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Poker Forum => General Discussion => Member Blogs => Topic started by: Chipaccrual on May 18, 2009, 11:18:00 AM
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The title should be fairly self explanatory, but let me tell you how this came about.
It started as a chat on MSN about finding the time to play poker around the rest of your life and the most suitable games to fit in with that. Luky suggested 6/8 seater STT's were most suited to his circumstances. Chip made the point that these do not have a massive return unless you are going to play volume and suggested Luky play the Double Shootouts on PS ($10.70 + $1) that normally have between 40-70 runners during the week. Therefore beat 4-7 players, make FT, better chance of winning seat ($215), cash it in for T$'s, job done. Win a seat, 1 in 20 and you just about break even. Worth a shot ?
So, the challenge was set. We'd play 10 each and split the winnings/losses and review after this. Chip got off to a flyer, winning a seat in his 2nd game. Luky was finding his feet, then in game 7 it all came good . And again in game 8. So, by game 10 for us both, this was the position :-
Games Played = 20
Cost = $234
Won = $645
So, onward and upward we trek, towards 20 games each.
Chip doesn't really want to talk about the next ten games, illness and variance means it's blanked from his memory. Luky, however, was running like a machine, picking his spots and getting in ahead most times. He picked up another seat and a couple of cashes. So, by game 20 for us both, this was the position :-
Games Played = 40
Cost = $468
Won = $915
Okay, so this is working well, at least one of us is winning and on a hand review, Chip's exit hands are significantly down to variance. For those of a more strategic mind, you may well question this logic, but due to the structure of these tournaments, sometimes it can just come down to winning a 50/50 or 60/40. If you don't win your fair share, it does hurt your stats quite badly.
So, where do we go from here ?
Well, we both have agreed that sharing the variance is good, having someone else focused on your results and railing, does help, so let's open this up.
We have a bit of a bankroll, so let's see where we can get it to, or back to zero where we started. ;D
Any tourney, any site, any buy-in. We'll post on here as we go along.
We will both carry on playing poker with our own bankrolls, but we will also play set games with the joint bankroll and share the highs, lows, cashes and most importantly, variance.
GL to us.
Luky & Chip
Further Blogs available in this series include :-
Luky and Chip bust a bankroll
Luky and Chip don't speak anymore
Luky and Chip, where it all went wrong
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I"m Luky
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I like this idea!!
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Looking forward to this one. Bets of luck Lads!
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Good luck chiefs.
Anything which forces discipline is good ...
L
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don"t forget you can trade T$ for cash if you wish.............
http://www.psdollars.com/
goes straight into your stars account................... T$915 = $888 cash
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Chip is back
Played 4 tourneys this morning, FT"d 3 and got 1 seat. I feel I"m doing my bit for the pot now, and not just taking all the negative variance. ;D
Also playing a $33 tourney. In the cash 10/32.
A good day to start this blog me thinks. ;D
EDIT: Finished 17th in $33.
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Luky is the definition of consistency
Played 3 tourneys this morning, FT"d all 3 and managed to cash for $16.50.
Chips in ahead in all three aswell ( It"s true, I was railing )
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Look forward to reading this. GL you two!
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Keep it going -- looking forward to the posts
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Fantastic idea Leigh/Neil, looking forward to the future posts.
Can"t believe you didn"t call it fish and chip. ;D
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don"t forget you can trade T$ for cash if you wish.............
http://www.psdollars.com/
goes straight into your stars account................... T$915 = $888 cash
u can get near on 99.5% on 2+2, best time to sell near the wsop etc.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61/mtt-community/w-t-marketplace-v9-0-buy-sell-w-t-here-291728/
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Nice concept guys.
I"m going to try some DC sats as well.
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don"t forget you can trade T$ for cash if you wish.............
http://www.psdollars.com/
goes straight into your stars account................... T$915 = $888 cash
u can get near on 99.5% on 2+2, best time to sell near the wsop etc.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61/mtt-community/w-t-marketplace-v9-0-buy-sell-w-t-here-291728/
yep also a good way to sell .. if you selling over $1000 to PSdollars you can negotiate with them for a higher rate,i"ve managed 99.6 but that was just before wsop... 2+2 mods luv buying T$ W$ :)
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Further Blogs available in this series include :-
Luky and Chip bust a bankroll
Luky and Chip don't speak anymore
Luky and Chip, where it all went wrong
LOL..... good luck guys and well played so far...... just hope the Blog series doesn"t go as suggested ;)
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Thanks for the support Folks. We look forward to making this a Blog worth following.
Further Blogs available in this series include :-
Luky and Chip bust a bankroll
Luky and Chip don't speak anymore
Luky and Chip, where it all went wrong
LOL..... good luck guys and well played so far...... just hope the Blog series doesn"t go as suggested ;)
As for ::) , Zanshin and I have busto"d many a bankroll together and we still talk :) Maybe it"ll be Leigh who"ll dismiss me :-[
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Have just pulled together the numbers from our first few weeks played.
We have mainly been playing the Double Shootout tourneys to the Million or Warm Up (Winner from first table goes through to Final Table and usually seats for top 2/3 and a bit of cash for places after)
Tournaments Entered = 66
Heads Up on 1st table = 20
Final Tables reached = 16
Minor Cashes = 3
Seats Won = 5
Been talking to Neil about these numbers and we cannot believe we have won 16/20 Heads Up on 1st tables. Wow. ;D
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GL guys this sounds great, looking forward to see how you progress
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I played a couple and won one seat. might have to try a few more of these
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great stuff lads.. look forward to reading this one.
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Best of luck gents. I enjoy a good love story :)
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Best of luck gents. I enjoy a good love story :)
Is Iain not joining for the threesome? :o
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I played a couple and won one seat. might have to try a few more of these
Great. Just great.
Our stats get blown out of the water on day one. ;D
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wow, keep this up, sounds great
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I played a couple and won one seat. might have to try a few more of these
Great. Just great.
Our stats get blown out of the water on day one. ;D
have played another 2 with no more tourney dollars added...if that makes you feel better ;D
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No games for me today due to work commitments ( Blatant brag post, I know ;D )
I believe Luky has added to the stats, will leave him to update.
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have played another 2 with no more tourney dollars added...if that makes you feel better ;D
It does a bit! ;D
Yeah, this morning was good ... afternoon normal sh!te ... and 1 cash from 1 played tonight whilst railing Ger.
6 played, one $215 seat this morning and a $35 cash for 6th tonight.
$250 won minus the $70.20 invested for $179.80 profit.
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and 1 cash from 1 played tonight whilst railing Ger.
your advice was much appreciated
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and 1 cash from 1 played tonight whilst railing Ger.
your advice was much appreciated
WTF...... we"re meant to listen to his advice.... feck that"s where I"ve been going wrong ;-)
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As I mentioned earlier, it"s been difficult to play much this week. Neil seems to have adopted the early morning shift where there is actually a bit of an overlay on these tourneys (2 seats gtd). That has seen some success, but does mean he sometimes has no railer.
This morning he admitted that he was tilting a bit. ;D
And possibly played one hand a bit rashly and that saw his exit in that particular tournament. I actually apologised to him for not being about to support. I am a nice guy really. ;D
He has now got a few tournaments ahead of me, so I will need to put a good session in over the weekend to play catch up. (And balance that off with girlfriends birthday on monday)
Life is one big juggling act. ;D
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just in one, and i have made the last table gl to me
time for some stats;
Tournaments Entered = 1
Heads Up on 1st table = 1
Final Tables reached = 1
Minor Cashes = 0
Seats Won = 0
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After some beginners luck I now have
Tournaments Entered = 9
Heads Up on 1st table = 3
Final Tables reached = 1
Minor Cashes = 0
Seats Won = 1
terrible run of 5 losses last night 4 of them where I was sucked out by a dominated Ace. This is rare for me because I can normally expect to get them in behind most of the time ;D
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Good to get your updates guys ...
I played 1 yesterday and won nowt. I played a $13 10 player SnG when I only had an hour or so to play and took it down for $67.50. That covered my 5 $11.70 losses today where I didn"t even sniff a FT :( I was tilting pretty bad after the 3rd one today and in the 4th game shoved OTT of the table idiot with AQo on a 853 board. It felt right (despite seeing him hit EVERYTHING before) ... the 88 in his hand was no surprise really.
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Nice idea guys, all the best with this.
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It doesn"t happen very often, but occasionally we can end up on the same starting table. It"s happened twice so far. The first time we both got to the last three and somehow managed to let the other player make it through.
The second time has just happened. On this occasion we got heads up.
PokerStars Game #28483983453: Tournament #163899822, $10.70+$1.00 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level VI (100/200) - 2009/05/22 12:45:53 WET [2009/05/22 7:45:53 ET]
Table "163899822 9" 10-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: lukybugur (2174 in chips)
Seat 2: Chipaccrual (6826 in chips)
Chipaccrual: posts small blind 100
lukybugur: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chipaccrual [4d 4h]
Chipaccrual: raises 400 to 600
lukybugur: raises 1200 to 1800
Chipaccrual: raises 1600 to 3400
lukybugur: calls 374 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1226) returned to Chipaccrual
*** FLOP *** [qs js 9s]
*** TURN *** [qs js 9s] [kd]
*** RIVER *** [qs qs 9s kd] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lukybugur: shows [:as: ac] (a pair of Aces)
Chipaccrual: shows [4d 4h] (three of a kind, Fours)
Chipaccrual collected 4348 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4348 | Rake 0
Board [qs js 9s kd 4c]
Seat 1: lukybugur (big blind) showed [ :as: ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: Chipaccrual (button) (small blind) showed [4d 4h] and won (4348) with three of a kind, Fours
BINKETY, BINK, BINK. Only one card will stop the double up. And there it is. ;D
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Spawny ba$tard!
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Obviously, there is now huge pressure on me winning a seat from the final table. ;D
It does make me think though that the money is a bit of a side issue and the real challenge is who has the best heads up and final table stats from this venture. Luky -1, Chip +1 ;D
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BINK!!
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Quality fellas -
Nice bink on the end there Chip.
I think your right though - it has gone from luky and Chip build a roll - to luky and ship competing to see who can win the most seats!!
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Chip jests about that. I know he doesn"t feel like we are competing against each other.
He"s gettin his a$$ kicked anyway ... I"m just glad he can have his day in the sun with his miracle bink earlier. :)
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These stats come courtesy of our resident accountant (Chip)
Games Played = 92
HU made on 1st Table = 32 (35%)
FT"s made = 24 (26%)
Cashes = 13 (14%)
Seat = 6 (7%)
Total Cost = $1076.40
Total Winnings = $1512.00
ROI = 40.47%
I played two live events yesterday with 50% of the BuyIn covered by the joint fund of this venture (£20 + £15). No cashes.
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Thought I may as well join the fun
Tournaments entered 1
Heads Up on 1st table 1
Final tables reached 1
Minor cash 0
Seats won 1
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Played two this morning, the 07:50 with overlay so only two seats available. I got 3rd after 70 mins of play and won $0! I was raised off many a pot 3 handed when trying to steal with the shyte I was getting.
Key hands from chip lead to busto were; 88 raise PF, three overcards on flop, I c-bet and get shoved on; KJs raise it PF, A on flop and SB shoves; and TJo, all low board so I shove OTT of SBs bet, he tanks then calls with bottom pair which holds. All standard stuff really but I"m gutted and tilting to the extent that I think I CAN manage not to play for a couple of days. I have lots of work on again and a golf tourney running all this week (if I qualify for the latter stages tonight). Let"s hope golf gods are kinder than poker gods today.
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good luck with the golf!
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have played a few more
Tournaments Entered = 28
Heads Up on 1st table = 10
Final Tables reached = 6
Minor Cashes = 0
Seats Won = 3
ROI = 96.9%
I know I"ve only played a handful but these look a great way to build a roll. Great spot guys
Have to say though there is no point cashing in the tourney $ for a slight loss. Just use them to play other tourneys and STTs and cash out the cash made from them...if you have to!!
