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Season 5 Schedule and Details will be announced soon*
In the meantime, feel free to discuss areas you would like to see improved, changed, or introduced.
There have been a number of other threads in the past few months covering subjects like :-
- Payout Structure
- Added Value
- Overseas Events
- Pro League
- Satellite Structures (Package or Not to Package)
Discuss away................
* Definition of "soon"
Dictionary - in or within a short time; before long; quickly
Duffynary - Definitely not in or within a short time; before long; quickly
In context of this thread - Sometime after January 2011 ;)
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Season 5 Schedule and Details will be announced soon
I am beginning to get an aversion to the word soon ;D
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Online league
Some observations.....
Under the current format strength in numbers is the key component towards team success. A team of 10 players simply cannot compete over 10 matches with a team of 20 players. Obviously I understand that if the key to success is to go out and get some more players, Betfair would like that.
But if it means the league loses the 10 player team because they cannot compete then the short term gain becomes unsustainable in the long term.
Under the current points structure ( 9 pts for 1st - 1pt for 9th ) if team (A) with 20 players manage to bring 4 players (20%) to the final table, they are guaranteed 10 pts minimum, and thats in the unlikely event they finish in the bottom 4 pts places.
An opposing team (B) with only 10 players bringing 2 players (20%) to the same final table simply cannot compete in this very common scenario and even if they finish 1st and 2nd for a maximum 17 pts which is a +70% ROI on their final table pts equity. A slightly negative pts equity return for team (A) will award 18 pts and victory.
So as to not take away the reward available to larger teams but to still allow smaller teams a chance to compete, I propose a change in the points award system as follows....
1st 30pts
2nd 23pts
3rd 11pts
4th 8 pts
5th 7 pts
6th 5 pts
7th 3 pts
8th 2 pts
9th 1 pt
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Agree with Brendan on the online league format, but not sure how to fix it in reality. I appreciate that only the top 4 scorers can contribute to the team total, so in theory a team of 4 is as strong as a team of 20.... but in practise that just doesn"t stack up over the longer term. The team of 20 will continually win by virtue of having more players - take Walsall, Solent, etc as the obvious examples (it"s not the same players making the finals every week - they have such a deep pool that there players are generally bound to make the final table and points)
Pro League - not well attended and detracts from the very special £75 APAT National event
Live Updates - love the live feed, but it detracts from the Live Updates thread, and that is imo a bad thing.
Live schedule - nicely spread through the year... BUT it seems that the majority of UK based events are coming in a rush from end of summer onward. I may have that wrong and haven"t checked the calendar - but it certainly feels that way.
Betfair - Thank you very much for an awesome value add over the season!! More of the same next year please...
Payout structure - lets get more conventional... I hate the flat structure as it stands. Would also be useful if we could end day one after the money bubble, so all those coming back on day two are in the money.
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I was lucky enough to be at Swansea where we were given free beer tokens. It was especially nice to be in the company of John Murray who had an endless supply of these beer tokens and strange bras ;D
I suggest more John Murrays at live events to spread the beer tokens
apologies to conscientious objectors but without John Murray, how can we have free (stolen) beer tokens
Cheers
Not Ian
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Only thing i would like to see is staying away from dusk til dawn unless certain people there were more customer friendly !
Believe it or not its the ONLY casino i ever been put on a drinking ban etc etc.
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More traditional payout structure is the main improvent I wud like to see.
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hi guys, i agree with many of the points above my main points of contention are
1. pro game should be on the backburner as takes away many of the wanted seats in the main events
2. we should play until the money bubble, casino premitting.
3. the payout structure needs a wee tweak, nothing too drastic.
4. Sunday variants are great games and i would like to see bigger numbers as these are always fun, i appriecate its difficult to get dealers on sundays dealin horse, plo, stud etc
bring on the plo8 in coventry ;D
final note, added value - may we all have the PITCHIE effect lol
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Online league
1st 30pts
2nd 23pts
3rd 11pts
4th 8 pts
5th 7 pts
6th 5 pts
7th 3 pts
8th 2 pts
9th 1 pt
Far too top-heavy - designed with a view to giving all the points to the individual winner/second rather than it being a team game. In fact, I"m not sure that this is a serious suggestion or if Brendan is putting an OTT proposal in with the hope that a compromise will end up weighted a bit more towards him.
If you make the effort to bring some new players into APAT and Betfair you will be rewarded. You have a whole country you can access.
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Season 5 Schedule and Details will be announced soon.
In the meantime, feel free to discuss areas you would like to see improved, changed, or introduced.
There have been a number of other threads in the past few months covering subjects like :-
- Payout Structure
- Added Value
- Overseas Events
- Pro League
- Satellite Structures (Package or Not to Package)
Discuss away................
Details being announced soon does kind of suggest that things have already been decided on for next season. Is there still some latitude to change things if this thread shows an obvious demand for it?
Assuming there is;
-I think the Pro-League needs to be ditched and those seats redistributed to the £75 event.
-Deals need to be permitted.
-A more conventional pay-out structure needs to be introduced.
-A wide selection of sandwiches available all day
-"Paper" updates for day 1 - live feed for final table only if possible
-Anyone making day 2 of National events to have cashed (earlier start on day 1 if required?)
-Welsh event absolutely necessary??
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Details being announced soon does kind of suggest that things have already been decided on for next season. Is there still some latitude to change things if this thread shows an obvious demand for it?
The reason I"ve posted this now, is because discussions are underway. As I"m sure you can appreciate, getting it all together takes time, so plenty of latitude for change at the moment.
And if we don"t ask members their views, we go with what we think is best. We are usually right, but it doesn"t hurt to get a second opinion or two. ;)
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Pro League
I see where APAT want to go with this but the attendance has not been as spectacular as they might have hoped. I"d rather see higher seat numbers at the £75 level.
Live Updates
I love the live feed, but it can take something away from the Live Updates thread but I think that Luton proved that, with willing help, both can co-exist. Perhaps incentivising people to assist in one or the other might be beneficial. Overall, I"d hate to lose either.
Live schedule
Seems fine to me. With 10 live events (UK & European) PLUS the World"s Festival in August, we"re getting roughly one event a month.
Betfair
Easily the greatest added value we"ve had and an exceptional job. Props guys.
Payout structure
I"m not really fussed about the payout schedule but going more conventional seems to be the way forward. This change would, I hope, disincentivise deal making but I would keep the "no deal" clause in place anyway.
Day 2 payout only
I"d like to see this as an aim....I realise that circumstances and time limits may not make it possible but if Tighty/Leigh/Des think that playing another level would get us down to the money then I would hope they would take the right decision.
I fully realise that the APAT team work their collective butts off for the live events and put in hours that would cripple normal individuals but I think that KNOWING you"re coming back for the money (or not) would be beneficial to many.
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Online league
1st 30pts
2nd 23pts
3rd 11pts
4th 8 pts
5th 7 pts
6th 5 pts
7th 3 pts
8th 2 pts
9th 1 pt
Far too top-heavy - designed with a view to giving all the points to the individual winner/second rather than it being a team game.
Top heavy? of course, surely 1st should be rewarded. Not Overly top heavy at ~30% to 1st and ~23% to 2nd, hardly amounts to "giving all the points" unless of course you are an accountant and can rationale that 53% is indeed categorically 100%.
How can that then equate to it no longer being a "Team game" tbh John I expect a stronger argument from you and if may summarise your post.........
I don"t like it......
Why not John?.......
Just because!!!!
In fact, I"m not sure that this is a serious suggestion or if Brendan is putting an OTT proposal in with the hope that a compromise will end up weighted a bit more towards him than me.
Firstly FYP
TBH John this is more than a little insulting but I tend to make allowances when people I consider friends succumb to the multitude of human frailties we are are all susceptible to.
I think and hope it is fairly evident that I put some time and thought into my post.
If you make the effort to bring some new players into APAT and Betfair you will be rewarded. You have a whole country you can access.
This is a valid point, teams who recruit well should and will retain their numerical advantage. But the crux of the matter is that my proposal is not to negate that advantage but to offer a sporting chance to the few teams that are currently making up the numbers.
The reality is, you need at least 15 starters to compete within the current format. Yes I am currently a representative player for a numerically weak Dublin team but I could very easily just jump ship and play for Sunderland, Solent or whoever else. While that would be a simple and easy way to solve my own personal current difficulty, it doesn"t address the long term challenge for the league as a whole. Ultimately I would then be able to "compete" but would be doing that in a single division league against the remaining 5 or so teams of 20+ players.
Take a brief step outside of your current numerically healthy position and consider how many Teams and Divisions we will have for the start of seasons 7 & 8.
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Re: Online National League
It"s an interesting discussion. I like the F1 style points system, that might help the balance.
When I say balance, I see that the league should somehow be able to fall between these two statements.
A team shouldn"t be able to earn points based on one players finishing position
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A team shouldn"t be guaranteed points based on a significantly larger turnout of players
In the past, both statements have applied at different times, in my opinion. Limiting the number of points scorers per team helps the balance, but the more players in a team, helps balance that teams variance, which means they will perform more consistently.
And this league will be won by the more consistent teams. Every dog has it"s day, but over a ten match season, the volume does help.
Don"t think that solves the debate, but I am keen to fine tune the structure for next season, and that may include
Divisional Structure
Disbanding some teams
New Teams
Points Structure
All thoughts welcome.
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Re: Online National League
Don"t think that solves the debate, but I am keen to fine tune the structure for next season, and that may include
Divisional Structure
Disbanding some teams
New Teams
Points Structure
All thoughts welcome.
Online League -
I think it would be a shame to restructure the league from the current 3 divisions as we haven"t done a "full cycle" as in 3 league seasons , to allow each team to find their "nature league" if that makes sense?
I understand some teams haven"t had any players, so certainly some kind of merging of certain clubs, or disbanding them altogether, but I think the 3 divisions should remain.
Live tournaments -
Day 2 gets paid.
Less Non UK events - It is expensive enough to attend in the UK, without adding flights, and 3-4 days away, and I think 25% were overseas!
Betfair - Keep, they have been superb.
Other than that, all superb and may it continue to that effect. :)
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Less Non UK events - It is expensive enough to attend in the UK, without adding flights, and 3-4 days away, and I think 25% were overseas!
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It"s not quite so expensive for the people who live there though
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The reality is, you need at least 15 starters to compete within the current format.
Walsall (top of div 1) haven"t yet managed 15 starters. The most we got is 13, the least 8. In fact we have one of the smallest player bases in our league, the difference being that we have a lot of regulars rather than fly by nights. Eg Liverpool have 40 players registered with ID"s, Walsall only 22.
As long as one team isn"t swamping the league with players we"re OK e.g when solent got 18 players in the next highest was 11. That"s tough to overcome in the current format, but it hasn"t been happening every week. TBH I"m not sure it can be fixed by messing with the points. It can sort of be fixed by not paying 18 places and I"m still very much against the change to 18 because it more favours the bigger teams than paying 9 does IMO. I can"t see what else can be done in the current format.
As for other things I"d rather scrap the pro league, or play it on the Sunday, so that it doesn"t take seats away from the ME"s which always seem to be over subscribed. However Sunday is a big day online for most of those guys.
I don"t like the Euro adventure events - I"m not gonna pay £500 to enter a £75 tourney that"s just barmy. I"m not convinced they bring many new APAT regulars, they just offer a great structure for locals in far off places. If these are gonna continue I don"t think APAT league points should be given out at them. It rewards those with deeper pockets. If the Euros are to continue then don"t do them all together with Aberdeen in the middle - this just created a dead summer for most of us.
Scrap the live feed unless it can be improved. The most frustrating experience was trying to follow what was going on at DTD. Don"t do it at the detriment of the live update thread, because this is our only permanent record and is much more interactive.
Payout structure - I find it hypocritical to do a standard payout structure in Europe but not here, and then claim that"s what the Euro locals want. I think most people want a standard structure here too. Having said that I"m in the minority that am happy how it is, though the 4th-3rd jump at DTD was a bit too steep IMO.
Satellites for UK events don"t need to be packaged, elsewhere should be.
I was dubious about Betfair but they have been brilliant. All except for their software which sucks as does whoever sets things up online which never seems to be right. Added value though cannot be faulted.
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Less Non UK events - It is expensive enough to attend in the UK, without adding flights, and 3-4 days away, and I think 25% were overseas!
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It"s not quite so expensive for the people who live there though
Agree, but APAT is a UK poker association, and dare I say 95% of members within the UK... I understand it aspires to be more than that, and I fully support that, I"m just debating if more tournaments outside UK is really required at this stage when the majority of its members that play live are UK based.
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Can I just add that the "soon" Leigh refers to isn"t as "soon" as even my definition of the word "soon". That"s just to manage the expectations of those who will want this information before the end of January 2011.
The feedback to date is excellent though so please keep it coming.
Cheers
Des
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Des,
What is the vision for APAT in the future?
Knowing this would help the discussion IMO.
e.g. the post above refers to APAT being a UK association. Is it?
Many people want to scrap the pro league, but I see a future in it if I have guessed the "vision" correctly.
My understanding of the leagues was that it was linked to future plans, is it?
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Can I just add that the "soon" Leigh refers to isn"t as "soon" as even my definition of the word "soon". That"s just to manage the expectations of those who will want this information before the end of January 2011.
The feedback to date is excellent though so please keep it coming.
Cheers
Des
op adjusted
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Des,
Would just like to say, the only thing I would change about APAT next year is the payout structure. Oh and that I should be paid for advertising Betfair!!! LOL. Keep up the great work guys.
Dave
aka allinbob2
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Pro League
I see where APAT want to go with this but the attendance has not been as spectacular as they might have hoped. I"d rather see higher seat numbers at the £75 level.
Live Updates
I love the live feed, but it can take something away from the Live Updates thread but I think that Luton proved that, with willing help, both can co-exist. Perhaps incentivising people to assist in one or the other might be beneficial. Overall, I"d hate to lose either.
Agree with Paulie 100% with both these points
Live Schedule
Disagree with some of the points made re the forgeign trips (but then I"ve been fortunate to be able to afford them this year). If they"re not taking the place of any of the UK games and introducing APAT into the world then its all good. Perhaps some better scheduling to intersperse a little more, but personally i"d rather play these than the UK venues (other than DTD), and as money will be tighter next year I personally will be doing the non UK as a preference to the UK. Other than APAT I dont see any other way I could afford to travel to play poker for 2 days in some of the most beautiful places I"ve been lucky enough to visit and play in this year.
On this issue. Las Vegas in Season 5 please. Pretty please.
Betfair
Have been fantastic. Another season just like the one they"ve supported this year would be just perfect thankyou.
Day 2 payout only / Structure
I"d like to see a make day 2 and in the money structure if possible, but understand this cant always be acheived. Actualy payout structure I"m happy with to be honest.. but fully understand the pros and cons involved, I"d be happy whichever decision was made.
In summary I think APAT are doing a fantastic job, and nothing really needs serious looking at. Just more of the same please. Its really appreciated.
p.s. Las Vegas for season 5? Did I mention Vegas at all??? :)
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My opinions below
Payout structure could be more traditional, I would allow deal making for the cash only, not the added value.
Added value - obviously anything here is good this season has been great
Overseas events - Keep Dublin (if that counts) and at least one overseas event. Any others are a bonus and I would probably only go to Dublin and one more, like this season, same as most people.
Pro League - unsure why we need this. I think the $20,000 package could have been put to better use this year but that just me. It doesn"t seem to be that well supported though.
Satellite Structure is fine, leave as is. Packages are not required, Euro events are unlikely to get big enough fields to make it worthwhile.
