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Title: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 03, 2007, 21:01:48 PM
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: technolog on August 03, 2007, 21:11:55 PM
Splendid! I presume the shift from PokerStars to Blue Square (whether temporary or not) was the cause of the contractual wrangling?
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: duncthehat on August 03, 2007, 21:14:07 PM
Nice one Des.

See you all on Blue square now how much have i got in my Blue Sq account???
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 03, 2007, 21:17:43 PM

Splendid! I presume the shift from PokerStars to Blue Square (whether temporary or not) was the cause of the contractual wrangling?


PokerStars was a superb and willing sponsor, however APAT's forte is live tournament play and partnering with the Rank Group (Blue Square, Grosvenor, Mecca) gives APAT members access to the most premium suite of cardrooms in Europe. 

Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: RioRodent on August 03, 2007, 21:20:01 PM
Des,

I am on holiday next week, with no internet access, will 3rd party registration be available ie. Someone else pay may reg on line?

Thanks,
Alan
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 03, 2007, 21:22:01 PM

Des,

I am on holiday next week, with no internet access, will 3rd party registration be available ie. Someone else pay may reg on line?

Thanks,
Alan


Absolutely Alan, if you have a friend or family member who is willing to buy the seat on your behalf, then that is fine.  They will need to send an email to customer@apat.com stating that they bought the seat and want to transfer it to you.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: RioRodent on August 03, 2007, 21:30:07 PM


Des,

I am on holiday next week, with no internet access, will 3rd party registration be available ie. Someone else pay may reg on line?

Thanks,
Alan


Absolutely Alan, if you have a friend or family member who is willing to buy the seat on your behalf, then that is fine.  They will need to send an email to customer@apat.com stating that they bought the seat and want to transfer it to you.


It will be someone who is also buying-in for himself... still OK, buying-in twice?
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 03, 2007, 21:43:27 PM



Des,

I am on holiday next week, with no internet access, will 3rd party registration be available ie. Someone else pay may reg on line?

Thanks,
Alan


Absolutely Alan, if you have a friend or family member who is willing to buy the seat on your behalf, then that is fine.  They will need to send an email to customer@apat.com stating that they bought the seat and want to transfer it to you.


It will be someone who is also buying-in for himself... still OK, buying-in twice?


Yes, providing they come through customer@apat.com to confirm the transfer.  They will have to go through the process twice as it will only be possible to buy one ticket at a time, but that should be fine as there will be a lot of seats available.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: codface on August 03, 2007, 21:58:22 PM
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Ironside on August 03, 2007, 22:16:13 PM
i am relying on the clickfest too

but as i am useless online i would struggle to quailfy online anyway

hoping there is still 250+ seats left
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: kinboshi on August 03, 2007, 22:24:27 PM

i am relying on the clickfest too

but as i am useless online i would struggle to quailfy online anyway

hoping there is still 250+ seats left


FYP
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Ironside on August 03, 2007, 23:03:18 PM


i am relying on the clickfest too

but as i am useless online i would struggle to quailfy online anyway

hoping there is still 250+ seats left


FYP


ok luton me and danny fish HU best of 5 games for £500
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: kinboshi on August 03, 2007, 23:06:44 PM



i am relying on the clickfest too

but as i am useless online i would struggle to quailfy online anyway

hoping there is still 250+ seats left


FYP


ok luton me and danny fish HU best of 5 games for £500


Out of my bankroll, sorry.  But I"ll play you for less.

Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Ironside on August 03, 2007, 23:08:28 PM
ok 5 HU matches played over 5 different versions of poker (you choose 3 i will choose 2) for a drink
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 03, 2007, 23:09:33 PM

ok 5 HU matches played over 5 different versions of poker (you choose 3 i will choose 2) for a drink


Drink...I"ll get "me" coat.......
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: kinboshi on August 03, 2007, 23:11:17 PM

ok 5 HU matches played over 5 different versions of poker (you choose 3 i will choose 2) for a drink


That"s more in my price range  :D

As long as they"re not limit games, that sounds fine with me.  What drink do you want?
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Jon MW on August 03, 2007, 23:25:25 PM

i am relying on the clickfest too

but as i am useless online i would struggle to quailfy online anyway

hoping there is still 250+ seats left


ditto - how many entries have previous qualifiers managed?
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: daviesjay on August 03, 2007, 23:38:12 PM
Des,

Am I right in assuming this is a first come first served click fest thing?

