than APAT have tried, and failed miserably. Ireland to me seems the best chance of success for this event. Over the last 2 seasons, Ireland NLHE APAT main events have had <80 I believe each time, with a good number of them being travellers. Something had to be changed.
when irish players are saying they would have played but are going to because it is plo then there is cause for concern. the facts are that nlh is by far and away more popular than plo and hence will attract more players.
if you were to put two games on on the same date with the same buy in and afford them the same promotional drive, then i would suggest the nlh entry would blow plo out of the water.
i would guess that the number of players not going because it is plo will be far greater than those who are only going because it is plo. i am not going because i do not like omaha and only ever play plo if i have to.
AFAIK after reading through the thread, you, Brendan and Damian Bailie are the only people who have said they aren"t going because it is PLO. Others have said they aren"t going because it is in Ireland (and I direct all of those people to my previous post on Page 8 which has <£60 flights for the weekend, which would be approx. the same or cheaper than to travel to areas such as Edinburgh for example) but would love to play a 2 day PLO event.
I also wouldn"t be surprised to see that there are NLH tournaments on over the weekend - they just won"t be the main event.
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Personally I think the only support we have got is from people who to be quite honest would have gone whatever. From what I can read the only people who have said they will go because it is PLO are Tom, Paulie and Stu
FWIW I"m much more likely to go now that it"s PLO
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apat is a tour and as such is not about provision for local players. if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event. apat need to attract local and players from afar. it has been said that the irish game is not well supported and the hope is plo will change that. my view is it is the cost of ireland that is the problem and plo will reduce the field further. given the event does not attract big numbers and some irish lads will not play plo then attracting players from outside ireland is even more important unfortunately i think this event is doomed to failure.
I pretty much disagree with every point made there.
really. enlighten please
Ok, I was going to just agree to disagree but...
apat is a tour and as such is not about provision for local players. if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event.
APAT is a tour and the reason for that is to bring low stakes well-structured tournament to locals who otherwise would not see them.
The tour is absolutely about locals.
if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event.
Sorry...that"s just nonsense...If an event sells out with all locals then it"s a success regardless. If it gets a very poor turnout then one could argue that the event has failed.
The only time that this has happened is, basically, Ireland in recent years..to my knowledge.
apat need to attract local and players from afar.
Not strictly true....APAT likes the fact that members are willing to travel quite long distances to play "away" but they don"t NEED then to turn up. As I said, as long as the event is well supported APAT doesn"t mind where they come from.
it has been said that the irish game is not well supported and the hope is plo will change that.
Actually, this one is on the money, it is hoped that PLO will attract more locals....nothing else seems to*...I know that the UK players who are willing to travel will only be a small proportion of the full field...but that has been the case at most "distant" events.
*I do not include our already loyal local contingent who are, unfortunately, relatively small in number.
my view is it is the cost of ireland that is the problem
If you mean the travel cost, then it"s the perceived cost. It"s already been demonstrated that with advance planning the difference in cost between Dublin, Edinburgh, Leeds, Bristol is very small.
If you mean the cost of "living"...that"s somewhat true..a pint in an Irish pub is more than one in a UK pub....but I"ve had some expensive pints in casinos and big city pubs too.
plo will reduce the field further
Time will tell. It"s certainly not true in my case and some of the "objections" weren"t over the fact that it was PLO, it was over the choice to have the first PLO "main" outside of the UK. Many have said that they"d love to play a 2-day PLO if it was in Coventry or Stratford (and that may still happen).
given the event does not attract big numbers and some irish lads will not play plo then attracting players from outside ireland is even more important
I disagree slightly with this...attracting more players FULL STOP is what is being attempted. Where they come from is not really relevant.
Will PLO turn off some of our regular loyal locals? Apparently it will and that is to be regretted but, as has been said, the alternative was nothing so, in effect, they are no worse off.
Their choices were for "no event" or an "event they won"t play"
unfortunately i think this event is doomed to failure
It may turn out that this will be doomed to failure, I hope not, but at least APAT tried. If it does flop, then at least a lesson has been learned and perhaps teaming with a promoter for a NLHE event in Ireland will be on the S9 schedule.
Sorry to go on so long..but you asked. :)
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Paulie in diplomatic response to antagonising question shocker.
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I think the arguments on both sides have been well established now, so let"s please move on from the PLO event...
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I think the arguments on both sides have been well established now, so let"s please move on from the PLO event...
True....it"s the only bone of contention. Everybody seems happy with the rest of the schedule.
Now WCOAP on the other hand.
3 flights for the ME
2 day PLO
2 day PLO8
Hey...I can dream can"t I? :)
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AFAIK after reading through the thread, you, Brendan and Damian Bailie are the only people who have said they aren"t going
Please do not misquote me Adam! I HAVE NOT SAID THAT ITT.
Cliffs.....
- The Change to PLO main event is a Sledgehammer when a screwdriver was needed.
- Partnering with Larry Santo for, a hotel based, Irish NLHE main event, was sufficient change to ensure a record crowd. ( ~150 was max capacity at The Fitz )
- If there is demand within the Apat Calender for a 2 day PLO event, do so as an addition not as a replacement.
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Will direct buyin/sats be on Coral?
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Qualifying and buy in details will be announced in the next week.
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I have touted the Independent operator hotel based event to you previously, it"s a tried and trusted format in the Irish poker market and always seemed to me to be ideal for the travelling Apat contingent, so bravo for that excellent change.
Maybe I am being a little selfish here but holdem is my game and to have my single home Apat event changed to PLO is devastating tbh. An Irish Apat leg without a holdem main event offers no appeal whatsoever to me personally.
Apologies Brendan, I read the above which reads like you wouldnt be attending as it offers no appeal whatsoever. If you do plan to attend then that would be awesome, be good to see you again :)
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I have touted the Independent operator hotel based event to you previously, it"s a tried and trusted format in the Irish poker market and always seemed to me to be ideal for the travelling Apat contingent, so bravo for that excellent change.
