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Poker Forum => Online Archive => Online Poker => National Online League => Topic started by: mike saban on February 01, 2009, 21:23:26 PM
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Is it just me or does anyone else find this structure super fast ?
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Not the APAT structure we know and love but fine for the league games IMO. Wouldn"t mind a longer structure for online nationals though.
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We can do anything with the structure that we like. Lets see what time the matches finish tonight and we"ll increase the play for the next round if players request. With so many players registering, ideally we should be finishing by midnight latest.
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Not the APAT structure we know and love but fine for the league games IMO. Wouldn"t mind a longer structure for online nationals though.
The Online Nationals now have the APAT Live National structure, with 12 minute blinds instead of 45. But the levels, antes etc, are now exactly as our live events.
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Seemed quick to me.
I think after the 1st break the average stack was only 10bb.
As Des says though a midnightish finish would be ideal.
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Not the APAT structure we know and love but fine for the league games IMO. Wouldn"t mind a longer structure for online nationals though.
The Online Nationals now have the APAT Live National structure, with 12 minute blinds instead of 45. But the levels, antes etc, are now exactly as our live events.
Good news this. I hadn"t spotted the post which mentioned this change to the structure.
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... But the levels, antes etc, are now exactly as our live events.
Antes on BlueSq? We have them now?
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I think that on our table after an hour we had 1 player with more than 17 rounds of poker left and all the rest had between 8 and 4. Having not really played for a year or so I"m not sure what you"re used to but it seemed to be getting to the shove fest real quick.
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... But the levels, antes etc, are now exactly as our live events.
Antes on BlueSq? We have them now?
Yep, if you want to warm your heart, take a look at the Blue Square Info page in the lobby of the APAT Online Welsh Championship. The structure is outstanding imo.
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Hey Des .. i trust you are well.
Congratulations on Season III
Think the league ideal is fantastic and is getting members talking to each other more. Glad to see you are willing to review the structure depending on the outcome, so can I just say that I think it is way too quick. I felt it turned into a bt of a crapshoot straight after the first break when in 4th place, I only had 20 times the BB
Am sure you will as always make the right decision for APAT and the members, so whatever you decide, good luck
Woody
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I don"t think it was too fast but for quickness of blinds you need more chips or it turns into bingo.
I hit the nut flush and was moved to a new table virtually at the same time so don"t even know what beat me.
Finished 32 not great but its a starter for 10 I hope the others in the team do better than I did.
LOL ad1 jd I hate these cards
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just past first break and avg stack is 8BBs and its all in or fold already - yeah i think the structure it perhaps a little quick.
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Hey Des .. i trust you are well.
Congratulations on Season III
Think the league ideal is fantastic and is getting members talking to each other more. Glad to see you are willing to review the structure depending on the outcome, so can I just say that I think it is way too quick. I felt it turned into a bt of a crapshoot straight after the first break when in 4th place, I only had 20 times the BB
Am sure you will as always make the right decision for APAT and the members, so whatever you decide, good luck
Woody
Thanks Woody. Initial impressions suggests we can squeeze at least another hour of play in, and we will look very closely at it ahead of the next match. Hope to catch up soon.
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Agree the stucture needs to change. More chips or longer blinds doesnt really matter. Excellent idea though; really got the banter going and made the whole online thing more personal (or is that tribal).
Dave
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Maybe worth considering a starting stack of 3,000.
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$10 buy-in events aren"t something you want to spend all night playing though surely?
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What a rubbish tourney!!! After break became a bingo match not my sort of poker!!!!!!!!!
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Are there any $10 game anywhere on t"internet that aren"t a game of bingo after a couple of levels?
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actually, I think the structure is spot on.
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Are there any $10 game anywhere on t"internet that aren"t a game of bingo after a couple of levels?
Pokerstars Deepstacks
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Sorry for having an opinion M8. I didnt like the structure I thought it was rubbish!!!
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It did seem really really quick tbh.
I think maybe 15 min blinds would be about right.
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after 1st break becme push-fold poker
15 min blinds or 4000 starting chips please
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Thank god im not the only one who noticed it turned into a dunk fest after the first break!!! Just reminds me why I dont play on Blue Square much!!!
