Poker Forum => Live Poker => Topic started by: Des on December 10, 2015, 15:28:04 PM
Title: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: Des on December 10, 2015, 15:28:04 PM
We would really value some feedback on the live streaming trial that we undertook in Newcastle two weeks ago guys.
As a reminder, we had a multi-camera setup that allowed us to cover two tables with a flop cam on the feature table. We had a commentary stream from Leigh across day 1 & 2, both on his own, but also interviewing players at the tables and as they were leaving. Lucy and David Amos gave us a two person commentary team for the final table.
We learned lots of things over the weekend in how to operate the equipment while integrating chip counts, tweets and adverts into the stream. We made lots of mistakes in the process, but will be a lot sharper for the experience if we continue to live stream.
We were able to distribute the live stream within the APAT forum in addition to YouTube, Facebook and Twitter (we can add Twitch). The stream was also recorded and sits on our YouTube channel so attendees can watch the event on returning home from Newcastle (scroll through timeline on the embedded video below as commentary is missing in some of the early segments).
It will be very difficult to run a good live stream and a good forum update together. The live stream would allow us to interact with forum questions, calls or tweets during the event and potentially open APAT up to a new audience via the channels above. So I"m leaning in that direction. But what do you guys think?
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: Des on December 10, 2015, 15:31:42 PM
I have to say a big thank you to Leigh in particular, who put a lot of preparation and time into delivering the stream in Newcastle. It was really a first class contribution and it was great to see him back behind the APAT table. Thanks also to Lucy who had to really change the way she works due to the stream being present. She adapted fabulously and did a great stint in commentary with her dad on Sunday.
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: fandango on December 10, 2015, 22:05:19 PM
I didnt like it..........................................
I LOVED IT!... Just like the good old days :)
Was worried that the camera that recorded the flop, turn and river positioned in between seat 5&6, would make the cards upside down but looked great ;).
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: HaworthBantam on December 10, 2015, 22:16:20 PM
I know I"ve not been on here in, erm, years, but I liked the original video attempts of 4 or 5 years ago - it sounds like the video streaming has progressed somewhat, which can only be good.
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: Logie66 on December 10, 2015, 22:20:23 PM
I watched a couple of times and was very impressed with the quality. Didn"t get a chance to listen to the commentary.
The only piece that I thought may need improving is the fixing of the camera for the cards on the flop. It seemed that it was fixed to the table and wobbled a lot in response to the players moving. If you can stop the wobble it will be perfect.
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: Chipaccrual on December 10, 2015, 23:03:53 PM
Was worried that the camera that recorded the flop, turn and river positioned in between seat 5&6, would make the cards upside down but looked great ;).
Too good. I laughed then, I"m laughing now. :)
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: Des on December 11, 2015, 12:24:06 PM
Was worried that the camera that recorded the flop, turn and river positioned in between seat 5&6, would make the cards upside down but looked great ;).
Too good. I laughed then, I"m laughing now. :)
It"s amazing how quickly the eye adapts to the upside down cards... ::)
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: jockey on December 11, 2015, 14:40:22 PM
Great idea ad1
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: noble1 on December 11, 2015, 16:28:52 PM
I watched the stream and enjoyed it, Leigh and everyone involved did a fine job.
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: Fatcatstu on January 07, 2016, 10:09:05 AM
Just having a look back over this, and am slightly worried that this is going to mean a move towards no forum updates and streaming only?
IMO the live updates are an integral part of the APAT weekend, I know that when I play my mum and friends all watch the updates to see if I get mentioned and see how I am getting on, I am guessing it will be the same with others.
In recent events the updates have been nothing short of superb, Lucy has done a great job, and in Newcastle, while the addition of the stream was more than welcome, at times the update thread was totally neglected, and when you have a room full of people who folks want to keep track of, having 2 tables at most covered doesnt really cut it IMO.
I think that the stream should be a supplement to, not instead of, the live updates. There have been events recently where Facebook was used for updates, and I think it was agreed that they didnt really work either, while there isnt as much interaction on the thread nowadays, people still want it there to read, and look back on as time goes by.
Just thought I would add my opinion to add some balance, Im sure, as a;ways, that you will take everything on board and come to the right decision for APAT :)
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: PHIL_TC on January 07, 2016, 11:29:11 AM
IMO the live updates are an integral part of the APAT weekend, I know that when I play my mum and friends all watch the updates to see if I get mentioned and see how I am getting on
FYP x
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: fandango on January 07, 2016, 11:53:54 AM
Just having a look back over this, and am slightly worried that this is going to mean a move towards no forum updates and streaming only?