Maybe I am being a little selfish here but holdem is my game and to have my single home Apat event changed to PLO is devastating tbh. An Irish Apat leg without a holdem main event offers no appeal whatsoever to me personally.
Apologies Brendan, I read the above which reads like you wouldnt be attending as it offers no appeal whatsoever. If you do plan to attend then that would be awesome, be good to see you again :)
No sweat Adam, of course if at all possible I will drop in for chat and a drink, always good to catch up with Apat family ;D
On reflection the distinction seems quite pedantic but I am a pedantic sod and to me there is a marked difference. One suggests throw the toys out of the pram "I"m not going" the other, which I wanted to convey, is more "I"m very very disappointed at this unnecessary development"
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I think the arguments on both sides have been well established now, so let"s please move on from the PLO event...
I agree with Des. We know what the people who have posted think about it, so not much point going around in circles any more. We need to argue about some of the other things on the schedule instead.
Actually, it would be interesting to see some more reactions to some of the other parts of the programme. Personally, I"d like more details about the Aspers extravaganza.
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This thread is getting really annoying as questions being posted up don"t seem to be getting answered.
Does anyone know the name of the nightclub in Leeds with the revolving dance floor ?
Anyone ?
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This thread is getting really annoying as questions being posted up don"t seem to be getting answered.
Does anyone know the name of the nightclub in Leeds with the revolving dance floor ?
Anyone ?
Bondi Beach bar? Vague memories once of trying to get off it... x
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Knew I could rely on you Phil :) TY
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Paulie in diplomatic response to antagonising question shocker.
This high blood pressure thingy must be affecting his judgement. "we want our old Paulie Back, we want our old.........." ;)
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Paulie in diplomatic response to antagonising question shocker.
This high blood pressure thingy must be affecting his judgement. "we want our old Paulie Back, we want our old.........." ;)
Feck "Orf!
Happy now? :)
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Hi All, apologies for not commenting earlier but I was tied up since Friday running a team event in Yorkshire.
I don"t feel I can add much more to the discussion than Des has already covered, so, moving forward...
We"re just putting the finishing touches to the Season 8 Player Ranking/Leaderboard, reviewing the Cash Tournament rules (which I"ll publish for comment/feedback) and finalising the Bristol Player Briefing - and expect this/next week to release additional details for the Season 8 schedule which will include dates for online events - National Online League, National Cup, Online (equivalent) Amateur Poker Championship(s) and Satellites for live events - along with Holding Tank details for Bristol.
I will open a separate forum thread for S8 WCOAP feedback, and views for what you feel may be good, or bad, for S8 WCOAP, to allow us to finalise our options and desire to make Season 8 even bigger and better, and more accessible.
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apat is a tour and as such is not about provision for local players. if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event. apat need to attract local and players from afar. it has been said that the irish game is not well supported and the hope is plo will change that. my view is it is the cost of ireland that is the problem and plo will reduce the field further. given the event does not attract big numbers and some irish lads will not play plo then attracting players from outside ireland is even more important unfortunately i think this event is doomed to failure.
I pretty much disagree with every point made there.
really. enlighten please
Ok, I was going to just agree to disagree but...
apat is a tour and as such is not about provision for local players. if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event.
please use all of my comments instead of snippets to suit your argument.
i repeat apat needs both local and regs at games. if only to give credibility to national euro and world titles. a game without travelling players cannot claim to be a welsh, english or world championship. otherwise my local can hold a world championship next monday and fill it with bar regs.
APAT is a tour and the reason for that is to bring low stakes well-structured tournament to locals who otherwise would not see them.
The tour is absolutely about locals. as above.
if an event only attracted local players then apat would have failed in that event.
Sorry...that"s just nonsense...If an event sells out with all locals then it"s a success regardless.
it could not claim to be a national titled game though. well it could but in name only.
The only time that this has happened is, basically, Ireland in recent years..to my knowledge.
apat need to attract local and players from afar.
Not strictly true....APAT likes the fact that members are willing to travel quite long distances to play "away" but they don"t NEED then to turn up. As I said, as long as the event is well supported APAT doesn"t mind where they come from.
ref above
it has been said that the irish game is not well supported and the hope is plo will change that.
Actually, this one is on the money, it is hoped that PLO will attract more locals....nothing else seems to*...I know that the UK players who are willing to travel will only be a small proportion of the full field...but that has been the case at most "distant" events.
nhl is by far more popular than plo.hence plo will never get more players than nlh
*I do not include our already loyal local contingent who are, unfortunately, relatively small in number.
my view is it is the cost of ireland that is the problem
If you mean the travel cost, then it"s the perceived cost. It"s already been demonstrated that with advance planning the difference in cost between Dublin, Edinburgh, Leeds, Bristol is very small.
If you mean the cost of "living"...that"s somewhat true..a pint in an Irish pub is more than one in a UK pub....but I"ve had some expensive pints in casinos and big city pubs too.
yes i mean cost of living. we have all paid over the top for a pint or two. that is not the point, the fact is it does not help when trying to get players to travel, that the said place is expensive.
plo will reduce the field further
Time will tell. It"s certainly not true in my case and some of the "objections" weren"t over the fact that it was PLO, it was over the choice to have the first PLO "main" outside of the UK. Many have said that they"d love to play a 2-day PLO if it was in Coventry or Stratford (and that may still happen).
given the event does not attract big numbers and some irish lads will not play plo then attracting players from outside ireland is even more important
I disagree slightly with this...attracting more players FULL STOP is what is being attempted. Where they come from is not really relevant.
thought your target was locals. at least we agree on something in that attracting more players full stop. however need both local and travelling players.
Will PLO turn off some of our regular loyal locals? Apparently it will and that is to be regretted but, as has been said, the alternative was nothing so, in effect, they are no worse off.
Their choices were for "no event" or an "event they won"t play"
there was no need to drop nlh. just give it the promotion that plo is getting. then you would have an even bigger field.
unfortunately i think this event is doomed to failure
It may turn out that this will be doomed to failure, I hope not, but at least APAT tried. If it does flop, then at least a lesson has been learned and perhaps teaming with a promoter for a NLHE event in Ireland will be on the S9 schedule.
i dont think any apater wants to see an event fail.