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think 12 big blinds would be fine, as des has said an early finish is needed as people have work in the morning... but it does get very push fold poker, so u need the luck
all in all though a fantastic idea and tourny, never been so bothered about a $10 tourni, local pride is at stake!
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... weirdest game of Bingo that I have ever played ...
Structure was okay - three hours is a good amount of time on a Sunday night for low stakes ...
Deeper stacks might be interesting ... more chance to play ... if this was to be done I would introduce antes to finish it in three hours ish.
Louis
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We"ve gone 18 levels for two matches and the third match is about to go into level 19. That would add one to two hours to the structure, if we go to 15 mins. We"ll definitely review though.
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2500 chips would be ok with 15 min blinds.... but would benefit greatly form addition on antes too.
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i meant 12 min blinds
what a clown! :P
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I thought it was too fast within the 1st hour and feel it would be better with 12 min blinds and a higher chip stack, thats my feelings anyways.
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We"ve gone 18 levels for two matches and the third match is about to go into level 19. That would add one to two hours to the structure, if we go to 15 mins. We"ll definitely review though.
great tournament idea, but at one stage im sitting ninth and only have about 13 bb, make one raise then fold and ur snookered. its not often i get pot committed with a preflop raise with 33, 10 min blinds is ok, 2500 is not to bad, but even maybe slow down the rate at whihc the blinds hop
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2500 chips would be ok with 15 min blinds.... but would benefit greatly form addition on antes too.
this for me. Chips are fine for a $10 tourney. The hands per hour on ipoker are much less than on some other sites so 10 min levels are more like a turbo.
Game was good fun though
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LOL ad1 jd I hate these cards
Same hand I hate, got knocked out in 104th with them against AA and q3 suited that hit trips on the flop and with 2 diamonds on the flop was hoping to hit the flush but unfortunately it never happened.
Think it never went round the table once with ever one posting at least one small blind and big blind before the levers had gone up???
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... pre flop raise with 33 is interesting ...
How many people actually got knocked out in the first hour?
It seems very very low to me ... players were conservative which means you almost have to get to a "crapshoot" ... though I didn"t think the structure was any more of a "crapshoot" then the end of the Blue Square $50k game final table ... (another story)
Is there a way to have a prize for the player who knocks out the most people in the season? That might encourage some action?
How slow would people have it?
Louis
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I certainly seemed to be shovemonkeying earlier than normal!
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Adding extra starting chips will make little difference. Even doubling them will only extend the comp by 2 or 3 levels tops.
I"d actually prefer 1500 chips with a 20 min clock, or something like that, the blind raises on iPoker are quite sharp - I think something that mirrors the Stars 180 man SNG structure would be reasonable for a league game.
I know it"s a $10 tournie on a Sunday evening, so shouldn"t expect too much, but APAT has always strived to be different from the norm, so I hope it"s tinkered with to good effect!
Congrats to everyone who played, cashed and scored :)
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... from my memory of Pokerstars you get a little less time to act but with a "Time" clock ... maybe that would work?
Overall I think it is a very good format.
Louis
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... pre flop raise with 33 is interesting ...
How many people actually got knocked out in the first hour?
It seems very very low to me ... players were conservative which means you almost have to get to a "crapshoot" ... though I didn"t think the structure was any more of a "crapshoot" then the end of the Blue Square $50k game final table ... (another story)
Is there a way to have a prize for the player who knocks out the most people in the season? That might encourage some action?
How slow would people have it?
Louis
i was on the button with 10k blinds 400/800 made it 2400 to go and bb shoved so 3600 in middle before his shove had put him on ax kg type hand. got that wrong. i called and he had jj. at that stage i was doing well, and yeh normally i would have folded but i felt that with stucture to make to final table i had to risk in all on a potential coin flip. does that explain the play any better? or maybe the third beer turned me into a donkey lol
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I did feel I got short real fast. Don"t think should increase starting stack, it"s fine... Just maybe alter the blind times by even 2 minutes, I think even that would make a good bit of difference...
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As with most things there must be a starting format that you either stick with or evaluate & move forward from, the 2,500 staring stack & 10mins blind does not allow for creative play & does suit the more aggressive loose player, where as a deeper stack & longer blinds would suit the more tight conservative player.
