Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Live Poker => Topic started by: RioRodent on August 11, 2007, 18:15:38 PM
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National Amateur Championships
* World Championship of Amatuer Poker - Is the Vic really the best place for a 4 or 5 day series of events? Whilst I accept that the Vic is historically the mecca of poker in the UK, the cost of travel and accomodation will mean that very few will be able to play all (or even more than one) of the events. Is it actually the best poker room in the Grovesnor estate? I have not been there myself so this is genuinely a question for others to discuss.
* APAT Forum Challenge - Will this be an Amateur event or open to professional members also? Size of team? Could a forum enter more than one team?
* APAT International Team Challenge - How about a "Rest of the World" Team?
* APAT Masters - This time I think the buy-in is too high for the majority of amateur players.
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- I like playing at the Vic, cost will be a problem but personally I expect that I will have to treat it as an extra special "treat", or finance it from a satellite.
- good questions, I"d like to know
- that"s a good idea as well
- I think you"re right but I expect it has to be high enough to attract some pros to take part, for example I personally won"t consider buying straight in but it will work well if (unlike the main championships) it had a high level of satellite entries. I wouldn"t want the main championships to have many seats available by satellite but for this higher price I think it warrants it.
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london is a hugely expensive venue for such an event where i have paid upto £200 a night for a bed local to the casino
also with the event taking place over a number of consective days surely this isnt the best solotion for amateurs that have to work time off is normally spent on a family holiday not a week in central london playing poker
its ok for single men like myself but surely i am not the target market for the APAt
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I didn"t think all that much of the Vic, although there seems to be some refurbishment going on behind screens when I visited...
Didn"t seem v big either...
Lots and Lots of cash games though :-)
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I can asure you that the best cardroom in the country is now the new G Casino Grosvenor at Blackpool. It has 200 regular seats with lots of comfortable space and could probably push to 250-300 for the right event.
Unlimited cheap accomodation, easy access for the whole country inc. Ireland and plenty of other activities on offer too.
I guess DTD might well surpass this , but at the moment Blackpool is without doubt the best on offer.
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I can asure you that the best cardroom in the country is now the new G Casino Grosvenor at Blackpool. It has 200 regular seats with lots of comfortable space and could probably push to 250-300 for the right event.
Unlimited cheap accomodation, easy access for the whole country inc. Ireland and plenty of other activities on offer too.
I guess DTD might well surpass this , but at the moment Blackpool is without doubt the best on offer.
I have to agree with all that. It is in the centre of the country, fantastic casino, and when you go out there is so much to do.......
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I can asure you that the best cardroom in the country is now the new G Casino Grosvenor at Blackpool. It has 200 regular seats with lots of comfortable space and could probably push to 250-300 for the right event.
Unlimited cheap accomodation, easy access for the whole country inc. Ireland and plenty of other activities on offer too.
I guess DTD might well surpass this , but at the moment Blackpool is without doubt the best on offer.
I have to agree with all that. It is in the centre of the country, fantastic casino, and when you go out there is so much to do.......
For anyone that wants to play all of the events (who doesn"t live in/close to London), Blackpool just has to be a better option.
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Im pretty sure when i went down for a poker comp in london the hotel prices were a hell of a lot cheaper than what ive spent in newcastle (but i went a little stupid with the room selction as i took the missus!) and birmingham due to the sheer number of them meaning more competion over prices.
Ive always wanted to check out the Vic and to be honest i just love london aswell!
As for the actual comp, I have to be honest i havent even looked at the full list of season 2 prospects so dont know what the buy in is for this or what it actually is at all lol but will read up now and get back with some feedback.
KP
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Im pretty sure when i went down for a poker comp in london the hotel prices were a hell of a lot cheaper than what ive spent in newcastle (but i went a little stupid with the room selction as i took the missus!) and birmingham due to the sheer number of them meaning more competion over prices.
Ive always wanted to check out the Vic and to be honest i just love london aswell!