Sorry to go on so long..but you asked. :)
anyway i am done with this now. i will not be there as not prepared to play a main event of plo because i do not like the game and no nlh is not my favourite game.
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Paulie in diplomatic response to antagonising question shocker.
This high blood pressure thingy must be affecting his judgement. "we want our old Paulie Back, we want our old.........." ;)
Feck "Orf!
Happy now? :)
Thats better ;D
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I have had a good study of the APAT Season 8 Schedule, the spread of dates throughout the year, the locations,
the simplicity "back to basics" without too many Team events,
and of course the added value for the winners.
My opinion is
I like it !
a lot!
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I have had a good study of the APAT Season 8 Schedule, the spread of dates throughout the year, the locations,
the simplicity "back to basics" without too many Team events,
and of course the added value for the winners.
My opinion is
I like it !
a lot!
That sums it up well.
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Schedule looks really good.
Good to see that there will be much consideration of games other than Holdem, which personally I am a bit bored of now.
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Well played by Coral.
Good to see that they are with us this season.
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Well played by Coral.
Good to see that they are with us this season.
^^^^+1^^^^
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Good stuff, lets hope we stay with Coral all season!
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totally agree Ad
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Well played by Coral.
Good to see that they are with us this season.
Great stuff
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Coral will be with us for the next year thanks to a great piece of work by Matt. With the UK regulating in August, and all of the commitment that would have required, this is a very good result for APAT and our members.
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Well done APAT!
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7 seasons living in Yorkshire waiting for APAT to arrive and it finally happens in season 8...........
just as I put my house on the market and move back to Scotland :D
Hopefully see you at some of these events throughout the year, just need to get a pass from Mrs SirP.
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just as I put my house on the market and move back to Scotland
APAT is sponsored by RightMove.co.uk in S8 :)
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Leeds a good choice, should be able to make that one and stagger home from the casino
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Below is the PLANNED schedule for Bristol which I would expect/hope to be the norm - although saying that, I think we have an appetite for the Fri evening event to be something other than the Cash Tournament at times - something a little more "social" - so still keeping it to around 3 hours play to allow players to then socialise on completion (and come back on sat around noon to complete) - with the Main Event always planned to start 14:30 on Saturday to allow those travelling on Saturday morning plenty of time to arrive before the start. I"m also looking at the "non-holdem" Sunday side event being at times something different from PLO (obv depends on venue capability).
The Bristol player briefing will be published later this week once I have everything confirmed with the venue.
Fri 4th Jul:
21:00-23:59 APAT Welsh Cash Tournament (NLHE) Side Event Phase One £50-£100 + £10 + £5 (max 5 tables) - Final Table Qualifier
Sat 5th Jul:
12:00-14:00 APAT Welsh Cash Tournament (NLHE) Side Event Phase Two - Final Table
14:30-00:30 Main Event: APAT Welsh Amateur Poker Championship (NLHE) (Day 1) £75 + £7.50 (max 180)
19:00-completion APAT Welsh NLHE Side Event £25 + £5
21:00-completion Exclusive APAT-only cash table for Main/Side Event players
Sun 6th Jul:
12:00-completion Main Event: APAT Welsh Amateur Poker Championship (Day 2)
13:00-completion APAT Welsh PLO Side Event £25 + £5
14:30-completion Exclusive APAT-only cash table For Main/Side Event players
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Looks good Tom.
I think the earlier start for the main event and side event on day 2 will go down really well. I hope this can be replicated at the other stops.
I am surprised you are persevering with the cash tour though. It looked a nightmare to administrate and was never really pulling in a big Friday night crowd. Perhaps that"s a little harsh as I know it was popular with a core group - I am just not sure it"s really going to grow any bigger than that. I guess most of the casino"s will have a Friday night event on anyway for those that want to travel earlier.
Gl with everything this year, I will support where I can.
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The cash games are always going to struggle as it is £100 to enter!! Thats alot of money for your average person, especially when the main event of the weekend is only £75 IMO.
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The cash games are always going to struggle as it is £100 to enter!! Thats alot of money for your average person, especially when the main event of the weekend is only £75 IMO.
+1
Less is more etc
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Yes I agree - tbh I"m not yet 100% sure we will continue with the Cash Tournament - that will be decided this week and if need be, the Bristol weekend changed accordingly - if we didn"t have the Cash Tournament on a Fri evening, I"d be interested in players" views to what they would like to see replace it and 2 what would attract them to attend on a Fri evening - of course I"m not adverse to simply tagging onto something that the venue will be running - means I could play and have a "quiet one"!
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I would say make a decision based on the Casino"s game. A lot of people who go Friday don"t play anyway - Friday is generally seen as the drinking night.
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Yes I agree - tbh I"m not yet 100% sure we will continue with the Cash Tournament - that will be decided this week and if need be, the Bristol weekend changed accordingly - if we didn"t have the Cash Tournament on a Fri evening, I"d be interested in players" views to what they would like to see replace it and 2 what would attract them to attend on a Fri evening - of course I"m not adverse to simply tagging onto something that the venue will be running - means I could play and have a "quiet one"!
Just rename it the TG Cash Game and be done with it :)
Pretty sure Webber and I will be there for it.....
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I would say make a decision based on the Casino"s game. A lot of people who go Friday don"t play anyway - Friday is generally seen as the drinking night.
True but if APAT could lay on something a little different...like 2-man team comp (with chip passing), or a SNG shootout comp that could be over and done with in 2-3 hours...that still leaves plenty of time for frivolity*.
* Not that I do that any more.
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Or....perhaps arranging for us to self-deal something ourselves..one table at a time.
A suitable table-rent/vig wouldn"t be out of line.
I know we"ve tried to get a PLO8 SNG going on a few occasions but have been denied for various reasons.
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Loving S8 schedule.
I like to play as many APAT's as possible and any venue I can go to without the need for overnight accommodation greatly increases my chances of playing it.
