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Title: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: s4ooter on November 17, 2014, 01:29:45 AM
Hey Guys,

Im sure everyone that frequents here, knows who i am (or at least has had to listen to me at a table or two!) but i shall do the necessaries.

My name is Dann Williams. :)

Ive had my "breakout" moment in 2014, winning the Titan for just shy of 6k, of which i funded an awesome Vegas trip and have been playing poker for a few years now, and feel i have a solid grip of the game albeit known for my tendencies of FPS now and again.

Life has thrown me a few curveballs but i am lucky now to be in a position in which i am able to focus on poker alot more in 2015 than before.  My long term GF has left me, and instead of wallow in self pity, i would like to use the free time now to actually give myself a good chance at making some decent money in the game of poker in 2015.

I am in talks with a coach that my friend uses, which i shall be purchasing a ongoing poker coaching from for 2015 to help fix the leaks in my game and move forward.  My friend has used him for the last few months and has gonna from a winning social player, to having a huge year.  I shall be funding this myself, and thats kind of the reason for my post here.

I am also lucky enough to have a great group of poker friends that i can lend knowledge from, you all know most of them as they play the APAT circuit with me, Dave Howard, Mike Perry, Dwayne and Chris Webber to name a few.

I am looking for a 2015 bankroll, starting at a minimum of $2000, and shall be selling the roll in shares of $100 (20 shares total mimimum) obviously if there is lots of interest then the starting roll shall be larger.

In regards to payouts for investors, i suggest the following setup.

Roll $2000 to $5000, no payouts.
Roll $5000+, payouts monthly keeping roll at $5000

Games allowed during stake
Roll under $2k - Games up to, and including, $27 f/o, $8 rebuys - ave buyin ~$15
Roll under $4k - Games up to, and including, $44 f/o, $11 rebuys - ave buyin ~$30
Roll over $4k - Games up to, and including, $55 f/o, $22 cubed - ave buyin ~$40

I am also allowed to play small sats for larger events, $109 f/os, Sunday Majors etc, but can only be played if sattied into, and i will also add MTTSngs to bolster the schedule.

This may get no interest, or some may just want a punt, but i am serious as making 2015 a serious year on the felt.

Sites the roll will be spread over will be Mainly Pokerstars, Full Tilt and possibly a small amount on soft euro sites (Sky for example)

Anyway, thanks for reading, this shall be cross posted on GNF as well, and i wish us all the best in 2015.

Interest Shown/Reserves:

GNF
GForce - $100
GMF - $?
Fowler - $?
TFeilding - $100
JP - $100
Swine - $100
WRRU - $100
Feziojnr - $100
Raiser - $200

APAT
Dodgyend - $200
Myles - $100
RoyalPokerFlush - $200
Fatpants - $100
Zozzy - $200
Sharplea - $100
Redsimon - $100
Poker Jason - $100

Total so far: $1900
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: DodgyEnd (Tom APAT.be) on November 17, 2014, 06:46:14 AM
2 shares for me please
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: mylesfdo on November 17, 2014, 08:47:53 AM
1 pls

Im assuming that no live play is included/allowed?
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: Chipaccrual on November 17, 2014, 09:45:42 AM
Respect to the willingness of Tom and Myles in supporting this, but isn"t it missing one vital piece of information ?

What"s the split ?

Also, not convinced name dropping Dave and Chris is +ev for your proposal  ;)

;D
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: s4ooter on November 17, 2014, 10:24:55 AM
Hey Leigh.

The split is per share. So I shall be having shares of my own. There is not mark up/stake back

If I have 10 shares of 20 sold them I have 50% etc
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: Chipaccrual on November 17, 2014, 10:29:10 AM

Hey Leigh.

The split is per share. So I shall be having shares of my own. There is not mark up/stake back

If I have 10 shares of 20 sold them I have 50% etc


That makes sense, which leads on to my next question then.