As for the actual comp, I have to be honest i havent even looked at the full list of season 2 prospects so dont know what the buy in is for this or what it actually is at all lol but will read up now and get back with some feedback.
KP
Don"t build your hopes up...you"ll be really disappointed as I was!
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What were u disappointed with?
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For anyone that wants to play all of the events (who doesn"t live in/close to London), Blackpool just has to be a better option.
Well, I do want to play all the events (at least as many as I can) and I do live in/close to London..so, Blackpool isn"t a better option for me.
Wherever they site this it"s gonna be a trek for somebody. Let"s not forget that Rank/Grosvenor will have had a BIG say in where they want to hold things.
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For anyone that wants to play all of the events (who doesn"t live in/close to London), Blackpool just has to be a better option.
Well, I do want to play all the events (at least as many as I can) and I do live in/close to London..so, Blackpool isn"t a better option for me.
Wherever they site this it"s gonna be a trek for somebody. Let"s not forget that Rank/Grosvenor will have had a BIG say in where they want to hold things.
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I understand, "that Rank/Grosvenor will have had a BIG say in where they want to hold things." However, that doesn"t make it the best for choice for the APAT membership.
I live close enough to London that I can travel for any of the events that I want to play / manage to get to a seat in... in all of my comments on the proposals for season 2 I have tried to be unbiased and not purely thinking of myself.
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For anyone that wants to play all of the events (who doesn"t live in/close to London), Blackpool just has to be a better option.
Well, I do want to play all the events (at least as many as I can) and I do live in/close to London..so, Blackpool isn"t a better option for me.
Wherever they site this it"s gonna be a trek for somebody. Let"s not forget that Rank/Grosvenor will have had a BIG say in where they want to hold things.
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Nope, its the APAT tour and APAT decides which specific venues we hold our tournaments at. Blackpool and the Vic are both exceptional Grosvenor venues, and please bear in mind that the Vic will be able to cater for over two hundred players in a single sitting.
An important consideration is that this festival will be run in the month of APAT's second birthday and I felt the capital was due its first event. There will also be a number of runners from overseas and part of the attraction will be having a few days in London to see the sights.
There is also a huge amount of accomodation choice within an easy walk / bus / tube ride of the venue and APAT will look to do some deals with hotels closer to the events.
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Des,
Apologies if you"ve already answered this elsewhere, but will all the dates for the National events be published at, or near, the start of season two ?
Thanks.
Ian
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Des,
Apologies if you"ve already answered this elsewhere, but will all the dates for the National events be published at, or near, the start of season two ?
Thanks.
Ian
At the start of Season Two APAT will publish our tournament schedule showing the months that each event will fall into and their venues.
It is our intention to announce the specific details for two events at a time, so that players will always have the visibility of the "next event, and the one after that".
In addition I can tell you that it is our intention to hold the next European Amateur Championship outside of the UK during Easter 2008 and the World Amateur Championship Festival during the August Bank Holiday weekend 2008.
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Tinkerman, you"d not be claiming that poker is only played by people in the age group 25 to 35 would you ???
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I understand, "that Rank/Grosvenor will have had a BIG say in where they want to hold things."
OK, proved dead wrong on that one (again). Mea culpa.
However, that doesn"t make it the best for choice for the APAT membership....in all of my comments on the proposals for season 2 I have tried to be unbiased and not purely thinking of myself.
Yes sir, I believe that and I applaud anyone who is willing to get involved in (and for) the members.
I was merely expressing MY opinion on the subject because..
For anyone that wants to play all of the events (who doesn"t live in/close to London), Blackpool just has to be a better option.
...when thinking of the WHOLE membership, why exclude those who, through pure circumstance, happen to live in/near London.
Perhaps it"s not the ideal solution for the majority of the UK membership but Des has already covered his reasoning and, most, if not all, of the "issues" raised by others.
I believe that the points you have raised in this and your other posts will be covered along the way and, if felt appropriate by the APAT, adjustments can/will be made.
I have some issues with Season 2 (most of which you have already covered) but APAT is still only a fledgling in the nest.