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Well done Rob, keep it up.
good luck with the golf!
Managed to qualify for the handi-side in pretty horrendous conditions. It was a non-counter last night at St. Nicholas as only 7 of us (from 42 runners) shot in the 70s. Onto Old Prestwick now on Thursday night.
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have played a few more
Tournaments Entered = 28
Heads Up on 1st table = 10
Final Tables reached = 6
Minor Cashes = 0
Seats Won = 3
ROI = 96.9%
I know I"ve only played a handful but these look a great way to build a roll. Great spot guys
Have to say though there is no point cashing in the tourney $ for a slight loss. Just use them to play other tourneys and STTs and cash out the cash made from them...if you have to!!
Fantastic ROI there, gl with it.
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It"s been a quiet poker week for me. Managed to play a few tournaments yesterday and have gone back to playing standard MTT"s. I decided I didn"t want to sit down at the Fitz on the weekend thinking I needed to beat the table in front of me to move onto the FT. (Although, there"s a thought for speeding up the weekend ;D )
Managed to finish 221st out of 2898 for a small cash for the bankroll. Luky spent the afternoon on the golf course. He never mentioned how he got on, so I am assuming the swing requires some work. ;D
This morning, he was back on the winning trail, picking up another seat in the Double Shootouts. He"s completely outshining me at the moment.
Unfortunately, just myself making the trip over to Dublin this weekend, Neil is spending quality time with Mrs Luky. ;D
This will most probably involve playing poker and keeping updated with the APAT tourney on the forum.
Actually, on that point, I was playing a tourney the other day that Neil was railing. He mentioned in the chat that "we" were keeping an eye on my play. I said "Who"s we ?". He said "Me and Jules".
Does anyone elses partners sit with them whilst they are railing someone else ?
I had this picture of Neil and Jules sat around this monitor in the middle of nowhere (well it is Scotland) watching the cards and bets. I understand she is a better player than him, so was probably explaining to him what was going on. ;D
So , last weekend the Luky and Chip roadshow (minus Chip) went to Glasgow to play live, this weekend (minus Luky) we hit Dublin. May the Guiness flow plenty, the cards be kind and I win more than Neil. ;D
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Getting my Missus to listen to my latest Bad Beat, without switching off is hard enough, getting her to look at a monitor with cards on is impossible!! If it was the shopping channel, now thats a different thing altogether :D
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Oh so much to respond to here ...
It"s been a quiet poker week for me. Managed to play a few tournaments yesterday and have gone back to playing standard MTT"s. I decided I didn"t want to sit down at the Fitz on the weekend thinking I needed to beat the table in front of me to move onto the FT. (Although, there"s a thought for speeding up the weekend ;D )
Managed to finish 221st out of 2898 for a small cash for the bankroll. Luky spent the afternoon on the golf course. He never mentioned how he got on, so I am assuming the swing requires some work. ;D
Nah, despite losing last night at 4th play-off hole my swing is good atm. Just a couple more tweaks ...
This morning, he was back on the winning trail, picking up another seat in the Double Shootouts. He"s completely outshining me at the moment.
Cream always comes to the top ;)
Unfortunately, just myself making the trip over to Dublin this weekend, Neil is spending quality time with Mrs Luky. ;D This will most probably involve playing poker and keeping updated with the APAT tourney on the forum.
Nope, no poker for me this weekend but I will be keeping updated with events from Dublin on the laptop whilst basking in the HeatWave.
Actually, on that point, I was playing a tourney the other day that Neil was railing. He mentioned in the chat that "we" were keeping an eye on my play. I said "Who"s we ?". He said "Me and Jules".
Does anyone elses partners sit with them whilst they are railing someone else ?
I had this picture of Neil and Jules sat around this monitor in the middle of nowhere (well it is Scotland) watching the cards and bets. I understand she is a better player than him, so was probably explaining to him what was going on. ;D
She isn"t better than me (she has her moments in home games) and she really only likes poker when she sees me winning or playing in my most focused state. She is a good sounding board for my bad beat tales (of which there are many) and is as supportive of my hobbies (poker and golf) as you can get. Supportive enough that for Christmas I got permission in advance to have 4 weekends away without her.
We only watch poker together if someone we know is running well. She just gets caught up in my excitement for others really.
So , last weekend the Luky and Chip roadshow (minus Chip) went to Glasgow to play live, this weekend (minus Luky) we hit Dublin. May the Guiness flow plenty, the cards be kind and I win more than Neil. ;D
The Roadshow last week was unfruitful with 50% of the BuyIns coming from this joint fund (£35 down). It was a sober affair ... maybe that"s where I went wrong :-[
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Well, it was all going so well up to the dinner break. Without getting involved in anything really major, I had built a stack up to around 24k.
I then lost a few small pots after dinner and made a major error in a hand that cost me half my stack. On a board of Q T 6 T 6, I had been chasing a flush draw and open ended straight draw and then decided to bet out this scary board on the river. I got called by Richard Hinds holding AQ and that dented me considerably. A great call though.
I short while later and the same player has raised to 2100 on the button, in the big blindm I"ve got AJ and shove my 6.5k in the middle. Richard says "How do I get myself into these spots" as he"s already counting out the chips. I thought I was in a spot of bother. Neither wanted to show their hands and as the flop started being dealt we had both flipped over and Richard showed KJ. I looked to see a King on the flop, and I thought that was it. A Queen gave me hope of a straight, but it wasn"t to be.
Having seen some of the hands over the weekend, getting your chips in ahead in this game is very much overrated.
No complaints though. I got myself into that position with my one and only bluff of the day. ;D
So, nothing for the joint bankroll, to be honest, that trophy would have been a bugger to cut up and split between us anway. ;D
Roll on Edinburgh, where I hope we will both be playing.
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I got to play the 55 euro freezeout at the Fitz last night, once the APAT game had finished. Late entry for the first hour, so sat down at a table with James Edwards two to my right. A great tournament, very much up and down time.
Scouse then bought in and took the seat to my immediate left. I think he managed about 12 minutes in total before getting knocked out. Very funny stuff.
All sorts of hands going on. I had a couple of mad laydowns.
I folded ah 7h on a board of 8d ac ad1 jd when the guy shoves all-in on the turn.
Then next hand, after raising pre flop with th ts and getting a caller, the board of jd ac ad and an all-in shove, scared me off.
Eventually went out to an elderly local chap by the name of Paddy. He had limped into a pot on my big blind. I had js 9s, the flop came 6d jh kc, so it seemed as good a place as any to get my remaining stack in.
Now Paddy has already been dealt aces twice, kings once and flopped quad 3"s since I"ve been sitting at the table, so I"m thinking he can"t keep hitting. He calls quite quickly, and I think I"m in trouble. He"s got kd jc and that"s me done for.
In the time it took me to get up the stairs to say goodbye to a few people, James was following. I said "Have they split the table then ?"
He replied, "No, I"m out, shoved all-in to isolate a shorter stack with pocket Jacks, she had Tens I think. The Big Blind woke up with pocket Aces and knocked them both out"
The dealers at The Fitz are evil at times (But also very good) ;D
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Great blog lads and I hope the bankroll grows like my back lawn in the coming weeks, erm without the occasional mow as it were. :D
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I got to play the 55 euro freezeout at the Fitz last night, once the APAT game had finished. Late entry for the first hour, so sat down at a table with James Edwards two to my right. A great tournament, very much up and down time.
Scouse then bought in and took the seat to my immediate left. I think he managed about 12 minutes in total before getting knocked out. Very funny stuff.
All sorts of hands going on. I had a couple of mad laydowns.
I folded ah 7h on a board of 8d ac ad1 jd when the guy shoves all-in on the turn.
Then next hand, after raising pre flop with th ts and getting a caller, the board of jd ac ad and an all-in shove, scared me off.
Eventually went out to an elderly local chap by the name of Paddy. He had limped into a pot on my big blind. I had js 9s, the flop came 6d jh kc, so it seemed as good a place as any to get my remaining stack in.
Now Paddy has already been dealt aces twice, kings once and flopped quad 3"s since I"ve been sitting at the table, so I"m thinking he can"t keep hitting. He calls quite quickly, and I think I"m in trouble. He"s got kd jc and that"s me done for.
In the time it took me to get up the stairs to say goodbye to a few people, James was following. I said "Have they split the table then ?"
He replied, "No, I"m out, shoved all-in to isolate a shorter stack with pocket Jacks, she had Tens I think. The Big Blind woke up with pocket Aces and knocked them both out"
The dealers at The Fitz are evil at times (But also very good) ;D
Was your trip Aces fold correct - did the person show - I think I am calling that one.
L
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Showed the other ace. He had raised preflop. He claimed afterwards that his hand couldn"t improve after the flop.
I"m pretty sure he was raising with more than A7, so I was okay with it. Hated doing it, but right fold. ;D
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Just finished the DTD Deepstack satellite (50 Seats gtd)
Was sat in 50th place when the bubble burst, which seems quite efficient to me.
Mad last twenty minutes, no hand for hand, which is a nightmare.
Just got to work out if I can make it this weekend or whether I transfer it to July instead.
A great end to a great long weekend.
;D
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I got to play the 55 euro freezeout at the Fitz last night, once the APAT game had finished. Late entry for the first hour, so sat down at a table with James Edwards two to my right. A great tournament, very much up and down time.
Scouse then bought in and took the seat to my immediate left. I think he managed about 12 minutes in total before getting knocked out. Very funny stuff.
All sorts of hands going on. I had a couple of mad laydowns.
I folded ah 7h on a board of 8d ac ad1 jd when the guy shoves all-in on the turn.
Then next hand, after raising pre flop with th ts and getting a caller, the board of jd ac ad and an all-in shove, scared me off.
Eventually went out to an elderly local chap by the name of Paddy. He had limped into a pot on my big blind. I had js 9s, the flop came 6d jh kc, so it seemed as good a place as any to get my remaining stack in.
Now Paddy has already been dealt aces twice, kings once and flopped quad 3"s since I"ve been sitting at the table, so I"m thinking he can"t keep hitting. He calls quite quickly, and I think I"m in trouble. He"s got kd jc and that"s me done for.
In the time it took me to get up the stairs to say goodbye to a few people, James was following. I said "Have they split the table then ?"
He replied, "No, I"m out, shoved all-in to isolate a shorter stack with pocket Jacks, she had Tens I think. The Big Blind woke up with pocket Aces and knocked them both out"
The dealers at The Fitz are evil at times (But also very good) ;D
Was your trip Aces fold correct - did the person show - I think I am calling that one.
L
what are you beating?
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I got to play the 55 euro freezeout at the Fitz last night, once the APAT game had finished. Late entry for the first hour, so sat down at a table with James Edwards two to my right. A great tournament, very much up and down time.
Scouse then bought in and took the seat to my immediate left. I think he managed about 12 minutes in total before getting knocked out. Very funny stuff.
All sorts of hands going on. I had a couple of mad laydowns.
I folded ah 7h on a board of 8d ac ad1 jd when the guy shoves all-in on the turn.
Then next hand, after raising pre flop with th ts and getting a caller, the board of jd ac ad and an all-in shove, scared me off.
Eventually went out to an elderly local chap by the name of Paddy. He had limped into a pot on my big blind. I had js 9s, the flop came 6d jh kc, so it seemed as good a place as any to get my remaining stack in.
Now Paddy has already been dealt aces twice, kings once and flopped quad 3"s since I"ve been sitting at the table, so I"m thinking he can"t keep hitting. He calls quite quickly, and I think I"m in trouble. He"s got kd jc and that"s me done for.
In the time it took me to get up the stairs to say goodbye to a few people, James was following. I said "Have they split the table then ?"
He replied, "No, I"m out, shoved all-in to isolate a shorter stack with pocket Jacks, she had Tens I think. The Big Blind woke up with pocket Aces and knocked them both out"
The dealers at The Fitz are evil at times (But also very good) ;D
Was your trip Aces fold correct - did the person show - I think I am calling that one.
