Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Live Poker => Topic started by: APAT on October 31, 2007, 19:24:05 PM
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I would like to release as much information as possible about the above event due to the continuing delay in completing it, and season one.
First of all, a bit of background.
APAT spent a good deal of time negotiating to hold our World Amateur Championship with one of the most prominent casinos for poker, in Las Vegas. At that time, our event was scheduled for the third week of July, starting the day after the main event of the WSOP. No prizes for guessing the casino.
However, and surprisingly late in negotiations, it came to light that this casino would not be willing to host the event as our season one sponsor was still trading in the US. This was an extremely tricky position for APAT, the sponsor and the casino. So various changes were made but it quickly became apparent that we would not be able to run this event as a standard APAT Championship event due to the number of events already scheduled for season two.
So the final event of Season One will be a little unique. It will be known as the APAT World Onlive Championship. The tournament will be broken into two stages with entrants starting the event online, with 10,000 chips and an APAT Championship structure (clock adjusted to give a similar number of hands per 40 minute level).
The online section will play down to a final table of 6 players.
These 6 players will then compete at a live final table, starting with the same seat and chip position as they finished online. The winner of the event will take a substantial first prize plus an expenses paid entry to the main event of the 2008 WSOP in Las Vegas.
The buy in will be in the $75 to $100 range and we will allocate 18 ranking points as with every APAT Championship event.
We are currently negotiating to have the final table streamed on the internet and possibly broadcast live. It is a complicated process and I have set a deadline for final decisions by the end of this week.
So we will announce the details of this event early next week, with or without TV coverage. The online element will be run in the first two weeks of November and the final table will almost certainly be held in the middle of December.
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Sounds great Des - can"t wait!
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Sounds like a fair few hours in front of the tv screen lol
Looking forward to it.
Dougal hates online poker and nosey loves it. Could be an interesting last tourney
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Should be interesting... and I don"t even have to dress up can do it in my PJ"s LOL...
Out of interest will it be Pokerstars or Bluesquare?
Good thing is we have just bought a second computer so hubby and I won"t have to fight over who will be able to compete.
Thanks for all the hard work Des - all the stuff you do behind the scenes is terrific. :)
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It will be on Blue Square Linda, they have sponsored the WSOP main event seat so I hope we get a good turnout for their support. I did not see your appearance on Sky Poker earlier this week, but had forwarded some images to the production team a couple of weeks ago. Hope it all went well.
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Thanks for the up date, Des
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Looks like the best solution to a tricky problem. Well done.
Will there be satellites for it?
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I wouldn"t have thought they"d need to run satellites (although they might want to).
As I posted on the other thread, this tournament is going to attract thousands of runners. A $100 satellite (with a decent prize pool on top of that) for the WSOP ME!
As it"s open to all on BlueSQ, as soon as the "masses" get wind of it, it"ll attract thousands of runners. What"s the maximum they allow for a tournament on BlueSQ?
It would be best if it"s announced on here (and via emails to members) before it"s publicised on BlueSQ and wherever else. I think this tournament will have the ability to significantly increase APAT membership, more than any other previous APAT event.
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what is 40 min (live) equivalent in online time? Is it 15 or 20 min levels?
You are probably right about the satellite situation. I just thought they may run them because all the other nationals had satellites.
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They might run satellites - I don"t know. Like you said, it would make it consistent with the other "nationals" even though this one is quite a bit different. Onlive - as Des called it.
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Don"t see why they won"t run "Feeders" into the online main event.
Blue Square run feeders for their $100 GUKPT super satellites.
Should be a good event. Looking forward to it.
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Oh - I think they"ll run satellites if they can make money from them (and so I think they will). I was just saying that they won"t need to run satellites to get a very large field for this one.
Great prizes, nice structure, and the right buy-in level for most APATers I would have thought.
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It should only be open to members from season 1, no new new members should be allowed to play.
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It should only be open to members from season 1, no new new members should be allowed to play.
I agree, BUT BSQ will probably have a problem with restricting the numbers. It will probably be open season on season 1!
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It should only be open to members from season 1, no new new members should be allowed to play.
I agree, BUT BSQ will probably have a problem with restricting the numbers. It will probably be open season on season 1!
I would just about come under season 1 members (so no self interest here), but why have a cut-off time when its an event held now. Surely, it should be open to members when the event is held, which I assume is consistent with last season. Its like saying, or less you are a member on day 1 of a season, you cant play in the events. That just doesn't make sense.
Its not only BS which I expect would have a problem, but I would have thought APAT would also have issues. Isn't the whole idea to promote poker and give opportunity to all. Why should there be restrictions on which day you signed up on.
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It should only be open to members from season 1, no new new members should be allowed to play.