So best be there bang on time Wednesday then
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: dougal7878 on August 03, 2007, 23:48:37 PM
How many seats are to be allocated on the online tourney
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 03, 2007, 23:51:33 PM

Des,

Am I right in assuming this is a first come first served click fest thing?

So best be there bang on time Wednesday then


I would be on time, although I think given the late notice and bank holiday weekend, this event will not sell out as quickly as the others, if at all.

But best to be safe.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 03, 2007, 23:52:10 PM

How many seats are to be allocated on the online tourney


1 for every 8 runners.....
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: dougal7878 on August 03, 2007, 23:55:18 PM
I am gonna be soooo skint this month.....think i need to raid the babys piggy bank!
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: FlyingPig73 on August 04, 2007, 00:08:29 AM

I am gonna be soooo skint this month.....think i need to raid the babys piggy bank!


Been there done that.....

Anyone have any extensions or newbuild they want me to oversee as a foreigner??
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Jon MW on August 04, 2007, 00:14:41 AM


How many seats are to be allocated on the online tourney


1 for every 8 runners.....


and how many runners might be expected?
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 04, 2007, 00:18:18 AM



How many seats are to be allocated on the online tourney


1 for every 8 runners.....


and how many runners might be expected?


Absolutely no idea.  It should be 200+, but given the delays, I think between 50 and 100.  However, as I said, it"s piece of string territory.

Email will be sent to the database shortly, but this is happening at least two weeks later than I would like.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: kinboshi on August 04, 2007, 00:28:42 AM
You"ll need everyone"s new aliases for Bluesq as well - actually I guess you only need that for people who win?

Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Ironside on August 04, 2007, 00:30:29 AM


ok 5 HU matches played over 5 different versions of poker (you choose 3 i will choose 2) for a drink


That"s more in my price range  :D

As long as they"re not limit games, that sounds fine with me.  What drink do you want?


barrel of baileys?

you pick 3 games then i will pick mine choice of type of betting is upto the picker
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Donkbox on August 04, 2007, 00:50:21 AM



ok 5 HU matches played over 5 different versions of poker (you choose 3 i will choose 2) for a drink


You"ve got to include one card vs two card hold"em Ironside  ;D
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: duke3016 on August 04, 2007, 01:51:06 AM
down loaded blue square -- registered -- eventually = question ? i tried all the diff variations of my handle -- but all the ones (Duke3016,duke3061,duke9999,the_duke (underscores not allowed) and they were all taken --- is there a common database for Ipoker that disallows you from using the same handle).. Just a question not really a problem but annoying
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 04, 2007, 01:54:57 AM
I"m not sure Gerard, but will ask the question.  Well done for being amongst the first to download their client!
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: duke3016 on August 04, 2007, 02:02:34 AM
not a bad site pretty quick -- and the SNG"s are profitable -- well beginners luck I suppose -- couldnt resist -- played two cashed in both -- so they complete the top line on the lappy -- 11 sites and counting -- I am not addicted honest
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Ironside on August 04, 2007, 02:46:05 AM
bluesq is on Ipoker so you wont be able to use your blonde username
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Bodddders on August 04, 2007, 03:24:51 AM

bluesq is on Ipoker so you wont be able to use your blonde username


I wondered why it wouldnt let me use Bodddders.

My handle on blue Sq. will therefore be "Honeycroft", the home of football.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Robbiebox on August 04, 2007, 09:22:43 AM

is there a common database for Ipoker that disallows you from using the same handle).. Just a question not really a problem but annoying


Yes im afraid so Duke.

The other annoying thing about ipoker is that you can only have one client open at a time. I have two regular games that clash on a Tuesday evening on Blue Sq and Noble. I end up toggling between the two depending how im doing by closing one client and then re-opening the other.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: nosey-p on August 04, 2007, 09:44:09 AM
Des, I am trying to find the tournament on BS but cannot find it, is it on yet?
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 04, 2007, 09:57:04 AM

Des, I am trying to find the tournament on BS but cannot find it, is it on yet?