IMO the live updates are an integral part of the APAT weekend, I know that when I play my mum and friends all watch the updates to see if I get mentioned and see how I am getting on, I am guessing it will be the same with others.
In recent events the updates have been nothing short of superb, Lucy has done a great job, and in Newcastle, while the addition of the stream was more than welcome, at times the update thread was totally neglected, and when you have a room full of people who folks want to keep track of, having 2 tables at most covered doesnt really cut it IMO.
I think that the stream should be a supplement to, not instead of, the live updates. There have been events recently where Facebook was used for updates, and I think it was agreed that they didnt really work either, while there isnt as much interaction on the thread nowadays, people still want it there to read, and look back on as time goes by.
Just thought I would add my opinion to add some balance, Im sure, as a;ways, that you will take everything on board and come to the right decision for APAT :)
+1 hate to agree with Stu!!
Streaming is an excellent ADDITION.. Really enjoy watching whilst the kids are quiet.. But nothing will ever replace the live updates IMO. Also would keep the forum traffic higher with live updates, and on a completely selfish basis, I enjoy trawling back through the live updates of yesteryear esp if I ran deep, it brings back great memories.
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: Sugar_Free on January 07, 2016, 20:19:39 PM
Just having a look back over this, and am slightly worried that this is going to mean a move towards no forum updates and streaming only?
IMO the live updates are an integral part of the APAT weekend, I know that when I play my mum and friends all watch the updates to see if I get mentioned and see how I am getting on, I am guessing it will be the same with others.
In recent events the updates have been nothing short of superb, Lucy has done a great job, and in Newcastle, while the addition of the stream was more than welcome, at times the update thread was totally neglected, and when you have a room full of people who folks want to keep track of, having 2 tables at most covered doesnt really cut it IMO.
I think that the stream should be a supplement to, not instead of, the live updates. There have been events recently where Facebook was used for updates, and I think it was agreed that they didnt really work either, while there isnt as much interaction on the thread nowadays, people still want it there to read, and look back on as time goes by.
Just thought I would add my opinion to add some balance, Im sure, as a;ways, that you will take everything on board and come to the right decision for APAT :)
+1 hate to agree with Stu!!
Streaming is an excellent ADDITION.. Really enjoy watching whilst the kids are quiet.. But nothing will ever replace the live updates IMO. Also would keep the forum traffic higher with live updates, and on a completely selfish basis, I enjoy trawling back through the live updates of yesteryear esp if I ran deep, it brings back great memories.
+1 (apart from the run deep bit)
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: pokerpops on January 08, 2016, 11:13:18 AM
IMO the live updates are an integral part of the APAT weekend, I know that when I play my mum and friends all watch the updates to see if I get mentioned and see how I am getting on
FYP x
WPWPWPWP
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: Chipaccrual on January 08, 2016, 12:47:43 PM
I"m really looking forward to Luton (technology permitting). We learnt so much in Newcastle about what works, what doesn"t, what"s needed and what I thought was needed but in fact is more hassle than it"s worth.
I think we will find the right balance of reporting. Not sure we"ll have it perfect at Luton, partly because the team event is a bit of a one-off each year, but we"re going to have another good go at giving people at home a flavour of what"s going on, whilst leaving a story for those that were there to read as days, weeks and years go by.
Keep the feedback coming, and don"t forget, none of this works without the interaction and involvement of the APAT community. If you want good event reporting, then just add a little to the updates. If everyone does that, then it becomes a much richer and wider read/watch.
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: Fatcatstu on January 08, 2016, 13:21:21 PM
I"m really looking forward to Luton (technology permitting). We learnt so much in Newcastle about what works, what doesn"t, what"s needed and what I thought was needed but in fact is more hassle than it"s worth.
I think we will find the right balance of reporting. Not sure we"ll have it perfect at Luton, partly because the team event is a bit of a one-off each year, but we"re going to have another good go at giving people at home a flavour of what"s going on, whilst leaving a story for those that were there to read as days, weeks and years go by.
Keep the feedback coming, and don"t forget, none of this works without the interaction and involvement of the APAT community. If you want good event reporting, then just add a little to the updates. If everyone does that, then it becomes a much richer and wider read/watch.
That was the problem in Newcastle, the update thread was practically none existent, it felt like there was literally no one manning it. This is where most people will go to find out what is happening IMO. The stream is a great additional tool to have, but it needs to be in addition to, not at the detriment of, the written updates.