Online league. Get rid of clubs that don"t get any players at all, ever but leave clubs that are currently building up (like Swansea). Maybe go down to two divisions.
A prize for the rankings winner? Obviously the current rankings leader this year is a luckbox so doesn"t deserve a prize but next season it would be good if there was a GUKPT seat or something. A CoC seat does not seem that special to me, the online rankings winner gets that and the GUKPT seat, again just my opinion.
Oh yean and if possible - obviously APAT Vegas
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If the Pro league was to continue, then it goes without saying it needs to be promoted properly rather than just hoping people hear about it somehow. I think it also ought to be No-limit as opposed to Pot-limit.
Would it not be possible to play the Pro-League events on Sunday instead of Saturday? I know the final table would clash with the £75 but you could conceivably have them running simultaneously and have the live feed switching between the two tables..maybe alternating each levels or summat.. (two tables have usually been featured in the past with the live feed no?)
This would also free up table space for the £75 event on Saturday allowing the usual 200 runner fields instead of reduced 150 runner fields we saw in season 4, and give those bustees from Saturday another shot at a title on Sunday (budget permitting).
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Less Non UK events - It is expensive enough to attend in the UK, without adding flights, and 3-4 days away, and I think 25% were overseas!
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It"s not quite so expensive for the people who live there though
Agree, but APAT is a UK poker association, and dare I say 95% of members within the UK... I understand it aspires to be more than that, and I fully support that, I"m just debating if more tournaments outside UK is really required at this stage when the majority of its members that play live are UK based.
I"m not bothered how many overseas events there are, so long as we maintain the current volume of UK based events..... that said, I don"t think the overseas events should give rankings points.... the attendance from UK based players is severely restricted by cost, and ability to afford should not be such a significant contributory factor to the rankings.
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The reality is, you need at least 15 starters to compete within the current format.
Walsall (top of div 1) haven"t yet managed 15 starters. The most we got is 13, the least 8. In fact we have one of the smallest player bases in our league, the difference being that we have a lot of regulars rather than fly by nights. Eg Liverpool have 40 players registered with ID"s, Walsall only 22.
As long as one team isn"t swamping the league with players we"re OK e.g when solent got 18 players in the next highest was 11. That"s tough to overcome in the current format, but it hasn"t been happening every week. TBH I"m not sure it can be fixed by messing with the points. It can sort of be fixed by not paying 18 places and I"m still very much against the change to 18 because it more favours the bigger teams than paying 9 does IMO. I can"t see what else can be done in the current format.
Fair point Andy and well done, stellar performance there. I suspect the problem is not as pronounced in the Premier league, a quick look at the current standings is quite revealing in that respect...
league 1 1 of 10 teams has Zero points
league 2 5 of 10 teams has Zero points
league 3 5 of 10 teams has Zero points
League 2 where I play and obviously understand best, the current standings are......
team members Pts total Total players at final table
Luton 63 11 14
Sunderland 41 9 12
Nottingham 41 8 9
Leeds 37 7 11
South London 41 1 3
Dublin 19 0 4
Sheffield 27 0 1
Glasgow 29 0 0
Plymouth 17 0 0
Newcastle 20 0 0
(Sorry if thats hard reading, don"t know how to align the numbers.)
Kinda speaks for itself.
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BETFAIR superb sponsors and thanks for your support
PRO LEAGUE not supported,so concentrate on main event
PAYOUT not too bothered,works for me as is,,but go with the flow,day one play
down to money,,,,NO DEALS !!!!
EURO EVENTS personally i would prefer more uk events where the vast majority of
members come from,,what is the idea of these events ?? Are they
achieving what apat what them too ??.If so, i stand corrected.
LIVE FEEDS love the live feed,compared with others our feed is great,,some sort
of edited highlights of each event would be good for future perusal.
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Far too top-heavy - designed with a view to giving all the points to the individual winner/second rather than it being a team game.
Top heavy? of course, surely 1st should be rewarded. Not Overly top heavy at ~30% to 1st and ~23% to 2nd, hardly amounts to "giving all the points" unless of course you are an accountant and can rationale that 53% is indeed categorically 100%.
How can that then equate to it no longer being a "Team game"
Okay, if we"re being pedantic, replace "all" with "most of". The point is that this proposal is designed to take away the team element and reward the top two disproportionately, while players further down the final table would receive negligible points. It is an extreme scheme, designed solely with the intention of favouring small teams.
With regard to the rest of your post, Brendan, I"m not going to respond.
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My observations
Make the payout structure more "standard"
Added value in S4 has been superb - no need to change (unless BF want to add more of course ;))
Overseas events are superb and expand the community so long as they are not at the expense of UK based events
Pro League - It"s not for me and my bank roll. The main reason for not wanting it seems to be the seats taken away from the Amatuer so how about moving them to the Sunday with a satellite on Saturday nights?
Satellites - UK events, no package, it should be about the maximum number of seats available (also for me the satellites after the direct buy-in for the worlds seemed bizarre)
Satellites - Overseas events, Package with 1 or 2 packages "guaranteed" by Betfair
Online Series - These have been on Saturday Nights with the exception of the Worlds which was a Sunday and by far the best attended - Can they all be moved to Sunday as it"s an easier night to play with less disruption to domestic....erm...commitmitments
Online League - I can only speak from my perspective and my division"s persepctive which is that with a good team and a proacticve captain it works very well. I do have sympathy for those active teams in div 3 who are getting very low numbers and therefore reduced value for the same buy-in. Can BF no more with their advertising both online and on the page to promote the league as I think they are great events to "dip your toe" into online poker (low buy-in, added value and friendly)
One small point, from a practical point of view, whilst I accept that many negotiations and finer details will go up to the 11th hour, can we at least have some "dates for our diaries" in advance of the main announcement - in S4 I think we had 1 week"s notice in advance of the first online championship and only a few weeks notice for Swansea.
Keep up the good work guys and I look forward to seeing you all in the thriving European metropolis which is, Coventry!!
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Season 5 Schedule and Details will be announced soon.
In the meantime, feel free to discuss areas you would like to see improved, changed, or introduced.
There have been a number of other threads in the past few months covering subjects like :-
- Payout Structure
- Added Value
- Overseas Events
- Pro League
- Satellite Structures (Package or Not to Package)
Discuss away................
Details being announced soon does kind of suggest that things have already been decided on for next season. Is there still some latitude to change things if this thread shows an obvious demand for it?
Assuming there is;
-I think the Pro-League needs to be ditched and those seats redistributed to the £75 event.
-Deals need to be permitted.
-A more conventional pay-out structure needs to be introduced.
-A wide selection of sandwiches available all day
-"Paper" updates for day 1 - live feed for final table only if possible
-Anyone making day 2 of National events to have cashed (earlier start on day 1 if required?)
-Welsh event absolutely necessary??
+1 to pretty much all of this - I like jollies to Wales though :)
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Hi forum, i am reading some negativity on the non uk events which is totally baffling me :o
I have been lucky enough to travel to these events and find that they conbine short breaks and poker together sweetly
Me misses is a non poker player but she fully enjoyed the apat spirt at both Dublin and Tallinn. Apater"s abroad make a fun and compelling bunch to say the least. Great camaraderie for the uk contingent abroad.
These games are also some of the toughest i have played. The winner of tallinn imo was an awsome player and you have to dodge a lot of mine fields in the emeald isle game. Points at these events are twice as hard to earn as the UK games.
Gotta go with Phil, Las vegas in s5 would be a beauty and with good planning you could see a good turnout from apaters
i hope s5 continues with these jaunts abroad and apat goes fully global with betfair helping out players with cost of travel and packages. HINT HINT
Shout out for Rich and Leigh who without their hard work none of these events would have been possible.
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Okay, if we"re being pedantic, replace "all" with "most of". The point is that this proposal is designed to take away the team element and reward the top two disproportionately, while players further down the final table would receive negligible points.
Not being pedantic at all John. I think any points I made were reasoned and factually supported.
The point of the proposal is not to negate the numerical advantage which some teams have and deserve and I don"t see how it does that. The trojan work from Captains like yourself in recruiting players, should be rewarded and carry "some" advantage.
I think its safe to say the top two would be part of a Team and the points secured for first and second would I imagine, hugely benefit those Teams.
It is an extreme scheme, designed solely with the intention of favouring small teams.
With regard to the rest of your post, Brendan, I"m not going to respond.
I really don"t get the extreme scheme thing, I propose to double the points available and to award them as per a tried and tested standard prizepool percentage breakdown, teams can still aggregate upto 4 scorers as per current format and league points are awarded to the top 3 aggregate scores as per current format.
Working on the premise that.......
- The larger teams have a greater chance of multiple final tablists ( see post #25 ).
- More players at the FT equals a huge advantage given aggregate points totals are counted
- A final tablist with 2 team mates also present has a huge advantage in the teamplay dynamic
How can you possibly favour small teams.
And, if indeed it was my "intention to favour small teams" then I have failed miserably.
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BETFAIR ~ As everyone has said, been superb. Try to keep if they can offer anything close to that which they added last year.
LIVE EVENTS ~ Make the UK ones as centrally based as possible, most people have to travel back to work Mon am and the shorter the travel the better on average. Coventry, Birmingham, Luton, DTD, Manchester, Sheffield, Stoke ~ these are all within 2 to 3 hours at most for almost all. PRO events, majority want them scrapped to create greater room for the main event and I have to agree, the Sunday might be the way to go as many have suggested if there is a real reason to keep them.
Play to the money on the Saturday is something I have said for 2 seasons. Not everyone stays over and to come back short stacked to play a hand or two and not cash can be avoided by starting/finishing an hour or so earlier/later.
Make the World main event a little better value, more chips(15,000?), extra level(s) (500/1000, 1200/2400, 2500/5000 ?), 3 days ???
Payouts I prefer a more stepped payout, but not bothered as long as I know in advance, however I don"t really understand why deals are not allowed, it is only natural.
Foreign venues I dont really see the attraction for a £75 game to travel that far or for that cost. If they bring in the necessary newbies/coverage to keep the sponsor happy then stick with them, but if not lets have some more UK based events. If so, Spain in Summer.
ONLINE CHAMPIONSHIPS ~ Great events with the right price and structure. I know the night will always be controversial, but surely a Sunday has to better for the majority and cause less "clashes" with other poker and "life" events. As someone said the one Sunday game got a lot more runners than any of the Saturday games.
ONLINE LEAGUE ~ This to me is the biggest dissapointment and I would like to see it totally re-invented. Many have been playing(signed up) for a team not getting numbers playing regularly, then they stop playing at all because it clearly isnt fair and this cant be what APAT or Betfair want. Teams have to be equal sized and should have a certain number.
I would like to see something more along the lines of the current http://www.circuscasino.com/online-poker/promotions-and-bonuses/las-vegas-team-challenge/ (http://www.circuscasino.com/online-poker/promotions-and-bonuses/las-vegas-team-challenge/) on Circus poker, where people get a team together (4, 6 8 players ???) and there is a play-off (live or online?) based on points accrued during the league. This has a greater chance of keeping people interested. Teams could be from people who form from their current teams (Liverpool Carjackers, Liverpool Fraudsters, Liverpool Shoplifters etc ;D) or from mates (bringing new people into APAT) or could be advertised for on the Forum.
Sunday nights for these are great too.
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S5 Thoughts
Online Events - please keep them on Saturday night.
Sunday League - I thought Brendan"s idea was a good one - I would also look to start these earlier and/or speed up the structure. (Get some earlier antes in there)
Pro League - If there is again a big package available - I would suggest that the points counted would be for your best 3 or 4 or x finishes. This year I couldn"t make Swansea, played London finished 8th, and then couldn"t make Aberdeen once it was moved to Sunday ... thus the package was gone ... and hence the big reason to play gone also. If the best 3 finishes counted everyone would remain much more in play and turnouts may have help up/increased. All that said it does feel that the loss of £75 seats is a loss.
Perhaps there should be less Pro League events (at the bigger venues). There might also be a case made for "Pro" online events with larger buyins. If the idea is to draw more people into the APAT circle that might work.
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online - our phil does his best to drum up support for stockoton, but we arent s big an area as the rest of you so we are fighting an uphill battle, had some great results this season with rewards due to other teams having more luckboxes.
Every event to be held in Tllinn please.
me to re-retain my european ttitle (yes i am keeping it this year)
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Live events - Love "em, only managed to play DTD and Dublin this year so far, really enjoyed Dublin ( apart from the Poker!!) but I can"t really figure out the point of the other overseas trips, is APAT wanting to be an international brand? If not, as some one said earlier all you are doing is providing a great tournament for the locals, lets have "em in the UK and then more of the UK membership can get to play more APAT. Lets face it there aren"t that many of us that can afford the time off work or the expense. As for a Vegas tournament that surely is just a crazy idea.
On line events - The $50 tournaments are terrific value, but Saturday nights can be problematical for a lot of people, I am sure there would be bigger fields if they were on a Sunday.
Pro League - 20 Grand sponsorship, for what seems to have been a very hit and miss tour? This seems way over the top, Betfair"s added value has been fantastic, but surely that 20K could have been allocated better. Scrap it.
On line League - Being in Div 2, this season I haven"t taken that much notice of the other Divisions, but it is very clear that the bigger the team, the more likely the win. In a recent match Luton and Sunderland had 38 from 65 runners. But they are great fun to play in and the structure is excellent for such a reasonable buy in. Maybe limiting teams to a maximum of say ten, and splitting "em into A teams and B teams might be an idea?
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Online League Points Suggestion - Team Score = Team $won. This way higher finishes attract increasingly higher portion of points, also slightly more points are awarded for scoring in a bigger field event.
Payout Structure - Change to a conventional structure, add alternate"s entrys to the main prize pool.
Deals - To be allowed for cash prize pool, any added seat etc. has to be played for. I know there are plenty of people who don"t want deals and that is your perrogative; if you are still in and a deal is suggested, then just say no and the deal doesn"t happen. However, if I"m in the last 3 and the other two also wish to deal, then why should anyone else"s dislike of deals matter?
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Pro League - It"s not for me and my bank roll. The main reason for not wanting it seems to be the seats taken away from the Amatuer so how about moving them to the Sunday with a satellite on Saturday nights?
Online Series - These have been on Saturday Nights with the exception of the Worlds which was a Sunday and by far the best attended - Can they all be moved to Sunday as it"s an easier night to play with less disruption to domestic....erm...commitmitments
+1 for me on JP"s points
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Pro League - It"s not for me and my bank roll. The main reason for not wanting it seems to be the seats taken away from the Amatuer so how about moving them to the Sunday with a satellite on Saturday nights?
Excellent idea..!!
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I think the overseas events really depends how APAT sees itself going forward. I would suggest that 95 pc plus of regular APAT players come from the UK (and Ireland) so maybe the one in Dublin and one other heavily promoted overseas event would do.
I would do "package" satellites for the overseas events and seat only satellites for the UK events.
I loved the idea of moving the Pro event to Sunday (would make it NL) and having a satellite on the Saturday night for any early ME blow-outs.
No real view on prize structure and deals. I"ll let you know when I get there lol!!!
I love the structure of the online League Sunday games, about right for me. I disagree with some of the arguments about team size. How can limiting the team sizes be right? Surely the idea is to get more people playing not less. I suppose you could think about pro-rata ing points earned against number of players relative to other teams could be done but that would disincentiveise (is that a word?) active recruitment of players. Do we want the league to be a cosy clique or do we want to bring more people into APAT world. That"s a no-brainer for me.
Finally, this is my first year with APAT. I"ve managed two live events and quite a few of the online ones. I"d like to thank the people whose hard work is incredible and also think Betfair"s sponsorship has been amazing. How people can moan is absolutely beyond me.