I suspect it will not go on until Monday.  It has been briefed.  Expect some teething problems with the first online event, although we will work with Blue Square to keep those to a minimum.  I would get on there an hour or so before the satellite to ensure you get signed up successfully, etc.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Shogun112 on August 04, 2007, 11:09:31 AM
Geez, I just tried to create a BlueSq account..  Problems, my credit card exists, oh no, I thought, sharing them details with blonde also...  Ring freephone number, seems I already have an account with blueSq, since 2000..!!!  expired credit card, so just updtaed that and now we are cooking on gas..!!!  Seems I am a BlueSq Veteran..!!... :)
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Zukertort on August 04, 2007, 11:50:40 AM
Hi Des, will a password be required for the Blue Square online satellite on Monday?
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: ThinkerJE on August 04, 2007, 12:51:13 PM
Excellent stuff, cannot wait for Luton, will be a great weekend.  Can"t play in qualifier on Monday therefore clickfest for me on Wednesday.  Big thanks to Des & crew for getting this sorted and welcome to our new sponsors.  
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: duncthehat on August 04, 2007, 14:06:31 PM
Another guy panicking here.

Got and use Blue Sq.  Username Astonville guys rather than Duncthehat!!

I trust the event on blueSq soon.

Looked today and no sign of it.  do i have to possibly uninstall and reinstall bluesq for it to appear?
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: duncthehat on August 04, 2007, 14:22:26 PM
Further to my last just spoken to blue Square and event not likely to be on their system until tomorrow at earliest.

Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: kinboshi on August 04, 2007, 14:28:00 PM


is there a common database for Ipoker that disallows you from using the same handle).. Just a question not really a problem but annoying


Yes im afraid so Duke.

The other annoying thing about ipoker is that you can only have one client open at a time. I have two regular games that clash on a Tuesday evening on Blue Sq and Noble. I end up toggling between the two depending how im doing by closing one client and then re-opening the other.


Don"t suppose you know if this restriction is only based on one instance of the client being open on a computer, or if it"s also down to ip restriction?  If it"s just the client thing, it should be possible to play on two computers on the same internet connection - one skin on one, one on the other.

I will test this now to see if it"s possible, and also check that it doesn"t break any T&Cs.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Robbiebox on August 04, 2007, 15:34:53 PM
and kinboshi?
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Delboy on August 04, 2007, 16:35:25 PM


ok 5 HU matches played over 5 different versions of poker (you choose 3 i will choose 2) for a drink


That"s more in my price range  :D

As long as they"re not limit games, that sounds fine with me.  What drink do you want?


I"ve gotta see this   ;D
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: hairingtons on August 04, 2007, 17:31:24 PM
I cant make Luton , too far for me unfortunately. I really hope to get to some "live" APAT games in season two, hope you put some on closer to the middle of the country.

I played with bluesq before i ever joined pokerstars, and always found the site very good. it doent have the number of games stars does, but customer service was great too. hope it aint changed.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Bodddders on August 04, 2007, 17:37:11 PM

I cant make Luton , too far for me unfortunately. I really hope to get to some "live" APAT games in season two, hope you put some on closer to the middle of the country.

I played with bluesq before i ever joined pokerstars, and always found the site very good. it doent have the number of games stars does, but customer service was great too. hope it aint changed.


Hi hairingtons, with respect the Live Events have so far been in Birmingham, Newcastle, Cardiff, Edingburgh and Dublin so its about time us southerners got a look in. Were do you class as the "middle of the country".

Hope to see you in Season Two, GL.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Ironside on August 04, 2007, 17:48:47 PM
for me the middle of the country is around grenta carlise areaalthough transportation to both places are crap so anywhere but there please
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Bodddders on August 04, 2007, 17:50:50 PM
Good evening Iron how is the North Pole.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: hairingtons on August 04, 2007, 19:58:22 PM
Hi hairingtons, with respect the Live Events have so far been in Birmingham, Newcastle, Cardiff, Edingburgh and Dublin so its about time us southerners got a look in. Were do you class as the "middle of the country".

Hope to see you in Season Two, GL.
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no worrys, didnt look at previous live games locations. i joined APAT after most of those. im just gaggin to play some good live games.

i"ll certainly be around in season 2.

middle of the country is somewhere between leeds and nottingham. perhaps. ish.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: dougal7878 on August 04, 2007, 22:59:50 PM
Des...the online tourney isnt on blue square yet??????
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: hi_am_chris on August 05, 2007, 00:29:12 AM
wouldnt really class leeds as middle of the country, kind of a long way from nottingham...
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: TightEnd on August 05, 2007, 11:04:14 AM

Des...the online tourney isnt on blue square yet??????