Natural capacity is the only restriction we can put on entry to any APAT events. Had the event been held live, there would have been no guarantees that Mark or yourself, or indeed anyone challenging to improve their season one ranking, would have managed to secure a seat in the event. At least this way, you will all have an equal shot. And with six APAT online final tables to your name, Mark might have equal grounds for complaint! However, we are where we are and I think this will provide a thrilling end to Season One. Good luck to you all.
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Des, is there a maximum number of runners for this event?
Just wondering, as I"d expect it to get over 500 runners (if not a thousand) people wanting to play (might be me being overly optimistic - but the prizes are fantastic for the buy-in).
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...and what day will it be on?
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i did not want non APAT members playing just for the WSOP seat
if this is not advertised on BS, the field may not be as big.
plus i don"t want to fight my way through 500 runners ;)
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Although I am looking forward to the event, I do have one reservation.
a 100 buck or so buy in is absolutely right for this tourney BUT the WSOP seat does mean the following in my opinion:
This will be too high for the average recreational player on blue square that has not been involved with APAT and so I think it will be mainly the APATers
However this is great value (especially as there is a prize pool) to attract possibly some professionals.
We could be in the position where the World Onlive amateur Championship is won by a pro.
Not knocking the tourney at all, just an observation
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can"t MTTs on blue square be passworded and the password emailed out to all members (and not easily guessable) ?
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can"t MTTs on blue square be passworded and the password emailed out to all members (and not easily guessable) ?
They probably could be, but it"s not going to happen. APAT wants as many members as possible, and BlueSQ wants as many people as possible to sign up and play on there. This event is very attractive for all concerned.
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you cannot be serious
season 1 was on decent software and was played with a decent structure
but the season final is going to be held on different software with a crappy structure
this is rediculous
why not just draw the final 6 out of a hat
then you say the final will have a $75- $100 price range meaning
some of us will have to transfer money to play in a 1 off event
and it is open to any top dick or harry who wants to play with the knowledge that a seat in wsop will be addes many of these people will have no intrest in anything other than the wsop seat a few will even be pro"s looking for the value
more too the point instead of a LIVE event advertised at start of season we have an online event with a live finish inwhich we will have many more runners than in any event before but no extra points
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you cannot be serious
season 1 was on decent software and was played with a decent structure
but the season final is going to be held on different software with a crappy structure
this is rediculous
why not just draw the final 6 out of a hat
then you say the final will have a $75- $100 price range meaning
some of us will have to transfer money to play in a 1 off event
and it is open to any top **** or harry who wants to play with the knowledge that a seat in wsop will be addes many of these people will have no intrest in anything other than the wsop seat a few will even be pro"s looking for the value
more too the point instead of a LIVE event advertised at start of season we have an online event with a live finish inwhich we will have many more runners than in any event before but no extra points
So does that mean you are for or against it? ;D
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season 1 was on decent software and was played with a decent structure
but the season final is going to be held on different software with a crappy structure
So the final event of Season One will be a little unique. It will be known as the APAT World Onlive Championship. The tournament will be broken into two stages with entrants starting the event online, with 10,000 chips and an APAT Championship structure (clock adjusted to give a similar number of hands per 40 minute level).
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season 1 was on decent software and was played with a decent structure
but the season final is going to be held on different software with a crappy structure
So the final event of Season One will be a little unique. It will be known as the APAT World Onlive Championship. The tournament will be broken into two stages with entrants starting the event online, with 10,000 chips and an APAT Championship structure (clock adjusted to give a similar number of hands per 40 minute level).
he"ll still get them all in the middle with :as: kd in the first level anyway.... :D
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its not the starting chips or the clock that turns it into a crapshoot
its the actually structure
even live the structure wasnt the best last season as i told des during lunch before the start of day 2 in event 1
bluesq havent an option for running antes
running antes makes for a much smoother strucutre where you gradually lose your stack every hand not just 2 hands every orbit
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even live the structure wasnt the best last season as i told des during lunch before the start of day 2 in event 1
Structure? My stand out memory of that hour was trying to figure out how I got stuck with a lunch bill for 34 players ::)
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i was disscussing with you about the fact even though i was chip leader the blinds were still punishing and that the average stack was only about 10 bbs (i think)
and that a structure with a running ante was needed
i believe you have that in place for season 2 live events, a good move
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I think its a crap idea but i don"t care because of these reasons;
A. its half 7 in the morning, i havent been to bed yet and can"t think of points to argue on because my brain feels like its shutting down.
2. i would of played in this whatever you organised ;D
D. i"m going to bed to sleep all day then travel to walsall, see you all on saturday.
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I think its a crap idea but i don"t care because of these reasons;
A. its half 7 in the morning, i havent been to bed yet and can"t think of points to argue on because my brain feels like its shutting down.