Keep up the good work guys!!
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Pro League - It"s not for me and my bank roll. The main reason for not wanting it seems to be the seats taken away from the Amatuer so how about moving them to the Sunday with a satellite on Saturday nights?
Online Series - These have been on Saturday Nights with the exception of the Worlds which was a Sunday and by far the best attended - Can they all be moved to Sunday as it"s an easier night to play with less disruption to domestic....erm...commitmitments
+1 for me on JP"s points
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Pro League - It"s not for me and my bank roll. The main reason for not wanting it seems to be the seats taken away from the Amatuer so how about moving them to the Sunday with a satellite on Saturday nights?
Excellent idea..!!
+1 (Damn, I swore I"d never do that! Now i"ll have to write something else.)
Rather than wait until sufficient tables are vacant for a MTT satellite, how about running £25 and/or £50 STT sats as soon as a table or two is free, providing one or two seats into the Pro event.
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Pro League - It"s not for me and my bank roll. The main reason for not wanting it seems to be the seats taken away from the Amatuer so how about moving them to the Sunday with a satellite on Saturday nights?
Excellent idea..!!
+1 (Damn, I swore I"d never do that! Now i"ll have to write something else.)
Rather than wait until sufficient tables are vacant for a MTT satellite, how about running £25 and/or £50 STT sats as soon as a table or two is free, providing one or two seats into the Pro event.
This worked well in Aberdeen this year. I like the idea.
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This worked well in Aberdeen this year. I like the idea.
+1 :D
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I like this thread. All good food for thought, a few misunderstandings along the way but that"s to us to explain better when S5 comes around!
Live events wise...looking at where APAT has been in S4, UK wise...where have people liked visiting and where do they feel disappointed?
Where should we go, UK casino wise, that we haven"t so far? (capacity, management and cost permitting)
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Where should we go, UK casino wise, that we haven"t so far? (capacity, management and cost permitting)
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=3323.0
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I like this thread. All good food for thought, a few misunderstandings along the way but that"s to us to explain better when S5 comes around!
Live events wise...looking at where APAT has been in S4, UK wise...where have people liked visiting and where do they feel disappointed?
Where should we go, UK casino wise, that we haven"t so far? (capacity, management and cost permitting)
LEEDS ;D
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I like this thread. All good food for thought, a few misunderstandings along the way but that"s to us to explain better when S5 comes around!
Live events wise...looking at where APAT has been in S4, UK wise...where have people liked visiting and where do they feel disappointed?
Where should we go, UK casino wise, that we haven"t so far? (capacity, management and cost permitting)
Missed Walsall this year! :(
For Scotland, can we use Glasgow/Edinburgh rather than Aberdeen? Cost of travel to Aberdeen seems to be significantly higher than to Edinburgh/Glasgow (didn"t get to Aberdeen - couldn"t afford it)
Best stop on the tour - DTD!!
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1. Portsmouth
2. Brighton Rendezvous
3. Liverpool
4. anywhere else it hasn"t been held before
New places are good - imo
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online league - I"ve found the team format very frustrating this year, due to not being able to get players to play. I"ve even pulled out tonight for the sake of an early night (and to write this post LOL). A lot of people like this the way it is so no real reason to change it. However when the online league was created it was with a view to it evolving into a live concept. Cant see that happening now so would like to see something different here. Still keep it low buyin but with a format that rewards individuals rather than the teams with the most players in. My suggestion would be an individual monthly league with 2 games a week. Top 10 play off for the place in an annual final for packages etc. Not really thought too much about this because I know most people prefer the current format....
betfair - top sponsorship deal this. Would like to see APAT players give a bit more back and maybe have something in place that would have players using the site more.
payout structure - surely time for a more conventional structure. I think day 1 should run until players are ITM. Alternates for 3 levels and money added to the payouts please
online nationals - sundays would be better, but could be a few bleary eyes at work the next day given the structure. I think 500BBs is too big a starting stack. keep it at 200BBs (4K starting stack) which is the same as live nationals and make the levels longer (20 mins maybe)
venues - I played Luton, DTD and Swansea this year
Luton - top venue - top dealers (when they got there)
DTD - just a superb venue. Wouldn"t change anything about this
swansea - apart from being in Swansea, this was a great venue - the dealers were inexperienced but did their best, were cheerful and listened to advice, so cant ask for any more there (apart from practice a bit more ;D)
As much as it is convenient - I"m glad Manchester was canned this year. (terrible venue for poker). I would like to see Newcastle get a tourney next year. I didn"t play it in season 1, but those that did spoke very highly of Aspers (It also holds 200+ I think)
Would be interesting to see if APAT would make the move to hiring conference venues and putting on much bigger tournaments. This would also involve them having their own chips/tables/dealers (and security I suppose) so may not be a goer. Possibly get the sponsors to stump up here.
euro stops - There has been a general lack of interest in these from UK players. This is completely understandable as it invariably involves a day or 2 off work and the coast of travel / accommodation means you need a deep run in the comp for it to be profitable. Whilst profit is not the main reason people play APAT competitions, it is still a pretty big financial and time commitment to go to a another country and simply stay in a casino the majority of the time. Having said all that, the euro stops were extra tourneys on top of the usual schedule so again there is no reason to can them. I"m sure betfair enjoy the publicity in these other stops
pro league - Its not really taken off. I thought it was a great idea when it was conceived and was convinced it would grow to be a success. The 20K overall reward for the winner has seen the last few games play out as games within games with seemingly less interest in winning individual comps and single packages. Either increase the buyin or can it. I"d go for the latter. If it is canned then there may be an opportunity for another pro-am event like there was in S2.
buyins - I think $10 for the online league is fine and $50 for online nationals is pretty spot on. I think Inflation means that all live Nationals should now be £100 (same as the world champs).
I think thats it for now. I"m off to bed.
PS - Many thanks to Des, Rich and Leigh and everyone else who gives up their time to provide such great poker experiences for us all
PPS - My campaign for what I really mostly want for S5 starts here
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where have people liked visiting and where do they feel disappointed?
Where should we go, UK casino wise, that we haven"t so far? (capacity, management and cost permitting)
DTD, The Vic & Luton have been the best stops IMHO.
Agree with previous re Aberdeen. I probably would have played this had it been in Edinburgh or Glasgow purely on the basis of accessibility (nothing against the Aberdonians)
Also agree with the suggestion of Aspers @ The Gate, Newcastle - Big venue and right in the middle of the city for a canny neet oot like
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I have posted my thoughts earlier but have just thought of one other little thing:
Day 2 of live events should start earlier than 2.30pm. It seems that the people who do make it through wake up, have breakfast, get showered, check out of the hotel, then................................... Bugger! It"s only 10.30am... What shall I do for the next 4 hours?
Maybe starting at 12 or 12.30 will also give people an earlier drive home!
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I have posted my thoughts earlier but have just thought of one other little thing:
Day 2 of live events should start earlier than 2.30pm. It seems that the people who do make it through wake up, have breakfast, get showered, check out of the hotel, then................................... Bugger! It"s only 10.30am... What shall I do for the next 4 hours?
Maybe starting at 12 or 12.30 will also give people an earlier drive home!
That"s a non-starter, down to casino staffing and shift rotas no venue will kick us off earlier than mid Sunday afternoon
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buyins - I think $10 for the online league is fine and $50 for online nationals is pretty spot on. I think Inflation means that all live Nationals should now be £100 (same as the world champs).
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Please don"t do this.
However I do like much of what Rob is suggesting, although more APAT stuff in the week (ref online league) would be tough to commit to as there"s a lot already.
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buyins - I think $10 for the online league is fine and $50 for online nationals is pretty spot on. I think Inflation means that all live Nationals should now be £100 (same as the world champs).
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Please don"t do this.
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agreed, don"t do this.
I haven"t looked at the figures, but as well as not wanting the price to go up - I suspect an inflation adjusted figure would be more like £85 than £100 anyway.
The buy in is a significant part of the overall cost, that"s a reason why I think it"s a good idea that the alternate"s prize money just gets added on as (effectively) a series of "savers" below the normal prize payout. I think the payout itself should go more mainstream, but keep the alternates arrangement the same.
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buyins - I think $10 for the online league is fine and $50 for online nationals is pretty spot on. I think Inflation means that all live Nationals should now be £100 (same as the world champs).
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Please don"t do this.
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agreed, don"t do this.
I haven"t looked at the figures, but as well as not wanting the price to go up - I suspect an inflation adjusted figure would be more like £85 than £100 anyway.
The buy in is a significant part of the overall cost, that"s a reason why I think it"s a good idea that the alternate"s prize money just gets added on as (effectively) a series of "savers" below the normal prize payout. I think the payout itself should go more mainstream, but keep the alternates arrangement the same.
| | RPI | |
| Apr-07 | | | £75.00 |
| Apr-08 | | 5.3 | £78.98 |
| Apr-09 | | -1.2 | £78.03 |
| Apr-10 | | 4.2 | £81.30 |
| Apr-11 | | 4.0?? | £84.56 |
I think a small increase of perhaps £5 or £10 would be in order to keep abreast of inflation.
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See this is why I don"t get up in the mornings, I just cain"t get my thinking head around stuff. How can you increase the buy in for a poker tournament to adjust for inflation when it"s an arbitrary figure with nothing tangible returned, or at least nothing guaranteed anyway? A tournament has no inherent value in the same way as a nice sandwich does, it just costs what you want it to cost.
I know the money you win won"t buy you as much as five years ago, but you have no guarantee of a return and for 90% of the participants a poker tournament is essentially the same as just losing some money. You can"t adjust losing your wallet to account for an increase in the RPI.
I"m all for bumping the buy in up a bit though just to have a bigger prize pool, but don"t see what inflation has got to do with it. What other poker tour or casino has done this?
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See this is why I don"t get up in the mornings, I just cain"t get my thinking head around stuff. How can you increase the buy in for a poker tournament to adjust for inflation when it"s an arbitrary figure with nothing tangible returned, or at least nothing guaranteed anyway? A tournament has no inherent value in the same way as a nice sandwich does, it just costs what you want it to cost.
I know the money you win won"t buy you as much as five years ago, but you have no guarantee of a return and for 90% of the participants a poker tournament is essentially the same as just losing some money. You can"t adjust losing your wallet to account for an increase in the RPI.
I"m all for bumping the buy in up a bit though just to have a bigger prize pool, but don"t see what inflation has got to do with it. What other poker tour or casino has done this?
I have to say was exactly like u reading about the RPI and wondering what it has to do with the buy in.
+1
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If anyone from Scotland knows of decent venues let me know
Scotland has become a huge problem.
Alea Glasgow performed poorly for me in another role, Mint Glasgow has disabled access problems
Gala Maybury"s Pies still haven"t left my digestive system
G Dundee is too small
International Aberdeen closed, G Aberdeen let APAT down
I might have to co-opt Newcastle into Scotland for a weekend
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No APAT in Scotland for S5...
Just shows what us players in Scotland have to put up with..
Sad day.....
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There is the option of telling the Maybury to buck up and run a better show and that includes the buffet
Tell them to go to Bains at Stenhouse Cross for their pies, they are the best in Scotland lol
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What about the Circus in Edinburgh?? Far better than the Maybury.
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Alea Glasgow performed poorly for me in another role
Having just spent the weekend there I thought they coped well with 160+ extreme drunks.. 90% of which didnt have a clue what was going on.. perfect preparation ;)
Thought the casino itself was excellent, very smart, easy enough to find, loads of parking and the dealers were all great. However this was after a copious amount of alcohol so don"t quote me.
p.s. a +1 for Liverpool next year please.
So thats Las Vegas and Liverpool votes from me for new Venues.
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What about the Circus in Edinburgh?? Far better than the Maybury.
i was there for the gala £550 event last month and let me tell you the buffet they put on was shocking(and yes there was them pies again) so i cant see them doing anything better for apat
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I"m all for bumping the buy in up a bit though just to have a bigger prize pool, but don"t see what inflation has got to do with it. What other poker tour or casino has done this?
Just because no one else has done it, doesn"t make it wrong. :D
(PS. I can"t take full credit for this reasoning, I have only amended someone else"s logic)
(PPS. It was early this morning, when I read the inflation idea... far to early to give any thought as to whether it was relevant! I was actually just hoping to shoot down JonMW"s guesstimate, should have known better!)
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Venues not used this year that would get my vote...
UK -
Aspers Newcastle
Aspers Northampton (if dealers can be provided)
Rendevouz, Brighton
Europe -
Grand Casino, Portoroz, Slovenia (Adriatic coast)
Perla Hotel & Casino, Nova Gorica, Slovenia
Both have top class hotels on site, at really good prices.
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Where should we go, UK casino wise, that we haven"t so far? (capacity, management and cost permitting)
Leeds gala
Leeds Alae
Hudersfield groves 150+
sheffield naps (and next to the dog track for the early exits on the saturday)
and for anyone from apat who does not know where yorkshire is http://www.oldyorkshire.co.uk/Old-yorkshire-map-large.html
stoke & blackpool
and for the COC event Ger house
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sheffield naps (and next to the dog track for the early exits on the saturday)
SOLD!!!
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Given that Walsall seems to have dropped out of scope, how about The Broadway or Star City...
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Honest now was there only me that liked those pies?
Venues - Amsterdam Casino is nice, I agree with Aspers Newcastle and Stoke Circus has a good room and is use to handling big comps.
Dates - I"ve not be able to make any this year but don"t mind me.
Pro Tourney - Would be wise to cancel now before the last leg IMO just to save Eck a lot of side bets.
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Given that Walsall seems to have dropped out of scope, how about The Broadway or Star City...
Broadway is this worst casino I"ve ever been to... NO GUINNESS!!!
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Leeds and Sheffield both have venues which can cater for 150+ runners
Newcastle for the Scottish leg
Blackpool for the Irish leg
Bristol for the Welsh leg
Brighton for the European leg
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Given that Walsall seems to have dropped out of scope, how about The Broadway or Star City...
Broadway is this worst casino I"ve ever been to... NO GUINNESS!!!
I LOVE The Broadway! They might not serve Guinness by the pint, but they know how to make a good Baby Guinness. ;)
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What about the Circus in Edinburgh?? Far better than the Maybury.
Not really big enuf they could squeeze a few more tables, but they don"t have the dealers and will not pay to bring them in, I spoke to Chris one day at OP and they definetely wouldnt even consider it
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Alea Glasgow performed poorly for me in another role
Having just spent the weekend there I thought they coped well with 160+ extreme drunks.. 90% of which didnt have a clue what was going on.. perfect preparation ;)
Thought the casino itself was excellent, very smart, easy enough to find, loads of parking and the dealers were all great. However this was after a copious amount of alcohol so don"t quote me.
p.s. a +1 for Liverpool next year please.
So thats Las Vegas and Liverpool votes from me for new Venues.
I thought the Alea was brilliant too, totally well run, dealers were brilliant and really experienced and the casino itself is really gr8 and spacious
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Alea Glasgow is a great property, depends on whether the management are keen on hosting large scale poker now. Signs are more encouraging it seems.
My experience earlier this year was horrendous (as an organiser), but will investigate.
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The only thing I"d say is perhaps trying to make the online league (especially if it stays as a Sunday) starts a little earlier than 8, perhaps 7pm. Just makes it easier for those with an early start on a Monday morning.
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Just read all this - good stuff!
Venues: Newcastle and Brighton. And Vegas, if it"s in the school holidays (May half term?)
Online $50 events: Sundays. I can never make Saturday.