I feel very lucky that my Midlands base would allow me to play; Bristol, Luton, Leeds, Manchester, and Coventry quite easily.
I will make a special effort to book a hotel so I can play more than 1 event at the WCOAP.
So S8 looks like my best chance yet of a deep run!
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Keep the cash..... :)
When will DBI be available on Coral? I dont really wanna pay the extra £5r (lets not start that debate) but im deffo playing. Obv in Vegas now for the week prior, so dont wanna miss out???
Anyone help?
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Keep the cash..... :)
When will DBI be available on Coral? I dont really wanna pay the extra £5r (lets not start that debate) but im deffo playing. Obv in Vegas now for the week prior, so dont wanna miss out???
Anyone help?
DBI via Coral has been requested mate, and I"ve just chased them an hour or so ago
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Keep the cash..... :)
When will DBI be available on Coral? I dont really wanna pay the extra £5r (lets not start that debate) but im deffo playing. Obv in Vegas now for the week prior, so dont wanna miss out???
Anyone help?
DBI via Coral has been requested mate, and I"ve just chased them an hour or so ago
Much Love
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What about prehaps doing some SNGs on the Friday evening and having WCOAP buy ins as prizes? Or if enough interest what about WCOAP package, ME + 2/3 sides if a player snags more than 1 they can use dosh for expenses if they prefer?.. Obv you could have SNGs consisting of NLH, PLO, or PLO8 depending on Casino etc..
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I like Carl"s idea. Basically, live satellites.
My only concern, well my principal concern, is the vig.
I have no problem paying £20+2 for a shot at a ME /SE seat but I"m not going to pay what seems to be a casino minimum of £20+5
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I like Carl"s idea. Basically, live satellites.
My only concern, well my principal concern, is the vig.
I have no problem paying £20+2 for a shot at a ME /SE seat but I"m not going to pay what seems to be a casino minimum of £20+5
+1
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The cash games are always going to struggle as it is £100 to enter!! Thats alot of money for your average person, especially when the main event of the weekend is only £75 IMO.
The max buy in for the cash tour is £100. You can just as happily buy in for minimum of £50.
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Just a quick one. Any news on direct buy ins on Coral yet?
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Yes I agree - tbh I"m not yet 100% sure we will continue with the Cash Tournament - that will be decided this week and if need be, the Bristol weekend changed accordingly - if we didn"t have the Cash Tournament on a Fri evening, I"d be interested in players" views to what they would like to see replace it and 2 what would attract them to attend on a Fri evening - of course I"m not adverse to simply tagging onto something that the venue will be running - means I could play and have a "quiet one"!
My preference for the Friday night would be something like a £30-£40 freezeout. APAT bounties on well known players selected pre tournament. Added value of a London side event seat + Coral bits for the winner. Hoodies for all at the final table. Ranking points included.
Basically the casino comp but with some APAT extras. Ranking points will encourage a fair few extra I would think. If that sort of tournament was guaranteed to run on the Friday night, I would make more effort.
As it is, it"s usually the casino comp where the structure, buyin, runners, etc is usually fairly unknown until you turn up so not worth risking.
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Yes I agree - tbh I"m not yet 100% sure we will continue with the Cash Tournament - that will be decided this week and if need be, the Bristol weekend changed accordingly - if we didn"t have the Cash Tournament on a Fri evening, I"d be interested in players" views to what they would like to see replace it and 2 what would attract them to attend on a Fri evening - of course I"m not adverse to simply tagging onto something that the venue will be running - means I could play and have a "quiet one"!
My preference for the Friday night would be something like a £30-£40 freezeout. APAT bounties on well known players selected pre tournament. Added value of a London side event seat + Coral bits for the winner. Hoodies for all at the final table. Ranking points included.
Friday nights (IMO) should be more about the social, fun, side of an APAT event...a mini-ME is, erm, waaay too serious.... :)
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Yes I agree - tbh I"m not yet 100% sure we will continue with the Cash Tournament - that will be decided this week and if need be, the Bristol weekend changed accordingly - if we didn"t have the Cash Tournament on a Fri evening, I"d be interested in players" views to what they would like to see replace it and 2 what would attract them to attend on a Fri evening - of course I"m not adverse to simply tagging onto something that the venue will be running - means I could play and have a "quiet one"!
My preference for the Friday night would be something like a £30-£40 freezeout. APAT bounties on well known players selected pre tournament. Added value of a London side event seat + Coral bits for the winner. Hoodies for all at the final table. Ranking points included.
Friday nights (IMO) should be more about the social, fun, side of an APAT event...a mini-ME is, erm, waaay too serious.... :)
I"m not sure any APAT tournament is that serious anyway is it :)
Just think a fun £30 freeze with some APAT"ized bits would go over well.
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A Blind Mans Bluff tournament!
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Sorry if this has been covered before, but I can"t find it anywhere.
Please could you tell me what the side event will be for the Luton champs in Sep. Thanks
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Sorry if this has been covered before, but I can"t find it anywhere.
Please could you tell me what the side event will be for the Luton champs in Sep. Thanks
Don"t think it"s been announced yet...my bet is that it will be PLO though.
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OK Thanks.
Do you have any rough idea of when it will be announced?
Obviously it helps if booking hotel as cheaper in advance. Thanks.
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OK Thanks.
Do you have any rough idea of when it will be announced?
Obviously it helps if booking hotel as cheaper in advance. Thanks.
Probably not until after Bristol would be my guess.
Tom's away at the moment but you could PM him and I"m sure he"ll get back to you as soon as possible.
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Does anyone know what time the main event next Saturday will finish for the day?
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Does anyone know what time the main event next Saturday will finish for the day?
It"s usually around the 1 - 2 am area....if that"s any help.
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Do we have a rough guide to what we will see in the WCOAP this year?
I played most of the events last year, and just a couple of points id like to raise.
1) Start Times - could they be earlier? ie 12am, this gives an extra 2 hrs for people to bust and then jump into the later game that evening.