2. i would of played in this whatever you organised ;D
D. i"m going to bed to sleep all day then travel to walsall, see you all on saturday.
you must be tired, you argues points, did not go 1-2-3, nor did they go A-B-C.
instead you chose to use A-2-D.
think your in need of sleep! ???
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Surely this has got to be password protected!! in what events did we have to wade thru 500+ people to get points..
Increase in number in an MTT = increase in luck factor I don"t think the dougal"s and nosey-p"s having played hard for a whole season would lose a good shot at an EPT through having to play in a minefield
my2c
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So...if the previous PS tourneys there had been 500 runners every time you would have complained then?
The fact is the BlueSq are sticking up a considerable sum...BlueSq members are APAT members so no password is required/necessary.
Poker = Life...it sucks some times...deal!
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Well done Des,
Only one event to go and you can put a seal on season 1, a great effort by your whole team for which a lot of us are very grateful (mostly those of us with medals :-))
Good luck to mark and nosey for the last event, hopefully one of you will get 2nd...to me of course.
75-100 bucks does seem a bit cheap though, it"s actually cheaper to win the World Amatuer than it is to win a national...i"m not complaining though as i would play it regardless and although the money is secondary to the title (or in fact third to the added prize of a wsop seat which would be second to the title :-) ), I suspect the pot will be bigger than for a national anyway. Just doesn"t seem quite right in the scale of things.
My only moan would be my usual moan about the points allocation, particularly for online tourneys, it still seems a bit harsh that you can beat 15 people in plymouth and get 9 points but you can struggle your way through 250 online only to finish 10th and get squat. I"m unclear why online is undervalued like this?
Surely the online points allocation could be done in a similar way to normal payout structures? there"s plenty of structures that could be applied pretty much as they are with a bit of judicious rounding thrown in. Example, 270 entrants, you could either go for 27 points for 1st and then work down to 27th getting one point or if you wanted to stick to the maximum of 18 as per the live events then you could spread them over 27 places, the final table could get from 18-10 points, 2nd last table could get 9 down to 5 spread roughly evenly then 20th -27th get 4 down to 1 point again spread roughly evenly.
I"m sure everyone has better ideas but at least the online points should be equivalent to live tourneys, they"re probably harder to win.( i did read someone talking about this before and going on about travelling to live events etc. well it"s a poker championship, not a travelling championship :-) )
This way, consistency would be better rewarded regardless of whether live or online and give you a better spread of players in the rankings.
Gripe over.
The password issue is interesting, the games used to be password protected and although apat wants more members, what you"ll get is potentially thousands of one time players who don"t care about apat and probably won"t play again and if you find yourself having to do administration for thousands of members most of whom are not active and only played one apat by accident/coincidence, you"ll be making life difficult for no reason. That doesn"t apply so much to the live players, but an online tourney can have any name and it doesn"t need to mean anything to a player, it"s just another tourney that they fancy at the time. If it lets you enter then why not play. That will definitely be the case with the world championship due to the wsop seat but the way i"m looking at that is if I want to be the world champion then i need to beat anyone and everyone so it"s not bothering me (but i can see why nosey would be a bit miffed as he"s not just concerned about the single event but the whole season, possibly 1000 players whose only interest is the wsop seat and who only play in the very last event of season 1 thereby influencing the point of the whole season over the past year, to find the the APAT Champion....would be fairer to not have the seat as an added prize but i"m certainly not suggesting that :-). Oh des, you guys have so many hard problems like that one to deal with lol glad it"s not me.
Suppose you could just make the seat an additional prize for existing members, that would at least force people to notice the event and register with apat, surely making a bit of effort if you want a good prize wouldn"t be that hard, and if they have to find something out about apat to register then there"s a better chance they"ll stick with it rather than just play the one tourney for the wsop seat)
Also gives you a chance to filter out the pro"s, well, the one"s you know about at least...
Anway, thanks again to apat for an enjoyable season 1 so far and i look forward to playing in the Worlds (and taking most of nosey"s chips again :-)).
Best Regards,
jukes.
p.s. note to self, learn to write short emails...
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p.s. note to self, learn to write short emails...
You"re not kidding Allan! Have you taken a day"s holiday to write this email ;)
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nah, lol, quiet day at work :-) (there we go, a one liner ! )
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I"ve finally got out of my sickbed,and i say bring it on no resevrtions, no no moans, ca n"twait.
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I"ve finally got out of my sickbed,and i say bring it on no resevrtions, no no moans, ca n"twait.
Nice one Brendan. Just stay away from my left.... ;D
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This final season 1 World OnLive Championship will appeal to current members and will attract many more who i am sure will add to APAT's growth. One thing that needs clarification for me though is how it will effect the current leader board with Mark on top with 43 points.