Day 2 cash: would be nice, but clearly it"s difficult. I like the idea of a 12.30pm start on Sunday, but I know that is difficult too.
And of course, Des and the team are immense!
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Ooooh ooooh one more thing I forgot to mention earlier, but may have discussed in the past; As APAT is a trailblazing organisation fearless in its pursuit of the perfect pokering experience, never afraid to take the lead with new concepts and ideas, can we introduce a ban on the wearing of sunglasses and other non-prescription eye-wear including pirates style patches, monocles and cats-eye type contact lenses.
I find it a complete nonsense to sport these forms of eye-wear indoors, unless it"s David Hasslehoff who always looks awesome, but for everyone else, a nonsense especially at the poker tables. It"s my biggest poker bugbear next to the shrieking of STRING RAISE whenever someone fumbles chips across the line.
I can just about accept players wearing shades at high stakes events, but APAT isn"t high stakes so it just looks daft. It"s the poker equivalent of pub team footballers wearing silver boots and pulling their socks up above their knees cause Ronaldo does it.
I ask for this ban not because it gives a player an edge, but because it"s about helping to educate recreational players prone to doing silly things as a consequence of watching too much poker on telly. It"s like students who dress so indiscriminately the moment they move away from their parents house because it"s the first time they"ve been able to wear what they want without their mother"s disapproval. It takes time before they realise just why their mother"s were so strict...because they"d look ridiculous. But by the time these people realise and revert to more sensible daywear, it"s too late - they"ve spent three years going outside dressed like a lump of stinking crap and it"s how so many people will always remember them.
Let"s not let the same thing happen to our APAT brothers and sisters...mostly brothers. I"m loathe to ban anyone from doing anything, but I feel on this issue it is a necessary embargo.
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One rule for the Hoff and one rule for the rest of us
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Newcastle has a massive poker following and if it had an event APAT would start getting a bigger following "up north".
There are hardly any "decent" events up here. APAT are definitley missing a trick by not holding an event at Newcastle.
People would prob start playing for the Newcastle online league if this was to happen as they struggle for runners online.
Aspers - 220 seats i think
Also the Circus Casino is going through a 1.5m revamp to increase their capacity.
We have just started supporting APAT this year and its defo the way forward for people like myself to progress in the game and i have no complaints whats so ever.
I personally would like to see an Individual National Online League.
$10 buyin.
Same format as the Team game on a Sunday.
All runners would have to be signed up on here to increase activity on forum.
Played every week on a Wednesday.
The league could be run towards packages for Vegas - An already generous Mr Betfair might be able to help out here.
The banter would be awesome in these games and introduce another competive element with something to play for at an affordable buyin.
Would that work? I reckon it would.
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An APAT event was held in Aspers Newcastle in Season One. Since then the card-room has been "opened out" and is even more impressive. I like the venue, indeed am orgainsing an event there in January 2011 for another business.
Definitely on my list for S5 subject to cost and them wanting us
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There are a lot of great ideas on here, what I would like to suggest is that for season 5 rather than have one thread to discuss the overall aspects is to break it down into categories, Ie Online Nationals, Team Championships, Live Games etc. that way peoples input into each aspect of the game can easily be seen and the direction of each individual thread more specific. You could begin each thread by summarising what has already been said on here and continue the discussion that way.
Just food for thought ;)
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excellent suggestion
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Ooooh ooooh one more thing I forgot to mention earlier, but may have discussed in the past; As APAT is a trailblazing organisation fearless in its pursuit of the perfect pokering experience, never afraid to take the lead with new concepts and ideas, can we introduce a ban on the wearing of sunglasses and other non-prescription eye-wear including pirates style patches, monocles and cats-eye type contact lenses.
I find it a complete nonsense to sport these forms of eye-wear indoors, unless it"s David Hasslehoff who always looks awesome, but for everyone else, a nonsense especially at the poker tables. It"s my biggest poker bugbear next to the shrieking of STRING RAISE whenever someone fumbles chips across the line.
I can just about accept players wearing shades at high stakes events, but APAT isn"t high stakes so it just looks daft. It"s the poker equivalent of pub team footballers wearing silver boots and pulling their socks up above their knees cause Ronaldo does it.
I ask for this ban not because it gives a player an edge, but because it"s about helping to educate recreational players prone to doing silly things as a consequence of watching too much poker on telly. It"s like students who dress so indiscriminately the moment they move away from their parents house because it"s the first time they"ve been able to wear what they want without their mother"s disapproval. It takes time before they realise just why their mother"s were so strict...because they"d look ridiculous. But by the time these people realise and revert to more sensible daywear, it"s too late - they"ve spent three years going outside dressed like a lump of stinking crap and it"s how so many people will always remember them.
Let"s not let the same thing happen to our APAT brothers and sisters...mostly brothers. I"m loathe to ban anyone from doing anything, but I feel on this issue it is a necessary embargo.
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+1 (Doh! Done it again.)
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Let"s bump up them antes - http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-journal.php?subaction=showfull&id=1289951723&archive=&start_from=&ucat=&
But if we do, we"ll need to introduce them in a repeated level ie. 100/200 followed by 100/200/25.
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Bump up the buy in to £100. (Jon, you are such a nit ;D)
Traditional structure
JP"s idea for the Pro event is excellent
Northampton FTW
CBA with the online league really but I understand it popular, so keep it the same.
Oh and please can you allow non-national teams to the world team event next year.
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Bump up the buy in to £100. (Jon, you are such a nit ;D)
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Have you noticed the drop off in demand this season?
If the buy in goes up to £100 I"d expect to see UK based national events not selling out
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Bump up the buy in to £100. (Jon, you are such a nit ;D)
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Have you noticed the drop off in demand this season?
If the buy in goes up to £100 I"d expect to see UK based national events not selling out
Or other people might be attracted to the bigger prize pool
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Bump up the buy in to £100. (Jon, you are such a nit ;D)
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Have you noticed the drop off in demand this season?
If the buy in goes up to £100 I"d expect to see UK based national events not selling out
Or other people might be attracted to the bigger prize pool
My prediction - it won"t
Judgement call though
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Bump up the buy in to £100. (Jon, you are such a nit ;D)
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Have you noticed the drop off in demand this season?
If the buy in goes up to £100 I"d expect to see UK based national events not selling out
Or other people might be attracted to the bigger prize pool
My prediction - it won"t
Judgement call though
I read that as "judgmental" initially and was about to agree with you ;D only joking. I think the demand has been there, the events have all sold out haven"t they? They just haven"t sold out as quickly, but that might be because of various problems with buying in through Betfair. Previous seasons it was much easier to locate the buy-in page. The World event was £100 and had two day 1s no? So I think it"s worth extending the increase in buy-ins to all Nationals, it can always be re-assessed mid-season.
You"re a resourceful man Jon, you can recover this £25 by staying in hotels that charge by the hour instead of the whole night, they"re generally in the seedier parts of town, but one mans seedy is another mans frugality.
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Bump up the buy in to £100. (Jon, you are such a nit ;D)
No thanks :(
Newcastle would obv be closer to the stockton massive, but on that note i think it should be pointed out that we kind of like having to travel to events, we make a proper weekend of it and being away is probably the most fun part.
Not saying we wouldnt go, we obv would, but just a little post to say we also like invading other peoples cities :)
AND Newcastle is full of geordies. Which isnt so good.
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Ooooh ooooh one more thing I forgot to mention earlier, but may have discussed in the past; As APAT is a trailblazing organisation fearless in its pursuit of the perfect pokering experience, never afraid to take the lead with new concepts and ideas, can we introduce a ban on the wearing of sunglasses and other non-prescription eye-wear including pirates style patches, monocles and cats-eye type contact lenses.
I find it a complete nonsense to sport these forms of eye-wear indoors, unless it"s David Hasslehoff who always looks awesome, but for everyone else, a nonsense especially at the poker tables. It"s my biggest poker bugbear next to the shrieking of STRING RAISE whenever someone fumbles chips across the line.
I can just about accept players wearing shades at high stakes events, but APAT isn"t high stakes so it just looks daft. It"s the poker equivalent of pub team footballers wearing silver boots and pulling their socks up above their knees cause Ronaldo does it.
I ask for this ban not because it gives a player an edge, but because it"s about helping to educate recreational players prone to doing silly things as a consequence of watching too much poker on telly. It"s like students who dress so indiscriminately the moment they move away from their parents house because it"s the first time they"ve been able to wear what they want without their mother"s disapproval. It takes time before they realise just why their mother"s were so strict...because they"d look ridiculous. But by the time these people realise and revert to more sensible daywear, it"s too late - they"ve spent three years going outside dressed like a lump of stinking crap and it"s how so many people will always remember them.
Let"s not let the same thing happen to our APAT brothers and sisters...mostly brothers. I"m loathe to ban anyone from doing anything, but I feel on this issue it is a necessary embargo.
[?] 8) [?] :)
+1 (Doh! Done it again.)
+ another 1. Also hoodies, caps, personal stereos and anything with a poker logo that the wearer has bought for himself! Can"t decide which looks the the most wannabe.
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Ooooh ooooh one more thing I forgot to mention earlier, but may have discussed in the past; As APAT is a trailblazing organisation fearless in its pursuit of the perfect pokering experience, never afraid to take the lead with new concepts and ideas, can we introduce a ban on the wearing of sunglasses and other non-prescription eye-wear including pirates style patches, monocles and cats-eye type contact lenses.
I find it a complete nonsense to sport these forms of eye-wear indoors, unless it"s David Hasslehoff who always looks awesome, but for everyone else, a nonsense especially at the poker tables. It"s my biggest poker bugbear next to the shrieking of STRING RAISE whenever someone fumbles chips across the line.
I can just about accept players wearing shades at high stakes events, but APAT isn"t high stakes so it just looks daft. It"s the poker equivalent of pub team footballers wearing silver boots and pulling their socks up above their knees cause Ronaldo does it.
I ask for this ban not because it gives a player an edge, but because it"s about helping to educate recreational players prone to doing silly things as a consequence of watching too much poker on telly. It"s like students who dress so indiscriminately the moment they move away from their parents house because it"s the first time they"ve been able to wear what they want without their mother"s disapproval. It takes time before they realise just why their mother"s were so strict...because they"d look ridiculous. But by the time these people realise and revert to more sensible daywear, it"s too late - they"ve spent three years going outside dressed like a lump of stinking crap and it"s how so many people will always remember them.
Let"s not let the same thing happen to our APAT brothers and sisters...mostly brothers. I"m loathe to ban anyone from doing anything, but I feel on this issue it is a necessary embargo.
[?] 8) [?] :)
+1 (Doh! Done it again.)
+ another 1. Also hoodies, caps, personal stereos and anything with a poker logo that the wearer has bought for himself! Can"t decide which looks the the most wannabe.
Phil Tompkinson?
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Please never ban hoodies and ipods during the worlds at DTD season 5.
HOODIE = Useful, when unlucky enough to have to sit underneath air con unit.
IPOD = Useful, when unlucky enough to have to sit on table with 2 or more of the local regs, who are constantly
Chatting BS and name dropping etc.
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Please never ban hoodies and ipods during the worlds at DTD season 5.
HOODIE = Useful, when unlucky enough to have to sit underneath air con unit.
IPOD = Useful, when unlucky enough to have to sit on table with Scouse, Dan, or Craig
FYP ;D ;D ;D
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Online team games
Lessening the advantage of the larger teams.
One thing that doesn"t seem to have been considered is dividing "the number of points won by a team" by "the number of members of that team who played that game" (or even a division of this latter number).
These following methods can be adjusted as necessary.
eg.1. Team Hollywood comes 1st and 6th for lets say, 18 points and has a total of 11 players entered. Their score for that game is 18/11 = 1.64 (rounded up). Using larger points scale will be necessary for more realistic looking tables as people may underestimate the value of even a single league point difference.
eg.2. Divide the number of players entered by 3 (or whatever number seems best) always rounding up, before making a similar calculation as above. So 18 points would be divided by (11/3 = 3.66r, rounded up = 4) giving 18/4 = a score of 4.5. Again these scores can be increased by awarding a larger points scale.
The same methods using a larger number of participants eg 19 players would award (eg.1) 0.95 pts or (eg.2) 2.57 pts
Even then, these award figures can be multiplied by 10 for more realistic looking points tables.
Larger teams will still have the advantage of being more likely to have the opportunity to employ team tactics.
All that either of the above two methods does, is to better award points proportionally in relation to team numbers in any given game. In these circumstances people like myself will be more willing to turn out for a smaller team, knowing our lack of numbers is not now such a massive handicap as although smaller teams will win points less often, when they do, their awarded score will tend to be bigger.
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Online team games
Lessening the advantage of the larger teams.
One thing that doesn"t seem to have been considered is dividing "the number of points won by a team" by "the number of members of that team who played that game" (or even a division of this latter number).
Larger teams will still have the advantage of being more likely to have the opportunity to employ team tactics.
Excellent idea John.
Without some form of handicap, this competition quickly becomes a case of "victory via supreme firepower" and as has been evidenced recently, some of the smaller teams basically give up mid-season.
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Spot on John!!
(when did you wake up? ;D )
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Great idea John.
I for one would return to playing League games if this type of format was adopted.
I was disheartened, when after registering, you find yourself in a "team" of 3, against teams of 12,13,14 etc.
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Ooooh ooooh one more thing I forgot to mention earlier, but may have discussed in the past; As APAT is a trailblazing organisation fearless in its pursuit of the perfect pokering experience, never afraid to take the lead with new concepts and ideas, can we introduce a ban on the wearing of sunglasses and other non-prescription eye-wear including pirates style patches, monocles and cats-eye type contact lenses.
I find it a complete nonsense to sport these forms of eye-wear indoors, unless it"s David Hasslehoff who always looks awesome, but for everyone else, a nonsense especially at the poker tables. It"s my biggest poker bugbear next to the shrieking of STRING RAISE whenever someone fumbles chips across the line.
I can just about accept players wearing shades at high stakes events, but APAT isn"t high stakes so it just looks daft. It"s the poker equivalent of pub team footballers wearing silver boots and pulling their socks up above their knees cause Ronaldo does it.
I ask for this ban not because it gives a player an edge, but because it"s about helping to educate recreational players prone to doing silly things as a consequence of watching too much poker on telly. It"s like students who dress so indiscriminately the moment they move away from their parents house because it"s the first time they"ve been able to wear what they want without their mother"s disapproval. It takes time before they realise just why their mother"s were so strict...because they"d look ridiculous. But by the time these people realise and revert to more sensible daywear, it"s too late - they"ve spent three years going outside dressed like a lump of stinking crap and it"s how so many people will always remember them.
Let"s not let the same thing happen to our APAT brothers and sisters...mostly brothers. I"m loathe to ban anyone from doing anything, but I feel on this issue it is a necessary embargo.
[?] 8) [?] :)
+1 (Doh! Done it again.)
+ another 1. Also hoodies, caps, personal stereos and anything with a poker logo that the wearer has bought for himself! Can"t decide which looks the the most wannabe.
Phil Tompkinson?
(http://www.i2b-online.com/images/poker/all_wrong.jpg)
Hoodie... Check
Sunglasses.. check
Personal Stereo.. check
Anything with a poker logo that the wearer has bought for himself.. check
Must try harder to be the most annoying APAT player and wear a cap next time.. although green hair maybe slightly more annoying ;D
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Online team games
Lessening the advantage of the larger teams.
One thing that doesn"t seem to have been considered is dividing "the number of points won by a team" by "the number of members of that team who played that game" (or even a division of this latter number).
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I like this idea too. Especially since Solent would be even further behind Walsall by this method!
