Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: 2make1whole on February 03, 2009, 16:12:54 PM
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16 players starting chip stack 5000 £12 entry 1st place £150 2nd £10 down to 9 players im sat on 4 handed table on the button
my hand js jc i raise to 1800 with a 13000 chip stack
the sb goes all in 8k
the bb instantly calls 8k with 4k left behind him which is around what i have aswell
WHAT IS UR PLAY?
I GET TO SEE THE FLOP AND THEIR CARDS AS 1 MAN ALL IN AND CALLER SO I`LL POST THEIR HANDS AFTER GET VIEWS
i have only played about 8 hands on this table as recently got moved to it,knocked 1 player out with 44 i called a low stacks all in.
so have no real reads on these players at all only the sb has supposedly won $60k online once.in mtt
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I"d Imagine that you have to fold this here -
Small Blind has quite big range - So if it was Heads up against them - you"d have to call - but as the BB calls the all in he prob has a pair or Big Cards AJ+ poss big Pair! so you cant call - that is too weak - you move in and your JJ shrinks in value against two other players as the BB has to call (pot committed) - so I would fold - Hope the BB Hand Holds up to knock out the SB
live to fight with a larger stack at what now i presume is the Final Table - I assume the BB is about 600 as you raised to 1800 - still plenty of play with a 13k stack at an 8 handed table! a better spot will come!
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FOLD
Simple.
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FOLD
Simple.
exactly what i was going to put.
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I"d be folding as well, plenty of chips left behind.
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obvious shove here, they both turn over AK and you would have won.
in reality....fold
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get away from JJ relatively unscathed --- FOLD
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What are the blinds, 300/600? Is it £100 for 2nd? Your OP says £10.
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the sb has supposedly won $60k online once.in mtt
this should have no bearing on the hand!!
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What are the blinds, 300/600? Is it £100 for 2nd? Your OP says £10.
This.
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instant fold for me,,as stated earlier,,against 1 player i am calling,against 2,no way
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agree fold
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I agree with everyone else who said fold! Same reasons Big Blind insta-call representing a big hand! Live to fight another day and you haven"t really lost that many chips.
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I"d probably shove it all-in to be honest. Essentially this is going to be your remaining 11,200 (13,000- 1,800) to win 21,800 (SB"s 8,000, BB"s 12,000 assume he"s pot committed - and your initial raise of 1,800) so nearly a 2/1. There"s only QQ, KK, AA that beat you, anything else you"re in great shape. Even if they HAVE one of those three over-pairs you"ll suck out on them 20% of the time anyhoo.
Granted I"m factoring into this decision that"s it"s a £12 buy-in and only two places get paid. I assume the blinds are 15-20 minutes? If you win this pot you knock two players out plus the chips you have now will give you license to steal anything not tied down...so indirectly it"s a potential pot of even more than 21,800. You only live once man, shove it in... BANZAI DANIEL SAN!!!
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What are the blinds, 300/600? Is it £100 for 2nd? Your OP says £10.
no its £10 for 2nd 1st place is a ticket into another round worth £150 so its all top heavy on prizes
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ty for all ur comments i folded
the sb showed :as: td
the instant call bb showed qc ks ???
the flop ad1 jd 8c nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
i would have won
thank you for all ur comments
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I"d probably shove it all-in to be honest. Essentially this is going to be your remaining 11,200 (13,000- 1,800) to win 21,800 (SB"s 8,000, BB"s 12,000 assume he"s pot committed - and your initial raise of 1,800) so nearly a 2/1. There"s only QQ, KK, AA that beat you, anything else you"re in great shape. Even if they HAVE one of those three over-pairs you"ll suck out on them 20% of the time anyhoo.
Granted I"m factoring into this decision that"s it"s a £12 buy-in and only two places get paid. I assume the blinds are 15-20 minutes? If you win this pot you knock two players out plus the chips you have now will give you license to steal anything not tied down...so indirectly it"s a potential pot of even more than 21,800. You only live once man, shove it in... BANZAI DANIEL SAN!!!
Woooo hooo me. I"m best.
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Againts two players with these specific hands the JJ will only win <40% regardless of the Flop!
So IMO Fold for reasons stated earlier!
Of course you could shove and then flop a set as you would have - but you made the right decison at this time! (preflop)
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Againts two players with these specific hands the JJ will only win <40% regardless of the Flop!
So IMO Fold for reasons stated earlier!