Although points are allocated as per APAT's previous season 1 championship events, they do not appear to have any relevance to the current season 1 leader board? Assuming that none of the current season 1 points leaders score, then is"nt Mark the APAT season 1 winner? Does this win give Mark a winners package seperate to the Worlds Series Package on offer to the OnLive Champion?
Please clarify for me ::)
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suggest onlive tourney is password protected, password only available via pm on this forum, would increase apat members and forum members imho
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This final season 1 World OnLive Championship will appeal to current members and will attract many more who i am sure will add to APAT's growth. One thing that needs clarification for me though is how it will effect the current leader board with Mark on top with 43 points.
Although points are allocated as per APAT's previous season 1 championship events, they do not appear to have any relevance to the current season 1 leader board? Assuming that none of the current season 1 points leaders score, then is"nt Mark the APAT season 1 winner? Does this win give Mark a winners package seperate to the Worlds Series Package on offer to the OnLive Champion?
Please clarify for me ::)
Yes. There are two packages up for grabs. By my reckoning, any one of the current top ten players in the rankings could win the player of the year title and expenses paid entry to the PokerStars Caribbean Adventure event. The winner of the OnLive alone will win the WSOP seat.
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The online section will play down to a final table of 6 players.
These 6 players will then compete at a live final table, starting with the same seat and chip position as they finished online.
So will, the blinds stay the same level. Could people scrape into 6th/5th place and have to travel half the country or more to sit down with 1 BB???
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The online section will play down to a final table of 6 players.
These 6 players will then compete at a live final table, starting with the same seat and chip position as they finished online.
So will, the blinds stay the same level. Could people scrape into 6th/5th place and have to travel half the country or more to sit down with 1 BB???
they could stay at home and get blinded off. I"m sure the money would still end up in his/hers BSQ account.
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Buy in at $75-100 too cheap IMHO. Should be £75 i.e. $150 at least, since this is the standard buy in for Live Events.
Other than that looks great.
After all if there are 1000 runners as everyone seems to think, at $150 buy in, this would actually generate enough $$$$$ for 12 WSOP ME packages of $12500 each!!!!!
How fantastic would that be, to have 12 x APAT members playing in WSOP Main Event?
I presume though that every check will be made to make sure that those who are playing are indeed amatuers.
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Buy in at $75-100 too cheap IMHO. Should be £75 i.e. $150 at least, since this is the standard buy in for Live Events.
Other than that looks great.
After all if there are 1000 runners as everyone seems to think, at $150 buy in, this would actually generate enough $$$$$ for 12 WSOP ME packages of $12500 each!!!!!
How fantastic would that be, to have 12 x APAT members playing in WSOP Main Event?
I presume though that every check will be made to make sure that those who are playing are indeed amatuers.
Correct me if I"m wrong but, its not a satellite. Money collected will be paid out using whatever payout structure is in place. The WSOP main event seat is added as extra by our kind sponsors BSQ.
Amateur thing may be a problem for this one though
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Amateur thing may be a problem for this one though
As well as generating traffic for the APAT forum, this is the most compelling argument I see for password protection.
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If an online professional wanted to play in this event then coming onto the forum and getting the password would not prove difficult. There is an element of self policing required here as has always been the case, but with this particular event, when we get down to six players for the final table you can be assured that each will be interviewed thoroughly.
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Buy in at $75-100 too cheap IMHO. Should be £75 i.e. $150 at least, since this is the standard buy in for Live Events.
Other than that looks great.
After all if there are 1000 runners as everyone seems to think, at $150 buy in, this would actually generate enough $$$$$ for 12 WSOP ME packages of $12500 each!!!!!
How fantastic would that be, to have 12 x APAT members playing in WSOP Main Event?
I presume though that every check will be made to make sure that those who are playing are indeed amatuers.
Correct me if I"m wrong but, its not a satellite. Money collected will be paid out using whatever payout structure is in place. The WSOP main event seat is added as extra by our kind sponsors BSQ.
Yes but then that is ante APAT ethos surely?
1000 runners, tbh I dont think that many will be entered, at $150 makes prize pot $150k. WSOP Seat added to 1st prize then becomes somewhat mute as 1st prize $$$$ would then be in region of $30-40k.
A detailed payout structure will have to be made public prior to event because I would play it anyway for the $$$$, the WSOP seat wouldn"t really figure in my decision to play or not, thereby negating our sponsors involvment.
Also the $$$$ then become more important than the title, imho. Which kind of negates the whole thing as an event.
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If an online professional wanted to play in this event then coming onto the forum and getting the password would not prove difficult. There is an element of self policing required here as has always been the case, but with this particular event, when we get down to six players for the final table you can be assured that each will be interviewed thoroughly.
