Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Live Poker => Topic started by: AceOnTheRiver on April 27, 2010, 20:59:08 PM
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I"m not available the weekend of Vienna so I haven"t been paying close attention to the sats but observing from afar it seems we have struggled to get the numbers.
Therefore, I have a proposal for Estonia.
Is it possible that betfair could "guarantee" 1 x seat + expenses package for each of the satellites to drive interest?
I also think we would get more interest for the standard 3 sats leading up to the direct buy-in rather than 2 weeks worth
Thoughts?
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Very keen on players views here.
Post away. ;D
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Very keen on players views here.
Post away. ;D
FFS I am going anyway
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FFS I am going anyway
Me too....probably!
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I want to go
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Is it possible that betfair could "guarantee" 1 x seat + expenses package for each of the satellites to drive interest?
I like the idea in principle with my usual caveat that it"s a "use it or lose it" proposition. That is, the seat and package are not transferable or sellable.
With a guarantee like this I foresee problems with "overlay hunters" poaching onto something specifically put in place to encourage attendance.
Anyway, I suspect that the "guarantee" would be unnecessary as the mere fact of having it in place would ensure that it wouldn"t be needed...if you see what I mean.
With all that said...I do like the idea for overseas events and even extended to other nationals....petrol and hotels ain"t that cheap you know.
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IMHO these tournaments abroad are only going to suit people who can afford to go to such an extravagant event and for local players in that country. Its not just the entry fee, which is mostly what these sats offer, the added expenses of travel, accommodation and spending money abroad is huge and for the likes of me and, I am sure, many others, is in no way achievable to attend. I struggle at the best of times to make the UK ones as the cost of travel is going up all the time and the cheap flight options are few and far between as well as rising hotel costs.
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I"m not available the weekend of Vienna so I haven"t been paying close attention to the sats but observing from afar it seems we have struggled to get the numbers.
Therefore, I have a proposal for Estonia.
Is it possible that betfair could "guarantee" 1 x seat + expenses package for each of the satellites to drive interest?
I also think we would get more interest for the standard 3 sats leading up to the direct buy-in rather than 2 weeks worth
Thoughts?
Good idea IMHO, as Mair says these trips are financially prohibitive for a lot of peopke, and this would be a good way of generating more interest in the Sats, and the chance for someone to bag a cheap seat.
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IMHO these tournaments abroad are only going to suit people who can afford to go to such an extravagant event and for local players in that country.
Quite true....I"d decided that instead of a trip to Vegas for the WSOP this year, I"d try and make as many APAT Nationals & DTD as possible. My choice...
...but Austria was just about swingable but is still going to run £400 easy, add Tallinn on top and that"ll run even more which make my attendance possible...but not entirely probable...no matter how much I"d like to have that experience.
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Is it possible that betfair could "guarantee" 1 x seat + expenses package for each of the satellites to drive interest?
I like the idea in principle with my usual caveat that it"s a "use it or lose it" proposition. That is, the seat and package are not transferable or sellable.
With a guarantee like this I foresee problems with "overlay hunters" poaching onto something specifically put in place to encourage attendance.
Anyway, I suspect that the "guarantee" would be unnecessary as the mere fact of having it in place would ensure that it wouldn"t be needed...if you see what I mean.
With all that said...I do like the idea for overseas events and even extended to other nationals....petrol and hotels ain"t that cheap you know.
I think it"s likely that every one of the satellites would have an overlay if one package was guaranteed for every satellite - I think the only way it might work is if there was one guarantee in total. Maybe something like make every satellite a feeder to a super satellite, so all the seats would be won from that and one package would be guaranteed.
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Anyway, I suspect that the "guarantee" would be unnecessary as the mere fact of having it in place would ensure that it wouldn"t be needed...if you see what I mean.
That"s kind of what I was thinking. The existance of the guarantee should mean we will reach the level of buy-in that the guarantee was representing and then won"t need the guarantee because we"ve reached it.....due to the guarantee!! Simples ;)
Is that a paradox?