How many shares are you planning on having yourself ?
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: s4ooter on November 17, 2014, 11:05:17 AM
Between 5-8 at the mo...I would normally have minimum half, but I think spending the extra on the coaching is +EV for anyone that has a piece
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: Chipaccrual on November 17, 2014, 11:43:15 AM

Between 5-8 at the mo...I would normally have minimum half, but I think spending the extra on the coaching is +EV for anyone that has a piece


Thanks Dann
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: kevod85 on November 17, 2014, 12:03:39 PM

Between 5-8 at the mo...I would normally have minimum half, but I think spending the extra on the coaching is +EV for anyone that has a piece


Im trying to write something here without coming across as a c**k but it aint working lol. Basically i could be interested in 1 or 2 shares but think its important you hold 50% of yourself in this kind of deal. Can talk more about it in Manc if you like? Putting things down in writing isn"t my strong point
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: dwh103 on November 17, 2014, 12:41:28 PM

Respect to the willingness of Tom and Myles in supporting this, but isn"t it missing one vital piece of information ?

What"s the split ?

Also, not convinced name dropping Dave and Chris is +ev for your proposal  ;)

;D


Goddammit Leigh, leaving Perry off that list is only going to fuel the beast.

Also Dann, what"s the late Staker entry, exit and (hopefully not) reload strategy? I presume you"ll adjust the %s accordingly?

Do you plan on playing any games "off stake" on the same accounts?

Any volume plans? Think the buy in limits are a little agg
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: PokerRoyalFlush9 on November 17, 2014, 17:41:34 PM
I will take 2 for now
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: fatpants on November 17, 2014, 21:52:40 PM
1 plz!  Glgl
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: AAroddersAA on November 17, 2014, 22:06:20 PM
Good luck with this Dann, maybe interested, a couple of questions sorry if they repeat what others have already said but I just want to ensure I have a full understanding of what I might be buying into.

1. What tournaments are you targeting. It seems that the buying levels are a bit high for the proposed bankroll, with an average of about 150 buyins at each level, if we are talking about the large fields on a site like Pokerstars being the main tournaments. 100 Buyin downswing"s are an every day occurrence in these. What happens if the roll drops below $1000 for example? Are we saying that you would still be including $27 f/o at that point. If so, that"s fine, but as Dave said we need to know the reload strategy if that is the case.

2. What is the expected weekly volume and what would a typical schedule be? Don"t need to be exact here but are there any games you would be trying to play each week? How many tables will you be playing?

3. Are there any online graphs or stats we should look at for the results of the games you will be playing?
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: Zozzy on November 17, 2014, 22:45:03 PM
I will have 2 shares. I don"t know exactly what that means  :) but you come across as a very honest and genuine person Dann who has a serious passion for poker, as I do.
You also take time to keep your stakers informed and up to date. Best of luck.
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: s4ooter on November 17, 2014, 23:21:20 PM
At work on phone at mo but all valid questions

Will answer in detail when I get back home later
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: MintTrav on November 18, 2014, 00:02:14 AM
Good luck with the stake Dann. I have a question, which I hope no-one has asked already.

Who do you think will win The X-Factor? Obviously, it"s all set up for Andrea to win, but I find him quite annoying, so I"d prefer if it was Fleur myself. The minx.
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: s4ooter on November 18, 2014, 00:55:17 AM
Im going to make an attempt to answer all questions, as best i can, from both APAT and here.  If i miss anything, i do apologise.

Speadsheets/Updates:

I shall reset my Sharkscopes, and keep an utd schedule list on excel which can be requested at anytime.

Bigger Games Outside Roll:

I shall play no games outside the BAP on site.  The ONLY exception would be live sats, but i would inform all backers of when i am playing them for clarity.  Obv if the team want a % of this from the roll, this is fine.  They would only be UKIPT (on stars) and Sky Poker Events (on Sky, if we run with this site)

Investment Guidelines:

Stake will start on a pre determined date, and no investment will be there after.  Sometime in Jan

Tournaments:

Although i have stated MTTs up to $27 shall be included, i will be looking to keep my ABI as low as possible.  This means that the roll will also include games such as 2/180s and 4/180s helping with volume, low abi and keeping the roll going.  As for weekly volume, each week will be different due to Real Life, but id be disappointed not to put in 2/3 decent schedules a week.  Sometimes a daytime schedule, othertimes evenings, and the odd all dayer.
As for the mention of sats, i shall be looking to target the low buyin sats, for bigger events ($55s to $215s) and the occasional Step (obviously starting at the lowest levels)

X Factor:
I agree with you about the Italian Yeti, however i have to admit i would like to see Stevi win the show....merely as he is as musical as a chocolate covered peanut, and kinda proves how pants the show has become.  Vocally i actually think Lauren is probably the most talented, then Fleur.