It will be!
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: kinboshi on August 05, 2007, 14:44:56 PM

and kinboshi?


I completely forgot.  Will have a look a little later and report back.

Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: KarmaDope on August 05, 2007, 19:00:19 PM



is there a common database for Ipoker that disallows you from using the same handle).. Just a question not really a problem but annoying


Yes im afraid so Duke.

The other annoying thing about ipoker is that you can only have one client open at a time. I have two regular games that clash on a Tuesday evening on Blue Sq and Noble. I end up toggling between the two depending how im doing by closing one client and then re-opening the other.


Don"t suppose you know if this restriction is only based on one instance of the client being open on a computer, or if it"s also down to ip restriction?  If it"s just the client thing, it should be possible to play on two computers on the same internet connection - one skin on one, one on the other.

I will test this now to see if it"s possible, and also check that it doesn"t break any T&Cs.



If it"s any help, I know that on my home network, I could play on blue square on my comp, whilst my mate played on blue square on her laptop at the same time.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: mondatoo on August 05, 2007, 20:19:54 PM
Does any1 no wot time u expect both the day ones to start
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 05, 2007, 20:42:53 PM

Does any1 no wot time u expect both the day ones to start


2.30pm sharp on all three days.

Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: GiMac on August 06, 2007, 00:23:34 AM
No sign of the Blue Square Satellite yet???
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Ironside on August 06, 2007, 00:25:17 AM


Does any1 no wot time u expect both the day ones to start


2.30pm sharp on all three days.




what time you expecting them to finish?
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 06, 2007, 00:29:16 AM



Does any1 no wot time u expect both the day ones to start


2.30pm sharp on all three days.




what time you expecting them to finish?


I think that will depend to a degree on the final number of runners.  But I would expect around the 1am mark on both first days, and 9pm on the final day.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: DJKebab on August 06, 2007, 04:04:07 AM
How will you be able to ensure only APAT members take part in the satellite tourney, as presumably you won"t yet have BlueSq usernames recorded for everybody, or is it on a trust basis?


Cheers.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: janc on August 06, 2007, 11:15:22 AM
is it me or is the torney still not on blue square
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 06, 2007, 11:17:36 AM
It doesn"t start until 8pm, and it will be up in plenty of time.  Blue Square are working on it as we speak.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: kinboshi on August 06, 2007, 11:18:28 AM
It"s not on there yet.

I guess when it is on there, it will be under the satellites and specials headings?  Probably a restricted tournament with the same password as previously?

Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: kinboshi on August 06, 2007, 12:39:19 PM
It"s there now, under "specials".
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: jacko159 on August 06, 2007, 12:53:57 PM

It"s there now, under "specials".


And no password required !?!?

Surprised by that.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: jacko159 on August 06, 2007, 12:58:07 PM


It"s there now, under "specials".


And no password required !?!?

Surprised by that.


Now I see why - "free APAT membership for every player"


Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 06, 2007, 13:13:51 PM
Blue Square have become APAT's first organisational member.  As such, their players will get a free APAT membership as part of our agreement, as have existing APAT members.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: FlyingPig73 on August 06, 2007, 13:22:21 PM
The Pig is in...... Are you playing Kinboshi? What is your username on BSq?

The Nun is in..... A good poker player......
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: pazzorilancio on August 06, 2007, 16:08:02 PM
Hello Everbody :) I"m a newbie member so apologies for any dumb questions!

I signed up to APAT about half a year ago for £5... though I forgot what email address I used (as I have 2). Either way I just re-signed up using the free membership link using this username and the correct email address.

When registering on wednesday night will the forum details suffice or do I need to find out what i used when signing up a while back?

Am really hoping its not a sell out on wednesday night straight away! Would love to play this tournament the day after my birthday haha!

Also can we specify the best day to play during the payment process or after?

Cheers guys!
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 06, 2007, 16:40:56 PM
Hi Joshua.  We can utilise the email address that you signed up to the forum with.  You will be able to nominate your first day preference at the start of the payment process.

Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Ironside on August 06, 2007, 17:03:09 PM




Does any1 no wot time u expect both the day ones to start


2.30pm sharp on all three days.




what time you expecting them to finish?