L
what are you beating?
KK,QQ ... a worse suited ace (would not surprise me).
L
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Back to the DTD Deepstack qualifier last night, in the cold light of day, here"s a few thoughts on the latter stages of the tournament.
It really does become a crapshoot (as is the case with most satellites) with everyone hanging on for a seat. What did disappoint me though was that there was a lot of softplay going on and everyone, not just the short stacks, running down their clocks.
It seemed that quite a lot of people knew each other and on my table there was even calls to give the shortstack a walk with only one player left to go.
In my view, this is wrong and verges on cheating. It is not helped by a lack of hand for hand on the software and the chatbox can still be used when a player is all-in.
When down to 51 players, I shoved with my 6k stack into the shortie (3k) who was already all in on the big blind. I had AK suited and he was very fortunate to hit a straight. I"ve no problem with that.
I am then very shortstacked along with another player on another table, who eventually shoves from mid position with their remaining 625 chips. It folds round to the blinds (3k/6k) and the small blind, with a stack of 20k+ chooses not to make up the blind and folds. wtf ?
I was lucky and the bb rivered a straight, so I made it through.
Thinking about it this morning, if I had bubbled, I think I would have been straight on to DTD questioning the play at the end of the tournament. Not sure it would have got me anywhere and in this case, for my sake, it makes no difference.
However, it shouldn"t go on. Playing hand for hand would help the situation.
Rant over. ;D
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Back to the DTD Deepstack qualifier last night, in the cold light of day, here"s a few thoughts on the latter stages of the tournament.
It really does become a crapshoot (as is the case with most satellites) with everyone hanging on for a seat. What did disappoint me though was that there was a lot of softplay going on and everyone, not just the short stacks, running down their clocks.
It seemed that quite a lot of people knew each other and on my table there was even calls to give the shortstack a walk with only one player left to go.
In my view, this is wrong and verges on cheating. It is not helped by a lack of hand for hand on the software and the chatbox can still be used when a player is all-in.
When down to 51 players, I shoved with my 6k stack into the shortie (3k) who was already all in on the big blind. I had AK suited and he was very fortunate to hit a straight. I"ve no problem with that.
I am then very shortstacked along with another player on another table, who eventually shoves from mid position with their remaining 625 chips. It folds round to the blinds (3k/6k) and the small blind, with a stack of 20k+ chooses not to make up the blind and folds. wtf ?
I was lucky and the bb rivered a straight, so I made it through.
Thinking about it this morning, if I had bubbled, I think I would have been straight on to DTD questioning the play at the end of the tournament. Not sure it would have got me anywhere and in this case, for my sake, it makes no difference.
However, it shouldn"t go on. Playing hand for hand would help the situation.
Rant over. ;D
I don"t think the SB is obliged to call.
Most players would - and it would be correct to do so - but you see all sorts of weird things going on - and some of them are just weird!
Yesterday I was in a qualifier 5 left for three seats.
Post flop I pushed all in with a draw - and the chip leader (30k) declined to call 1900 chips into 10,000 - what is that about?
Looks very weird to any observer - but just a terrible play - never played the guy before.
No hand for hand is pretty weak - as is the table chat all in - but known hazard with many satelittes.
Good luck when you play.
Louis
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So, I go off to Dublin for the weekend. Luky stays at home. Bearing in mind the moment I suggested on this blog that he may play a bit of poker, he quickly responded to deny the claim.
I thought I would post his stats over the long weekend (Fri-Tues)
Shootouts played = 18
Heads Up Reached = 12
Final Tables Reached = 10
Minor Cashes = 3
Seats Won = 3
Cost = $210.60
Winnings = $730.00
ROI = 246.6%
Not a bad weekends work. At least one of us is a winning player. ;D
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Chat in a satellite should be blocked when the bubble approaches.
The lack of H4H is a serious software oversight on the part of Boss Media. It is also a constant moaning topic on the Poker.co.uk (which is also on Boss) forum.
I"d have emailed support on this one and also sent Simon Trumper an email too.
VWD on qualifying leigh. Let me know when you plan to play this
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VWD on qualifying leigh. Let me know when you plan to play this
Well, due to recent media stories, it"s going to be this weekend. ;D
I actually can"t make the July one anyway, so going to meet up with Mr Kinboshi on Saturday and head to DTD.
If anyone else is up there, let me know.
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Cant thank you guys enough for introducing me to DC sats
At the moment
Tournaments Entered = 44
Heads Up on 1st table = 19
Final Tables reached = 10
Minor Cashes = 0
Seats Won = 5
ROI = 108.8%
still waiting for my first minor cash ???
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Cant thank you guys enough for introducing me to DC sats
At the moment
Tournaments Entered = 44
Heads Up on 1st table = 19
Final Tables reached = 10
Minor Cashes = 0
Seats Won = 5
ROI = 108.8%
still waiting for my first minor cash ???
Are these DC sats on Pokerstars?
Where do I find them?
Brain dead now ...
L
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Yeah, Stars under Tourney > Satellites
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Yeah, Stars under Tourney > Satellites
Okay brain now half back on ...
... so when you win these $215 ... you need to play these tickets?
Can you play in any $215 tournament or just the Sunday Million?
L
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Yeah, Stars under Tourney > Satellites
Okay brain now half back on ...
... so when you win these $215 ... you need to play these tickets?
Can you play in any $215 tournament or just the Sunday Million?
L
You can unregister for the tournament and you wil get T$215. Theses tournament dollars can be used to play any tournament you like, or you can sell then for real dollars, normally around 95c/$1
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Yeah, Stars under Tourney > Satellites
Okay brain now half back on ...
... so when you win these $215 ... you need to play these tickets?
Can you play in any $215 tournament or just the Sunday Million?
L
You can unregister for the tournament and you wil get T$215. Theses tournament dollars can be used to play any tournament you like, or you can sell then for real dollars, normally around 95c/$1
Right - great effort - I will have a go at these when I next play online.
Off to play a £50 freeze-out in town.
Louis
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VWD on qualifying leigh. Let me know when you plan to play this
Well, due to recent media stories, it"s going to be this weekend. ;D
I actually can"t make the July one anyway, so going to meet up with Mr Kinboshi on Saturday and head to DTD.
If anyone else is up there, let me know.
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Due to house-moving and car buying/selling antics, I haven"t been to DTD for a good few weeks now. Looking forward to hitting the cash games and will hopefully be fresh and I"ll run good. see if I can continue where I left off, with 4s 5s ...
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VWD on qualifying leigh. Let me know when you plan to play this
Well, due to recent media stories, it"s going to be this weekend. ;D
I actually can"t make the July one anyway, so going to meet up with Mr Kinboshi on Saturday and head to DTD.
If anyone else is up there, let me know.
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Due to house-moving and car buying/selling antics, I haven"t been to DTD for a good few weeks now. Looking forward to hitting the cash games and will hopefully be fish and I"ll run good. see if I can continue where I left off, with 4s 5s ...
FYP
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That too, fair enough.
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Well, I am totally deflated. Spent most of the day playing, without any success.
I finally make the money in the $35k gtd rebuy. Sat 37/85.
I then run TT into the JJ of a shorter stack. Three hands later I run TT into the AA of the same player.
I go from 80k to zero
He goes from 50k to 150k
Out in 79th (1400 runners) for a $36 profit after over 4 hours play.
It"s difficult not to get involved in these hands as the payout structure requires a final table finish for a real return.
A walk in the summer evening fresh air will clear my head.
Let"s hope I"m saving my variance up for the weekend. ;D
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Well, I am totally deflated. Spent most of the day playing, without any success.
I finally make the money in the $35k gtd rebuy. Sat 37/85.
I then run TT into the JJ of a shorter stack. Three hands later I run TT into the AA of the same player.
I go from 80k to zero
He goes from 50k to 150k
Out in 79th (1400 runners) for a $36 profit after over 4 hours play.
It"s difficult not to get involved in these hands as the payout structure requires a final table finish for a real return.
A walk in the summer evening fresh air will clear my head.
Let"s hope I"m saving my variance up for the weekend. ;D
Thats why I hate stars tourneys.....
Have you thought about playing 180s??
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I"m off to DTD, via Kinboshi"s.
Will try and update any success.
No posts on here, means I"d rather not talk about it. ;D
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I"m off to DTD, via Kinboshi"s.
Will try and update any success.
No posts on here, means I"d rather not talk about it. ;D
Best of luck.
I am just getting involved with these Double Shoot Outs ... debut looks like being a blank!
L
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Double Shoot Out - great format!
I came back from 240 chips to make the final table (in play)
Heads up was ridiculous.
545 vs 9955 at the start ... I got level then disconnected myself ... down to 2000 ... and then came back to win ...
Fingers crossed that this is my Sunday Warm up entry coming!
L
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10375 at first break. I think I have played about 4 hands, totally card dead and not even hitting with the cards i fold. More than happy to sit and watch the action
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hang in there leigh, there will be spots to rake them in
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Sound tactic for the early stages, stick in.
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Especially seeing as they have lost a third of the field already. Its carnage!!
go Leigh!!
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Just before the break i call an allin shove into my big blind with kd 9d , he has jd td , a ten on the flop.After the break, i call an allin shove for 3k with jc tc , he has k9 and it holds. I shove my remaining 2.5k in with A8, and watched the blinds check it down. An ace on the river and I thought i was good. Big blind had made two pair with j3. Timing is everything, and i"ve had no cards and no timing all night. Oh well.
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I was hoping my 2000th post was going to be a memorable one ... och well :(
UL Mate.
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Unlucky Leigh.
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Have woken up this morning with thoughts of getting into the Sky Poker event at DTD next weekend. Pretty much an APAT structure and I must be due a bit of variance at DTD after my last few visits. Will see what satellite routes are available. (Oh, and checking being away for three poker weekends in a row is considered reasonable at home ;D )
I"m not sure which will be tougher to crack.
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Cant thank you guys enough for introducing me to DC sats
At the moment
Tournaments Entered = 44
Heads Up on 1st table = 19
Final Tables reached = 10
Minor Cashes = 0
Seats Won = 5
ROI = 108.8%
still waiting for my first minor cash ???
I see you"ve had a couple now. ;D
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Cant thank you guys enough for introducing me to DC sats
At the moment
Tournaments Entered = 44
Heads Up on 1st table = 19
Final Tables reached = 10
Minor Cashes = 0
Seats Won = 5
ROI = 108.8%
still waiting for my first minor cash ???
I see you"ve had a couple now. ;D
how do you know????
Tournaments Entered = 58
Heads Up on 1st table = 24
Final Tables reached = 10
Minor Cashes = 2
Seats Won = 5
ROI = 68.7%%
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I"ve got Luky stalking you.
Be afraid, be very afraid ;D
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I"ve got Luky stalking you.
Be afraid, be very afraid ;D
I am now, but no DC sats this week??
I"m blowing my TDs on STTs this week
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I"ve got Luky stalking you.
Be afraid, be very afraid ;D
I am now, but no DC sats this week??
I"m blowing my TDs on STTs this week
There"s WSOP ones, $15 +$1
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DS Special.
I am just about to start a final table 2*370 seats and a 217 consolation. (WSOP Qualifier)
Astonishing format - 29 runners over 10 tables - one table starting at heads up!
Bubble to follow.
L
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DS Special.
I am just about to start a final table 2*370 seats and a 217 consolation. (WSOP Qualifier)
Astonishing format - 29 runners over 10 tables - one table starting at heads up!
Bubble to follow.
L
lol at AJ v AQ first hand
wp, gg.
Not Louis though, he"s still in.
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DS Special.
I am just about to start a final table 2*370 seats and a 217 consolation. (WSOP Qualifier)
Astonishing format - 29 runners over 10 tables - one table starting at heads up!
Bubble to follow.
L
lol at AJ v AQ first hand
wp, gg.
Not Louis though, he"s still in.
AJ vs AQ at 10/20 - with 1,500 chips astonishing.