Of course you could shove and then flop a set as you would have - but you made the right decison at this time! (preflop)
There"s more to a hand of poker than just that one probability calculation though isn"t there. Reducing poker to a few calculations is quite depressing really. It"s a good guide but it doesn"t mean it"s the only piece of information you should base your decision on.
I think there"s an over reliance on the mathematics of poker hands. Probably a consequence of playing online too much. Sometimes it"s worth gambling even when the odds don"t appear to be in your favour if other factors compensate for the unfavourable odds.
You"ve got to add a bit sauce to your game is what I"m syaing, that"s what my gran always used to tell me when I"d sit by the fire place on a cold winters evening. We won the war cause we had more sauce than Hitler she"d tell me. Of course she had dementia and was kept chained to a radiator at the home they kept her in for her sake as well as ours, but I still agree with her.
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LOL :D. I agree! Good luck tonight, but I think the mighty Blues will prevail.
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LOL :D. I agree! Good luck tonight, but I think the mighty Blues will prevail.
Was that aimed at me or a previous poster? I"m a Gooner.
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Oh sorry I thought you were a koppite. :-\
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LOL :D. I agree! Good luck tonight, but I think the mighty Blues will prevail.
Was that aimed at me or a previous poster? I"m a Gooner.
I"m a gooner too!!!
I understand that there is a need to gamble - but I would find a better spot!!
Arshavin?? he better be worth the Aggro!
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LOL :D. I agree! Good luck tonight, but I think the mighty Blues will prevail.
Was that aimed at me or a previous poster? I"m a Gooner.
I"m a gooner too!!!
I understand that there is a need to gamble - but I would find a better spot!!
Arshavin?? he better be worth the Aggro!
A 28 year old who hasn"t played for 2 months wasn"t the answer I"d have come up with for this season"s problems, but I still trust Arsene Wenger. Reminds me a bit of Tomas Rosicky though; promising player, bit of a mess trying to get him over here, played a couple of games then disappeared off the face of the Earth.
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LOL :D. I agree! Good luck tonight, but I think the mighty Blues will prevail.
Was that aimed at me or a previous poster? I"m a Gooner.
I"m a gooner too!!!
I understand that there is a need to gamble - but I would find a better spot!!
Arshavin?? he better be worth the Aggro!
A 28 year old who hasn"t played for 2 months wasn"t the answer I"d have come up with for this season"s problems, but I still trust Arsene Wenger. Reminds me a bit of Tomas Rosicky though; promising player, bit of a mess trying to get him over here, played a couple of games then disappeared off the face of the Earth.
i think wenger has lost the plot imo. van persie plays in arshavins position...where is your centre mid that can dominate and tackle, your defenders that can, well, defend!
back on the subject in hand, i think it depends on how you feel at the table, if you feel you can outplay the players then that and the math ( i think it is closer to 35%) then fold. if not then it is a good spot to get lucky, as the prizes were top heavy
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With such a top-heavy payout you very much have to play for 1st and this is a very good spot to more than double up. Yes, there"s a decent chance you bust here but it terms of equity it is almost definitely a +EV shove since you"re miles ahead of SBs range and probably slightly ahead of BBs range also (I think 88+, AT+, KQ is not unreasonable).
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So.........who won?
JJ hate it, the hand that"s got me busted more often than any other 2 starting cards. Good fold IMO
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So.........who won?
JJ hate it, the hand that"s got me busted more often than any other 2 starting cards. Good fold IMO
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So.........who won?
JJ hate it, the hand that"s got me busted more often than any other 2 starting cards. Good fold IMO
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Yeah but did QK improve to beat the ace that paired? Guess not, but it is poker so anything"s possible ;D
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fold all day long.. if it were one person I may think about the call but not 2!
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ty for all ur comments i folded
the sb showed :as: td
the instant call bb showed qc ks ???
the flop ad1 jd 8c nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
i would have won
thank you for all ur comments
You may have won on that occasion, but usually you will be against 4 over cards at best, not to mention an overpair... How many times do you see flops and go I would have won that with the 7 3 os I folded. Poker is about decisions and u made the right one imo....
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Ouch :D Just busted a guys aces with my 2 red jacks on a Betfair cash table. Serial raiser raises my BB I re-riase he reraises again & i call (know should folded but hey, it worked :-[ ) Flop came Qh 6h 3h, me to bet out, all in and instacalled. He has the aces and has my heart covered to boot. blank on turn, Jc on river. ;D