Can I do it?
Can I get a big lamp to shine in their faces whilst I interrogate them?
oh go on?
;D
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If an online professional wanted to play in this event then coming onto the forum and getting the password would not prove difficult. There is an element of self policing required here as has always been the case, but with this particular event, when we get down to six players for the final table you can be assured that each will be interviewed thoroughly.
Can I do it?
Can I get a big lamp to shine in their faces whilst I interrogate them?
oh go on?
;D
You"d could just tell them about your Razz tourney in Vegas. They"d give in and tell you everything pretty quickly.
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The interviews will be for the website, magazines and perhaps TV, we will not be interrogating to find out whether the player is a pro! But I suspect it will become clear if he / she is. Perhaps by the third nail.....
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If an online professional wanted to play in this event then coming onto the forum and getting the password would not prove difficult. There is an element of self policing required here as has always been the case, but with this particular event, when we get down to six players for the final table you can be assured that each will be interviewed thoroughly.
And create another headache for yourselves if someone is then deemed ineligble. Where would you find the time to this? Would you then offer the seat to the 7th place finisher, ignoring the fact that this individual would have had an effect on many others playing the tourney.
It"s either everyone plays or password protected, passwords forwarded to all members by email, not posted on the forum.
I don"t really mind one way or t"other. Just don"t want to see you creating more work for yourselves.
Good work with the tourney tho IMHO.
Geo.
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So you"re not ruling out a polygraph?
("Are you now, or have you ever been, a sponsored professional?)
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So you"re not ruling out a polygraph?
("Are you now, or have you ever been, a sponsored professional?)
they couldnt ask that question, as it may rule out a previous APAT Live Event winner. ;-)
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It"s either everyone plays or password protected, passwords forwarded to all members by email, not posted on the forum.
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I agree totally,and lets not forget that the members did actually pay for the privilege of being members in season 1. Therefore why should someone who plays on BSQ take the cream of last seasons cake.
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I agree totally,and lets not forget that the members did actually pay for the privilege of being members in season 1. Therefore why should someone who plays on BSQ take the cream of last seasons cake.
That is actually a very good point!!!! :o
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I agree, should be password protected.
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when we get down to six players for the final table you can be assured that each will be interviewed thoroughly.
I"m sure we"d notice Barry Greenstein in a Groucho Marks nose and glasses disguise.
What official rules and regulations are in place when a well known Pro shows up at the final table?
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Say what you will, but the day APAT starts to turn new members away will be the day that the ethos behind the organisation dies. Anyone in this thread who has suggested that we make this a closed event should think hard about that.
Just because someone has not heard about APAT yet, does not make them "undeserving" of joining us or being able to see the value in what APAT does.
One of the things that most pleases the team about APAT is that although there can only be one winner at our events, nearly everyone leaves happy. We all work hard to create that and it would be a shame to start excluding players for the wrong reasons now.
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So can I be APAT's, "Pro Finder General", or not?
I"ll provide my own ducking stool :)
(if they float, they must be a professional - then we can symbolically burn their stake money at the stake)
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I don"t think anyone wants to "exclude players for the wrong reasons" Des. Everyone who has expressed an opinion on this has put a good reason for their point of view.
For the long-term growth and development of APAT, it makes perfect sense to allow all to enter. That can only be good for the future. Many are looking at it from the point of view that it"s not about the future of APAT (as we"ve started Season 2 now), but about the appropriate way to end Season 1.
I can see both points of view. Without the Season 1 players, Season 2 wouldn"t be what it is. Without APAT and the work of Des, Rich and others, then Season 1 wouldn"t have happened.
It"s unfortunate that there were obstacles that prevented this event from happening earlier. I know Des has worked hard to get round them. If it had fallen under the auspices of PokerStars then we wouldn"t be discussing this now. However, for Season 2 to be what it is (and what it"s going to be) - BlueSQ (and the Rank group) were needed. Their interests need to be catered for as well.
No solution is ideal for all.
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IMO, the key reason for wanting to exclude additional players is to increase one"s chance of personal success. Anything else is smoke and mirrors. On a personal level, we are all competitive and I"m not saying that wanting to take this approach is wrong. However, I do not believe it is the APAT way.
Season One / Season Two, I think it"s largely immaterial. This event is being held in a few weeks time and had it been held as a completely live event, who is to say that the key leaders of the Season One rankings would have made it into the field?
This issue is also not related to PokerStars, Blue Square or any other third parties. It is important for the future relevance of APAT that the organisation grows and we are the ones driving that growth.
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Ok I agree, the horse has bolted on season 1 and we have what we have.
Can someone address my two points please?
1. I think $75-100 is too cheap for an event of this standing and buy in should be at least the buy in for any of the live events £75 i.e. $150, if not slightly more noting the prestige of the event.