L
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2*370 seats and a 217 consolation. (WSOP Qualifier)
Astonishing format - 29 runners over 10 tables
Just 29 runners? Astonishing indeed. I played one earlier with 69 runners and it was 2 seats and $295 for 3rd.
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2*370 seats and a 217 consolation. (WSOP Qualifier)
Astonishing format - 29 runners over 10 tables
Just 29 runners? Astonishing indeed. I played one earlier with 69 runners and it was 2 seats and $295 for 3rd.
$36 vs $15 buy in ish I think ... I got done in the blinds ... a horror call by 89o to beat my KJ push.
I think I need to get my mind fresh for the weekend!
Good luck!
L
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Latest from DTD, 9.7k at first break.
Won a few, lost a few.
Lost min with Q8 on a J96 board, magic T on the turn and a 9 on river, making three clubs on the board slows things down.
Lucky for me, oppo has KQ.
Happy Days.
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Latest from DTD, 9.7k at first break.
Won a few, lost a few.
Lost min with Q8 on a J96 board, magic T on the turn and a 9 on river, making three clubs on the board slows things down.
Lucky for me, oppo has KQ.
Happy Days.
Good escape - take it down.
L
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Nice one. Stick in.
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11.7k at dinner break. Doubled up a shorty with AJ v JJ.
Have the pleasure of Brian "Boingblitz" Yates to my right on my new table.
Currently heckling Tikay as we queue for the
buffet.
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And I"m out. Went card dead and down to 7k.
Blinds at 400/800/100
UTG raises to 2.2k, folds round to me in big blind with QQ. I shove all-in.
He ponders and makes the call for just over half his stack and flips AT.
An ace on the turn (two players said they folded aces) and I"m done for.
I would say, typical skypoker player call (A phrase I have heard a lot today), but I"ll just put it down to my run of variance.
Plenty of APATers still going strong.
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UL Leigh...
Having played a couple of the Sky events I"m not surprised by the number of "typical Sky Poker call" comments....
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UL Mate. A bit nutty was it?
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ooops just ooops
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So, in the cold light of day, yesterday was another good day of poker.
The SkyPoker event was scattered with a mixture of internet novices, regular live players and pro"s. It made for some very lively plays and the strangest of all-in calls early on in the tournament.
For the first few hours, every all-in was being called and then commentated on by either Tikay or Simon Trumper. And trust me, some of them were causing many a shake of heads and bemusement. Tikay even reminded everyone a few times that it was a two day event.
Day two has a strong field still in, with a splattering of APATers who potentially could take this down.
I am still pomdering my demise yesterday. I played looser than normal to start with, but couldn"t get above the 15k mark. Having moved tables I ended up with Brian Yates to my right and Bruce Shannon to his right. It wasn"t a great siutuation for me and between the two of them, they raised most pots and left me in a difficult position to make a move.
Brian assures me he had hands most of the time, but he was steamrolling the table at times.
So, my out hand continues my 2009 live trend. I"ve been working it back this year and every time my chips are in the middle for my tourney life, I have lost the showdown, and that is nearly ten tournaments now. It doesn"t matter whether I am ahead, behind, racing, I never seem to get that double up chance to then push on. (And normally, it isn"t even at a point where I am blinding out).
QQ v AT
AK v 99
AJ v KJ
KK v AK
AA v 99
88 v AA
To name but a few.
A break from live poker for a bit, next stop Edinburgh, and perhaps via Chezger. ;)
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... when you say break ... I take it you mean "see you in the Sunday Warm Up" ...
I have been driven half crazy by my results this year ... albeit with some lucky spikes in the middle.
A lot of good poker can be undone by a couple of hands ... that said play the good poker and the flip of the variance curve will reward you in the end.
I recall playing a £100 freeze-out at the gutshot years ago, for two hours I watched a real steamroller, perfect play, then in two consecutive hands turned to dust with KK vs AA and QQ vs KK ... still a few chips left ... two hands later tripled with AA ... but still mortally wounded ... maybe that run is a reason to give poker up ... but I think it is a reason to play ...
Catch up in Edinburgh if not before.
Louis
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Cant thank you guys enough for introducing me to DC sats
At the moment
Tournaments Entered = 44
Heads Up on 1st table = 19
Final Tables reached = 10
Minor Cashes = 0
Seats Won = 5
ROI = 108.8%
still waiting for my first minor cash ???
Really regretting this throw away comment now ??? ???
Tournaments Entered = 61
Heads Up on 1st table = 26
Final Tables reached = 14
Minor Cashes = 4
Seats Won = 5
ROI = 70.2%
just bubbled yet another seat TT v A7 that made trip 7"s.
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played in a load more of these
Tournaments Entered = 83
Heads Up on 1st table = 37
Final Tables reached = 19
Minor Cashes = 5
Seats Won = 8
ROI = 95.1%
Haven"t heard from the luky and chip express for a while. sup?
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Three more seats and one minor cash from 22 games? Nice one Rob, keep it up!
I"ve been playing and running poorly in the few I"ve played this week. I find I like the ones with between 55 and 75 runners and have been trying to pick only such games.
I played really well in one this morning, I got to HU on first table then this happened ...
(this is not meant as a bad beat story, more of a "for your amusement" kinda post ... )
PokerStars Game #29612931016: Tournament #171729500, $10.70+$1.00 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level VII (100/200) - 2009/06/21 11:54:47 WET [2009/06/21 6:54:47 ET]
Table "171729500 4" 10-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: lukybugur (3600 in chips)
Seat 7: yotekiller (8400 in chips)
lukybugur: posts the ante 25
yotekiller: posts the ante 25
lukybugur: posts small blind 100
yotekiller: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lukybugur [Qc Qh]
lukybugur: calls 100
yotekiller: checks
*** FLOP *** [6c 8c Td]
yotekiller: bets 400
lukybugur: raises 500 to 900
yotekiller: raises 500 to 1400
lukybugur: raises 1975 to 3375 and is all-in
yotekiller: calls 1975
*** TURN *** [6c 8c Td] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [6c 8c Td Tc] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
yotekiller: shows [Ts 2h] (a full house, Tens full of Deuces)
lukybugur: shows [Qc Qh] (a flush, Queen high)
yotekiller collected 7200 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7200 | Rake 0
Board [6c 8c Td Tc 2c]
Seat 1: lukybugur (button) (small blind) showed [Qc Qh] and lost with a flush, Queen high
Seat 7: yotekiller (big blind) showed [Ts 2h] and won (7200) with a full house, Tens full of Deuces
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Neil got Brunson"d!!
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I knew when we started this thread, that it would lead to big things.
Okay, I thought that might be for myself or Neil, and I thought it might take a while.
But the big achievement came last night, from Rob Swindells. A 2nd place finish in the Sunday WarmUp on PokerStars is an incredible achievement, and he qualified through the double shootouts that we play and have been talking about on this thread.
I can"t get hold of Luky at the moment, he is currently with our solicitors, trying to establish any claim we may have on some of Rob"s winnings. Times are tough, ROI is falling and Luky is on a downward variance slope at the moment. And I have had very little time to play.
So pleased for Rob and can"t wait to buy him a pint in Edinburgh to say well done.
See, this thread does have it"s uses.
If you haven"t read about Rob"s success, you can HERE (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3687.0)
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... trying to establish any claim we may have on some of Rob"s winnings
I was thinking somewhere around the 10% each, similar to our deal at DTD ;)
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We can write what we like at this time of day.
Rob will have the entire staffroom down the pub and closed the school for the afternoon. ;D
He won"t even read it.
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I take it you are both playing next week ...
L
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Cant thank you guys enough for introducing me to DC sats
At the moment
Tournaments Entered = 44
Heads Up on 1st table = 19
Final Tables reached = 10
Minor Cashes = 0
Seats Won = 5
ROI = 108.8%
still waiting for my first minor cash ???
Really regretting this throw away comment now ??? ???
Tournaments Entered = 61
Heads Up on 1st table = 26
Final Tables reached = 14
Minor Cashes = 4
Seats Won = 5
ROI = 70.2%
just bubbled yet another seat TT v A7 that made trip 7"s.
Had a chuckle at this one today ;D Rob can add another Stat to the list now
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Played a bit last night and this morning and I"m 4 FTs outta 5.
Game 1 - bubble boy for cash (7th or so)
Game 2 - $215 seat won
Game 3 - played for the win and ran J8s into KK
Game 4 - bubble boy (3rd) in 2 Seater for $0 - V FRUSTRATING as I played very well again
Game 5 - out 6th with only 2 Seats being awarded. Raised with 24h from button (yeah, I know), called only by SB. I c-bet with 2 hearts out on flop fully intending to call a shove, which the BB did with his flopped trips. No more hearts so out.
Played a $33 ($10k GTD) earlier and overplayed AQo to my detriment.
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Played a bit last night and this morning and I"m 4 FTs outta 5.
Game 1 - bubble boy for cash (7th or so)
Game 2 - $215 seat won
Game 3 - played for the win and ran J8s into KK
Game 4 - bubble boy (3rd) in 2 Seater for $0 - V FRUSTRATING as I played very well again
Game 5 - out 6th with only 2 Seats being awarded. Raised with 24h from button (yeah, I know), called only by SB. I c-bet with 2 hearts out on flop fully intending to call a shove, which the BB did with his flopped trips. No more hearts so out.
Played a $33 ($10k GTD) earlier and overplayed AQo to my detriment.
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip
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iv been playing one of these for ages chips are up and down like mad , 4 left
man just got sicked
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wooo hooo first try first seat!!
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LOL @ the Newbie. WP Kenny. No disrespect, but don"t get too used to it. Then again, ignore me, play the Sunday Million and spin it up to $95k like oor Rob ;)
If you don"t plan to play it, remember you can withdraw it into T$ to be used in more of these $11ers.
GL and keep us posted. On your own f*kin thread tho!
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FML. Money Bubble again (6th) on my 5th FT from 6 games today. That"s four 6th places, a 3rd and a 1st. It"s all good, I think. If I hadn"t won the seat early on tho, I"d be tilting big style by now :)
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Have you lads looked at using the T$ for the step 4a`s` ?
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are you just playing aggro for the win, or are you picking your spots and getting unlucky?
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I"m not playing overly aggro - but I am punishing those who check it to me twice and playing my own draws strongly.
Three of my exit / almost exit hands have been bad beats / against draws that have hit (pretty standard) but I"ve got my chips in good in 4 / 6 and once as a 48/52 dog.
*EDIT* And then I play loose reckless into two serial Check>Raisers in my last game for today.
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lol sorry neil, so what do u do. unreg for the tounrey and then cash it in??
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Nah, un-reg from the tourney and it"ll go back into your account as T$. Those T$s can then be used to play most Tourneys (the amount will be taken from T$ balance before Cash balance).
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cool, p.s if i do run it up to 95k by some miracle, I will be making sure we have even more awesome time in vegas!!!
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It"s been a while since we updated the stats on our bankroll challenge.
A few people have posted their own stats on here, and it is interesting reading.
Here"s Luky and Chips stats :-
Games Played = 222
Heads Up 1st Table = 89
Final Tables = 59
Minor Cashes = 11
Seats Won = 17
ROI = 52.16%
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Thats a half decent sample now
great stats
I"m going to keep playing these
are you playing any STTs or tourneys with the tourney dollars?
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Thats a half decent sample now
great stats
I"m going to keep playing these
are you playing any STTs or tourneys with the tourney dollars?
Yes we are, which is why our ROI overall is less than that for the DS"s. ;D
I believe it"s commonly known as a leak ?
Work (yeah, I know ;) ) has been quite hectic for both of us the past few weeks, so poker has been neglected slightly, but plans are in motion to get things motoring again.
You have inspired us all Rob. :D
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Just to add a little more into the mix ;-)
I'd decided a while ago after running bad for sometime..... sry that should read playing bad.... :-[ that I just don't concentrate enough and I play with no goal or purpose.... :-\
My thought now is that playing bigger tourneys like the Sunday Million etc. would help focus my mind ;-)
Now reading your guys thread makes a very good case for playing these DS games but my problem is that if I end up with T$ that I'll just splash them about on any old tourney and not for the purpose I should.