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: IrishTom on January 08, 2016, 13:42:47 PM
I"m really looking forward to Luton (technology permitting). We learnt so much in Newcastle about what works, what doesn"t, what"s needed and what I thought was needed but in fact is more hassle than it"s worth.
I think we will find the right balance of reporting. Not sure we"ll have it perfect at Luton, partly because the team event is a bit of a one-off each year, but we"re going to have another good go at giving people at home a flavour of what"s going on, whilst leaving a story for those that were there to read as days, weeks and years go by.
Keep the feedback coming, and don"t forget, none of this works without the interaction and involvement of the APAT community. If you want good event reporting, then just add a little to the updates. If everyone does that, then it becomes a much richer and wider read/watch.
That was the problem in Newcastle, the update thread was practically none existent, it felt like there was literally no one manning it. This is where most people will go to find out what is happening IMO. The stream is a great additional tool to have, but it needs to be in addition to, not at the detriment of, the written updates.
I don"t have the brain capacity of Lucy/Leigh/Des... trying to blog whilst having to at times push one button on a laptop... ume... help!
But I"m confident as Leigh says, we"ll get the balance right... maybe not 100% in Luton as again that will be a learning curve and during such a busy/large event... but beyond that "on the tour" if we are to retain the addition of live stream then I am confident for Season 10 going forward.
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: Fatcatstu on January 08, 2016, 13:48:37 PM
I"m really looking forward to Luton (technology permitting). We learnt so much in Newcastle about what works, what doesn"t, what"s needed and what I thought was needed but in fact is more hassle than it"s worth.
I think we will find the right balance of reporting. Not sure we"ll have it perfect at Luton, partly because the team event is a bit of a one-off each year, but we"re going to have another good go at giving people at home a flavour of what"s going on, whilst leaving a story for those that were there to read as days, weeks and years go by.
Keep the feedback coming, and don"t forget, none of this works without the interaction and involvement of the APAT community. If you want good event reporting, then just add a little to the updates. If everyone does that, then it becomes a much richer and wider read/watch.
That was the problem in Newcastle, the update thread was practically none existent, it felt like there was literally no one manning it. This is where most people will go to find out what is happening IMO. The stream is a great additional tool to have, but it needs to be in addition to, not at the detriment of, the written updates.
I don"t have the brain capacity of Lucy/Leigh/Des... trying to blog whilst having to at times push one button on a laptop... ume... help!
But I"m confident as Leigh says, we"ll get the balance right... maybe not 100% in Luton as again that will be a learning curve and during such a busy/large event... but beyond that "on the tour" if we are to retain the addition of live stream then I am confident for Season 10 going forward.
Sorry, I dont want to seem like I am having personal digs at people, I am definitely not, you all do a fantastic job, I jsut think it would be a massive shame to see the update threads fall by the wayside is all.
I have said to Des that if I am out, I am willing to help out, be it on the update thread or the Live stream at any event I am at.
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: AAroddersAA on January 08, 2016, 23:35:14 PM
I"m really looking forward to Luton (technology permitting). We learnt so much in Newcastle about what works, what doesn"t, what"s needed and what I thought was needed but in fact is more hassle than it"s worth.
I think we will find the right balance of reporting. Not sure we"ll have it perfect at Luton, partly because the team event is a bit of a one-off each year, but we"re going to have another good go at giving people at home a flavour of what"s going on, whilst leaving a story for those that were there to read as days, weeks and years go by.
Keep the feedback coming, and don"t forget, none of this works without the interaction and involvement of the APAT community. If you want good event reporting, then just add a little to the updates. If everyone does that, then it becomes a much richer and wider read/watch.
That was the problem in Newcastle, the update thread was practically none existent, it felt like there was literally no one manning it. This is where most people will go to find out what is happening IMO. The stream is a great additional tool to have, but it needs to be in addition to, not at the detriment of, the written updates.
I don"t have the brain capacity of Lucy/Leigh/Des... trying to blog whilst having to at times push one button on a laptop... ume... help!
But I"m confident as Leigh says, we"ll get the balance right... maybe not 100% in Luton as again that will be a learning curve and during such a busy/large event... but beyond that "on the tour" if we are to retain the addition of live stream then I am confident for Season 10 going forward.
Sorry, I dont want to seem like I am having personal digs at people, I am definitely not, you all do a fantastic job, I jsut think it would be a massive shame to see the update threads fall by the wayside is all.
I have said to Des that if I am out, I am willing to help out, be it on the update thread or the Live stream at any event I am at.
Might need an over 18 filter with you on commentary though.