2. Can we also get confirmation of prize structure for tournament, noting that the prize fund could easily exceed $150k?
Cheers
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Ok I agree, the horse has bolted on season 1 and we have what we have.
Can someone address my two points please?
1. I think $75-100 is too cheap for an event of this standing and buy in should be at least the buy in for any of the live events £75 i.e. $150, if not slightly more noting the prestige of the event.
2. Can we also get confirmation of prize structure for tournament, noting that the prize fund could easily exceed $150k?
Cheers
Both still to be determined. I think $150 is too much personally, but will be discussing that with the team.
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Also what will happen in the event someone reaches the final 6 online but can"t make it to the live final?
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We will ensure that everyone knows there is a live final attached to this event, prior to their entering. If they enter and then cannot make the final I guess they will be blinded out.
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Both still to be determined. I think $150 is too much personally, but will be discussing that with the team.
Not sure I understand your logic here.
£75 ok for English Championship, but $150 too much for World Event???? It"s the same amount!!!!
I think it should cost more to enter the World Champs than the English Champs really, but it definitely shouldn"t be less imho.
What does everyone else think?
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I think this is an EXCELLENT idea- really looking forward to it. I don"t care about the size of the field or the politics- bring on the pro"s
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Both still to be determined. I think $150 is too much personally, but will be discussing that with the team.
Not sure I understand your logic here.
£75 ok for English Championship, but $150 too much for World Event???? It"s the same amount!!!!
I think it should cost more to enter the World Champs than the English Champs really, but it definitely shouldn"t be less imho.
What does everyone else think?
yep should be at least $150.
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Both still to be determined. I think $150 is too much personally, but will be discussing that with the team.
Not sure I understand your logic here.
£75 ok for English Championship, but $150 too much for World Event???? It"s the same amount!!!!
I think it should cost more to enter the World Champs than the English Champs really, but it definitely shouldn"t be less imho.
What does everyone else think?
yep should be at least $150.
Well at least i didn"t waste the whole of page 3 of this thread...i think 75 $ is way too cheap...this is the pinnacle of the year, worth at least the same investment as a live national but preferrably a bit more to give it the prestige it deserves. Yes it"s an amatuer title but a few stt satellites could be run to get round the entry fee...and a decent prize fund i"m sure would be used by the winner to help progress his poker as far as it can go...it may end up in a pro career, why not, seems an obvious place for the amatuer world champion to end up..(more than likely my missus would ensure it ended up as a nice xmas for everybody and i"d get a couple of hundred to load into bluesquare for the next few apats :-) )
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This has to be an open event and available to all.
I understand the thoughts of the points leaders and the APAT regulars, I am one myself, however we cannot deny people the chance to participate because they only found out about APAT recently.
Does this mean some players who don"t care about APAT playing for the added value? Almost definitely yes, but this will always be about when such great value and structures are on offer.
I understand a huge amount of work and effort has been put in by the team to try and get the World event staged, and due to alot of issues this compromise has been reached.
I am looking forward to an unique event with a massive prize for the winner.
Good luck to all APAT members (old & new) who take part.
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And there"s me thinking it was all about Titles and Medals? ???
8)
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And there"s me thinking it was all about Titles and Medals? ???
8)
... and the Fame and the Glory 8)
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...and the Guinness.
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I just want a free holiday ;)
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its all gone quiet on the World Onlive
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Right, finally got to read it....well not overly impressed as its online!! My only one gripe that i can be bothered to mention is my current situation, which Des you aware of????!! What can i do>?!?
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any rough idea of a date for the OnLive Event yet?
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Right, finally got to read it....well not overly impressed as its onlive!! My only one gripe that i can be bothered to mention is my current situation, which Des you aware of????!! What can i do>?!?
Lets see what the response to your letter is Mark and take it from there.
Oh, and FYP.
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its all gone quiet on the World Onlive
getting the regionals out the way
then we can sort Onlive, Association committee, Academy Live day, Manchester Satellite and Click Fest, this weeks shopping at Tesco, setting Sky Plus, and remembering to call mum once a week
;D
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Don"t forget to put the cat out
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Des, sorted the thing out, will be playing from now on....apparently!! cheers
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Des, sorted the thing out, will be playing from now on....apparently!! cheers
Great news Mark.
You have PM....
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When will this be??????
Please say the weekend of 17/18 Nov!!! I don"t get back til 13/14th and have a function on the 24th!!! (Ok so I could play the 25th, but will probably have the worlds worst hangover...)
Oh yeah, and bring on the pro"s... (the biggest obstacle would be the BSQ structure - unless thats been sorted out since the European Champs satellites????!!!)