After reading the comments posted it looks like we need to find a more happy medium, I would like to suggest just increasing the blinds to 15mins with a starting stack of 3,000 chips & starting at 7pm for starters
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Too quick for my liking but think this was caused more by the conservative nature of the game rather than the structure.
More chips would make no difference imo. 15 min clock ftw.
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I certainly seemed to be shovemonkeying earlier than normal!
I thought the structure was perfect. Was there a level 2?
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It was fast and furious and great fun. Was it too fast? I think yes. Our tournament was concluded around 11pm. I pushed with :as: ks and was insta called by 4d 4s who made trips on the flop. It became a crapshoot very early. I thought the end of season 2 series with the bounties was a better structure. Definately should be tweaked.
Sorry that was me, you were short and I was stacked. Thats my defence. I did give them away tho if thats any consolation.
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Animal Magic has mentioned this already but I too would favour an earlier start such as 7pm to compensate for the tournament lasting longer if the structure is to be changed as many people seem to want.
Peronally, I had Kings cracked by tens around level 3/4 so have no 1st hand opinion.
The comp is still fun and should be a good league, but a change seems a popular request.
GL all
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I made it deep and the whole top 20 seemed to be 19 of them c 10 BBs or less, and it was push/fold well before then. Certainly seemed very fast.
Due to time with 100+ runners maybe 15 min blinds not possible - but certainly 12 would make a difference. :)
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7pm Start, 3K chips and 15 min blinds sounds about the best suggestion so far IMO.
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7pm Start, 3K chips and 15 min blinds sounds about the best suggestion so far IMO.
+1 (and antes please)
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Yes, + Antes, after 1st or 2nd break?
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It was fast and furious and great fun. Was it too fast? I think yes. Our tournament was concluded around 11pm. I pushed with :as: ks and was insta called by 4d 4s who made trips on the flop. It became a crapshoot very early. I thought the end of season 2 series with the bounties was a better structure. Definately should be tweaked.
Sorry that was me, you were short and I was stacked. Thats my defence. I did give them away tho if thats any consolation.
;D ;D ;D
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lets make it a deepstack 10k most people from ta up north dont ave jobs anyway so dont ave ta get up apart from ta feed the kestrel :as: 4s da nuts :-*
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Definately was to fast. I play the blue sq league and there blind structure is 15 mins. makes a better game of it.
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its not the length of clock or chipstacks that is the problem, it is the increments of the blinds that are far too steep. I have found this with the limited number of BlueSquare tourneys i have played so far.
at the end of the day it is the same for everyone though.
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NO IT ISNT
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does this forum have the option to do a poll?
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does this forum have the option to do a poll?
We don"t need a poll - Des will do the right thing, and whatever result is issued, it will be the right result and for the right reasons.
(jeez that sounds so crawly)
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how about starting sunday after noon .i would prefer a 3 , 4 o clock start .
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how about starting sunday after noon .i would prefer a 3 , 4 o clock start .
less chance of being stellared at 3 o clock? ;D
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Maybe 6 pm would be more suitable?
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what about 7pm start...15 min levels..3k stack and small antes after 1st hour??
Seems to be collection of all above!!!
current format seemed too quick after 1st hour..
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Yep Yep Yep
As the great Hugh Cornwell says "Somethin Better Change". Still enjoyed it though, but felt after one unfortunate Broadway getting rivered by a flush that I was left with no play but push or fold........and that was before the first break :o
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Imho this tournie was a cr@p shoot and not up to the normally high standard of structure normally put in place by APAT.
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7pm Start time
3k Stack
12 Min Clock
Antes at the first level after the break
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sounds good to me!!
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7pm Start time
3k Stack
12 Min Clock
Antes at the first level after the break
+1
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+1 :"(
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Gets my vote
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Gets my vote
you cant vote if we dont have a poll :D
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7pm start,too early imo.
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Wont suit a lot i guess. I thought there was room to improve the structure and keep the 8pm start. ???
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keep it at same starting time, with either an extra 500 chips or an extra 2-5 min blinds or keep as is but introduce another level early doors imo.
not knocking the apat management, great idea but these little tweaks would make it better. At the end of the day would rather outplay everybody else on our way to the title than just luckbox it :)
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nothing to do with that prob be stellared n e way lol
its i have a live game on sunday night an have to take lappy with me an play both!