Seriously I agree with Stu about the live updates, but also think it is important that we all contribute. Player participation is important to the best live update and what has caused them to not be so good lately at least in part is nobody posts on the things.
Let"s get some banter and updates from the players themselves going and we will have a great update thread
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: Fatcatstu on February 17, 2016, 12:29:03 PM
Really enjoyed my time helping out in Luton, and after seeing all the hard work that goes in, I have a greater appreciation of the whole system.
I think that it is probably important to have BOTH going forward. The Live Stream was excellent, and great fun to work on. Leigh is superb on it, and makes it easy to do. The live update thread still needs to be used fully though. Im not sure what the viewing figures were like, but I would imagine the thread still got more views, both from people wanting updates on people they know, and players looking back on it after the tournament.
I understand though, that the logistics of doing both may be rather difficult, but it is important to find a balance IMO.
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: IrishTom on February 17, 2016, 12:31:27 PM
I"m really looking forward to Luton (technology permitting). We learnt so much in Newcastle about what works, what doesn"t, what"s needed and what I thought was needed but in fact is more hassle than it"s worth.
I think we will find the right balance of reporting. Not sure we"ll have it perfect at Luton, partly because the team event is a bit of a one-off each year, but we"re going to have another good go at giving people at home a flavour of what"s going on, whilst leaving a story for those that were there to read as days, weeks and years go by.
Keep the feedback coming, and don"t forget, none of this works without the interaction and involvement of the APAT community. If you want good event reporting, then just add a little to the updates. If everyone does that, then it becomes a much richer and wider read/watch.
That was the problem in Newcastle, the update thread was practically none existent, it felt like there was literally no one manning it. This is where most people will go to find out what is happening IMO. The stream is a great additional tool to have, but it needs to be in addition to, not at the detriment of, the written updates.
I don"t have the brain capacity of Lucy/Leigh/Des... trying to blog whilst having to at times push one button on a laptop... ume... help!
But I"m confident as Leigh says, we"ll get the balance right... maybe not 100% in Luton as again that will be a learning curve and during such a busy/large event... but beyond that "on the tour" if we are to retain the addition of live stream then I am confident for Season 10 going forward.
Sorry, I dont want to seem like I am having personal digs at people, I am definitely not, you all do a fantastic job, I jsut think it would be a massive shame to see the update threads fall by the wayside is all.
I have said to Des that if I am out, I am willing to help out, be it on the update thread or the Live stream at any event I am at.
Don"t worry Stu it wasn"t taken that way, and thanks for the updates and live stream in Luton, and I"ll not hesitate to shout your name at future events if we need the help mate thank you.
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: DodgyEnd (Tom APAT.be) on February 17, 2016, 12:59:23 PM
Was the live stream taped so we could watch it again on Youtube or something?
I was in the event so I didn"t watch the stream but a friend of mine who was watching said that on Saturday the sound wasn"t that good and it was much better on Sunday.
Also the camera position on Day 1 was pretty bad, and it pretty much only showed the back of one of the players :) On day 2 the camera was set a lot higher which gave a much better overview of the table.
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 17, 2016, 13:37:45 PM
Luton Day One
Luton Day Two
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 17, 2016, 13:41:47 PM
Was the live stream taped so we could watch it again on Youtube or something?
I was in the event so I didn"t watch the stream but a friend of mine who was watching said that on Saturday the sound wasn"t that good and it was much better on Sunday.
Also the camera position on Day 1 was pretty bad, and it pretty much only showed the back of one of the players :) On day 2 the camera was set a lot higher which gave a much better overview of the table.
I think you"re friend is right about the sound on the first day. We switched to just one microphone as we were getting a bit of echo and this seemed to improve it. Having watched bits back, I"m also aware that different commentators speak at different volumes, and we need to work on finding a middle range that doesn"t mean the viewer need to mess with their volume.
Cameras around the table are difficult as we try not to be intrusive to those playing, but also need to provide a good picture for those watching to see what"s happening and not just rely on us commentating on a wide shot of the table.
Not sure we have got that balance quite right yet, but we"re a very mobile and cost effective setup, so will continue to look for solutions to improve it further.
Title: Re: APAT Live Streaming
Post by: Kinester on February 17, 2016, 17:34:59 PM
If you guys could stream on Twitch then think that would be good. PokerStars are streaming the EPT Dublin on there now and just nice and easy to use. Only thing that does bother me is when the final tables are shown cards up as you tend to have the whole of the final table glued to their phones.
Guess also with twitch it will get people who are unaware of APAT watching.