2) 3 Day 1 flights - with scheduling this should also allow those that wanna play PLO and PLO8 to still be able to play the Main, on which ever day it doesnt clash
3) OFC - Yes i go on about it, but after getting back from Vegas its amazing to see how the game is taking off. Its a great game, easy to run and i think would be a huge success
4) Mix Max Tournament. Even if played as a 1 day event, you could run it as 9/10 handed until 36 left, 6 handed until 8 left and then HU there on in.
5) Other mixed games....we have the NLH/PLO ROE, why not try a PLO8/Stud8 or something similar....??
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Do we have a rough guide to what we will see in the WCOAP this year?
I played most of the events last year, and just a couple of points id like to raise.
1) Start Times - could they be earlier? ie 12am, this gives an extra 2 hrs for people to bust and then jump into the later game that evening.
2) 3 Day 1 flights - with scheduling this should also allow those that wanna play PLO and PLO8 to still be able to play the Main, on which ever day it doesnt clash
3) OFC - Yes i go on about it, but after getting back from Vegas its amazing to see how the game is taking off. Its a great game, easy to run and i think would be a huge success
4) Mix Max Tournament. Even if played as a 1 day event, you could run it as 9/10 handed until 36 left, 6 handed until 8 left and then HU there on in.
5) Other mixed games....we have the NLH/PLO ROE, why not try a PLO8/Stud8 or something similar....??
All of this.
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Other mixed games....we have the NLH/PLO ROE, why not try a PLO8/Stud8 or something similar....??
That would be nice.
Triple Stud - ie Stud, Stud Hi-Lo & Razz.
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Other mixed games....we have the NLH/PLO ROE, why not try a PLO8/Stud8 or something similar....??
That would be nice.
Triple Stud - ie Stud, Stud Hi-Lo & Razz.
Dribbbbleeeee
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Would love to see Mix Max and also triple stud, would prefer triple stud to the regular stud event
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Does anyone know what time the main event next Saturday will finish for the day?
For Bristol we will stop at 00:30 after Level 12 (including 2 x 15 min and 1 x 30 min dinner break) - which will allow a little time for socialising! - to return for Day 2 on Sunday starting earlier than normal at 12:00
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Does anyone know what time the main event next Saturday will finish for the day?
For Bristol we will stop at 00:30 after Level 12 (including 2 x 15 min and 1 x 30 min dinner break) - which will allow a little time for socialising! - to return for Day 2 on Sunday starting earlier than normal at 12:00
Will this be adopted for the rest of the season? (hope so)
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Will this be adopted for the rest of the season? (hope so)
+1 from me too.
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Will this be adopted for the rest of the season? (hope so)
+1 from me too.
That"s the plan guys - just need to see how Bristol goes first before confirming it
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A slight amendment to Bristol timings as we are stopping after Level 11 tonight (around midnight) which allowing for bagging up etc will be around 00:15 - coming back for Day 2 start at 12:00 tomorrow.
For English APC in Luton we are looking at:
Fri 5th Sep:
19:30 venue event: £40 + £5 8k stack, one re-buy or add-on £20 for 8k (reg before 19:30 get 2k bonus), late reg until 21:45, 1 re-entry allowed - £5000 GTD
21:00 venue event on demand: Exclusive APAT-only cash table for Main/Side Event players*
Sat 6th Sep:
14:30-00:30 Main Event: APAT English Amateur Poker Championship (NLHE) (Day 1) £75 + £7.50 (max 200)
19:00- APAT English NLHE Side Event £25 + £5 (8k stack, 20 min clock)
21:00 venue event on demand: Exclusive APAT-only cash table for Main/Side Event players*
Sun 7th Sep:
12:00- Main Event: APAT English Amateur Poker Championship (Day 2)
13:00- APAT English PLO Side Event £25 + £5 (15k stack, 30 min clock)
15:30 venue event on demand: Exclusive APAT-only cash table For Main/Side Event players*
*player choice of 50p/£1 or £1/£1 NLHE 10% capped £5, or £1/£2 NLHE or higher 5% capped £5
Breaks for Main Event planned after L3 (10 mins), L6 (40 mins), L9 (10 mins), L12 end of play Day 1 00:30 (length of 1st and 2nd breaks may be swopped around depending on venue)
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hello guys all right? I"m looking forward to April for coming to London to play the wcoap I would ask if it is possible to enter a tournament in the schedule of 2-7 no limit or 2-7 triple draw to make these wcoap in effect as of the WSOP
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Hopefully I can get to this(if wor lasses let"s me) lol 7s 5d
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Player Briefing for Season 8 Leg 2 English Amateur Poker Championship, in Grosvenor G Casino, Luton 6th-7th Sept 2014 can be found HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=15995.0)
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A reminder that the Season 8 Leg 2 English Amateur Poker Championship will take place Sat 6th and Sun 7th September at Grosvenor G Casino, Luton - Player Breifing with full details can be found HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=15995.0)
Also a reminder that members will receive free hot/soft drinks, and a FREE BUFFET will be provided for Main Event players after L3 on Saturday - a bit early around 16:30, so don"t have too much to eat for lunch!
Finally, the English Online Amateur Poker Championship will take place on APAT/Coral on Sun 14th Sept at 6pm - download the software now from HERE (http://www.apat.com/online/) to take part - this one aptly named for someone like Ger Smyth or John Murray (he"s older than you think!) to take down.....
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Hi guys. So I"ve read all the season 8 threads for the live tour and online legs, including info on the main event blind structures and leaderboard prizes. I"m a bit of a nerd when it comes to studying the offerings of the various uk tours and I have to say that I am very very impressed with your schedule. Great spread of events at affordable prices! You have a knack of listening to the people that are going to be playing these events and make good adjustments.
I am looking to play Luton next month, all of WCOAP and all forthcoming online legs in an attempt to win the Vegas trip. Can you give a breakdown of what the trip comprises? Also, any ideas when WCOAP schedule will be released?