I think that will depend to a degree on the final number of runners.  But I would expect around the 1am mark on both first days, and 9pm on the final day.



if 300 runners are in the event and the structure is the same as before surely it will run longer than previous events?

the first one didnt finish till gone 11 ireland was about the same and they had much smaller fields
i would of thought 2 am would of been a better time to plan the finsih of the day 1 (obviously if down to 15 runners before then on day 1a you can stop the clock then)
the most important thing is that say 2 doesnt over run too much with people working next day or traveling you really dont want 50-60 people coming back for day 2 IMHO
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 06, 2007, 17:17:52 PM
I might be wrong, but I believe we were down to 20 runners from 150 by midnight in Dublin.  Running an additional level should see us down to 12 to 15 and ideally we will bring between 20 to 30 back on day three.  
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Ironside on August 06, 2007, 18:11:28 PM

I might be wrong, but I believe we were down to 20 runners from 150 by midnight in Dublin.  Running an additional level should see us down to 12 to 15 and ideally we will bring between 20 to 30 back on day three. 


yeah 20-30 would be ideal

as i was in bed by midnight in dublin i cant comment but the 27 coming back in birmingham would be hard to work with but i think again that was an 11pm finish

so 1am might work  though i would prefer it if you stated before the event that you might run it an extra hour if needed so that if come 1 am on day 1a there is still 25 runners left you can go on without people claiming that this wasnt announced before the start
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: TightEnd on August 06, 2007, 18:38:31 PM
I agree with that Ironside


the important point here is to end the comp at a sensible time on the Monday evening


working back from that, if we need to play a level beyond 1am on either of the day 1s that sounds sensible to me
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: wizza on August 06, 2007, 19:18:00 PM
Hope they can sort out this qualifying. There should be more saterlites as the lottery is unfair . also all our aliases will be different???? i preferred pokerstars at least we new each other!





i am relying on the clickfest too

but as i am useless online i would struggle to quailfy online anyway

hoping there is still 250+ seats left
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Shogun112 on August 06, 2007, 19:28:38 PM
Not sure what the name problem is Wizza...  My login name to Blue Sq is Goldie and a number...  My poker user name is Shogun112...  same as the Blonde poker name, although they are using the same i poker people...  I think..!!

Cheers

Carl..
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Jon MW on August 06, 2007, 19:31:40 PM

Hope they can sort out this qualifying. There should be more saterlites as the lottery is unfair . also all our aliases will be different???? i preferred pokerstars at least we new each other!





i am relying on the clickfest too

but as i am useless online i would struggle to quailfy online anyway

hoping there is still 250+ seats left



What lottery?

A ballot is a lottery, first come first serve by clicking a payment option is just the way every online poker tournament is registered and the same principle (first come first serve) that almost every live tournament allocates most of their seats.

Statistically satellites are poor value for money, I would hope for as many seats as possible by a "clickfest".
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: HaworthBantam on August 06, 2007, 20:27:44 PM
I"m with you Jon.

Personally, I"d like to see no on line qualifiers for the live events, however, I do understand the sponsors point of view.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Paulie_D on August 06, 2007, 21:02:41 PM
I hope that the structure of future online events is better (I"m sure it"s in the briefing somewhere) because the Satellite for European is HORRIBLE.

10 minute levels!...We"re an hour in (break just started) and it"s already a shove-fest.

I shan"t comment on the BlueSquare software....I could....but I"d get a ban.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Bodddders on August 06, 2007, 21:05:20 PM

I hope that the structure of future online events is better (I"m sure it"s in the briefing somewhere) because the Satellite for European is HORRIBLE.

10 minute levels!...We"re an hour in (break just started) and it"s already a shove-fest.

I shan"t comment on the BlueSquare software....I could....but I"d get a ban.


I agree.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Jon MW on August 06, 2007, 21:05:46 PM
I agree, with about 2/3 of the field left the average stack was short stacked.

Although I completely back APAt"s judgement that the live events are the core of APAts events it is a shame that Blue Sqaure have such poor software - this is the reason why I stopped playing on there to start with.

If APAt can influence such things it would serve Blue Square and APAt so much benefit if they could change there software to something which provides better structures.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: nosey-p on August 06, 2007, 21:07:57 PM
Some people can not afford direct buy-in, so the satellites is the only way thy can play live  
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 06, 2007, 21:10:41 PM

I agree, with about 2/3 of the field left the average stack was short stacked.

Although I completely back APAt"s judgement that the live events are the core of APAts events it is a shame that Blue Sqaure have such poor software - this is the reason why I stopped playing on there to start with.