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Early December at the earliest, November is impossible
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Hi Rich
Sorry I meant the online element of the tournament??? I was led to believe that part would be in Nov????
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It was mentioned at the start of this thread that it would be "in the first two weeks of November". Given that it"s now the 8th and looking at the chock-a-blockness of the APAT Calendar in November ... hmmm ...
We have an online tourney tonight (8th), Regionals on Saturday (10th), then the Online Qualifiers for UK Championship (11th & 12th presumably) and three Online Events (17th, 22nd and 24th) which are not posted on the Calendar.
With many hundreds of runners and riders expected, I wouldn"t think it would be a midweek event. That would surely then only leave us from 1st Dec onwards??? Unless, of course, Des and Co are planning a wee bit of jiggery-pokery (pardon the pun) with the dates of the aforementioned Online Events.
I suspect that APAT given the prizes would be looking to promote it HUGELY in PP and IP Mags (new issues not due out "til late Nov / early Dec) to try to attract as many new APATers as possible.
I therefore think (and hope) it"ll be mid-Dec before it kicks off.
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I hope it"s not a mid-week event - and instead is on a Sunday, maybe starting relatively early like 5pm or similar.
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The beginning of December sounds good, any later than that would be unfair on people who still have a chance of going to the Caribbean as this is on the 5th Jan
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I hope it"s not a mid-week event - and instead is on a Sunday, maybe starting relatively early like 5pm or similar.
Agree with Dan about the Sunday
I like to Drink, take drugs watch football and visit houses of sin 6 days a week.
Sundays are for praying and poker
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I hope it"s not a mid-week event - and instead is on a Sunday, maybe starting relatively early like 5pm or similar.
Nooooooooo..... Sundays are really bad for me... Just goes to show you will never please all of the people.
We think we have it bad.. Imagine trying to organise the event.
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I"ll be there for this whatever the structure, runners or buy in -- as for the pro"s sneaking in -- bring em on (where my pint)
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I hope it"s not a mid-week event - and instead is on a Sunday, maybe starting relatively early like 5pm or similar.
Agree with Dan about the Sunday
I like to Drink, take drugs watch football and visit houses of sin 6 days a week.
Sundays are for praying whilst playing poker
FYP
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So we will announce the details of this event early next week, with or without TV coverage. The online element will be run in the first two weeks of November and the final table will almost certainly be held in the middle of December.
weeks up whats the news
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So we will announce the details of this event early next week, with or without TV coverage. The online element will be run in the first two weeks of November and the final table will almost certainly be held in the middle of December.
weeks up whats the news
Trying to finalise details with multi-parties
it should be soon that we can tie it all up as we have a date and venue for live final proposed to the provider.
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As the first two weeks of November are up my fingers are crossed that you don"t hold the World Championship on Saturday 17 November, thats the night of the Womens Poker Tour event in Birmingham....... and as i"ve already won my seat to that event.... :-\.
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As the first two weeks of November are up my fingers are crossed that you don"t hold the World Championship on Saturday 17 November, thats the night of the Womens Poker Tour event in Birmingham....... and as i"ve already won my seat to that event.... :-\.
1000 players... 10k chips... on BlSq... the online bit is going to take 3 days!! ;D
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As the first two weeks of November are up my fingers are crossed that you don"t hold the World Championship on Saturday 17 November, thats the night of the Womens Poker Tour event in Birmingham....... and as i"ve already won my seat to that event.... :-\.
1000 players... 10k chips... on BlSq... the online bit is going to take 3 days!! ;D
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1000 players... 10k chips... on BlSq... the online bit is going to take 3 days!! ;D
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Unfortunately Rio the ladies tournament is 10k starting chips with a 40 minute clock and (no antes..... LOL), it is a ladies tournament - although not all the ladies but the most are, how to put it...... "a little cautious"... ::).
Although a one day event, starting at 3pm, the last two have finished at about 6am.
Sigh........
Probably how long the online event will last LOL ;D
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Bring on the non stop 3 day poker action :P
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will there be any news befor Sunday? :o
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Yes, targetting later this evening or tomorrow evening.
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that"s good
was hopeing to know befor i go to Vegas (Neil as well)
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(Des - announce the details and run the tournament whilst Wayne"s in Vegas, that"ll be really funny)
;D
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Still waiting.........
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Its very close, I have written the press release
Just a case of finalising one detail (out of my hands when )before I pop it up
Its been a tough and complicated task this, sorry for the delay
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If you are still around Rich, it can go up now....as per the mods board copy....all is confirmed.
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If you are still around Rich, it can go up now....as per the mods board copy....all is confirmed.
Tighty, Go Go Go !!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think he might have gone...
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I"ll put the press release up and change the name of this thread so that it does not clash.