I can"t decide though whether this would act as a disincentive to sign up new "random" players once a team has reached an "average" size, because each new player would mean points gained being spread more thinly. Being too big could probably be a hindrance. And not signing up players is not what APAT is about (sorry for the double neg).
Interesting idea John.
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Ooooh ooooh one more thing I forgot to mention earlier, but may have discussed in the past; As APAT is a trailblazing organisation fearless in its pursuit of the perfect pokering experience, never afraid to take the lead with new concepts and ideas, can we introduce a ban on the wearing of sunglasses and other non-prescription eye-wear including pirates style patches, monocles and cats-eye type contact lenses.
I find it a complete nonsense to sport these forms of eye-wear indoors, unless it"s David Hasslehoff who always looks awesome, but for everyone else, a nonsense especially at the poker tables. It"s my biggest poker bugbear next to the shrieking of STRING RAISE whenever someone fumbles chips across the line.
I can just about accept players wearing shades at high stakes events, but APAT isn"t high stakes so it just looks daft. It"s the poker equivalent of pub team footballers wearing silver boots and pulling their socks up above their knees cause Ronaldo does it.
I ask for this ban not because it gives a player an edge, but because it"s about helping to educate recreational players prone to doing silly things as a consequence of watching too much poker on telly. It"s like students who dress so indiscriminately the moment they move away from their parents house because it"s the first time they"ve been able to wear what they want without their mother"s disapproval. It takes time before they realise just why their mother"s were so strict...because they"d look ridiculous. But by the time these people realise and revert to more sensible daywear, it"s too late - they"ve spent three years going outside dressed like a lump of stinking crap and it"s how so many people will always remember them.
Let"s not let the same thing happen to our APAT brothers and sisters...mostly brothers. I"m loathe to ban anyone from doing anything, but I feel on this issue it is a necessary embargo.
[?] 8) [?] :)
+1 (Doh! Done it again.)
+ another 1. Also hoodies, caps, personal stereos and anything with a poker logo that the wearer has bought for himself! Can"t decide which looks the the most wannabe.
Phil Tompkinson?
(http://www.i2b-online.com/images/poker/all_wrong.jpg)
Hoodie... Check
Sunglasses.. check
Personal Stereo.. check
Anything with a poker logo that the wearer has bought for himself.. check
Must try harder to be the most annoying APAT player and wear a cap next time.. although green hair maybe slightly more annoying ;D
I think this was just desperate measures as you were beginning to look like Blatch at the time.
I agree with shades though, it is really silly how big tours still allow them to be worn. Maybe APAT should steal a march, be the leader not the follower and be the first major tour to ban them. This will not only appeal to the majority but in my opinion it would be a massive "worldwide" marketing coup.
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Online League: This is something IMO that isn't working. The size of the teams has a direct correlation to who wins most points over a sustained period, fact. In playing for a small team that really did overachieve last season (in terms of its numbers) we are really struggling against the sheer weight of players in teams in our division. In the 7matchdays so far, we have had 5 FT's and one winner. Which for our team size is impressive, but yet we only have 1 team point.
I never liked the new scoring system, cos it does favour large numbered teams and one thing I've never got my head round Is the conversion to 3,2,1 points for the team. I like the idea of team points/divided by team players. That gives a fair average score based on the performance of the team members. It does offer the chance for a team with a small sample of players to score points if one of their members wins vs a larger team dominating the FT with more players.
How about only the top 3 players score points from each team? That way whatever the size of the team, only the highest places from each team get points. This rewards players who finish well but because it's a smaller number who collect points it eliminates the team size advantage and concentrates on the top scorers.
Pro League: Obviously APAT wanted this to work and it was an interesting idea, it just hasn't taken off to the level that expected/wanted I think. I don't know if this is down to publicity/betfair input/financial strain of current APATers, but it just hasn't worked. For me personally, I wont buy in to these events cos of my roll but if APAT keep it, it obv needs more work for it to be a success. Because in the eyes of the standard APATer (of which I agree myself) it's taking away the field/prize pool from the Main Event.
Abroad APATs: This really revolves around APATs general goal regarding the size and success of the organization. If bigger things are in their mindset then they must continue to promote and run the foreign based events. Someone mentioned correctly that these events have been put on top of the usual UK schedule and therefore are an added bonus and not taking away from the number of UK events we are used to.
I agree with many about the financial costs of these events being a reason why they haven't played in them. My finances won't allow me to play a lot, if any of the events abroad but the way I look at it, this is APAT branching out and creating a global base of poker. The WPT/EPT etc had to start somewhere; this is the start of APAT hopefully matching that for the amateur player.
In summary, I don't think we should be scraping events because players can't afford to play in them. If they are proving successful with the fields of players abroad and its not hurting APAT financially to run them, keep it going. I can't afford to play in the WSOP Main Event every year but I sure as hell don't wanna see it scraped.
Online Championships: For me personally, Sat night is fine but Sunday night is massive for online poker. You would definitely increase the chance of pulling more entrants if we moved to a Sunday, especially if players see the added value of the seats for the winner (speaking of newbies here)
S5 Venues: I like Stus point about us Stockton lot loving the chance to get away for a weekend and I do agree there but id also love the idea of a 40min drive to an APAT event as opposed to a 3hour drive/train journey. So I support the Newcastle leg for Season 5.
Taking in the opposition of abroad events so far from this thread with regards to cost and value for a 75pound tourney, is Vegas a realistic option?
Payout Structure: First and foremost, id like to make a day two one time so I can at least have some experience to add weight to my opinion on this matter but heyho, I can still add my thoughts till I do make it!
When this first came up on another thread, there were good and bad points and at the time I thought it boils down to this: What is APATs end game with regards to running these tournaments? Someone mentioned its APATs uniqueness in payout that makes it stand out and attract its players. You aren't always necessarily better for being unique. But if this is APATs aim, then keep the structure.
However, I always thought (and could well be wrong) that APAT is a perfect training ground for a large live MTT to hone your skills against good, large fields to hopefully make the step up to larger buyin events. Everyone enters tourneys like these to win the top prize and make money for their efforts. The payout structure should reflect this and reward the players who finish the highest. Getting the same in 4th as 9th is not only poor in the sense that it changes the dynamic of play at the FT but it doesn't set up players for the same scenario in a bigger event where they should be playing for the win and not jus settling for 9th cos they wont get paid the same as 4th in these bigger events.
Day two in the money is a must if possible. It's just too frustrating for players to come back the next day with a short stack and bust before the money after spending money on another night at a hotel. If this means looking at start times for day 1 so that those left at the end of it are in the money then I believe this would work better. Maybe add two start days and playing down to a number that is guaranteed a cash. This could also allow bigger fields aswell, meeting the demands of the current APATer fanbase.
For example: 2 start days, 120 runners each. Play down to 20 each day. All in the money. Alternates contribute to the payout structure and then the money gets decent around top 15, obviously escalating to the top places. Something along those lines, for an early idea of what I'm getting at.
Great topics and debate so far and look forward to bouncing ideas of people to create a fantastic season 5. Season has been great and as ever much love to Des, Tighty, Leigh and the rest of the crew that do a fantastic job in providing the APAT experience. Big up to Betfair aswell certainly surpassed itself with what it has provided this year!
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I think this was just desperate measures as you were beginning to look like Blatch at the time.
Im never wearing that white hoodie again :(
Taking in the opposition of abroad events so far from this thread with regards to cost and value for a 75pound tourney, is Vegas a realistic option?
Chris.. your saying that if you had the chance to go to Vegas and play in an APAT event this would be a bad thing? :-\
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Taking in the opposition of abroad events so far from this thread with regards to cost and value for a 75pound tourney, is Vegas a realistic option?
Well the Vegas event if there were to be one would be a proper holiday wouldn"t it, no one"s traveling to Vegas just for a £75 APAT game as they do for the Euro based events.
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Taking in the opposition of abroad events so far from this thread with regards to cost and value for a 75pound tourney, is Vegas a realistic option?
Well the Vegas event if there were to be one would be a proper holiday wouldn"t it, no one"s traveling to Vegas just for a £75 APAT game as they do for the Euro based events.
Exactly.. personally.. as I was going to Vegas next year anyway the chance to play in an APAT whilst over there would make the experience even more memorable... are shades banned over there yet? 8)
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S5 Venues:
Taking in the opposition of abroad events so far from this thread with regards to cost and value for a 75pound tourney, is Vegas a realistic option?
Who said it would be a £75 competition?....but I take your point.
I see no reason why the "added value" to some of the winners couldn"t be WSOP entries ($1500) or Venetian Deepstacks ($500) instead of the GUKPT seats we have now.
I"d love to sit down with Des, Richard and Leigh and find out what they have in mind...I know that Vegas has been in Des" mind since S1 and I"d love to see us out there mob-handed.
Frankly, even if it"s the usual "We"ll go anywhere" crew....I"d be up for it but let"s not forget that Ger Jr will be "of age" come November 2011....it could be mahoosive.
Oh...and I"m back.
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Hey guys, im well up for an APAT event in Vegas. I never said at all that its a bad thing, i said is it realistic based on people views regarding the abroad events as it currently stands in the majority.
id love a Vegas event and i cant imagine anyone on this whole forum that wouldnt be interested in it happening but the points you have made are that of a Vegas trip/holiday with an APAT event on top and not a APAT event in Vegas and there is a difference.
As for the buyin paulie, yeh who sed it would be 75. but if its more to make the trip worthwhile in a financial sense then we arent doing an "APAT" event. we creating a bigger buyin tourney that goes away from the APAT ethos, jus to make it worthwhile.
If thats the case, then jus go to Vegas and play a $500, $1000 (or whatever buyin) event on at the Mirage, Bellagio etc as a holiday.
Im sure if there was an APAT event announced say in May next year in Vegas, we"d be all over it no question. What im getting at, is too make it worthwhile, everyone would need to book a couple weeks, with extra consideration to their time spent there as opposed to going for a tourney buyin that would be about 1% of the cost to get there. Therefore its a Vegas trip with an APAT event as a bonus, NOT an APAT Vegas event.
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You have to consider the sponsors as well. Would Betfair like us going to USA when they cannot play on Betfair? I'm sure they would prefer us to play in a country where they are allowed to play online (If Betfair are to sponsor us next year)
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I think this was just desperate measures as you were beginning to look like Blatch at the time.
Totally Beat me to it. ;D
I agree with shades though, it is really silly how big tours still allow them to be worn. Maybe APAT should steal a march, be the leader not the follower and be the first major tour to ban them. This will not only appeal to the majority but in my opinion it would be a massive "worldwide" marketing coup.
Agreed!
i-Pods & hoodies should be allowed.
On the Vegas thing IMHO it was just a silly suggestion originally with tongues firmly in cheeks.
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Bump up the buy in to £100. (Jon, you are such a nit ;D)
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Have you noticed the drop off in demand this season?
If the buy in goes up to £100 I"d expect to see UK based national events not selling out
Or other people might be attracted to the bigger prize pool
My prediction - it won"t
Judgement call though
I read that as "judgmental" initially and was about to agree with you ;D only joking. I think the demand has been there, the events have all sold out haven"t they? They just haven"t sold out as quickly, but that might be because of various problems with buying in through Betfair. Previous seasons it was much easier to locate the buy-in page. The World event was £100 and had two day 1s no? So I think it"s worth extending the increase in buy-ins to all Nationals, it can always be re-assessed mid-season.
You"re a resourceful man Jon, you can recover this £25 by staying in hotels that charge by the hour instead of the whole night, they"re generally in the seedier parts of town, but one mans seedy is another mans frugality.
This
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Bump up the buy in to £100. (Jon, you are such a nit ;D)
No thanks :(
Why? Surely the extra buy in and associated pay out would be +ev for a champion like yourself! ;D
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Bump up the buy in to £100. (Jon, you are such a nit ;D)
No thanks :(
Why? Surely the extra buy in and associated pay out would be +ev for a champion luckbox like yourself! ;D
Not when my luck is out as it is atm.
Still winning tho.
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Hey guys, im well up for an APAT event in Vegas. I never said at all that its a bad thing, i said is it realistic based on people views regarding the abroad events as it currently stands in the majority.
id love a Vegas event and i cant imagine anyone on this whole forum that wouldnt be interested in it happening but the points you have made are that of a Vegas trip/holiday with an APAT event on top and not a APAT event in Vegas and there is a difference.
As for the buyin paulie, yeh who sed it would be 75. but if its more to make the trip worthwhile in a financial sense then we arent doing an "APAT" event. we creating a bigger buyin tourney that goes away from the APAT ethos, jus to make it worthwhile.
If thats the case, then jus go to Vegas and play a $500, $1000 (or whatever buyin) event on at the Mirage, Bellagio etc as a holiday.
Im sure if there was an APAT event announced say in May next year in Vegas, we"d be all over it no question. What im getting at, is too make it worthwhile, everyone would need to book a couple weeks, with extra consideration to their time spent there as opposed to going for a tourney buyin that would be about 1% of the cost to get there. Therefore its a Vegas trip with an APAT event as a bonus, NOT an APAT Vegas event.
It would still be an APAT event, the idea would be to attract "local" players to make up the majority of the field of runners same as with the Euro events and spread the word of APAT across Merca, just like Joseph Smith only without the bigamy. If some of the UK based players can make it over there too, all well and good.
The point about Betfair not being accessible to US punters probably makes this idea a non-starter though.
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please don"t increase the buy in! APATs aren"t about big buyins/prizepools. If anything I"d be in favour of dropping it to £50 to widen the potential pool of players, but £75 has worked in the past and can"t see the need to change it, particularly when times are tight for a lot of people.
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please don"t increase the buy in! APATs aren"t about big buyins/prizepools. If anything I"d be in favour of dropping it to £50 to widen the potential pool of players, but £75 has worked in the past and can"t see the need to change it, particularly when times are tight for a lot of people.
+1. Plenty of big buy ins for those that want them in other tours.
Keep the APAT 75!
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please don"t increase the buy in! APATs aren"t about big buyins/prizepools. If anything I"d be in favour of dropping it to £50 to widen the potential pool of players, but £75 has worked in the past and can"t see the need to change it, particularly when times are tight for a lot of people.
+1. Plenty of big buy ins for those that want them in other tours.
Keep the APAT 75!
But £100 ers in other tours are not APATs and I want to play the APATs and its more economic to do so with a £100 buy in. Let me illustrate:
Assuming 200 Players...
Current prize for 1st (23%) £3500
Buy in £75
Life Rake (beer, Hotel etc) £150
Total Cost £225
Therefore 1 bink gives you 15.5 National Tournaments
£100 buy in
1st Prize £4600
Buy in £100
Life Rake £150
Total Cost £250
Therefore 1 bink give you 18.4 National Tournaments
So.. Its more economical to have a higher buy in
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please don"t increase the buy in! APATs aren"t about big buyins/prizepools. If anything I"d be in favour of dropping it to £50 to widen the potential pool of players, but £75 has worked in the past and can"t see the need to change it, particularly when times are tight for a lot of people.
+1. Plenty of big buy ins for those that want them in other tours.
Keep the APAT 75!
But £100 ers in other tours are not APATs and I want to play the APATs and its more economic to do so with a £100 buy in. Let me illustrate:
Assuming 200 Players...