I would also like to add that i would request that all backers are added to a private Skype Group, for communication purposes, and that all backers have my personal phone number and, in return, i have theres.

Interest Shown/Reserves:

GNF
GForce - $?
GMF - $?
TFeilding - $100
JP - $100
Swine - $100
WRRU - $100
Feziojnr - $100

APAT
Dodgyend - $200
Myles - $100
RoyalPokerFlush - $200
Fatpants - $100
Zozzy - $200

Total so far: $1300
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: Zozzy on November 18, 2014, 21:35:03 PM
I am very happy to be part of this, as long as you promise that there will be no more mention of X factor on this thread  :D and also any related drivel like Jungle Get Me Out of Here  and Big Brother  ;D
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: poker_jason on November 19, 2014, 21:44:51 PM
Hi Dann,

Provisionally 1 share - discuss in Manc.

Jason.
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: KarmaDope on November 20, 2014, 17:09:15 PM
Same as Jason plz Dann - provisionally one share but cant 100% commit yet - will explain all in Manc.
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: redsimon on November 20, 2014, 18:37:17 PM
provisionally book me 1 share Dann.



Snoopy :)
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: s4ooter on December 07, 2014, 01:15:10 AM
Just for some clarity at where we are at the moment:


So far i have $1900 invested from stakers (19 shares of $100 each) and my original plan was to have $500 myself.  The reason for it being less than 50% was due to the fact that i am also going to be paying roughly $1k for a years worth of coaching from one of the best Low-Mid stake online coaches.

I didnt expect to get so much interest, therefore my OP was intended for me to have $500 and have sold another $1500 to make a $2000 total.  I purposely didnt list how much i was having, as i just wanted to gauge interest....which has been a lot bigger than i thought.

The beauty of the long term deal, is that even if my % is less than 50%, i have to focus on a years grind and strong ROI, to make sure im making good $$ out of it too.  If anything i feel it makes me more focused.....its each to there own if they wanna invest.  But i do feel that my spending $1k on coaching is better value for all, than me adding another 1k to the roll itself as the coaching should add a good few %s on my ROI (which over 30k games which i hope to play in the year with an ABI of say $5 is a lot of $$$) as an example - if it adds 1% to my expected ROI without coaching and my ABI is just $5 then its an extra $1500 profit.  Now thats going to the investors, whilst i pay for the coaching myself

If the roll is lost i would employ a reload strategy in which i would ask investors to RL on % held (with make up obv) and then sell off the %s that people chose not to reload (they can sell there make up if they choose)

Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: s4ooter on December 07, 2014, 01:47:38 AM
The reload is optional
Not mandatory
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: PokerRoyalFlush9 on December 30, 2014, 20:58:43 PM
When do you need the money to start this?
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: Zozzy on January 04, 2015, 18:00:27 PM
Any update on this Dann ?
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: PokerRoyalFlush9 on January 04, 2015, 18:03:39 PM

Any update on this Dann ?


I understand this will be a delayed start Dann abit manic at the minute, will let him say if he wants
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: s4ooter on January 06, 2015, 00:29:48 AM
Hey Guys,

Sorry for delay, sadly my mum has been in hospital all xmas, and its all a bit manic this end.  So as it stands i wont have time just this second but will keep you all updated.

Thanks for your patience in this matter
Title: Re: Dann Williams - 2015 Online Roll
Post by: s4ooter on January 27, 2015, 02:01:31 AM
Hey Guys,  sorry for the gaps in posting, its been slighlty more than hectic my end....

This is still going to happen, i am probably gonna prospone until after the WCOAP, as mother still isnt great, im in the middle of moving jobs and i obviously only wanna play with 100% focus and at this point in time i dont think i would.

Im also knocking the coaching on the head, so will have more $$$ myself in the BR, and making the BR bigger therefore more games, higher ABI and hopefully more return :)

This may see new stakers join too as i know that a fair few were put off by the coaching side.

Hope you are all well, and again i thank you for your patience with my RL all being crazy!!

See some of you in Cov no doubt :)