So I may start looking at the Steps games as a Step 4 ticket can be used for a tourney buyin.... but only a $215 tourney thus forcing me to use it for the games I should.
Anyway this weekend I'm busy but if I feel up to it next Sunday I may give this theory a try out.
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Since this seems to be the in-thing to do, these are my stats
Games Played = 11
Heads Up = 6
Final Table = 4
Minor Cash = 1
Seats won = 2
Trying to build my bank roll, so have taken the tournament $'s
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Since this seems to be the in-thing to do, these are my stats
Games Played = 11
Heads Up = 6
Final Table = 4
Minor Cash = 1
Seats won = 2
Trying to build my bank roll, so have taken the tournament $'s
Now those are very impressive stats. Keep that up and you could go pro. ;D
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So, after a low few weeks, we have both had good sessions in the past few days.
We have decided that this is the best way to play these. Rather than dipping in and out and playing the odd game here or there, play a session of between 5-10 at a time.
It seems to be working so far.
Updated stats :-
Games Played = 278
Heads Up 1st Table = 117 (42%)
Final Tables = 73 (26%)
Minor Cashes = 14 (5%)
Seats Won = 20 (7%)
ROI = 45.67%
Our 1st table HU stats = 62% success rate
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The above stats amount to around $920 of combined profit from these $11 Turbo DSs in a little over 8 weeks. Not blistering but given recent "variance" and losing streaks, we"re pretty happy with it.
We"re planning on playing a minimum of 10 a week, hopefully in bursts of 5 a day where possible.
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Time to hit the $33`s ? Get up to $990 profit that gives you 30 attempts. Win 2 and its happy days.
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Where would one find such tourneys as I can"t see them in Tourney > Satellite > All?
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Where would one find such tourneys as I can"t see them in Tourney > Satellite > All?
These are the DS`s to the $800 EPT qualifiers. Unregister for W$ obv. They are scheduled at the moment and i would expect them to become more frequent nearer to EPT time.
I plyd one last night starting table had 5 on. (Turbo`s btw)
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Had a look, tonight/tomorrow 0:00/0:40
Saturday afternoon 12:00/1:00/2:30/3:30 Might play all 4 of these myself.
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Found them under Tourney > Satellite > Events. Will speak to Leigh about this - maybe play one / two as a "Treat"
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First of all, a quick catch up on Edinburgh.
It was the first time for ages that be both played live in the same tournament. Nothing major to report. Neil made steady progress, whilst I played yoyo poker. Up to 20k, down to 5k, up to 25k, eventually out.
The weekend was another fantastic success from a social point of view. It started with meeting up with Kinboshi at the airport, then lunch with Neil, Derek, Rob and Laura. Never let Neil organise a lunhc venue though. It was closed after too long a walk, but we had passed another Italian on the way, which looked good and was good.
I think it was the Italian that Dan and my taxi driver had mentioned on the way from the airport. On that subject, APAT has a lot to answer for. Within 5 seconds of getting into the taxi, the driver was off moaning about the tournament. It costs him £1.50 barrier charge at the airport and all morning he has been ferrying poeple from the ariport to the Gala.
Didn"t realise APAT tournaments had that much impact. Oh, and of course, he played some poker, so cue badbeat stories. Dan and I just sat in the back laughing.
After lunch, headed to the Gala Maybury and met up with lots of friends, old and new. Played the usual game of they know me, please let me remember their name before it gets embarassing.
As mentioned, the tournament was nothing to right home about. I felt I played well for most of it. Neil, Dan , Rob and myself had all shared %"s and at about level 8/9, I think we were all still in. It was looking good, but within an hour of each other, we were all railing.
The night ended with a Tighty Sit n Go, which unfortunately Neil and Derek were unable to participate in. The least said about that, the better.
I would like to take full credit for my win, but if you jave played a Tighty Sit n Go before, skill is not always a requirement. It was great fun though. Richard is an absolute legend at these and it always reminds me of why we do these weekends. It"s about the poker and everyone enjoying themselves. If only some poeple were able to get that.
After breakfast on the Sunday, George and Kev popped over to drop their bags in our room. George had made day two, and was one of the favourites to take it down. He didn"t, but I think Kev must take some of the blame for this. George was on megatilt about hotel rooms. I will say no more, but read his blog when he"s updated. It was very funny.
The Sunday comprised of my usual chipcounting. Which reminds me, if I had had a pound for everyone on the Saturday who said "You still in, how"s Tighty coping ?", then I would be very rich indeed (Excuse the pun).
It was a great final table and a very worthy winner. Derek played exremely consistent all weekend. Had a good catch up in the bar afterwards with James "ThinkerJE" Edwards and Simon Auckland. Their Vegas trip sounded superb and Rob was sat there also, clearly getting tips prior to his trip in November. Everyone seems to be going, but more on that later.
I eventually get talked into playing cash by Daniel. So the table conisted of Dan, Myself, Simon, James, Locals x3, John Murray and Colin O"Prey railing (although he kept getting dealt hands).
Managed to make some cash and we eventually left the casino aboutu 4:30am.
Hmmmmmmmmm, flight at 8:30am, back up at 6:30am. This was bad planning, but a great weekend.
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So, the double shootouts have been quiet lately. With everything else going on, neither of us have had much time to play.
I managed to play two yesterday and won one seat, so happy with that and we are heading nicely towards our next milestone.
Luky has jetted off this morning to Vegas, via New York. Spoke to him last night and he sounded like a kid on Christmas Eve. I"ve taken 25% of his action on the trip, which bearing in mind it"s a family holiday, means he should stay focused for the limited time that he plays.
I"m sure they will have a great time and it just makes me think that I really have to find a way of getting out there and experiencing it for myself.
Maybe a chat to Des about Season 4 WCOAP in Vegas. Now there"s an idea.
So, onwards and upwards with the Double Shootouts, with the obvious distractions of Glorious Goodwood this week.
Hopefully have a few seat wins to tell Neil about on his return.
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I eventually get talked into playing cash by Daniel. So the table conisted of Dan, Myself, Simon, James, Locals x3, John Murray and Colin O"Prey railing (although he kept getting dealt hands)
The reason I wasnt playing in that game was because the cash machine wouldnt give me cash on both my maestro card or my credit card. The bank must have realized:
1. I was in a casino
2. I was p**sed
3. I am a crap cash player
The next day Ray and myself managed to get lost on the way to the boat, ending up in a beautiful seaside area of Scotland (Largs, I think) where we couldnt do more than 25 mph for about 1.5 hours. We missed our boat but just managed to catch the slow ferry instead, so it all worked out in the end.
Great weekend as usual and looking forward to the next event. :)
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I eventually get talked into playing cash by Daniel. So the table conisted of Dan, Myself, Simon, James, Locals x3, John Murray and Colin O"Prey railing (although he kept getting dealt hands).
Locals if the local area includes London. I know it was late and we were all tired & emotional, but there is some difference between Edinburgh and London accents, Leigh. One of them is a TD in the Big Slick in Croydon. Very enjoyable cash game though (and APAT main event, and £10 rebuy, and Tighty SnG ...........)
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I eventually get talked into playing cash by Daniel. So the table conisted of Dan, Myself, Simon, James, Locals x3, John Murray and Colin O"Prey railing (although he kept getting dealt hands).
Locals if the local area includes London. I know it was late and we were all tired & emotional, but there is some difference between Edinburgh and London accents, Leigh. One of them is a TD in the Big Slick in Croydon. Very enjoyable cash game though (and APAT main event, and £10 rebuy, and Tighty SnG ...........)
The locals may have been there before you sat down John. Definitely was one, at least. Scottish accent, kept reminding us to tip the dealer. Must have been Scottish. ;)
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I"ll blog about my recent Vegas trip on this thread if it"s OK with y"all. Technically it doesn"t have anything to do with this Bankroll Challenge but hey ... it"s as good a place on APAT forum as any.
I arrived in Sin City last Thursday night after three long, exhausting sightseeing days in New York so was quite happy to follow through with my family-friendly-holiday plan of relaxing by the pool with a selection of poker and golf magazines for the first couple of days. It wasn"t until Sunday morning that I decided to sit at a poker table.
On walking back to our room after breakfast, I overheard a dealer explain the rules / betting for $3/$6 Limit Hold"Em. I wandered closer to the rail to take notes (peeking over shoulders was easy as Seats 1 and 8 were empty); there were two loud-ish women in Seats 2 and 3 who seemed to be conferring with each other (showing each other the hands they were folding etc.) and generally ruling the table chat. The two guys behind them were giving them and their bets too much respect (serial limp > folders). Two European gents in Seats 6 and 7 looked to be involved in every hand and constantly asking / being corrected about their bet sizing, and the older Asian man in Seat 9 seemed to be raising on every flop regardless of how many people were in the pot and taking a large majority of them down with ease. Seat 1 was starting to look very attractive ...
And it was! I don"t normally play Limit games but at 3/6, this just looked too good to miss. Within 30 mins (about 15 hands), I had spun $100 up to $232 and had almost single handedly taken out the two European guys and had seriously dented the stack of the Asian guy to my right by playing ultra-aggressive with complete air on all dry boards. Early on with 77 I was raising the arse out of the pot when I hit trips but only won around $30. The chat was friendly so I showed - and I"m sure this turned out to my best decision yet. My biggest wins were with AQo, AKs and 44, none of which hit in any way but which I bet to the hilt on each street, just as I had with the 7"s. It was a strangely awesome feeling to get such bets through. Being so used to No Limit I was betting and raising rivers thinking that these guys HAD to call $6 more (surely they"re priced in) ... but luckily for me, they were quite happy to fold top pair, weak kickers / 2nd top pair type hands to my relentless re-raises.
After almost two hours, still hovering around the $230 mark, I went on a run of coolers against a couple of the new faces at the table - I flopped top 2 pair v flopped trips, turned a straight only to be beaten by a rivered 8 high runner-runner flush (seriously!) and ran a Q high flush into a nut flush during a pretty bad period of tilt. All of these took care of the $130-odd profit quicker than I had made it. When Julia and Scott arrived on the rail I was happy to go with them to the Games Arcade having had my first "poker fix" of the holiday.
My second venture to the tables was to play the 7pm $150 Bounty Game at Treasure Island as recommended by The Duke. I arrived to see three cash-game tables up and running and around 6 others loitering, registering / waiting for the tourney to start. Or so I assumed. The "tourney" ran with only 7 (yeah, seven) players. Needless to say I was less than impressed. On AllVegasPoker.com they state that this game attracts an average of 35 players and with it being a Sunday night, I expected it to get fairly close to that - the cardroom manager appeared to too. I didn"t particularly want to be pulling a late-nighter but I didn"t want to be home before 11pm either. With a fair mix of standards but with 5 "regulars", I had a loose idiot regular to my left in Seat 7, a regular who called all Seat 7"s donkiness in Seat 1 knowing that K high was good enough 80% of the time, two tight aggressive players in seats 2 and 3, and two floaters / calling stations in Seats 4 and 5.
Predictably Seat 7 left us first after limping into a pot from UTG holding J2s. His stack of 15BBs goes in on the J high flop and Seat 4 holding JKo calls to rake them in. I couldn"t get going and finished in 5th after having only seen around a dozen flops in total. Overall I was disappointed to find myself in a $150 SnG - not even a full one at that.
On Tuesday I met up with Kenny at the cardroom at MGM for a walk down to Caesars for their Noon, $85 + $15 game. With only a dozen or so players in the room at 11:30, we decided to walk the extra in the 116degree sunshine to The Venetian which we both knew to be busier and more popular. Their Noon, $150, $7k starting stack game ran with 71 players, with Kenny and I going out within 10 mins of each other (me first around 40th during Level 6). Neither of us could get it going, my best hand in the first three levels being A8o. Kenny got AKo on his first hand and "absolute ****e" from then on.