Current prize for 1st (23%) £3500
Buy in £75
Life Rake (beer, Hotel etc) £150
Total Cost £225
Therefore 1 bink gives you 15.5 National Tournaments
£100 buy in
1st Prize £4600
Buy in £100
Life Rake £150
Total Cost £250
Therefore 1 bink give you 18.4 National Tournaments
So.. Its more economical to have a higher buy in
don"t know about anyone else, but I don"t budget that much for APAT events - I can"t. At the moment I only play if I satellite in, meaning I just have to find a bit of money for accommodation and expenses, which are done as frugally as possible. Let"s assume for the sake of illustration that I"m buying the seat though.
buy in - £75
Hotel (shared if possible, or even better, free from Andrew) - approx £30
Travel - £20 (cheap advance booked train)
Other expenses (food, drink) - £30
total - £155.
The difference between finding £155 and £180 might just be the tipping point for some people and £130 would definitely be preferable from a personal point of view - it"s not about equity, it"s about affordability and keeping the APATs as open to as many amateurs as possible. plus I never bink APATs so all money has to be treated as spent rather than invested :D
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please don"t increase the buy in! APATs aren"t about big buyins/prizepools. If anything I"d be in favour of dropping it to £50 to widen the potential pool of players, but £75 has worked in the past and can"t see the need to change it, particularly when times are tight for a lot of people.
+1. Plenty of big buy ins for those that want them in other tours.
Keep the APAT 75!
But £100 ers in other tours are not APATs and I want to play the APATs and its more economic to do so with a £100 buy in. Let me illustrate:
Assuming 200 Players...
Current prize for 1st (23%) £3500
Buy in £75
Life Rake (beer, Hotel etc) £150
Total Cost £225
Therefore 1 bink gives you 15.5 National Tournaments
£100 buy in
1st Prize £4600
Buy in £100
Life Rake £150
Total Cost £250
Therefore 1 bink give you 18.4 National Tournaments
So.. Its more economical to have a higher buy in
don"t know about anyone else, but I don"t budget that much for APAT events - I can"t. At the moment I only play if I satellite in, meaning I just have to find a bit of money for accommodation and expenses, which are done as frugally as possible. Let"s assume for the sake of illustration that I"m buying the seat though.
buy in - £75
Hotel (shared if possible, or even better, free from Andrew) - approx £30
Travel - £20 (cheap advance booked train)
Other expenses (food, drink) - £30
total - £155.
The difference between finding £155 and £180 might just be the tipping point for some people and £130 would definitely be preferable from a personal point of view - it"s not about equity, it"s about affordability and keeping the APATs as open to as many amateurs as possible. plus I never bink APATs so all money has to be treated as spent rather than invested :D
My point is that because the expenses are constant for each event a higher buy in is better..
Also with the higher buy in the satellites would be more popular creating more seats for a specialist like yourself :)
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My point is that because the expenses are constant for each event a higher buy in is better..
Also with the higher buy in the satellites would be more popular creating more seats for a specialist like yourself :)
yeah I take the point. If I was any good at sats I"d agree with you too :) I"m not playing coventry next week because I didn"t win a seat and I couldn"t justify buying in for £75. If it"d have been a £50 buy in though I reckon I could"ve scraped it together and saved for the other expenses. £100 would just make it a complete non-runner.
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love Jons idea for the national league
wish I"d never mentioned the buy in increase. Can see that most people want to keep it at £75 so that"s ok by me
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My point is that because the expenses are constant for each event a higher buy in is better..
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So why not raise it to £1000?
Most people won"t bink a win, so the economics don"t matter. It"s also a much healthier economic outlook to budget the cost of the tournament as a write-off rather than ever take into account any possible win - even if you have better than average odds of cashing.
My main point was that it"s very basic economics that if you increase the price you"ll decrease the demand.
I don"t think that the extra demand created for those interested because of the higher prize pool will be anywhere close to the demand lost because of the extra cost.
So demand will go down overall - even if there"s enough excess demand to avoid this causing UK National events to not sell out it will damage APAT and cut out a significant portion of it"s core base of support (and potential future support).
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We have 4 comps in England, why not split them into different buy-ins? The worlds and the European can be £100 the other 2 can be £75
You could even go as far and have 4 different buy inns
English £50
UK £75
European £100
Worlds £125
But I would be in favour of keeping the £75
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Leave it at £75, with travel and accommodation plus drink, these are quite expensive, and having only cashed once in a live event, we play in hope rather than expectation of a win! As mentioned previously £100 will make a lot of people think again about playing. The APAT events on line and live are the biggest buy in events I play, and I do so because of the great structure and the banter.
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So why not raise it to £1000?
Because this is amateur poker and that would be silly.
My main point was that it"s very basic economics that if you increase the price you"ll decrease the demand.
I don"t think that the extra demand created for those interested because of the higher prize pool will be anywhere close to the demand lost because of the extra cost.
So demand will go down overall - even if there"s enough excess demand to avoid this causing UK National events to not sell out it will damage APAT and cut out a significant portion of it"s core base of support (and potential future support).
Not strictly true. Demand may go down with some current regular APATers, but there might be untapped hundreds who won"t travel for a £50-£75 game, but will for buy-ins of £100-£150. They"re still amateurs so if they happened to be the larger group it would be wrong not to seek them out no? It"s not such a huge hike that you"d suddenly have a completely new crowd.
The point is it"s by no means certain demand for seats would drop, it would just drop within a certain group of players, but a bigger buy-in may appeal to many more. You won"t know for sure unless you try it.
The end.
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please don"t increase the buy in! APATs aren"t about big buyins/prizepools. If anything I"d be in favour of dropping it to £50 to widen the potential pool of players, but £75 has worked in the past and can"t see the need to change it, particularly when times are tight for a lot of people.
+1. Plenty of big buy ins for those that want them in other tours.
Keep the APAT 75!
But £100 ers in other tours are not APATs and I want to play the APATs and its more economic to do so with a £100 buy in. Let me illustrate:
Assuming 200 Players...
Current prize for 1st (23%) £3500
Buy in £75
Life Rake (beer, Hotel etc) £150
Total Cost £225
Therefore 1 bink gives you 15.5 National Tournaments
£100 buy in
1st Prize £4600
Buy in £100
Life Rake £150
Total Cost £250
Therefore 1 bink give you 18.4 National Tournaments
So.. Its more economical to have a higher buy in
don"t know about anyone else, but I don"t budget that much for APAT events - I can"t. At the moment I only play if I satellite in, meaning I just have to find a bit of money for accommodation and expenses, which are done as frugally as possible. Let"s assume for the sake of illustration that I"m buying the seat though.
buy in - £75
Hotel (shared if possible, or even better, free from Andrew) - approx £30
Travel - £20 (cheap advance booked train)
Other expenses (food, drink) - £30
total - £155.
The difference between finding £155 and £180 might just be the tipping point for some people and £130 would definitely be preferable from a personal point of view - it"s not about equity, it"s about affordability and keeping the APATs as open to as many amateurs as possible. plus I never bink APATs so all money has to be treated as spent rather than invested :D
Claire, it"s like the January Sales... the more you spend, the more you save! I would have that as woman you would understand this concept... just basic economics really.
(http://blondepoker.com/forum/Smileys/default/party-smiley-004.gif)
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So why not raise it to £1000?
Because this is amateur poker and that would be silly.
My main point was that it"s very basic economics that if you increase the price you"ll decrease the demand.
I don"t think that the extra demand created for those interested because of the higher prize pool will be anywhere close to the demand lost because of the extra cost.
So demand will go down overall - even if there"s enough excess demand to avoid this causing UK National events to not sell out it will damage APAT and cut out a significant portion of it"s core base of support (and potential future support).
Not strictly true. Demand may go down with some current regular APATers, but there might be untapped hundreds who won"t travel for a £50-£75 game, but will for buy-ins of £100-£150. They"re still amateurs so if they happened to be the larger group it would be wrong not to seek them out no? It"s not such a huge hike that you"d suddenly have a completely new crowd.
The point is it"s by no means certain demand for seats would drop, it would just drop within a certain group of players, but a bigger buy-in may appeal to many more. You won"t know for sure unless you try it.
The end.
I"m pretty sure I covered your second point straight after the bit you highlighted
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... there might be untapped hundreds who won"t travel for a £50-£75 game, but will for buy-ins of £100-£150...
More specifically, there might be, but I don"t think there is. I think the untapped market for APAT follows roughly the same demographic as the existing market - some people will be happy with £100, but most would prefer £75
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... there might be untapped hundreds who won"t travel for a £50-£75 game, but will for buy-ins of £100-£150...
More specifically, there might be, but I don"t think there is. I think the untapped market for APAT follows roughly the same demographic as the existing market - some people will be happy with £100, but most would prefer £75
But we"re speculating aren"t we..it"s just opinions and we won"t know for sure unless it"s tried and to be fair, if the extra £25 would prevent someone playing they ought not to be playing the £75 game either surely? So this should be a debate about whether increasing the prize-pool would attract more people rather than the affordability of the event.
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... there might be untapped hundreds who won"t travel for a £50-£75 game, but will for buy-ins of £100-£150...
More specifically, there might be, but I don"t think there is. I think the untapped market for APAT follows roughly the same demographic as the existing market - some people will be happy with £100, but most would prefer £75
But we"re speculating aren"t we..it"s just opinions ...
yes
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I"m sure someone will correct me if I"m wrong but the UK APAT games always sell out don"t they? I was under the impression that the venues couldn"t cater for any more players at one time, so what is the point in wanting to attract more people, unless APAT are looking to dramatically increase numbers and create 2 x Day 1, which means time off work . For me the key word here is Amateur. I attended Luton and this was my first live APAT event, although I"m a pretty regular online supporter. It can"t have been too bad an experience because I"m off to Coventry next week.
I"m another in favour of keeping it at £75. There are loads of tournaments with a higher buy in if people want to play those. The APAT games give people like me on a low bankroll a chance to play live in a nice environment. If you start upping the buy in you price out lots of people like myself and start attracting the more serious players. That"s fine if that"s the eventual aim of APAT.
I think someone also mentioned the point that if you price out people like me (losing, rubbish poker players ;D) it will change the entire dynamics of the APAT games.
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I"m sure someone will correct me if I"m wrong but the UK APAT games always sell out don"t they? I was under the impression that the venues couldn"t cater for any more players at one time, so what is the point in wanting to attract more people, unless APAT are looking to dramatically increase numbers and create 2 x Day 1, which means time off work .
It"s obviously not about attracting more players to any single event, it"s about extending the community as a whole, which must surely be a good thing. You can"t very well turn people away cause we already have enough players.
All of your other points are covered elsewhere so we"re probably just repeating ourselves now. I still maintain that it"s not a big enough hike that it should be a bank-roll issue. The defense rests M"lud.
I think someone also mentioned the point that if you price out people like me (losing, rubbish poker players ;D) it will change the entire dynamics of the APAT games.
Not really, playing ability isn"t commensurate to wealth, not for amateurs anyway.
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It definately is a big enough hike, it must be, alot of people have said it is, if they are saying that then surely it shows a good case for keeping it the same no?
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The Nationals always sell out. They have always sold out. There is always an Alternate list. People keep coming back,
It ain"t broke - why do so many people want to fix it?
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It ain"t broke - why do so many people want to fix it?
+1 :)
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The Nationals always sell out. They have always sold out. There is always an Alternate list. People keep coming back,
It ain"t broke - why do so many people want to fix it?
good point, well made.
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It definately is a big enough hike, it must be, alot of people have said it is, if they are saying that then surely it shows a good case for keeping it the same no?
Some people have said it is. Some haven"t. But you can obviously not know which buy-in would be more successful without trying them both.
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The Nationals always sell out. They have always sold out. There is always an Alternate list. People keep coming back,
It ain"t broke - why do so many people want to fix it?
That"s a non sequitur. I don"t think it"s a matter of it being broken, it"s about improving it and striving for the best tour possible, that"s the purpose of this thread. Whether the hike is progress to that end or not remains to be seen. Something being OK as it is is not an argument for not trying to improve it.
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Some points relating to the online league / number of players in a team debate:
I acknowledge that the current system needs looking at but the proposal of dividing points by the number of players in a team is flawed in my opinion for the following reasons.
1. Surely part of the role of the captain and team members is to encourage more and more players to join the team, which in many cases acts as their intro to APAT and in some cases "real" poker, so it"s all good. Under this proposal inexperienced players could make numbers a disadvantage.
2. The league is FUN and should remain as such whilst also being competitive with good added value. If I bust out very early three weeks on the bounce I will have directly negated good performances - I will feel like a bad team member. People might start to criticise poorly performing players.
3. If you have 50 runners, then 24th could be viewed as a positive result as it"s better than the average. This could encourage insanely nitty play and games would be ending sometime on Tuesday.
I acknowledge that I am saying all of this from the point of view of playing for one of the most populated teams, but that links back to point one. At Luton we have been actively recruiting and some of the new players in turn bought their friends along - our fun and friendly live game recently has also done us no harm either - and IMO THAT"s what APAT is about
Finally, it"s not all about quantity! We"ve got some quality too you know 8)
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The Nationals always sell out. They have always sold out. There is always an Alternate list. People keep coming back,
It ain"t broke - why do so many people want to fix it?
That"s a non sequitur. I don"t think it"s a matter of it being broken, it"s about improving it and striving for the best tour possible, that"s the purpose of this thread. Whether the hike is progress to that end or not remains to be seen. Something being OK as it is is not an argument for not trying to improve it.
Sometimes the effect of trying to improve something that was pretty darned good to start with is errrmmm not good...
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The difference between £75 buy-in and £100 buy-in isn"t really a massive amount and to be honest wont make a massive difference to the prizes for making it in the money unless your fortunate enough to make the final three...
For me I"d rather see my £300 bank-roll see me seated at four tournies @ £75 rather than three tournies @ £100
I"ve been fortunate enough to win a medal and take home a nice stash of cash (blantent brag ;D ) but I turn up and play because I enjoy the game, the structure, the value and the company. Four games is better than three!!!
Therefore, my opinion is stick to £75 (the worlds @ £100 is ok. A World Championship should have a bit more!)
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APAT has always been over subscribed from day dot but it hasn"t stopped it making adjustments and tweaks to make the tour better.
This "if it ain"t broke don"t fix it" argument is pretty poor imo
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This "if it ain"t broke don"t fix it" argument is pretty poor imo
I was referring specifically to the debate further up this thread about whether the buy in should stay at £75, or move to a higher buy in to attract a different player market..... my point is that part of the tour"s popularity is the affordability. If it were failing to make the numbers, then targeting a different market by adjusting the buy in might be appropriate....... but as it stands, there simply is no need to change this aspect.
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Some points relating to the online league / number of players in a team debate:
I acknowledge that the current system needs looking at but the proposal of dividing points by the number of players in a team is flawed in my opinion for the following reasons.
1. Surely part of the role of the captain and team members is to encourage more and more players to join the team, which in many cases acts as their intro to APAT and in some cases "real" poker, so it"s all good. Under this proposal inexperienced players could make numbers a disadvantage.
2. The league is FUN and should remain as such whilst also being competitive with good added value. If I bust out very early three weeks on the bounce I will have directly negated good performances - I will feel like a bad team member. People might start to criticise poorly performing players.
3. If you have 50 runners, then 24th could be viewed as a positive result as it"s better than the average. This could encourage insanely nitty play and games would be ending sometime on Tuesday.
I acknowledge that I am saying all of this from the point of view of playing for one of the most populated teams, but that links back to point one. At Luton we have been actively recruiting and some of the new players in turn bought their friends along - our fun and friendly live game recently has also done us no harm either - and IMO THAT"s what APAT is about
Finally, it"s not all about quantity! We"ve got some quality too you know 8)
This seems to assume that you would be recruiting a disproprtionate amount of inexperienced players to that of other teams, but even then you"d be investing in the future for your team. Important Teams must not be allowed to refuse nor dissuade any players from joining or playing for their team.