Hopefully it will affect the mindset of people who want to play but see that there are only 9 people registered (i.e. $180 assuming a $20 sat) a couple of hours before the game when 20 would be needed to guarantee one package.
In that scenario I know I would register, given the presence of a guarantee - without one I might not. Plus Leigh et al would be doing their thing on this forum, other forums, FB, Smoke signals etc ;D
Its not just the entry fee, which is mostly what these sats offer, the added expenses of travel, accommodation and spending money abroad is huge and for the likes of me and, I am sure, many others, is in no way achievable to attend.
I understand your point Mair but this would be for a $400 package so $120 seat plus $280 expenses - winners would probably have to top this up but it will go a long way towards.
I think it"s likely that every one of the satellites would have an overlay if one package was guaranteed for every satellite
Why do you say that Jon? One of the sats for Vienna got quite close without the guarantee
FFS I am going anyway
That"s great Duke but you will still play the rebuy if there is one..... won"t you......please ;)
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I can see where you are coming from honest, looking for that guarantee of 1 package so it encourages people to play. The only point I was trying to make was that even tho this may well be a gr8 addition to the S4 calendar for some, the majority of people will struggle to attend.
When most poker sites advertise tournaments abroad their packages are far superior and include travel, accommodation and the likes which encourages people to play the sats and want to go.
With the small amount left over after the seat for this one there is still quite a lot to add to the total cost, and therefore, not worth it.
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I think it"s likely that every one of the satellites would have an overlay if one package was guaranteed for every satellite
Why do you say that Jon? One of the sats for Vienna got quite close without the guarantee
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Quite close to the seat value or quite close to the suggested package value?
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I think it"s likely that every one of the satellites would have an overlay if one package was guaranteed for every satellite
Why do you say that Jon? One of the sats for Vienna got quite close without the guarantee
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Quite close to the seat value or quite close to the suggested package value?
Just checked and it was 12 for $240 so maybe "quite close" was a bit of an exageration. Still 60% of the requisite players for the package value??
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I think it"s likely that every one of the satellites would have an overlay if one package was guaranteed for every satellite
Why do you say that Jon? One of the sats for Vienna got quite close without the guarantee
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Quite close to the seat value or quite close to the suggested package value?
Just checked and it was 12 for $240 so maybe "quite close" was a bit of an exageration. Still 60% of the requisite players for the package value??
The answer is that I just don"t think there would be the demand for it, and I don"t think that shows any evidence otherwise.
The satellites with a package might be interesting, but for something like future London based tournaments maybe.
i.e. Plenty of demand but higher than average costs
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I think it"s likely that every one of the satellites would have an overlay if one package was guaranteed for every satellite
Why do you say that Jon? One of the sats for Vienna got quite close without the guarantee
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Quite close to the seat value or quite close to the suggested package value?
One of the sats made the whole $400 package and a bit for 2nd I believe
Geo
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The satellites with a package might be interesting, but for something like future London based tournaments maybe.
i.e. Plenty of demand but higher than average costs
Depends where you are based....my costs are lower for London or Luton because I live in that general area....Aberdeen however is significantly dearer.
That"s why...if this idea flies...I"d be inclined to extend it to all the Nationals/Worlds.
Perhaps for S5?
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I think it"s likely that every one of the satellites would have an overlay if one package was guaranteed for every satellite
Why do you say that Jon? One of the sats for Vienna got quite close without the guarantee
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Quite close to the seat value or quite close to the suggested package value?
One of the sats made the whole $400 package and a bit for 2nd I believe
Geo
Yeah Paul Mc got the $400 i got the fecking bit LOL
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IMHO these tournaments abroad are only going to suit people who can afford to go to such an extravagant event and for local players in that country. Its not just the entry fee, which is mostly what these sats offer, the added expenses of travel, accommodation and spending money abroad is huge and for the likes of me and, I am sure, many others, is in no way achievable to attend. I struggle at the best of times to make the UK ones as the cost of travel is going up all the time and the cheap flight options are few and far between as well as rising hotel costs.