If APAt can influence such things it would serve Blue Square and APAt so much benefit if they could change there software to something which provides better structures.


We can and will influence the structure of the next APAT event at Blue Square.  Tonight is providing a number of learnings and we will do our utmost to work with the team at Blue Square to make things a little more "APAT friendly" in future.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Paulie_D on August 06, 2007, 21:14:04 PM

Some people can not afford direct buy-in, so the satellites is the only way thy can play live  

I agree..and that"s why the satellites do have their place.

Leaving the software aside...which is a personal niggle...it"s just the blind structure that has me disappointed. APAT is all about promoting PLAY, this leaves little to be desired.

IMHO that is.  ;D

{EDIT}...something has been posted as I typed. I just needed to vent a little, Des.


BTW..."Learnings"...is that a word? :D
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Jon MW on August 06, 2007, 21:15:22 PM

Some people can not afford direct buy-in, so the satellites is the only way thy can play live  


Don"t get me wrong I think there is a place for satellites, but bear in mind if you have the average skill level (something that not all of us can be sure of :) ) you have an 87.5% chance of NOT getting a seat, it would take 5 satellites before you are even in a 50:50 situation.

This is why I don"t really like satellites in general - but I"m willing to concede that it might just be my prejudice.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 06, 2007, 21:19:30 PM


Some people can not afford direct buy-in, so the satellites is the only way thy can play live  

I agree..and that"s why the satellites do have their place.

Leaving the software aside...which is a personal niggle...it"s just the blind structure that has me disappointed. APAT is all about promoting PLAY, this leaves little to be desired.

IMHO that is.  ;D

{EDIT}...something has been posted as I typed. I just needed to vent a little, Des.


BTW..."Learnings"...is that a word? :D


Yup.  At the top of the APAT dictionary that one.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Paulie_D on August 06, 2007, 21:20:33 PM


Some people can not afford direct buy-in, so the satellites is the only way thy can play live  


Don"t get me wrong I think there is a place for satellites, but bear in mind if you have the average skill level (something that not all of us can be sure of :) ) you have an 87.5% chance of NOT getting a seat, it would take 5 satellites before you are even in a 50:50 situation.

This is why I don"t really like satellites in general - but I"m willing to concede that it might just be my prejudice.

You"re not alone, Jon...I"m not a fan myself...but I"m mean, so any chance to save a few $$ ;)

Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Jon MW on August 06, 2007, 21:22:12 PM


I agree, with about 2/3 of the field left the average stack was short stacked.

Although I completely back APAt"s judgement that the live events are the core of APAts events it is a shame that Blue Sqaure have such poor software - this is the reason why I stopped playing on there to start with.

If APAt can influence such things it would serve Blue Square and APAt so much benefit if they could change there software to something which provides better structures.


We can and will influence the structure of the next APAT event at Blue Square.  Tonight is providing a number of learnings and we will do our utmost to work with the team at Blue Square to make things a little more "APAT friendly" in future.


This is a good thing, I would have mentioned this quicker but because I was typing the other post I accidently called a bet instead of folding, so I was - er - well sulking for a minute. I"m over it now. Good - arrrgh - just folded instead of going all in.

Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Jon MW on August 06, 2007, 21:25:04 PM
And now I"m out - I blame Des, I think he should buy me a drink to make up for it :D
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Paulie_D on August 06, 2007, 21:29:10 PM
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author=APAT link=topic=175.msg4322#msg4322 date=1186431570]
BTW..."Learnings"...is that a word? :D

Yup.  At the top of the APAT dictionary that one.


Sure, sure...right next to... "I"ll get the drinks in" ;D
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 06, 2007, 21:32:24 PM

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author=APAT link=topic=175.msg4322#msg4322 date=1186431570]
BTW..."Learnings"...is that a word? :D

Yup.  At the top of the APAT dictionary that one.


Sure, sure...right next to... "I"ll get the drinks in" ;D


lol....no, never saw that other "phrase" in the APAT dictionary  :D  but while you are at it Paulie, get one for Jon....
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: technolog on August 06, 2007, 22:05:43 PM
The structure of the iPoker tournaments can be good - hopefully we just need to ask. Here"s the structure of one tournament I play quite often. At 10 minute levels it"s a bit faster than the PokerStars/APAT tourneys, at 15 minutes it"d be a bit slower, at 12 minute levels it"d be about the same. Combine the 15min levels with a 10k stack and I"ll be drooling all over my keyboard - and hopefully having Sunday dinner for breakfast!