My table was rife with older generation "regulars" and drunk holiday-maker Americans who clearly hadn"t played much before their trip. With the loose idiots on my left I took the tight trappy approach and against the limp>foldy Americans on my right I stepped up the aggression. In one hand early on, having flopped the nut flush with K9s on the button and with 6 players having limped into the pot, I called the 3/4 pot bet of the 60+yo lady in middle position. BB also called (check>called). A brick on the turn, BB checks, Mrs Doubtfire bets out 800 (around half-pot this time), I re-raise to 1800, BB folds and she calls the 1000 more. River bricks again and she checks it to me. If she has a hand worth calling me with on the flop, she"s surely gonna call around 2200 more but, feeling as transparent as I was, I tried to give the impression I was uncomfortable pushing my 2.5k value bet over the line. She insta-calls and looks genuinely surprised that her 95spades has been beaten, saying, "I thought you just had an Ace". Cue a few funny looks and sly sniggering. Cue my disbelief that $150 tourneys in The Venetian are really attracting players who limp and are willing to go (nearly) broke with 95s.
After a few failed steal attempts with TJo, KJo and 55 from late positions - having folded to All-In shoves from the two players to my immediate left - my exit hand was with around 5k and blinds at 200/400/25 - a pretty standard JJ v KK.
On the way home I get to thinking; although NY and Vegas was an enjoyable enough family holiday, I would really only look forward to returning to Vegas if it was for a poker holiday first and foremost. There are so many things that are good and bad about Vegas and it"s mainly because everything is taken to the extreme. It sounds weird I know, but it"s great that it"s a busy place but it"s just bonkers busy at weekends. The strip is 11 lanes wide but the traffic is stand-still at the weekends. Casinos are great but the constant ding-dinging of slot machines drive me daft pretty quickly. The heat is great (116degrees is actually surprisingly bearable / enjoyable / theraputic even) but ... well, it"s still 116!
I arrived back home on Thursday morning with a couple of work issues to sort out and to a day or two of jet-lag. I had suspected I was over it but a sleepless night last night and still being wide awake at 22:30 tonight might prove me wrong.
More than ever, I"m really looking forward to the four days of Poker at DTD at the end of August.
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My second venture to the tables was to play the 7pm $150 Bounty Game at Treasure Island as recommended by The Duke. I arrived to see three cash-game tables up and running and around 6 others loitering, registering / waiting for the tourney to start. Or so I assumed. The "tourney" ran with only 7 (yeah, seven) players.
That is strange - although I had put the word out that you were attending
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My second venture to the tables was to play the 7pm $150 Bounty Game at Treasure Island as recommended by The Duke. I arrived to see three cash-game tables up and running and around 6 others loitering, registering / waiting for the tourney to start. Or so I assumed. The "tourney" ran with only 7 (yeah, seven) players.
That is strange - although I had put the word out that you were attending
The guys with the fishing rods in the corner ... friends of yours were they ... ?
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I taught them all they know
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I"m just posting, so I don"t forget. Half the chips in play, final table, 6 players left. 2 seats up for grabs.
AQ <<<<< A7
AQ <<<<< K5
AJ <<<<< 74
KQ <<<<< QT
All In preflop each time. Out in 5th.
I"m glad Neil witnessed it, otherwise I would not have believed it myself.
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I"m still in shock. 6.7k when the madness started, 2nd place had 1.7k, two were less than 1k. V SIK!
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... very unlucky ...
To lose these four hands in a row is about 1 in 108 ... a bit more likely than losing 7 races in a row ... (1 in 128).
What happened next time you got your chips in the middle?
Or have you given up for good?
L
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... very unlucky ...
To lose these four hands in a row is about 1 in 108 ... a bit more likely than losing 7 races in a row ... (1 in 128).
What happened next time you got your chips in the middle?
Or have you given up for good?
L
Not played anymore. It was the last of a DS session this afternoon.
6 Played
4 HU
2 FT
1 Minor Cash to show for the effort
108/1, wow. Nothing you can do about it, just one of those things.
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It"s mentally tough though as the inference is that you have to play a mammoth amount of poker for these to level out, if you are on the wrong end of these.
I am in the final stages of setting up my recruitment business - so fairly shortly it looks like much less poker for me - blaze of glory in Nottingham?
Maybe you get the flip side then?
L
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Nothing you can do about it, just one of those things.
Of course there is....
I lost three laptops that way ;D
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Nothing you can do about it, just one of those things.
Of course there is....
I lost three laptops that way ;D
Actually, that would keep Neil in business. ;D
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Back from DTD, and one of us had a good weekend of poker playing.
So pleased for Neil finishing 15th in the Main Event. He"s a top bloke and deserves the ranking points and recognition for getting through that quality a field.
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KJLieIUxMJY/SpqUvBdIdtI/AAAAAAAAcSM/l5tMuRmIBSc/s720/IMG_1549.JPG)
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What are you after? ;)
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What are you after? ;)
Was it that obvious ?
Okay, truth is, I thought it might boost his confidence to get him back to winning ways with our joint bankroll.
He"s wasted four days this week playing some events at DTD with his own money and his own gain.
Maybe now he can focus on earning me some cash. ;)
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Back from DTD, and one of us had a good weekend of poker playing.
So pleased for Neil finishing 15th in the Main Event. He"s a top bloke and deserves the ranking points and recognition for getting through that quality a field.
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KJLieIUxMJY/SpqUvBdIdtI/AAAAAAAAcSM/l5tMuRmIBSc/s720/IMG_1549.JPG)
A top fellow too, and extremely unlucky to go out 15th. Took his beat like a proper man though.
Thanks for all of your help over the w/e Leigh, you add a huge amount to the events.
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:-*
;)
I think it"ll be at least a couple of days before I hit the DSs again. Here"s hoping I can turn the recent run of FTs into Seats.
Thanks for all of your help over the w/e Leigh, you add a huge amount to the events.
Agreed. Great job Mate!
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yep WP neil
we watched the updates after a long hard slog up the road
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With the WCOOP series currently happening on PokerStars, we are starved of our usual Sunday Million Double Shootouts.
So, in their place they have been running WCOOP 11 DS"s. Slightly more expensive at $17, but with two $530 seats up top, they make for a similar structure.
Played = 12
HU = 6
FT = 4
Seats = 1
Profit = $332
ROI = 167%
Should have been a 2nd seat last night, but I had two players on the final table that knew A4 offsuit was the nuts, and no one had bothered to tell me. Sigh
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With the WCOOP series currently happening on PokerStars, we are starved of our usual Sunday Million Double Shootouts.
So, in their place they have been running WCOOP 11 DS"s. Slightly more expensive at $17, but with two $530 seats up top, they make for a similar structure.
Played = 12
HU = 6
FT = 4
Seats = 1
Profit = $332
ROI = 167%
Should have been a 2nd seat last night, but I had two players on the final table that knew A4 offsuit was the nuts, and no one had bothered to tell me. Sigh
I need to change these stats.
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP IT ;)
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WCOOP 11 Double Shootouts
Played = 24
HU = 10
FT = 6
Seats Won = 3
Profit = $1,217.70
ROI = 327%
Thats made the bankroll look a bit more healthy. ;D
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It has been a pleasure to watch recently. Unfortunately that"s all I"ve managed to do - rail and support.
Long may this awesome run continue :)
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Well, Luky and Chip thought it was about time to broaden our horizons, so we have set our sights on the EPT.
Not wishing to get ahead of ourselves, the target was a low one to begin with.
We both entered the EPT Starter Weekly Final ($70+$7) on PokerStars tonight. Up for grabs were 18 x $650 Packages (£330 Tourney entry, $100 credit, PokerStars Goody Bag) and the chance to play at The Vic on Friday 18th September.
It started off with mixed fortunes.
Chip managed to reduce his 1500 starting stack to 300, whilst Luky was looking good on 4k.
The tide turned however, and with approx 30 player left, Chip was one of the leaders and Luky sat above average stack.
As the players remaining dragged towards 18, Luky got involved in a hand that saw him reduced to 2k and shortstack. 21 players left and he shoves with AQ up against KT and gets his double up.
This was enough to see him through.
So, Luky and Chip are off to The Vic later in the month to play a small EPT tournament.
Should be a good laugh though, will keep you posted.
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I have one thing to say;
wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
:)
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I have one thing to say;
wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
:)
lol wtg u two
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Really pleased for you both :) niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Great well done guy!!!
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luckboxes imo! :P
kidding on wtg guys hopefully be joining you guys there.
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Got email confirmation through from Pokerstars this morning.
Congratulations on your win of a EPT London Starter Package. The package includes:
$100 Spending Money (Credited to your account Monday)
£330 Tourney Entry September 18th
PokerStars player bag handed out at the event
The event is a 2 day tourney held at the Grosvenor Victoria Casino September 18th at 4PM. You must register with the Vic to enter the casino. PokerStars will have a welcome desk at the event to check everyone into the event.
There"s currently 65 in the holding tournament on Stars with another satellite due this coming Sunday.
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Nice one guys, GL!
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Well done Lads and best of luck at the Vic!!!
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Hey Good luck and have a great time
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so you both entered a satellite and you both got in....
fantastic stuff boys.
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Well dun lads
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We both spent most of yesterday trying to make arrangements for this tourney next Friday. It"s looking like we"ll both be taking the train and meeting at Euston Station (1.5hrs for Leigh is £30, 6.5hrs for me at £110). Hotel for the Friday night is £120. All this is eating into our bankroll but isn"t ruining a day (hopefully two days) we"re both really looking forward to.
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Best of luck guys.
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Very best of luck to both of you
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Excellent work guys.... wp
Best of luck on the 18th...... 1st and 2nd should be fine just sort out the order between yourselves :)
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Are you going to check out the WSOPE whilst you are there?
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so jealous....gl boys
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Are you going to check out the WSOPE whilst you are there?
That"s a good idea
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So just to clarify what it is that we are playing.
The EPT London is being held at the Hilton Metropole Hotel. Prior to this, The Vic are running the "European Championships" which include around 14 events and some satellites to the EPT.
We are playing one of these "European Championships" events.
It is a £300+£30 two day event. 6k starting stack with 45 min blinds (Not quite up to APAT standards, but it will do ;) )
It is capped at 150 runners, so with Pokerstars sending around 70 along from these online qualifiers (Of which there is one more this Sunday, and the overlay has to be seen to be believed), that should make it a good mix of online, local, possibly pro players. (I obviously include Neil in the latter of the three descriptions ;D )
Day One is Friday 18th September starting at 4pm
Day Two is Saturday 19th September starting at 2pm
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So just to clarify what it is that we are playing.
The EPT London is being held at the Hilton Metropole Hotel. Prior to this, The Vic are running the "European Championships" which include around 14 events and some satellites to the EPT.
We are playing one of these "European Championships" events.
It is a £300+£30 two day event. 6k starting stack with 45 min blinds (Not quite up to APAT standards, but it will do ;) )
It is capped at 150 runners, so with Pokerstars sending around 70 along from these online qualifiers (Of which there is one more this Sunday, and the overlay has to be seen to be believed), that should make it a good mix of online, local, possibly pro players. (I obviously include Neil in the latter of the three descriptions ;D )
Day One is Friday 18th September starting at 4pm
Day Two is Saturday 19th September starting at 2pm
Great effort - I am in Italy or I would have joined you.
Will you play more if you make the money?
I am in Scotland at the moment - might play the sat on Sept 23rd to the £1500 the following day.
L
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So just to clarify what it is that we are playing.
The EPT London is being held at the Hilton Metropole Hotel. Prior to this, The Vic are running the "European Championships" which include around 14 events and some satellites to the EPT.
We are playing one of these "European Championships" events.