One additional point, because a lot of our members overseas will be unable to play in this tournament due to the format, we are removing "World" from the tournament description. Our first Championship billed in that way will be the World Amateur Poker Championship in Season Two.
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That"s fine Des, it"s really the APAT Grand Final Event (like with the GUKPT). The World bit isn"t important really.
Like the time of the start and the deepstack. Going to be a proper event. Looking forward to it.
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By the way, based on the Snyder formula, this one will have a Skill factor of 6 (the maximum) and a patience factor of 26.27.
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Never come across this Snyder factor before? Can you elaborate? Whats the min and max patience ratings ?
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Fantastic, cant wait to play in this.
Just one observation, final to be played on the 15 Dec. same day as leg three of the regionals?
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I don"t mind missing the regionals the once... ;D
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At last, well done everyone,for all the work, in getting this together.I,m looking forward. though i"ll have to rush home from DTD,whare i"m playing on the Friday night.
The calander is so full,missing a regional,is a cross i"ll have to bear.
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Excellent!
£110, 10k in chips, a Sunday afternoon start and you"ve given us more than 14 days notice - very well done APAT!!! It"s like you"ve been listening to all our rants and concerns on the Forum! ;)
Only the last 6 make it to play Live though ... ? I thought it would have been a final table of 9 ... but I understand.
I"m looking forward to it immensely!!! (although it"ll no doubt be a $154 Event for me with 4 donked Satellites) ;D
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(although it"ll no doubt be a $154 Event for me with 4 donked Satellites) ;D
That"s how I price up these things as well!! ;D
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At last, well done everyone,for all the work, in getting this together.I,m looking forward. though i"ll have to rush home from DTD,whare i"m playing on the Friday night.
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I"m playing at DtD on the Sunday :"(
I guess it saves me having to put a $100 onto my BlueSquare account (and for that matter probably just saves me a $100)
I will be at the season 2 finale next year though.
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I have an invitation to play the £100 f/o at DTD on the sunday evening too.
hmmmmm its bad enough juggling work/family commitments let alone all this poker lark!......or have i got my priorities all wrong? :)
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Well done guys, obv a hell of a lot of effort has gone in to this.
Good luck to all.
Geo
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DES/TIGHTY:
What is the structure going to be for the live part of the Onlive event. I imagine the blinds will not be 15 minutes long. Will we see the standard 40 minute clock as per other APAT events or 1hr long clock as it"s a finale of sorts?
Or will this not be decided until you see how much "play" is left when six remain?
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I guess it"s also possible that the tournament could go back a few levels as well to ensure that there is some play at the final table?
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DES/TIGHTY:
What is the structure going to be for the live part of the Onlive event. I imagine the blinds will not be 15 minutes long. Will we see the standard 40 minute clock as per other APAT events or 1hr long clock as it"s a finale of sorts?
Or will this not be decided until you see how much "play" is left when six remain?
Hi Nick. The clock will revert to 40mins for the live final. We will certainly roll back to the start of the final online blinds level.
Des.
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Fantastic, cant wait to play in this.
Just one observation, final to be played on the 15 Dec. same day as leg three of the regionals?
Also same day as Liverpool V"s Manure.......wot do I do if I make the final :-\ The one thing for sure is that I have a ticket in the Kop for the match.................. :as: ah.....so I can"t really lose.........
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Fantastic, cant wait to play in this.
Just one observation, final to be played on the 15 Dec. same day as leg three of the regionals?
Also same day as Liverpool V"s Manure.......wot do I do if I make the final :-\ The one thing for sure is that I have a ticket in the Kop for the match.................. :as: ah.....so I can"t really lose.........
I"ll have your ticket if you make the final. Just to make sure it goes to a good home.
;D
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My early thoughts on the number of runners for this look like they were well off.
Only 57 registered so far, but I expect that to increase by a fair bit before tomorrow.
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Also same day as Liverpool V"s Manure.......wot do I do if I make the final :-\ The one thing for sure is that I have a ticket in the Kop for the match.................. :as: ah.....so I can"t really lose.........
Liverpool v United is on Sunday 16th mate.
Got a Kop ticket myself ;D
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My early thoughts on the number of runners for this look like they were well off.
Only 57 registered so far, but I expect that to increase by a fair bit before tomorrow.
It"s advertised on the log-in flashup now aswell, so people can"t say they did not know about it.
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What time is the "live" part on the 15th for me and the other 5?
I need to book my flights. ;D
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Is there going to be a live update on here for this event? I know people can watch it on BlueSQ, but you can"t chat on there unless you"re playing.
Just a thought.
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Hi all, and gl (unless it"s against me) see you all at the felt in about 3hours.
;D ;D ;D
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Post our own updates for all to see at http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=794.0;topicseen as requested by Des.
GL All ;D