Let"s go for it Des!

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Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 06, 2007, 22:07:21 PM
I was thinking 50,000 stacks and 3 day levels...no?
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Jon MW on August 06, 2007, 22:11:29 PM

I was thinking 50,000 stacks and 3 day levels...no?


Are you making fun of us?  >:(
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 06, 2007, 22:12:20 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: technolog on August 06, 2007, 22:12:34 PM

I was thinking 50,000 stacks and 3 day levels...no?


I like your attitude Mr Duffy - very can do!

Anything upto 8 hour duration would be great though!
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Chipaccrual on August 06, 2007, 22:49:13 PM
Satellite this evening has taken 15 seats.

Well done guys.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: nosey-p on August 06, 2007, 23:16:41 PM
I would just like to thank the person who told us about the freeroll to GUKPT Luton (I don't know were the tread is) I did not win but I came 10th winning a $100 token, not bad for nothing, but I can not find a Luton qualifier on BS  
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: jacko159 on August 06, 2007, 23:26:27 PM

I would just like to thank the person who told us about the freeroll to GUKPT Luton (I don't know were the tread is) I did not win but I came 10th winning a $100 token, not bad for nothing, but I can not find a Luton qualifier on BS  


I think all the Luton sats have been played now - event starts on Thursday this week.

You should be able to use the token for one of the other satellites though, Plymouth is next venue in September, Victoria in October and Blackpool in November.



Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: nosey-p on August 06, 2007, 23:40:38 PM
Thank you
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: pazzorilancio on August 07, 2007, 09:16:13 AM
So then..

How many people do you think are going to be "click festing" tomorrow evening? More than 285?

I hope not! I need to buy a ticket for me and my mate lol.

It would be nice if everyone got a ticket wednesday night with a few to spare which got taken over the following weeks, then everyone"s happy.

This would be my first event (and the first one I"m applying for) so what have the other click fests been like?

Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: HaworthBantam on August 07, 2007, 09:39:58 AM
I believe the last few sold out within 5 minutes, but that was with between 130 and 150 seats available. Wednesday"s may last 10 minutes before it"s sold out.

If you sit at your PC hitting "Reload" every 3 seconds and then hit the "Buy Seat" link as soon as it becomes live I think you"ll be safe.

Good luck.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: pazzorilancio on August 07, 2007, 09:50:24 AM
The big danger though is cached web pages!

Not only are web pages stored locally on a machine (thus when refreshing only showing the local image instead of downloading the new one), ISP"s also cache regular web pages...

Meaning BT could be displaying a cached page of when tickets aren"t active, and Virgin Media could be displaying a live one, thus giving preference etc...

I was wondering if Des has thought of this as I am worried this could seriously effect the situation. (I guess a work around would be a button to click to buy the tickets in some sort of java applet which would say whether its valid or not. That way it contacts the server everytime for a request...)

Ah well. I"ll have my pc on, and my laptop next to me for my mate doing the refresh thing. As soon as you click "buy seat" i take it the seat is reserved while you enter your details?

Regards
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: kinboshi on August 07, 2007, 09:52:34 AM

The structure of the iPoker tournaments can be good - hopefully we just need to ask. Here"s the structure of one tournament I play quite often. At 10 minute levels it"s a bit faster than the PokerStars/APAT tourneys, at 15 minutes it"d be a bit slower, at 12 minute levels it"d be about the same. Combine the 15min levels with a 10k stack and I"ll be drooling all over my keyboard - and hopefully having Sunday dinner for breakfast!

Let"s go for it Des!



As well as the level duration, the time you get to make a decision on Stars is a lot longer, and there is also the timebank for difficult decisions.   It can be difficult to work out the pot odds or implied odds in the time you have to make a decision on the ipoker software. 

If you can Des, please ask about the possibility of having slightly longer to act, and also about the introduction of a timebank.

Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: kinboshi on August 07, 2007, 10:03:20 AM

The big danger though is cached web pages!

Not only are web pages stored locally on a machine (thus when refreshing only showing the local image instead of downloading the new one), ISP"s also cache regular web pages...

Meaning BT could be displaying a cached page of when tickets aren"t active, and Virgin Media could be displaying a live one, thus giving preference etc...