Season 2 will be the test (IMHO) as to whether it can fly...
Season 3 is when it soars!
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Tinkerman, you"d not be claiming that poker is only played by people in the age group 25 to 35 would you ???
No, that is not the claim at all. The point of the statistic was that the distribution of population changed by age group and as such poker player distribution could be different.
I don't fit into this age group myself, but see many in this age group playing. Though of course all ages do play, I expect the more recent poker explosion has meant a larger concentration among the younger age group.
At the end of the day, the point was that you need to be careful about making decisions without fully understanding the dynamics of the situation.
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des has the vic got a new cardroom?
last time i was there they had people in 3 different areas at 2 different floors
the cost of london will put many people off playing the whole week
blackpool would of been so much cheaper (although for me the travel would be so much longer)
£139 for a hotel close by is a little steep for AMATEURS and when thats full its £200 a night and thats with an agency trying to get me a cheap room with the casinos help
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I understand your point Tinkerman.
I think we really need to look at this taking all the live National events into consideration.
An important consideration is that this festival will be run in the month of APAT's second birthday and I felt the capital was due its first event.
If the other National events are going to take place at various other locations around the UK/Ireland, as Des has intimated, then why shouldn"t the final "festival" take place in London ? It seems, to me, only fair.
Ok, so it may be a little more expensive for some of us, but there will always be some people (wherever an event is played) that will find an event more expensive than others.
I suspect that we may find a lot more picking and choosing of events this coming season, saving to play in specific events rather than trying to play them all.
Personally, although I dislike London or any city for that matter (I"m a simple country boy), I will be saving for the London event, even if it"s at the expense of one or two of the other National events.
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£139 for a hotel close by is a little steep for AMATEURS and when thats full its £200 a night and thats with an agency trying to get me a cheap room with the casinos help
Agreed..but, with respect, you have specific needs which are not required by the majority of players.
Hotel rooms can be found a lot cheaper a little further away from the Casino.
Certainly within a relatively short tube/bus/cab ride.
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Part of the adventure of APAT has to be the opportunity to explore areas of the country and casinos where players would not normally consider visiting. I can safely say that as one of the lucky ones to make each of the venues this year, we"ve had a blast.
Birmingham was the introduction to poker on the road, The Broadway was plush and friendly, travelling as part of a group ensured a laugh and the group had cashes in the supporting tournies.
2nd port of Call was Aspers in Newcastle, only hotel I"ve ever stayed in that had a bouncer in reception. Goerdies on a Saturday night out can only be described as mental. decent cash games, highlights making money on the poker pro tables and the £3 rebuy on Sunday night at Stanleys with a comp roast dinner at midnight.
3rd Cardiff would have been the quietest of them all except we stopped off in Bristol on the Friday night to play a challenge match with a sister poker group and the Saturday night cash game in the casino with everybody"s target sitting there with £3k on a £50 min table!!!
4th Edinburgh, really nice weekend but all the locals disappeared to other casinos leaving a dearth of cash games.
5th Ahh Dublin by far the best of the season so far, great craique and some of the liveliest cash games and tournies by far. Great dealers (best yet in my opinion) well run and great service. So much so we"re planning a long weekend return at the beginning of December.
All had their good and bad, the opportunity to visit meet and enjoy the local colour, getting to recognise and chat with regular "APAT rounders" in an atmosphere and environment that has led to players not lucky enough to get into the tourney just to come along for the ride. The social atmosphere is as important as the tourney, we are all developing our favourite players and will be supporting and encouraging each other. Won"t stop us wanting to take them down in the tourney and looking forward to our own cash and medals.
Looking forward to Luton with one reservation, bit hard to justify a hotel only 30 miles from home. So we"ll watch you all living it up and we"ll be the downcast locals.
A london game is a must as it is along with Belfast the only capital city in the British Isles not to have a game.
Hint make better friends with your London compatroits and who knows there may be spare beds and sofas to crash on.
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Visit the inlaws in holland every easter.
Amsterdam, Utrecht? for the europeans 2008????????
lol