It is a £300+£30 two day event. 6k starting stack with 45 min blinds (Not quite up to APAT standards, but it will do ;) )
It is capped at 150 runners, so with Pokerstars sending around 70 along from these online qualifiers (Of which there is one more this Sunday, and the overlay has to be seen to be believed), that should make it a good mix of online, local, possibly pro players. (I obviously include Neil in the latter of the three descriptions ;D )
Day One is Friday 18th September starting at 4pm
Day Two is Saturday 19th September starting at 2pm
Great effort - I am in Italy or I would have joined you.
Will you play more if you make the money?
I am in Scotland at the moment - might play the sat on Sept 23rd to the £1500 the following day.
L
I"d love to play an EPT event, but, hmmmmmmmm, bankroll management always talks me out of it.
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Heading off tomorrow upto Leeds for the Blonde Bash 8.
I"d like to say it will be a useful poker warmup for next weeks event in London, but it is likely to involve a serious consumption of alcohol, some poker, Leeds nightlife, tighty sit n go"s and the first ever Reverse Sheep Quiz LIVE !
If you are in the area this weekend, get away now before Laxie and The Duke arrive ;D , failing that, feel free to pm me for details and why not meet up for a drink or two. ;D
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Excuuuuuuuuuse me?! There"s plenty more there who will be far worse than either of us - or even worse than both of us put together, tyvm.
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Excuuuuuuuuuse me?! There"s plenty more there who will be far worse than either of us - or even worse than both of us put together, tyvm.
Really ? Just WOW.
The point I was really trying to get across is that it will be a superb weekend.
I should be in Leeds around 1pm tomorrow and in the bar by 1:05pm. ;D
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It will be a BRILLIANT week-end for sure! We arrive at the hotel bar around 5pm, however I intend to commence festivities at Cork airport so I can keep up with you lot. See what I go through for the team? lol
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That"s the sort of commitment levels we have come to expect. If only everyone had your attitude.
See you at the bar then. :D
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Excuuuuuuuuuse me?! There"s plenty more there who will be far worse than either of us - or even worse than both of us put together, tyvm.
doubt it honey -- I sincerely doubt it
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Excuuuuuuuuuse me?! There"s plenty more there who will be far worse than either of us - or even worse than both of us put together, tyvm.
doubt it honey -- I sincerely doubt it
*Cough
Fair point.
*Cough, cough.............
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Best of luck to both of you.
and congrats on the 3000th post. I think I can recal at least 1 or 2 that were worthwhile. ;)
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Happy 3000th Mate. I"ve found a plug on desk of train so lappy is back online, wiiiiii.
ETA still 13:12 in Euston. Don"t know what kinda nik I"ll be in tho ... been wide awake since 4:30am.
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Good luck you two, lets hope one of you can take it down.
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Best of luck to both of you.
and congrats on the 3000th post. I think I can recal at least 1 or 2 that were worthwhile. ;)
Name them :)
Good luck, hope the cards fall kindly for you
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Good luck to the pair of ya!!! Win the lot, yo! :D
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So, we arrived at The Vic. Found the Pokerstars desk to register and pick up our "GOODY BAGS"
"What size would you like sir ?"
"Size, size of what, I ask ?"
"Well there"s t-shirts in the bags along with books, dvd"s and sleeping bags"
Sizes sorted, Neil and I look puzzled at the "Sleeping Bag" comment.
So, back at the hotel, we review our bounty.
[ x ] Pokerstars Rucksack
[ x ] Pokerstars T Shirt
[ x ] Pokerstars DVD
[ x ] Daniel Negreanu Book
[ ] Pokerstars Sleep Bag
Ahhhhhh, we have something that looks like a sleeping bag, but on further investigations, is not a sleeping bag.
We are now the proud owners of Pokerstars Puffa (Marshmallow Man) Style Jackets.
Temperature in London is currently 25 degrees celsius.
FOL
We"re off for something to eat before a 4pm start. Will try and update at some point.
Might update on Twitter. G3LBOY or Chipaccrual.
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So, we arrived at The Vic. Found the Pokerstars desk to register and pick up our "GOODY BAGS"
"What size would you like sir ?"
"Size, size of what, I ask ?"
"Well there"s t-shirts in the bags along with books, dvd"s and sleeping bags"
Sizes sorted, Neil and I look puzzled at the "Sleeping Bag" comment.
So, back at the hotel, we review our bounty.
[ x ] Pokerstars Rucksack
[ x ] Pokerstars T Shirt
[ x ] Pokerstars DVD
[ x ] Daniel Negreanu Book
[ ] Pokerstars Sleep Bag
Ahhhhhh, we have something that looks like a sleeping bag, but on further investigations, is not a sleeping bag.
We are now the proud owners of Pokerstars Puffa (Marshmallow Man) Style Jackets.
Temperature in London is currently 25 degrees celsius.
FOL
We"re off for something to eat before a 4pm start. Will try and update at some point.
Might update on Twitter. G3LBOY or Chipaccrual.
"36D please miss"
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Best of Luck to you both
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We"re at the 2nd break after level 6.
Started - 172
Remaining - 82
Average stack - 12k ish
Blinds for level 7 - 200/400/25
Neil"s got 22k after a monster last level from a 4k start.
I am on 12k and have been mostly card dead and tighter than a tight thing.
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Looking good guys.
Keep it going.
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50/50 in this?
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I"m out in 64th. I"ve got 8d 9d and bet out UTG for half my stack on a flop of As Jd Td, get two allins, and shove the rest in. I"m covered by both.
Im up against pocket aces and KQ for a flopped straight.
The Js on the turn means I still have outs, but not to be.
Neil is still going, he"s got just over 30k.
One Time Luky
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Neil is hero calling with A6 to a 2k river bet on a board of 89742. Other guy shows A5. MBSFN to be Neil.
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50/50 in this?
We agreed a share, which is quite fortunate from where i am sitting.
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46 players left.
Blinds are 600/1200/100
Average stack is 22k, Neil has about 33k
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Down to 30 players. Top 17 get paid.
Average is 33k, Neil has 20k, blinds are 1000/2000/200
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Just returned to Hotel after going out 27th from 172 runners. A very pleasant tournament all in all - most enjoyable. I ended up pushing my last 14k with J9o, was called by other shorty to my immediate left with KJo and again by QQ by mid-position player. K hit the flop to triple shorty up, GL to him.
Was on 30k, 99 cost me 10k on 83Q 8 4 board, and A7 another 5k when I raised from cut-off into SB"s AK
I"m not one to get disappointed about my poker (excluding donk moves at donk times) so I"m only slightly bummed to have gone out 10 before the money. But for only £370 / £590, I didn"t want a min-cash - as always, I was playing for the win! Although card dead for the last 2 hours, I think back over the hands I maybe should have shoved with - the 84o / 62o / Q3o type hands that plagued me for the last two levels. Take a 40/60 shot and try to double up ... ach well, I shall linger on this no more.
Gnite and thanks for the support.
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Well done to both.
Neil I hope you fleeced Leigh for a pint or 2 in a last longer bet!
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Neil is hero calling with A6 to a 2k river bet on a board of 89742. Other guy shows A5. MBSFN to be Neil.
Legend
Unlucky - but I bet it was good fun
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Here"s what a pokerstars goody bag looks like.
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_X5lM7YiBEWc/Srd4LOR7qxI/AAAAAAAAAs0/IdjTotofaZQ/s800/backpack-bag.jpg)
And inside it we got,
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_X5lM7YiBEWc/Srd4K1_huDI/AAAAAAAAAsw/7KWifTM_1nU/s288/tee-shirt.jpg) + (http://lh4.ggpht.com/_X5lM7YiBEWc/Srd4JwsxwzI/AAAAAAAAAsk/vCKfBAW7RSo/s288/negreanu_more_wisdom.jpg) + (http://lh4.ggpht.com/_X5lM7YiBEWc/Srd4KVSrmeI/AAAAAAAAAss/vtXzwY7mJV4/s288/dvd9.jpg)
And finally the sleeping bag.........
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_X5lM7YiBEWc/Srd4Ja5LwEI/AAAAAAAAAsg/5Qi-EN7QosM/s800/winter-coat.jpg)
;D
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Nice jacket, hope u gave that to a homless guy!! ;)
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Just returned to Hotel after going out 27th from 172 runners. A very pleasant tournament all in all - most enjoyable. I ended up pushing my last 14k with J9o, was called by other shorty to my immediate left with KJo and again by QQ by mid-position player. K hit the flop to triple shorty up, GL to him.
Was on 30k, 99 cost me 10k on 83Q 8 4 board, and A7 another 5k when I raised from cut-off into SB"s AK
I"m not one to get disappointed about my poker (excluding donk moves at donk times) so I"m only slightly bummed to have gone out 10 before the money. But for only £370 / £590, I didn"t want a min-cash - as always, I was playing for the win! Although card dead for the last 2 hours, I think back over the hands I maybe should have shoved with - the 84o / 62o / Q3o type hands that plagued me for the last two levels. Take a 40/60 shot and try to double up ... ach well, I shall linger on this no more.
Gnite and thanks for the support.
Well played to the chiefs ... just getting my brain back together ... post Italy ... what is next on the poker cards?
L
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Just returned to Hotel after going out 27th from 172 runners. A very pleasant tournament all in all - most enjoyable. I ended up pushing my last 14k with J9o, was called by other shorty to my immediate left with KJo and again by QQ by mid-position player. K hit the flop to triple shorty up, GL to him.
Was on 30k, 99 cost me 10k on 83Q 8 4 board, and A7 another 5k when I raised from cut-off into SB"s AK
I"m not one to get disappointed about my poker (excluding donk moves at donk times) so I"m only slightly bummed to have gone out 10 before the money. But for only £370 / £590, I didn"t want a min-cash - as always, I was playing for the win! Although card dead for the last 2 hours, I think back over the hands I maybe should have shoved with - the 84o / 62o / Q3o type hands that plagued me for the last two levels. Take a 40/60 shot and try to double up ... ach well, I shall linger on this no more.
Gnite and thanks for the support.
Well played to the chiefs ... just getting my brain back together ... post Italy ... what is next on the poker cards?
L
Louis,
Not sure, but I really hope it includes more tournaments like this one. Was really good to play in.
Must try and satellite in to bigger events a lot more. It"s a difficult balance though as I have over the years leaked a lot of bankroll trying to qualify for events.
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The Turbos DSs are back up on Stars but I"ve only had time to play one so far this week. As work is getting busier (and will get worse up "til Xmas), I"m not sure I"ll be able to dedicate time to playing much over the next couple of weeks. As Leigh said, satelliting into these kind of tourneys more often would be great, even though they demand even more time and expense not to mention time away from the family.
ATM, I have a -4% ROI on Stars and Leigh has a very healthy 18% thanks to his sweet run of $530 Seats at the WCOOP. These statistically were much harder than the Sunday Million / WarmUp DSs but what can I say, the boy did good!
We"ll keep you posted.