PS I echo the request of a previous poster to include in WCOAP a 2/7 Triple Draw event, or even Badugi! The 10-game bracelet event this year was heaps more fun than the 8-game because of these games. Also, it"s easier to train dealers in these games compared to more complicated hi-low variants...
Again, keep up the good work!!
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Hi guys. So I"ve read all the season 8 threads for the live tour and online legs, including info on the main event blind structures and leaderboard prizes. I"m a bit of a nerd when it comes to studying the offerings of the various uk tours and I have to say that I am very very impressed with your schedule. Great spread of events at affordable prices! You have a knack of listening to the people that are going to be playing these events and make good adjustments.
I am looking to play Luton next month, all of WCOAP and all forthcoming online legs in an attempt to win the Vegas trip. Can you give a breakdown of what the trip comprises? Also, any ideas when WCOAP schedule will be released?
PS I echo the request of a previous poster to include in WCOAP a 2/7 Triple Draw event, or even Badugi! The 10-game bracelet event this year was heaps more fun than the 8-game because of these games. Also, it"s easier to train dealers in these games compared to more complicated hi-low variants...
Again, keep up the good work!!
Hi Haresh, thanks for your comments. The Las Vegas trip hasn"t yet been confirmed, but going on previous years, it would be early Jun, Wed to Wed with return flights from Manchester and shared twin-room accommodation - you would be able to pay extra to bring someone along with you to share the room - and it has also had entry to an exclusive freeroll where the winners gain a seat in a WSOP bracelet event - but as said, nothing confirmed for 2015 yet and I don"t expect to confirm the exact dates and details until early 2015.
Regarding the WCOAP schedule, I"ve just started putting this together and will be fine-tuning it over the weekend before getting feedback from APAT Management and then looking to put a draft on the forum for member feedback in September - with a view to finalising all with Aspers London asap and then officially publishing hopefully by end Oct.
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I"ve not played an APAT event since the team champs at Luton last year.
Can"t wait to play all of the events at Luton and put some dead money in the prize pool.
Looking forward to seeing some faces.
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I have not played in an APAT event since season 2 but have decided to go for Luton.
Irish gate - I know none of you wish to continue the discussion but I don"t mind who I offend. I think the assumption that PLO is popular in Ireland is probably based upon the widespread belief in the UK that Ireland is basically like some backward, isolated community in Britain 50 years ago, but more ****.
I hate Omaha, I am no good at it. However the last time I played a round of PLO8 in a dealers choice game I won a load of dosh. I still don"t know why. It may have just been my turn as I have always lost whenever I played before, is that how poker works? I am tempted to go remembering that last experience but it would be good to know there would be either NLHE OR PLHE cash or tournaments for those of us who have sweetened the pot with dead money in the main event. I certainly don"t want to buy a plane ticket and hotel rooms to end up playing an hour of poker and then have to watch.
Welsh gate - humiliating that the Welsh leg will not be held in Wales, however I would like to correct all those that think the Brizzle is in England. It bearly counts, they speak even funnier than they do in South Wales. It seems only fair that the welsh should have to pay a toll for crossing the river to play in their own event, is there a way we can make them play double?
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I have not played in an APAT event since season 2 but have decided to go for Luton.
Irish gate - I know none of you wish to continue the discussion but I don"t mind who I offend. I think the assumption that PLO is popular in Ireland is probably based upon the widespread belief in the UK that Ireland is basically like some backward, isolated community in Britain 50 years ago, but more ****.
I hate Omaha, I am no good at it. However the last time I played a round of PLO8 in a dealers choice game I won a load of dosh. I still don"t know why. It may have just been my turn as I have always lost whenever I played before, is that how poker works? I am tempted to go remembering that last experience but it would be good to know there would be either NLHE OR PLHE cash or tournaments for those of us who have sweetened the pot with dead money in the main event. I certainly don"t want to buy a plane ticket and hotel rooms to end up playing an hour of poker and then have to watch.
Welsh gate - humiliating that the Welsh leg will not be held in Wales, however I would like to correct all those that think the Brizzle is in England. It bearly counts, they speak even funnier than they do in South Wales. It seems only fair that the welsh should have to pay a toll for crossing the river to play in their own event, is there a way we can make them play double?
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Hi Paul, I can confirm that there will be NLH Side and NLH Cash Games over the weekend in Ireland.
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I can confirm that the guidance given HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=16475.msg234715#msg234715) will be effective from Season 8 English APC in Luton onwards.
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Really looking forward to Luton. I"ve managed to get together some friends from Swansea University Poker Society"s alumni, most of whom have never played an APAT event. Can"t wait til the cards are in the air!
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Yay looking forward to Luton, even though I missed the holding tank deposit doh doh doh should be good fun and really looking forward to the team game in November. Sorry to say I cant do the splits at the minute :( so will have to find a new party trick in case I get short stacked
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You releasing any more Eventbrite seats for Luton? Reserved for a couple of friends ages ago but forgot to reserve seats for me and the mrs! If not are you guaranteeing all alts will be seated?
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You releasing any more Eventbrite seats for Luton? Reserved for a couple of friends ages ago but forgot to reserve seats for me and the mrs! If not are you guaranteeing all alts will be seated?
There are still seats there at the moment I think. I reserved one this morning.
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You releasing any more Eventbrite seats for Luton? Reserved for a couple of friends ages ago but forgot to reserve seats for me and the mrs! If not are you guaranteeing all alts will be seated?
Hi Kev, yes we have increased the Eventbrite seat capacity so you should be able to use it now.
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Ty for the replies, will get them done later ;D
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A few questions. I"m a Luton regular but never played an APAT event before. If I reserve a seat for the main event at £5 is this part of the £75+7.50 buy in or is it an addition and lost, therefore the buy in will cost £87.50?
If I turn up on the day without reserving a seat how many seats are available on the day? If it looks like I won"t get a seat I may skip the main event and just do the Omaha which looks great although a little on the cheap side.
I am registered as APAT although have never played an APAT event, so I presume my G Casino membership card is enough for I.D. Is this correct?
Cheers.