If started earlier would occasionally be out early so wouldnt have to take lappy!!please start 5 or earlier please please please lol !!
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nothing to do with that prob be stellared n e way lol
its i have a live game on sunday night an have to take lappy with me an play both!
If started earlier would occasionally be out early so wouldnt have to take lappy!!please start 5 or earlier please please please lol !!
Steve, it that "lappy" or should it be "lippy". Is your secret out?
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imo the 8start is better suited to get the max number of players. I think you can slow it dramatically down, but only if there is an inclusion of antes, which will almost certainly improve the game (god bless antes)!! I think 8pm start, 4k chips, 12min blinds and kick in antes after level 5!
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I thought the structure was fine... some people are never happy!!
[ ] Change the structure.
[X] Keep it as it is.
There, we"ve had a vote.
;D
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I thought the structure was fine... some people are never happy!!
[ ] Change the structure.
[X] Keep it as it is.
There, we"ve had a vote.
;D
lol the majority of players were V unhappy with structure = crapshoot
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I thought the structure was fine... some people are never happy!!
[ ] Change the structure.
[X] Keep it as it is.
There, we"ve had a vote.
;D
lol the majority of players were V unhappy with structure = crapshoot
You obviously missed the hint of irony/sarcasm in my post? :D
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=2377.msg45833#msg45833 - will reveal all.
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As it turned out, the structure was too slow!
I dont think that 47 players coming back for Day 2 was the plan.
A bit of tweaking to the Antes might be in order.
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As it turned out, the structure was too slow!
I dont think that 47 players coming back for Day 2 was the plan.
A bit of tweaking to the Antes might be in order.
Wrong thread? But while we are on the subject drop the 500-1000 level imo job done.
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is it going to be adjusted then?????
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13 min blinds excellent
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Is there going to be a third level tonight then?
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Is there going to be a third level tonight then?
Probably not for you, Daniel ;D
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Is there going to be a third level tonight then?
Probably not for you, Daniel ;D
I thought that was a flaw with the structure last week.
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Structure seems a lot better tonight sofar, thanks for listening and adjusting
Mike
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Agreed. The introduction of a break this week is much appreciated.
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Agreed. The introduction of a break this week is much appreciated.
there was a break?
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Agreed. The introduction of a break this week is much appreciated.
there was a break?
Blimey - these things have TWO breaks!
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I see we"re back to 10 min blind levels???
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Yeah jusr noticed that to! that is not so good I thought it worked great last time with the longer level? hope it get changed!!
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Agreed. Have we reverted back to the terrible structure? I received many complaints about it after the first game and I think it put a few new APAT members off. Thats a shame.
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Unfortunately due to an admin mistake, the league game has been setup with the original structure. Once players start regging, it is not possible to change it.
Trust us, normal service will be resumed for Matchday 4.
Sorry guys, hope it doesn"t dampen spirits too much, I think we all agreed that the changes made to the structure were good, and we will be sticking with those in the future.
Leigh
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Unfortunately due to an admin mistake, the league game has been setup with the original structure. Once players start regging, it is not possible to change it.
Trust us, normal service will be resumed for Matchday 4.
Sorry guys, hope it doesn"t dampen spirits too much, I think we all agreed that the changes made to the structure were good, and we will be sticking with those in the future.
Leigh
tut tut!! ::)
;D
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Yes, Blue Square have mistakingly set the wrong clock and we will be communicating this very strongly to them on Monday. Apologies to all club players.
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Yes, Blue Square have mistakingly set the wrong clock and we will be communicating this very strongly to them on Monday. Apologies to all club players.
The structure was the main reason for my non-appearance. What should it have been?
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Yes, Blue Square have mistakingly set the wrong clock and we will be communicating this very strongly to them on Monday. Apologies to all club players.
The structure was the main reason for my non-appearance. What should it have been?
Yes I agree blind structure much too fast. This was only my second appearance due to aol problems previously . I had virtually no cards for the first three blind levels. Then within half hour ( about 24 hands) found myself raising with 77 in mid position and then pushing on the flop even with an ace on the board .