I was wondering if Des has thought of this as I am worried this could seriously effect the situation. (I guess a work around would be a button to click to buy the tickets in some sort of java applet which would say whether its valid or not. That way it contacts the server everytime for a request...)

Ah well. I"ll have my pc on, and my laptop next to me for my mate doing the refresh thing. As soon as you click "buy seat" i take it the seat is reserved while you enter your details?

Regards


The pages aren"t cached by the web server, and by hitting ctrl+F5 you will be requesting a "new" version of the page - and it has worked in the past with no problems.

Your ISP shouldn"t be caching pages to stop this from working.

Not sure about the seat being held for you until your payment details are entered and submitted.  
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: pazzorilancio on August 07, 2007, 10:11:06 AM
Really? ISP"s definitely do cache web pages so short periods of times...
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Gambloor on August 07, 2007, 10:52:03 AM

I might be wrong, but I believe we were down to 20 runners from 150 by midnight in Dublin.  Running an additional level should see us down to 12 to 15 and ideally we will bring between 20 to 30 back on day three. 


Just browsing through this thread when I saw this.  I believe (I may be wrong) that APAT tourneys normally pay top 10%.  If the top 10% in Luton are paid (top 30) there would have to be more than 30 players playing on the final day (most likely the final 4 tables), as I can"t see how the bubble can burst without the field being consolidated.  I"m no tournament director though, so shout me down if I"m wrong  :)
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: HaworthBantam on August 07, 2007, 12:28:52 PM
I have done some tournament directing and my assumption (dangerous I know) would be that both day 1"s would play down to the end of an appropriate level, regardless of how many players are left - probably the  2000/4000 level.

This would enable day two to start at 3000/6000 and no players getting an advantage out of differing finishing blinds.

This method will not take into account the number of players left each day (you may have 17 from day 1a and 15 from day 1b etc), but does seem the fairest.

I may be completely off the mark however, but I"m sure Des will put me straight........

Ian
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Ironside on August 08, 2007, 18:56:27 PM


I might be wrong, but I believe we were down to 20 runners from 150 by midnight in Dublin.  Running an additional level should see us down to 12 to 15 and ideally we will bring between 20 to 30 back on day three. 


Just browsing through this thread when I saw this.  I believe (I may be wrong) that APAT tourneys normally pay top 10%.  If the top 10% in Luton are paid (top 30) there would have to be more than 30 players playing on the final day (most likely the final 4 tables), as I can"t see how the bubble can burst without the field being consolidated.  I"m no tournament director though, so shout me down if I"m wrong  :)


i forgot about that yeah there will be a need to stop the clock when 20 players are out on day 1a just so that there are atleast 30 coming back on day 2 this could lead to anywhere upto 50 players come back for day 2 this would be unforutunate
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: TightEnd on August 08, 2007, 19:01:46 PM
Unfortunate maybe, but a feature of all multi day comps I have played that sadly some return and do not make the money

Thinking something along the lines of playing down to 20 runners on Day 1b, the same on day1b and then giving some blind relief by starting the clock at the beginning of that level on day 2

Will let you know when we have decided
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: dougal7878 on August 08, 2007, 19:06:05 PM
Well.....Cache or no cache.....refresh or f5 there both crap.....pressing away for ages and nothing....open up a 2nd tab and there it is.....i"ve never typed so fast!.......Click fest"s suck!!!!! Lets see if 3/4 minutes was good enought this time....compared to the 4 hours last time!! ;)
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: Ironside on August 08, 2007, 19:09:10 PM

Unfortunate maybe, but a feature of all multi day comps I have played that sadly some return and do not make the money

Thinking something along the lines of playing down to 20 runners on Day 1b, the same on day1b and then giving some blind relief by starting the clock at the beginning of that level on day 2

Will let you know when we have decided


yeah there will have to be a few not getting paid returning otherwise its impossible to work out who is 31st and who is 30th means a long 2nd day
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: daviesjay on August 09, 2007, 07:35:34 AM
Are they really paying top 30?
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: technolog on August 09, 2007, 12:27:56 PM
It would be "normal" to pay the top 10% or thereabouts.
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: JC on August 11, 2007, 15:14:33 PM
Any news on the % payouts for the Top 30?
Title: Re: APAT Announces European Amateur Poker Championship
Post by: APAT on August 11, 2007, 16:02:31 PM
I am working on that as we speak and it should be released tomorrow or early next week.