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A few questions. I"m a Luton regular but never played an APAT event before. If I reserve a seat for the main event at £5 is this part of the £75+7.50 buy in or is it an addition and lost, therefore the buy in will cost £87.50?
The £5 is in addition to the buy-in+fee
If I turn up on the day without reserving a seat how many seats are available on the day? If it looks like I won"t get a seat I may skip the main event and just do the Omaha which looks great although a little on the cheap side.
We won"t know the number of seats as these will depend on how many turn up (who have prepaid & registered) and how many bust-outs there are.
Alternates will be seated on a first-come, first-served basis. I"d get there early...there are usually a number who get in as alternates.
I am registered as APAT although have never played an APAT event, so I presume my G Casino membership card is enough for I.D. Is this correct?
Yep, you"re good.
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A few questions. I"m a Luton regular but never played an APAT event before. If I reserve a seat for the main event at £5 is this part of the £75+7.50 buy in or is it an addition and lost, therefore the buy in will cost £87.50?
The £5 is in addition to the buy-in+fee
If I turn up on the day without reserving a seat how many seats are available on the day? If it looks like I won"t get a seat I may skip the main event and just do the Omaha which looks great although a little on the cheap side.
We won"t know the number of seats as these will depend on how many turn up (who have prepaid & registered) and how many bust-outs there are.
Alternates will be seated on a first-come, first-served basis. I"d get there early...there are usually a number who get in as alternates.
I am registered as APAT although have never played an APAT event, so I presume my G Casino membership card is enough for I.D. Is this correct?
Yep, you"re good.
Thanks for the info.
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Paulie - I can"t find the link for the Eventbrite for the OHL. I know I"m being an idiot, but can you post here?
Thanks!
See you on Saturday!
Joe
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OHL?
Anyway...http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/o/amateur-poker-association-amp-tour-4053909103
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Paulie - I can"t find the link for the Eventbrite for the OHL. I know I"m being an idiot, but can you post here?
Thanks!
See you on Saturday!
Joe
Joe, presuming OHL = the Omaha High Low on Sunday in Luton, there is no facility to reserve a seat for side events - just the Main Event via Eventbrite.
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OK. Thanks!
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Hi guys
Are we having a separate thread for this? There are a few comments on the S8 thread but Bristol had its own thread. There is the player briefing but we can"t comment there!
I have a question, I think the brief says "smart casual"? Previous experience of Luton G says they are obsessive over footwear and only shoes are allowed, no trainers of any kind, converse etc. is that still the case? If so it would be well worth highlighting to anyone who hasn"t been
Hi JP, Player Briefing for Luton HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=15995.0) directs players to this Season 8 Discussion Thread to discuss Luton.
Within the Player Briefing it states "Smart Casual dress is required" - that I had confirmed by my poc in the Poker Room - but thank you for the heads up regarding footware and I"ll send them an email now just to ask/confirm - I"ll copy your post to this Discussion Thead (and the answer) - and update the Player Briefing if needed.
Cheers/Tom
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Hi guys
Are we having a separate thread for this? There are a few comments on the S8 thread but Bristol had its own thread. There is the player briefing but we can"t comment there!
I have a question, I think the brief says "smart casual"? Previous experience of Luton G says they are obsessive over footwear and only shoes are allowed, no trainers of any kind, converse etc. is that still the case? If so it would be well worth highlighting to anyone who hasn"t been
Hi JP, Player Briefing for Luton HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=15995.0) directs players to this Season 8 Discussion Thread to discuss Luton.
Within the Player Briefing it states "Smart Casual dress is required" - that I had confirmed by my poc in the Poker Room - but thank you for the heads up regarding footware and I"ll send them an email now just to ask/confirm - I"ll copy your post to this Discussion Thead (and the answer) - and update the Player Briefing if needed.
Cheers/Tom
they also had a ban on hoodies at some point.... not sure if that"s still current.
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The dress code doesn"t seem to kick in until the Saturday evening from past experience... but even then a nod to the doorman that you are playing poker and have been there the whole day got me ushered in for the last few visits.
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Just had it confirmed that "smart casual" is the dress code - no sports gear, including jogging bottoms, nor shorts of any kind allowed (and I wouldn"t include shorts in the definition of smart casual anyway) - trainers worn as part of "smart casual" are absolutely fine.
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Does anybody need a lift to Luton...Or will anybody need a lift home....?
I will be travelling by car on Saturday morning from Liverpool and I will be returning at some point on Sunday, depending on making Day 2 or what else I"m playing on the Sunday. It does allow for any passenger wishing to have a lift home to the Liverpool area to have a drink on the Sunday..
Just adding for a reasonable/fair donation for the petrol.
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The latest list of players attending Luton (English APC) 6-7 Sep can be seen here http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=15995.0
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I can"t see a holding tank on Coral"s for this w/e @ Luton has that closed now?
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I can"t see a holding tank on Coral"s for this w/e @ Luton has that closed now?
Yep, that closed a couple of weeks ago as usual.
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I can"t see a holding tank on Coral"s for this w/e @ Luton has that closed now?
Yep, that closed a couple of weeks ago as usual.
Thanks for the reply Paulie, do you or anyone else know if it"s possible for me to convert the satellite seat I won this evening into a seat for Saturday?
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I can"t see a holding tank on Coral"s for this w/e @ Luton has that closed now?
Yep, that closed a couple of weeks ago as usual.
Thanks for the reply Paulie, do you or anyone else know if it"s possible for me to convert the satellite seat I won this evening into a seat for Saturday?
Offhand, I doubt it at this late stage...I"m unsure of numbers at this point but I think Luton was full.
So unless the satellite was specifically for Luton there wouldn"t be room.
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I can"t see a holding tank on Coral"s for this w/e @ Luton has that closed now?
Yep, that closed a couple of weeks ago as usual.
Thanks for the reply Paulie, do you or anyone else know if it"s possible for me to convert the satellite seat I won this evening into a seat for Saturday?