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I dont think APAt can expect much of a uk contingent in these games especially when there are more than 1. Personally i could never justify the expenses (time or money) to travel to one of these for a £75 game, you"d have to win every time.
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IMHO these tournaments abroad are only going to suit people who can afford to go to such an extravagant event and for local players in that country. Its not just the entry fee, which is mostly what these sats offer, the added expenses of travel, accommodation and spending money abroad is huge and for the likes of me and, I am sure, many others, is in no way achievable to attend. I struggle at the best of times to make the UK ones as the cost of travel is going up all the time and the cheap flight options are few and far between as well as rising hotel costs.
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I dont think APAt can expect much of a uk contingent in these games especially when there are more than 1. Personally i could never justify the expenses (time or money) to travel to one of these for a £75 game, you"d have to win every time.
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As a low stakes amateur player, my bankroll just doesn"t tolerate travel and accomodation to this degree. Bit of a shame as I love playing APAT events, but will be sticking to the UK ones so missing some of this year"s tour.
I think this is more about developing APAT through Europe, rather than giving holidays to UK players though, and from that perspective it"s a great idea.
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Personally I"d love to play all the euro"s, but I love travelling so the travel is half the draw for me,and what better way to see parts of Europe or have a quick weekend away than to go play poker. I"d sacrifice 2 weeks of sunburn, fighting germans to get a plastic bed round an overcrowded pool and a dose of Ghandis revenge, for a weekend in Estonia ( a few mates have been and have informed me the local talent is quite stunning ) playing poker.
Personally I think the password protected buy in keeps the numbers down.
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Personally I think the password protected buy in keeps the numbers down.
The password is there for a good reason...to keep the non-APAT players out. If we were to allow people who have no interest in attending to take part in the satellites then the whole point would be lost.
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IMHO these tournaments abroad are only going to suit people who can afford to go to such an extravagant event and for local players in that country. Its not just the entry fee, which is mostly what these sats offer, the added expenses of travel, accommodation and spending money abroad is huge and for the likes of me and, I am sure, many others, is in no way achievable to attend. I struggle at the best of times to make the UK ones as the cost of travel is going up all the time and the cheap flight options are few and far between as well as rising hotel costs.
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I dont think APAt can expect much of a uk contingent in these games especially when there are more than 1. Personally i could never justify the expenses (time or money) to travel to one of these for a £75 game, you"d have to win every time.
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As a low stakes amateur player, my bankroll just doesn"t tolerate travel and accomodation to this degree. Bit of a shame as I love playing APAT events, but will be sticking to the UK ones so missing some of this year"s tour.
I think this is more about developing APAT through Europe, rather than giving holidays to UK players though, and from that perspective it"s a great idea.
Wise words !!!
with regard guaranteed seats,,this would only generate one or two seats and therefore would not significantly increase attendance
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Personally I think the password protected buy in keeps the numbers down.
The password is there for a good reason...to keep the non-APAT players out. If we were to allow people who have no interest in attending to take part in the satellites then the whole point would be lost.
Strange... when BS were sponsors, not having a password was presented as a good thing. Bringing more players into APAT.
In any case, how would this be worse than the satellite not getting enough support to provide a seat for anyone?
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From a personal point of view I stumbled across APAT by accident about a month ago. I have since Played at The Vic, played for Kent in the league and qualified for Saturdays Online Euro comp. I would imagine that anyone checking out the satellites would at least have a spark of interest in APAT and I"m sure if they took it down, they"d be very interested and there would be potential to become a loyal member similar to my case. I mean non-members are surely potential new members.
Perhaps making the satt prize non-transferable instead of password protected would be less restrictive to the passing traffic , and would keep the prize in-house.
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I think all the apat online comps say see apat site for details (or words to that effect),,,not too much to ask if someone wants to play,,,at least people get to see what apat is all about