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Claire, it"s like the January Sales... the more you spend, the more you save! I would have that as woman you would understand this concept... just basic economics really.
(http://blondepoker.com/forum/Smileys/default/party-smiley-004.gif)
i"m not a normal woman though am I? I"m a beer-drinking, fag-smoking, junk food-eating, foul-mouthed geezerbird. innit.
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Claire, it"s like the January Sales... the more you spend, the more you save! I would have that as woman you would understand this concept... just basic economics really.
(http://blondepoker.com/forum/Smileys/default/party-smiley-004.gif)
i"m not a normal woman though am I? I"m a beer-drinking, fag-smoking, junk food-eating, foul-mouthed geezerbird. innit.
LOLOLOLOLOL
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Claire, it"s like the January Sales... the more you spend, the more you save! I would have that as woman you would understand this concept... just basic economics really.
(http://blondepoker.com/forum/Smileys/default/party-smiley-004.gif)
i"m not a normal woman though am I? I"m a beer-drinking, fag-smoking, junk food-eating, foul-mouthed geezerbird. innit.
PMSL!!!
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The Nationals always sell out. They have always sold out. There is always an Alternate list. People keep coming back,
It ain"t broke - why do so many people want to fix it?
good point, well made.
When demand far exceeds supply you have a broken buisness model, no?
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JP, do you not agree that some areas have larger catchment areas than others?
Phil tell alot of people that he sees to come play for us, just because stockton has a relatively small catchment area doesnt make him any less of a captain, he is VERY active (urg i hate giving that man credit!!!)
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The Nationals always sell out. They have always sold out. There is always an Alternate list. People keep coming back,
It ain"t broke - why do so many people want to fix it?
You"re right, right from S1 Event1... However, that didn"t stop us introducing a 150/300 level... or introducing antes... or allowing late reg and alternates... or allowing a deal to be made in Austria last year... or using a more conventional payout structure in Tallinn... or aggregating alternates entries into a bigger prize.
There have been many changes over the last 4 years, it just might be that it is those changes that have ensured people keep coming back.
I"m afraid the "if it ain"t broke, why fix it?" attitude is the kind of thinking that has seen many businesses stagnate and ultimately fail.
Evolution, it"s the way of the world!
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JP, do you not agree that some areas have larger catchment areas than others?
Phil tell alot of people that he sees to come play for us, just because stockton has a relatively small catchment area doesnt make him any less of a captain, he is VERY active (urg i hate giving that man credit!!!)
Yes, of course but that"s not the only factor. From our perspective, you only have to sneeze in a Southernly direction and your competing with North London for players (although why anyone would want to join the 2 Donnies, I don"t know ;)). Having said that we are fortunate to have no other clubs to the east of us so we have a few Norfolk players.
The point is that recruiting is part and parcel of being a good team and the benefits of good recruitment should not be negated entirely. (As I said in my OP it isn"t perfect and needs looking at but every score counting is a step too far IMO)
On the Subject of your skipper, I"m giving him a B+ "Good Work with the resources available but could do better" ;D
What Blatch Phil needs to do is actively promote the benefits of Stockton such as those below
Birthplace of "Journey South"
Chris Rea
Parmo
The Tees Transporter Bridge and its role in bringing back "Auf Wiedersehn Pet"
Geoff Winter
Ridley Scott"s Inspiration for the city of the future in "Blade Runner"
Simples! ;D
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The Nationals always sell out. They have always sold out. There is always an Alternate list. People keep coming back,
It ain"t broke - why do so many people want to fix it?
good point, well made.
When demand far exceeds supply you have a broken buisness model, no?
No.
Huge popularity doesn"t mean the business model is broke - just that the product is popular. The 200 cap is a maximum - there is no room or potential to extend.
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Purely hypothetically, how many of you who play the National Championships regularly would take a Friday off work to play a Day1a, with a Day1b on a Saturday?
I bet not too many. Bear in mind we"d need enough runners on a Friday to make it worthwhile, events would cost more to put on, staff expenses would be higher, day 1a players getting to day 2 would have a spare day in between.....
If you think we"d not get runners on a day1a then we"re restricted, DTD apart, by casino capacity for UK national venues.
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What Blatch Phil needs to do is actively promote the benefits of Stockton such as those below
The European champion plays for them
Simples! ;D
I agree completely.
Lol at Blatch btw, top work.
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Purely hypothetically, how many of you who play the National Championships regularly would take a Friday off work to play a Day1a, with a Day1b on a Saturday?
I bet not too many. Bear in mind we"d need enough runners on a Friday to make it worthwhile, events would cost more to put on, staff expenses would be higher, day 1a players getting to day 2 would have a spare day in between.....
If you think we"d not get runners on a day1a then we"re restricted, DTD apart, by casino capacity for UK national venues.
Judging by the [slower] speed at which seats have sold this season, I really don"t think the demand is there for 300+ seats. Like you, I very much doubt you would get enough people to play on a Friday "regularly".
I think that moving the Pro League to Sunday and freeing up those 50 seats would provide sufficient capacity, assuming venues that can handle 200 players.
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I think the slower take up this season is due to
a) You needed to buy in via Betfair. This was less popular than a clickfest, or perhaps better said less simple (when the clickfest worked properly)
b) Economy related
As to the Pro League, options would be
a) Scrap it
b) Put it on the Friday night, and hope to attract local venue players too
c) Put it on the Sunday
d) Leave it as is
Options a)-c) free up 2-3 tables (currently) for Amateur seats, but just as big as issue is the buy in mechanism and player bankrolls (buy in, willingness to travel, incur expenses etc)
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I think the slower take up this season is due to
a) You needed to buy in via Betfair. This was less popular than a clickfest, or perhaps better said less simple (when the clickfest worked properly)
b) Economy related
Agreed... assuming Betfair remain as sponsor and buy-in remains via their poker client then neither a) or b) are likely to change significantly for S5.
As to the Pro League, options would be
a) Scrap it
b) Put it on the Friday night, and hope to attract local venue players too
c) Put it on the Sunday
d) Leave it as is
Options a)-c) free up 2-3 tables (currently) for Amateur seats, but just as big as issue is the buy in mechanism and player bankrolls (buy in, willingness to travel, incur expenses etc)
IMHO, the only option that should be ruled out here is d).
If it is to continue then I think c) is favourite, with, as has already been suggested, some form of satellites available on Saturday for any bustees who fancy their chances.
a) or b) are Ok also.
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C >> A > B >>>>>>>> D
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I think the slower take up this season is due to
a) You needed to buy in via Betfair. This was less popular than a clickfest, or perhaps better said less simple (when the clickfest worked properly)
b) Economy related
As to the Pro League, options would be
a) Scrap it
b) Put it on the Friday night, and hope to attract local venue players too
c) Put it on the Sunday
d) Leave it as is
Options a)-c) free up 2-3 tables (currently) for Amateur seats, but just as big as issue is the buy in mechanism and player bankrolls (buy in, willingness to travel, incur expenses etc)
Friday night would be good ...
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+1 for Pro event on the Sunday, with a STT satellite or two late-ish (10pm?) on the Saturday, when there"s enough players and dealers freed up from day 1.
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The live events are stuctured just fine (except I appear to bubble too often).
My main comment regards the online team league. I speak as a very lapsed Capain of the Plymouth team who faired well in the first season (mantra, Quality not quantity) but always struggled to get enough players to ensure a prize/promotion - so much for the mantra. Soft play obviously came into the strategy (whatever the definition of soft play is). Due to this and the fact that Plymouth always struggled to garner enough support to match other more populated teams I rapdily became disillusioned about the format of the online league. That said, I would support a league of individuals. This would erradicate geographical factors and would reward the best players over a statistically significant period. I know this goes against the ethos of promoting luvvie duvvie comaradarie, but whoever said poker was anything other than a game of individuals prevailing over the rest of the losers. Hope this isnt too radical but I really do feel the online league, whilst in principle a good thing, does need a significant overhaul if it is to encourage new players from the outer reaches of the poker universe.
For interest, during 2010 I ran a league over 10 games (one per month) (average 7 - 8 runners) where the best 5 scores counted to the final placings. We deliberated long over how many games should count towards the final results. Too few and one risks the position of not encouraging support. Too many and one risks alienating new joiners earlier in the season than would otherwise be the case. In the end we paid the top three which bought them into a "local" (200 miles round trip) deep stack game. To maintain interest after the completion of the league (and to encourage support) , anyone who had played at least 5 games got a piece of the prize winners winnings in the deep stack tourney. Maybe if APAT did something similar we would get someone into a winning position in a major live tournament whilst not relying on geographical location and at the same time allow others to benefit from their success, thus promoting the "team/community" ethos and loyalty to the brand. Just some thoughts, interested to hear how others feel.
All the best,
Apologies for spelling and grammer mistakes but I am the other side of some whisky macs and my team went down to the Brummies today.
In spite of what I have said above, live games are the bedrock of APAT and we should never forget that. Tweaks to online formats are secondary to that.
Dave
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Online league: could have A, B, C, etc teams of fixed size; players picked based on appearances or something.
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Online league: could have A, B, C, etc teams of fixed size; players picked based on appearances or something.
Can I be in the ugly feckers" team?
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Online league: could have A, B, C, etc teams of fixed size; players picked based on appearances or something.
Can I be in the ugly feckers" team?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Online league: could have A, B, C, etc teams of fixed size; players picked based on appearances or something.
Can I be in the ugly feckers" team?
Jack, I thought you already were ;D
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Live
No need to change.
£75 perfect
Structure perfect
Standard payout
Deals, not bothered either way
Pro league does not affect me as it's too much for me but a change to Sunday/Friday would be good for several reasons. Friday would give people the chance to play the pro then the ME. People may travel knowing that they have two comps to play. Sunday would give the opportunity for those that have bustard out of the ME to play via direct buy-in or via a satellite. But would this affect the side games? It would free up places fpr the ME. But for me I would scrap it and put more added value to the ME by giving 2nd and 3rd place seats to GUKPT side events or to DTD deep stack.
Venues
They is a big battle going on in Leeds with two casinos battling it out to be top dog, am sure either one of them would love to host a APAT game, but the best card room is Alea. Sheffield as also several places that could hold a 150+ event. Newcastle would also be a place worth revisiting.
$50
Again for me this is fine as it is but if you want a change, play it on a Sunday. If people are worried about the finishing time then start at 7 or change the structure.
League
This is were I think the biggest change as to be
I believe when the league was set up, it was to progress into a live league. (As stated earlier) but we no this will not happen. So do we keep with it or dump it for an individual league.
a) Stay as we are
b) Same as now with a bit off tweaking
c) Have a individual league
d) Have a new league were you pick/join your own team with a set number of players
e) Scrap it all together and have a $10 comp
f) Any other suggestion
I would be in favour of d, a new league of made up teams of 5.
We get about 150 runners over the 3 leagues. Based on that amount you would have 30 teams playing in one league. Every team will get points towards the grand final which all teams would play in.
The winner of the league would receive the biggest amount of chips in the final say 10,000 (per player) the 2nd 8,500 the 3rd 7,000 4th to 9th 5,500 10th to 19th 4000 the rest 3,000
Scoring points
Top 3 in each team would score points in the same way as now but over a bigger finishing position say top 40 (40 for 1st down to 1 for 40th) if a team does not score any points then they would get 1 league point and then work your way up. EG if 7 teams do not score then they all get 1 point the next team would get 8 points then 9 and so on.
I know they is allot of flaws with this mainly can Betfair set up a game with different starting chips. But it would mean that all teams, all players would have something to aim for, the final.
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Was reading the equivalent thread for season 4 discussion earlier and Des mentions something about taking APAT "out of casinos." Is this still a possibility?
Hosting APAT events in hotels EPT style could potentially be a great idea. S****y hotels big enough to host all 200 runners with a discounted room rate so John MW doesn"t have to walk four miles from the nearest Travel Inn would be a great idea I think. There would of course be potential for disaster with a 24 hour bar, but one man"s carnage is another man"s high jinks.
Haha...it"s censored s w a n k y
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Was reading the equivalent thread for season 4 discussion earlier and Des mentions something about taking APAT "out of casinos." Is this still a possibility?
Hosting APAT events in hotels EPT style could potentially be a great idea. S****y hotels big enough to host all 200 runners with a discounted room rate so John MW doesn"t have to walk four miles from the nearest Travel Inn would be a great idea I think. There would of course be potential for disaster with a 24 hour bar, but one man"s carnage is another man"s high jinks.
Haha...it"s censored s w a n k y
But Jon MW LOVES walking 500 miles from the nearest Travel Inn!
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Was reading the equivalent thread for season 4 discussion earlier and Des mentions something about taking APAT "out of casinos." Is this still a possibility?
Hosting APAT events in hotels EPT style could potentially be a great idea. S****y hotels big enough to host all 200 runners with a discounted room rate so John MW doesn"t have to walk four miles from the nearest Travel Inn would be a great idea I think. There would of course be potential for disaster with a 24 hour bar, but one man"s carnage is another man"s high jinks.
Haha...it"s censored s w a n k y
Des covered this at DTD.
Yes, he"d love to do APAT as though it were the EPT but when you factor in the additional cost of hiring dealers, tables, venues plus having your own chips etc the overall cost becomes prohibitive.
Could it be done?...perhaps but all the "added value" would disappear into costs rather than being put into prizepools etc.
I hope I haven"t misquoted Des but at the moment the cost/benefit ratio just isn"t there.
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Making the online league a league of small teams (say 30 teams x 5 players) is a terrible idea in my view. It"s very difficult to commit to playing 10 match days out of 10 so I would probably end up playing none rather than let my small group of team-mates down as and when I can"t turn up. That just can"t be what the aim of APAT is it?
Making the online league an individual event perhaps with a team affiliation with the biggest rewards for the individuals and a smaller team reward maybe a better idea. Or perhaps have less teams so you have regions rather than clubs which might even up the player spread a bit.
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Late in on this and everything has been said already but I like to throw in my tuppence worth every now and then ;D
Live Events: Would like to see the number of European trips reduced to one and add a couple of other UK based ones somewhere new so more people can play in the APAT events close to home. Pro series should be scrapped altogether but if it has to stay then move it to Sunday. Moving it to Sunday and having STT or MTT satellites for those knocked out already on Saturday evening sounds like an ok idea. PLO Sunday tourney too at every event would be a bonus too.
New Venues: I would love to see a tournament in Liverpool or Newcastle in S5 as both cities are great places to spend a weekend in compared to other places the APAT tour has visited and I won"t be lost for something to do when I inevitable crash out early again!
Oh and can we have the Scottish APAT held in the largest (and best) city in the country for once? Surely it"s our turn by now :D I thought the Alea was a great venue for the Sky Poker Tour which was attended by a lot of fellow APATers who agreed but TightEnd said it performed poorly? It"s always been great in my experience with large tournaments there. Make it happen somehow, one time!
Online League: I"ve not been around in a while but the whole regional thing doesn"t work IMO due to inequalities in team sizes etc. What I think would be better would be an individual online league or a team league made up of teams of 5 or 10 players chosen amongst ourselves. I think people would play more if they were letting down their team of mates rather than just their city team and a bunch of people they may not know.
Payout Structure: I don"t think deals should be allowed, I"m all for playing for the win but I do believe there needs to be a standard final table payout structure. Bullying short stacks trying to ladder to the next pay slot is a big part of the game IMO 8)
Online Satellites: Keep as seat only, it"s about creating the most amount of seats possible and avoiding clickfest.
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Season 5 Schedule and Details will be announced soon*
In the meantime, feel free to discuss areas you would like to see improved, changed, or introduced.