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Just a sick one outer. FML
PokerStars Game #33220356933: Tournament #196489655, $69+$6 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (200/400) - 2009/09/24 12:37:31 WET [2009/09/24 7:37:31 ET]
Table "196489655 11" 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: paymenow66 (17095 in chips)
Seat 3: Snake1210 (5898 in chips)
Seat 4: vervena (10062 in chips)
Seat 5: CCF20 (12853 in chips)
Seat 6: Inigknokt (14475 in chips)
Seat 7: Keepoutt (1223 in chips)
Seat 8: Chipaccrual (12028 in chips)
Seat 9: brikichiki (3645 in chips)
paymenow66: posts the ante 50
Snake1210: posts the ante 50
vervena: posts the ante 50
CCF20: posts the ante 50
Inigknokt: posts the ante 50
Keepoutt: posts the ante 50
Chipaccrual: posts the ante 50
brikichiki: posts the ante 50
Chipaccrual: posts small blind 200
brikichiki: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chipaccrual [ ks kc]
paymenow66: calls 400
Snake1210: folds
vervena: folds
CCF20: folds
Inigknokt: raises 800 to 1200
Keepoutt: calls 1173 and is all-in
Chipaccrual: raises 4800 to 6000
brikichiki: folds
paymenow66: folds
Inigknokt: raises 8425 to 14425 and is all-in
Chipaccrual: calls 5978 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2447) returned to Inigknokt
*** FLOP *** [4s 9c jc]
*** TURN *** [4s 9c jc] [qh]
*** RIVER *** [4s 9c jc qh] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Chipaccrual: shows [ks kc] (a pair of Kings)
Inigknokt: shows [jh js] (three of a kind, Jacks)
Inigknokt collected 21610 from side pot
Keepoutt: shows [jd kd] (a pair of Jacks)
Inigknokt collected 4719 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 26329 Main pot 4719. Side pot 21610. | Rake 0
Board [4s 9c jc qh 8s]
Seat 1: paymenow66 folded before Flop
Seat 3: Snake1210 folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 4: vervena folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 5: CCF20 folded before Flop (didn"t bet)
Seat 6: Inigknokt showed [jh js] and won (26329) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 7: Keepoutt (button) showed [jd kd] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 8: Chipaccrual (small blind) showed [ks kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 9: brikichiki (big blind) folded before Flop
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Unlucky, keep @ it guys, you is goooood!!!!!! :)
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Well done guys .... keep up the good work :)
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Having caught up with a significant amount of work having left poker alone for the past few days, I"m gonna hit the tables again today. With just one appointment this afternoon, I should get a good session of GTDs and DSs in this morning.
Run good, one day.
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Poker is great, but sometimes being able to get away from things on a Thursday afternoon is even better.
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_X5lM7YiBEWc/SsTTlNB5D6I/AAAAAAAAAu0/-sBb1DpggUA/s800/DSC00045%20%282%29.JPG)
Having the New Forest close by often gets taken for granted. Jen is off this week, so the dogs have got extra walking, I think they enjoyed the water.
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_X5lM7YiBEWc/SsTTxnPpAFI/AAAAAAAAAu4/IAje8Hz_CEQ/s800/DSC00046%20%282%29.JPG)
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OK ... time for reflection on what has been a pretty grim month poker-wise. And I"m going to start by digressing slightly, onto golf story I once read.
Each Summer I really get into golf; into playing it and really into learning it - the swings, the new technology etc. and I read something pretty life-changing a few years ago, an article of Bob Rotella"s (Padraig Harrington"s / Davis Love III"s Mind Coach).
It was all about positive thinking and started off as a story about how Jack Nicholas had told the world that he has "never three-putted the last hole of a tournament or missed from inside five feet on the last hole of a tournament". It"s not true - he has - but he"ll ALWAYS deny it and even almost fight with you if it means keeping negative thoughts from entering his mind. Read the whole article here (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0HFI/is_6_52/ai_75622968/) if you"re at all interested.
So WTF has this got to do with my poker? Well, the long and short of it is that in the four months that Leigh and I have been playing the DS Satellites to the Sunday Million, I ran a $60 deposit up to $993 with a 30% ROI and ITM stats of 15%. Now, as I type this, I"m sitting with almost $20 in my account, stats of -46% ROI and 10% ITM I can"t honestly remember playing anything badly / getting my cards in badly that often that it should warrant such a demise. My stats say that I make MORE than my fair share of Final Tables but that I just can"t seem to hit the money spots (usually top 2 or 3) in the 10 Man SnG format ... obviously.
So, questions;
Do I have the right mindset for poker?
Am I thinking TOO positively?
Do I think I"m a better player than I am?
Is it my "ability" to forget bad beats / bad plays that takes me back time after time? And has it cost me over $900?? I suspect so.
I"m now asking myself; what"s the "correct mindset" for poker? I never approach a game (DS or otherwise) thinking I"m going to be out of my depth. That would be defeatist and definitely the wrong mindset IMO. I do approach every game thinking that if I concentrate and make good, educated plays, I will prosper. And if I get a little lucky along the way, I may just be able to hit a decent pay day. If I get sucked out on, hey ho, that"s variance and it"s to be expected.
I"m going to take some time away from the online tables to have a think about where I go from here. Leigh has offered to transfer some of the joint bankroll (which he"s done VERY WELL to build up!) but due to some security issue with my Stars Account he"s been unable to.
My workload has just doubled / tripled in the past week or so so poker will be put aside for the next fortnight at least. I"m sure I"ll get back to youz soon, positive as ever :)
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Keep ya chin up Neil, you don"t become a bad player in the space of a few weeks. A break might be just what you need, to get your mind right. Or play a different game for a change. You have to forget bad beats otherwise you would stop playing, there is nothing worse than playing the hand perfectly, getting your chips in ahead and getting out drawn, but we all know it happens, and when you are running bad it happens more often.
The other thing that I find is that the more I play the same SNG the more blahzee I become, and start trying different things and before I know it I am losing regularly. The remedy is then to go back and play as you were when you were winning.
Whether you think you"re better than you are, is a strange question, the question I find a good one to ask is how good are my opponents? More often than not ( except when playing APAT) the answer is not that great, so making fancy plays etc is a waste of time because they go over your opponents head. So at the lower levels ( I don"t know your buy in level) up to $10 I tend to play pretty ABC poker, and even though it can be boring, more often than not it is profitable.
Any way thats my two pence worth, I am sure you will be back winning shortly. :)
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Neil
Seems to me you tend at times to verge on overanalysing your poker and what you are playing in general. You see so many of these types of posts on poker forums where people start to get disolusioned with the game at times and I"ve deffo been there too.
At this stage I generally ask myself this question (don"t know why cos I know the answer ;)). What do I want from poker?
Is it a hobby or a prospective new career?
If its a hobby then ENJOY IT ffs. Play the games you want to play and dont overplay trying to make the odd $$$ here and there when your doing it from compulsion rather than wanting to. You don"t have to follow BRM if you are playing from your expendable income and its not affecting you financially so if you don"t want to grind, don"t. If you lose some of your social money so what. At the end of the day you have hobbies to have fun don"t you and as a reward for grafting at work. I"m sure playing golf isn"t financially rewarding but you include it in your treats to yourself, don"t let yourself get hung up on the $$$ side. Measure your poker success through + happiness rather than by your BR.
If its a prospective career carry on playing to strict BRM and treat it as a job. Play selectively and set goals etc.... gg life. ;)
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Time away - good.
If you want to analyse it I would analyse "money at risk" - what were the %"s when the money went in - what were the outcomes ... if you are doing the right things keep doing them ...
Variance huge ... you have the game to take something big down ... so take a break ... win some tickets ... and then play them with your cowboy hat on ...
L
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On a totally different subject, you know that feeling when you think you have something planned, but then forget about it. Well that happened to me last night. Only this morning did I remember that it was the Inside Poker Freeroll on Blue Square. I"d pre-regged, but forgot, so probably blinded away through the usual 600+ runners.
That was until this arrived in my inbox.
Dear Inside Poker Freeroll player,
Due to a set up error, the Inside Poker Magazine Freeroll was interrupted last night with 253 players remaining. Blue Square Poker have re-scheduled the tournament to run tomorrow evening, starting at 8pm. As one of the remaining players, you have been pre-registered to play. The tournament is restricted to the remaining 253 players who were left in the tournament at the time of the interruption. Unfortunately, we are unable to re-create the scenario exactly and continue the tournament as it was at the time of the interruption, so all 253 players will re-start the tournament.
Blue Square Poker apologises for the inconvenience caused.
Quite right they should apologise for the inconvenience caused to me. ;) Result.
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Oh darn! I thought that was tonight!
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Oh darn! I thought that was tonight!
Poker Player one is tonight, assuming you have the relevant password.
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Neil, I would highly recommend the book "The Poker Mindset" by Ian Taylor & Matthew Hilger, of which I have copy that you are welcome to borrow.
I also find PokerTracker really useful for looking back at your play to establish if it is just variance.
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... is poker tracker any good for looking at Double shoot-outs?
L
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... is poker tracker any good for looking at Double shoot-outs?
L
I would say PT is really good for cash players but has limited benefit for tournaments of any kind.
It does record every play you make so is good for reviewing hands (which is why I mentioned it)
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Neil, are you at Bolton if so pm me
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Yes Charlie, I am. PM sent.
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Tbf 30% roi was never sustainable over a meaningful sample. -46% on the other hand is. How many have you actually played? What % swing would you get if you won the next 1 you played? (Have you even got a meaningful sample)?
The golf analogy just sounds like burying your head in the sand to me. Telling your self it wont happen isnt going to stop it happening.
Put your last 20 or so bust out hands into a re-player and post em on here so we can see if there is a problem.
Table selection or the first game that pops up when you feel like playing? (There is loads of easy money in these but also a few regs to avoid too).
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Tbf 30% roi was never sustainable over a meaningful sample. -46% on the other hand is. How many have you actually played? What % swing would you get if you won the next 1 you played? (Have you even got a meaningful sample)?
The golf analogy just sounds like burying your head in the sand to me. Telling your self it wont happen isnt going to stop it happening.
Put your last 20 or so bust out hands into a re-player and post em on here so we can see if there is a problem.
Table selection or the first game that pops up when you feel like playing? (There is loads of easy money in these but also a few regs to avoid too).
Mal,
What would you suggest is a meaningful sample for these Double Shootouts ? and what do you think is a sustainable ROI ?
I agree with you about avoiding the "regular" players in these. What sort of volume to you reckon the regular grinders are playing ?
Cheers
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Well Neil dont get to worried about the DS stuff I guess the same thing happened to me, when you guys mention the DS I decided to give them a shot with $11 dollors in account then upto just under $1000 in no time.
I continued to play lots more of these probibly in the region of 30-40 with no results, plenty of heads up then final tables but just no seats. It got a bit dishearting. So changed things as someone mention in an ealryer post when you play to much of the same game/format you get a bit fancy, I can say that happend. so I had $350 in account I took out $250 and left $100 in to fight the DS again as I belive they are very profitable.
So decied to deposit some money on a few sites with some decent promo running and hit the cash tables after watching a nice video on card runners talking about low stakes cash! This video was all about playing too fancy against weak players. they dont understand fancy as somone mention earlyer and solid ABC poker agaist these guys can be very profitable minus the odd cold deck. So In 9days of back at the cash games playing at only 0.10-0.20 and trying to limit my usual stupid bluffs I amd $250 in profit by just playing solid and thats with a few cold decks. I did get a nice royal flush yesterday but got it and with a guy with only $4 behind sucked.
I guess what im say is you just have to mix it up, enjoy it. your live and online result have been good this years. say build on that and take it forward.
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I cant remember the last time I won a seat in these!!
I must have played about 30 now without. The ironic thing is I won a huge proportion of first rounds but just couldn"t kick on.
Stick with it pal, you have the game to murder these
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Further Blogs available in this series include :-
Luky and Chip bust a bankroll
Luky and Chip don't speak anymore
Luky and Chip, where it all went wrong
I was looking over this blog this morning and re-read our opening post. When I wrote the quote above, it was firmly tongue in cheek, but it"s been two months since we really have updated the blog and scarely, some of the above has come true.
On a positive, the bankroll is very much still in the positive, however not as much as it has been. So, we"ve not quite "busted a bankroll", but we have had a reasonable go at it over the past few months. ;D
As for " not speaking anymore", well that"s partly true for both of us. But this is not for poker reasons, although Neil was probably getting fed up of my bad beat stories and general whinging about the entire poker world being against me. Work for both of us has been manic lately and this has had a huge impact on finding the time to play the volumes required to keep the ROI up to the level we had achieved.
But we tick it along, and soon it will be 2010. We"ll be back refreshed and ready to kick on again and once more Luky and Chip will build that bankroll even further.
If we cash big between now and then, we"ll post on here and let you know about it. That"s assuming the internet connection is okay from the Caribbean Island. ;)
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Caribbean Island? ANOTHER holiday?? We really don"t talk enough :-\
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Update?
The games should be juicy tomorrow with the $4 mirrion gnt.
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The reason for no update is because we have hardly played any poker for the past 4 months.
I guess you could call it a self imposed poker break. ;D