Hi David, yep I can sort that for you no problem - just please CONFIRM for def via here (and note you will be registered into the event by me and your chips will be put into play at the start - and you will be blinded out if not present).
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Thank you Tom, I"m very grateful for that.
I hereby confirm that I am happy to be blinded out whilst stuck in traffic on the M1 :)
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Hi, has this been sold out? I was looking at eventbrite and it is still showing availabilty?
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Hi, has this been sold out? I was looking at eventbrite and it is still showing availabilty?
Eventbrite closes at 20:00 tonight.
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Is there anywhere to view updated ranking points for S8?
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Is there anywhere to view updated ranking points for S8?
Blatant "I"m top" brag...
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Is there anywhere to view updated ranking points for S8?
Blatant "I"m top" brag...
Haha not quite, just like to know who I"m chasing :D
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The Player Briefing for the Season 8 UK Amateur Poker Championship, being played 11/12 Oct 2014 at Grosvenor Westgate, Leeds, can be viewed HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=17013.0) - please us "this" thread for comments, questions etc.
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Is there anywhere to view updated ranking points for S8?
Blatant "I"m top" brag...
Haha not quite, just like to know who I"m chasing :D
That"s me. Hoping to get them up by the end of the weekend.
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bear with me if this is a stupid question, as its my first time trying this buy in route. Just paid in to the holding tank on Coral. Does that sort me out a seat for the Leeds tourney of Oct 11th/Oct 12th
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bear with me if this is a stupid question, as its my first time trying this buy in route. Just paid in to the holding tank on Coral. Does that sort me out a seat for the Leeds tourney of Oct 11th/Oct 12th
It does indeed Carl - just turn up on the day - we will pay you in, in advance, and you chips will go into play at the start of the tournament and you will be blinded off - so if you don"t turn up, you are still in the event.
See you there.
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Thanks Tom
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good luck everyone playing leeds. Unfortunately cant make it due to a charity poker event im holding on the Saturday, but have fun and see peeps in Manchester. weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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I"m not sure how to buy in to the Leeds tournament...
I"m aware there was a holding tank on coral poker? But is it still open? Or is there another way to buy in?
Cheers Mike.
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I"m not sure how to buy in to the Leeds tournament...
I"m aware there was a holding tank on coral poker? But is it still open? Or is there another way to buy in?
Cheers Mike.
The Eventbrite seat reservation system is probably your best option right now. I think the holding tank is closed after last weekend.
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=17013.0
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Wcoap schedule???
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Wcoap schedule???
See here - http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=17012.0
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The Eventbrite seat reservation system is probably your best option right now. I think the holding tank is closed after last weekend.
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=17013.0
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Im under the impression that if i reserve a seat through eventbrite i will have to register at the casino before the tournament starts at 2:30? Could i do this on the Friday evening as i have prior arrangements up until around 2pm Saturday?
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Im under the impression that if i reserve a seat through eventbrite i will have to register at the casino before the tournament starts at 2:30? Could i do this on the Friday evening as i have prior arrangements up until around 2pm Saturday?
I"m not sure to be honest...It depends on when the casino get the list from Tom and whether the casino will let you.
However, if you can make it before the start you should be fine.
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Is there anywhere to view updated ranking points for S8?
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Is there anywhere to view updated ranking points for S8?
Here: http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=17143
If anyone is listed twice let me know and I"ll merge the scores (a few people have played 2 or 3 events under different versions of their name, that isn"t always easy to spot when you"ve 100s of names).
Any other errors, let me know too :)
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Sorry to be a pain (again) but I"ve just won a seat in tonight"s satellite, could PaulieD or Tom organise it so I can use it to play Leeds this weekend?
Happy to be blinded away if I"m late.
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Sorry to be a pain (again) but I"ve just won a seat in tonight"s satellite, could PaulieD or Tom organise it so I can use it to play Leeds this weekend?
Happy to be blinded away if I"m late.
Tom's in charge of the list but I"ve PM"d him and asked him to reply.
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Sorry to be a pain (again) but I"ve just won a seat in tonight"s satellite, could PaulieD or Tom organise it so I can use it to play Leeds this weekend?
Happy to be blinded away if I"m late.
That"s done David.
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Sorry to be a pain (again) but I"ve just won a seat in tonight"s satellite, could PaulieD or Tom organise it so I can use it to play Leeds this weekend?
Happy to be blinded away if I"m late.
Tom's in charge of the list but I"ve PM"d him and asked him to reply.
Sorry to be a pain (again) but I"ve just won a seat in tonight"s satellite, could PaulieD or Tom organise it so I can use it to play Leeds this weekend?
Happy to be blinded away if I"m late.
That"s done David.
Thank you both, see you tomorrow!
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How do you use a token won on Coral poker site for the Leeds game on Saturday 11th October. Can not locate the seat token on Coral and customer support not responding?
I see above posting a similar request, does Paulie D or Tom sort this out?
Thanks
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Tom tells me that he"s aware of your win.
If you turn up before the start time you"re fine.
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Thanks for the reply Paulie, see you in Leeds :)
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How many reg"d for tomorrow?
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Notes
UK Team Championship is the ONLY Open event that does count towards rankings
Does this apply to last nights online event....?
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Matt/Tom,
Guys when will the seat reservations be available for Coventry next month? I"ve booked my hotel and was wanting to book 3/4 seats.
Cheers Guys
Dave G
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Matt/Tom,
Guys when will the seat reservations be available for Coventry next month? I"ve booked my hotel and was wanting to book 3/4 seats.
Cheers Guys
Dave G
Later today.
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Noticed WCOAP booking is now available on eventbrite, but Edinburgh leg( which happens before) is not. Any idea when booking will be available for Edinburgh chaps?
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Noticed WCOAP booking is now available on eventbrite, but Edinburgh leg( which happens before) is not. Any idea when booking will be available for Edinburgh chaps?
Def this week.
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Noticed WCOAP booking is now available on eventbrite, but Edinburgh leg( which happens before) is not. Any idea when booking will be available for Edinburgh chaps?
Def this week.
Thanks Tom.