Since this thread has died a bit in recent days I thought I would stir the pot a little.
This year (S4) APAT have had problems on at least 2 occasions, that I can recall, with venues pulling the plug on us sometimes after bookings have been made and it"s only thanks to the APAT Team scrambling and twisting arms that we"ve managed to scrape through.
So, what am I saying? I know it"s tough but when the Season 5 schedule is announced, I"d like to be sure that the venues have been locked down.
I have only the vaguest idea of how hard Des/Richard"s jobs are in dealing with these places but surely (don"t call me Shirley) getting them to commit several months in advance can"t be that hard...can it?
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Thread was better in "died down" state :D
We"re a looong way from talking to venues, but the objective will be to have them all tied down pre announcement.
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pre announcement will be soon ::)
As I write there are still events to be played in November and two in January! Announcement will follow last event, then we"ll play the "soon" game.
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online i would scrap giving medals & boxes out as this seems to make some that win them very unhappy that they have to waite for them and under the apat spirit that would be the last thing what apat would want to do is make there some members unhappy
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Purely hypothetically, how many of you who play the National Championships regularly would take a Friday off work to play a Day1a, with a Day1b on a Saturday?
I bet not too many. Bear in mind we"d need enough runners on a Friday to make it worthwhile, events would cost more to put on, staff expenses would be higher, day 1a players getting to day 2 would have a spare day in between.....
If you think we"d not get runners on a day1a then we"re restricted, DTD apart, by casino capacity for UK national venues.
I could play Fridays.
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Purely hypothetically, how many of you who play the National Championships regularly would take a Friday off work to play a Day1a, with a Day1b on a Saturday?
I bet not too many. Bear in mind we"d need enough runners on a Friday to make it worthwhile, events would cost more to put on, staff expenses would be higher, day 1a players getting to day 2 would have a spare day in between.....
If you think we"d not get runners on a day1a then we"re restricted, DTD apart, by casino capacity for UK national venues.
I could play Fridays.
Usually book the Friday off anyway to "prepare" ;D
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Usually book the Friday off anyway to "prepare" ;D
Ditto...but it"s a "travelling/drinking" day (not in that order)...I wouldn"t want to play an APAT event on a Friday.
Then again, if I donk out Friday, I have the whole weekend to get spannered.
Hmmm....decisions, decisions.
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Usually book the Friday off anyway to "prepare" ;D
Ditto...but it"s a "travelling/drinking" day (not in that order)...I wouldn"t want to play an APAT event on a Friday.
Then again, if I donk out Friday, I have the whole weekend to get spannered.
Hmmm....decisions, decisions.
Distance and public transport mean I usually have to book Friday off work for travel to play on Saturday, for a day 1a on Friday I"d have to book Thursday as well. A lot of people travelling by train over any distance would be in the same boat - i.e. a couple of days (Friday and Monday) is ok for playing APAT, but 3 days is going to be pushing it for most in that situation.
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Usually book the Friday off anyway to "prepare" ;D
Ditto...but it"s a "travelling/drinking" day (not in that order)...I wouldn"t want to play an APAT event on a Friday.
Then again, if I donk out Friday, I have the whole weekend to get spannered.
Hmmm....decisions, decisions.
Distance and public transport mean I usually have to book Friday off work for travel to play on Saturday, for a day 1a on Friday I"d have to book Thursday as well. A lot of people travelling by train over any distance would be in the same boat - i.e. a couple of days (Friday and Monday) is ok for playing APAT, but 3 days is going to be pushing it for most in that situation.
Also a problem for some tournaments. Dublin, Scotland and all the Euro events add up to quite a few extra days off work. I like having Friday as Paulie puts it as a day for travelling/drinking. It"s part of the weekend at some events. It would be great to extend the weekends a day of course but real life commitments might make it difficult in some cases.
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Purely hypothetically, how many of you who play the National Championships regularly would take a Friday off work to play a Day1a, with a Day1b on a Saturday?
I bet not too many. Bear in mind we"d need enough runners on a Friday to make it worthwhile, events would cost more to put on, staff expenses would be higher, day 1a players getting to day 2 would have a spare day in between.....
If you think we"d not get runners on a day1a then we"re restricted, DTD apart, by casino capacity for UK national venues.
i would not want to be paying for 2 or 3 nights hotel for a £75 comp and with the extra day off work and hotel and the £75 comp you are then getting up to £330 and thats the cost off the DTD Deepstack with 100k pot
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Usually book the Friday off anyway to "prepare" ;D
Ditto...but it"s a "travelling/drinking" day (not in that order)...I wouldn"t want to play an APAT event on a Friday.
Then again, if I donk out Friday, I have the whole weekend to get spannered.
Hmmm....decisions, decisions.
Distance and public transport mean I usually have to book Friday off work for travel to play on Saturday, for a day 1a on Friday I"d have to book Thursday as well. A lot of people travelling by train over any distance would be in the same boat - i.e. a couple of days (Friday and Monday) is ok for playing APAT, but 3 days is going to be pushing it for most in that situation.
Also a problem for some tournaments. Dublin, Scotland and all the Euro events add up to quite a few extra days off work. I like having Friday as Paulie puts it as a day for travelling/drinking. It"s part of the weekend at some events. It would be great to extend the weekends a day of course but real life commitments might make it difficult in some cases.
+1, except for the drinking bit...
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I"ve finally been able to find the time to get some thoughts down. They"re not particularly well thought out so please excuse me if the odd stupid idea has slipped through :)
I"ve also split my post into sections in an effort to avoid the dreaded tl; dr.
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Online team league:
First of all let me say I really enjoy this! I can see why people think it needs altering and possibly it could be improved. However I do think that there is no reason why every team can"t get much bigger numbers. All it needs is someone who"s enthusiastic (a kind way of saying "sad" obv :) ) & computer literate enough to do the recruiting. In these days of social networking, it really ain"t that difficult, however "small" your catchment area is.
Surely every team could find one person to act as a recruitment officer? I"m sure the successful recruiters would be willing to pass on the "tips & tricks" to teams not in there division.
All it needs is one person who is willing to put in a couple of hours a week to get the numbers up. After all it repays Betfair"s generosity in their added value the more people we can get playing on there.
Perhaps we could even have volunteers from outside the area to act as recruiters for currently playerless teams to get them off the ground? I"d be willing to take on another team until someone from the area could take over. I"m sure others would too.
If changes are deemed necessary then I"d go for teams within teams so to speak, i.e. A, B, C teams etc decided by current team rankings. Then have an "area" championship, a team championship and an individual championship all within the one Sunday tourney.
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Online championships:
These are great, no problem at all. I"d like to see them complemented by an individual league with a game every week at around the $10 buy-in level. Like the Premier League to the $50 game"s FA Cup. We could have promotion & relegation too, that"d really add to the interest.
Something else on my wish list (it"s quite a long document :) ) would be to see "leaderboard" style rankings. i.e. people can grind away on Betfair in either cash, STTs or MTTs and get ranked by ROI. It"d need splitting up into different buy-in categories to stop bigger buy-in binks having a disproportionate effect on your ranking. Would Betfair"s systems be able to do this?
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Overseas events:
I love these and would attend them all if I had more money/holidays. However they do price out a significant number of people.
I think I understand APAT's intentions in creating these foreign events but I think it needs to be done in tandem with the (seemingly forgotten, definitely deferred) Association aspect of APAT. Perhaps we should be creating/nurturing/fostering links with existing Amateur poker tours in foreign locales, i.e. we return to British Isles-only (carefully worded to include Ireland!) and similar standalone overseas tours are created.
I"m all for social weekends away but I think they do diminish the rankings a little as not everyone can go or even wants to go.
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Venues:
Of the current season, Coventry was my favourite. DTD is the best place to play poker but as it"s only up the road from me I feel compelled to travel and lose some of the "social" aspect! I enjoyed The International at Aberdeen, shame it"s closed.
A return to Aspers Newcastle would be good. I also like seeing new places too. Not that I ever see much apart from the casino!
It"d be good to move outside the confines of casinos too but I can"t see it happening anytime soon.
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Live updates:
I think the live feed is a fantastic addition. I know it"s difficult but it"d be great to have it recorded (locally?) for later editing into a podcast or similar for a permanent record.
Greater integration with the update thread would be brilliant. Again I know it"s difficult and all costs money but could the updater be listening to the live feed to post the salient points onto the thread so that currently non-sensical comments can be seen in context?
Also be good to see the exits recorded somehow and used to compile more detailed rankings. I think I"ve seen a system where people can tweet and have it appear automatically on a forum. You could assign regulars (players) as twitter reporters.
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Payout structure:
I"d like to see a traditional structure. Speaking as a nit, there"s no finer feeling than getting a few more £££ for folding :). I"d also like to see everyone who"s back for day 2 already in the money & £75 alternate entries to be added to the main prize pool rather than giving them out as £75 "savers" to additional "winners".
Added value:
Betfair sponsorship has been very generous - thanks a lot and more of the same next season please!
Pro league:
The uptake has been disappointing. I think either one more go with a major overhaul or scrap it.
APAT Vegas:
Make it non-ranking, make it Nov "11 and let"s get 50 odd (very odd) out there for a week!
Sunglasses:
POTY by WarBwastardo!
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Association:
I would love to see this get off the ground. Des is probably too busy now but surely APAT as a group is mature enough that we can get an elected executive committee. We"d need Des/tikay/tighty/Leigh as figureheads to try to enact decisions etc and they would probably need to have the power of veto. I think it"d be a shame if we were just to be a tour when we could be so much more.
Also I"d like to see the re-introduction of a nominal annual subscription to give members a degree of ownership. You could play without membership or perhaps just £5, but to have a vote, you"d need to pay a (larger) subscription. An annual £10 to £50 perhaps? The cash could help pay for a full-time employee possibly?
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blatant post count abuse there Jack
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Association:
I would love to see this get off the ground. Des is probably too busy now but surely APAT as a group is mature enough that we can get an elected executive committee. We"d need Des/tikay/tighty/Leigh as figureheads to try to enact decisions etc and they would probably need to have the power of veto. I think it"d be a shame if we were just to be a tour when we could be so much more.
Also I"d like to see the re-introduction of a nominal annual subscription to give members a degree of ownership. You could play without membership or perhaps just £5, but to have a vote, you"d need to pay a (larger) subscription. An annual £10 to £50 perhaps? The cash could help pay for a full-time employee possibly?
+1
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Something else on my wish list (it"s quite a long document :) ) would be to see "leaderboard" style rankings. i.e. people can grind away on Betfair in either cash, STTs or MTTs and get ranked by ROI. It"d need splitting up into different buy-in categories to stop bigger buy-in binks having a disproportionate effect on your ranking. Would Betfair"s systems be able to do this?
love this idea.
A tighty style blonde league that rewards players for actually using the sponsors site is a great idea.
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blatant post count abuse there Jack
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
+1 ;D
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blatant post count abuse there Jack
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
+1 ;D
Jack, your views on North and South Korean relations and the role of China in Pan Asian geopolitical strategy when you"ve finished your APAT views please
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The devil finds work for idle hands boss :(
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blatant post count abuse there Jack
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
+1 ;D
Jack, your views on North and South Korean relations and the role of China in Pan Asian geopolitical strategy when you"ve finished your APAT views please
ta
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Hey I am kind of new to this forum,
I know that the current season has not finished yet and it has two more events.
But....I was wondering if anyone can give me a rough estimate of when Season 5 will be announced?
Thanks
|>£\/\/|>\/\/@G[][]|\|
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Hey I am kind of new to this forum,
I know that the current season has not finished yet and it has two more events.
But....I was wondering if anyone can give me a rough estimate of when Season 5 will be announced?
Thanks
|>£\/\/|>\/\/@G[][]|\|
March 2011 is my guesstimate
All you will get from Admin is the now classic
"soon"
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Hey I am kind of new to this forum,
I know that the current season has not finished yet and it has two more events.
But....I was wondering if anyone can give me a rough estimate of when Season 5 will be announced?
Thanks
|>£\/\/|>\/\/@G[][]|\|
March 2011 is my guesstimate
All you will get from Admin is the now classic
"soon"
My guesstimate is mid-February based on previous years.
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I"d say it"s quite likely to be 11:32 on the 17th February
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I"d say it"s quite likely to be 11:32 on the 17th February
Damnit, the memo has been leaked. ;D
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I"d say it"s quite likely to be 11:32 on the 17th February
Damnit, the memo has been leaked. ;D
It"s all on wiki-leaks.
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Don"t know if it"s been said yet as I haven"t read the whole thing, but Les Croupiers in Cardiff would be my choice for the Welsh leg next time. The dealers are experienced as all their tournaments are dealer-dealt and more importantly it has a 200 player capacity.
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The dealers are experienced as all their tournaments are self-dealt.
I"m assuming you mean dealer-dealt otherwise that don"t make sense.
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Don"t know if it"s been said yet as I haven"t read the whole thing, but Les Croupiers in Cardiff would be my choice for the Welsh leg next time. The dealers are experienced as all their tournaments are dealer-dealt and more importantly it has a 200 player capacity.
I think we should have two welsh events, seeing as all the best players are from Wales and all :-)
have one in Swansea and one somewhere else (maybe two in Swansea) :-)
I think Les Croupiers is a pretty safe bet really tbh. it is the best card room in Wales. You still go there Gareth?
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I would be very surprised if its not held at Les Croupiers. The card room has plenty of space (can easily hold 200 players), and as Gareth has said, it is dealer dealt. They have held One Way Poker Tournaments there, the last one in December had 190 runners and was a big success. The have a chinese restaurant right next to the cardroom as well, so the catering should be fine. My only concern is that the bar might not be big enough to hold the APAT crowd, and they might have to get some more barstaff.
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Don"t know if it"s been said yet as I haven"t read the whole thing, but Les Croupiers in Cardiff would be my choice for the Welsh leg next time. The dealers are experienced as all their tournaments are dealer-dealt and more importantly it has a 200 player capacity.
I think we should have two welsh events, seeing as all the best players are from Wales and all :-)
have one in Swansea and one somewhere else (maybe two in Swansea) :-)
I think Les Croupiers is a pretty safe bet really tbh. it is the best card room in Wales. You still go there Gareth?
Yep still playing there, mostly cash (which is as soft as ever) and the occasional tournament.
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Season 5 Schedule and Details will be announced soon
I am beginning to get an aversion to the word soon ;D
Hey Duke, Does this mean you do not have an aversion yet, but sooooon?
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Season 5 Schedule and Details will be announced soon
I am beginning to get an aversion to the word soon ;D
Hey Duke, Does this mean you do not have an aversion yet, but sooooon?
I have an aversion to being on your table ;D see you at the tables soon Paul
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Would be nice and also a fair solution that all members of the APAT community have a real chance to play for their country at the APAT European / World Championships. Specially out of UK / Ireland there isn"t a fair solution.
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Would be nice and also a fair solution that all members of the APAT community have a real chance to play for their country at the APAT European / World Championships. Specially out of UK / Ireland there isn"t a fair solution.
I have no idea what this means but I"m for it...I think!
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Would be nice and also a fair solution that all members of the APAT community have a real chance to play for their country at the APAT European / World Championships. Specially out of UK / Ireland there isn"t a fair solution.
I have no idea what this means but I"m for it...I think!
Is the current system not;
1) apply to team captain
2) team captain makes decision
3) team captain announces team?
Can"t see much fairer.
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Would be nice and also a fair solution that all members of the APAT community have a real chance to play for their country at the APAT European / World Championships. Specially out of UK / Ireland there isn"t a fair solution.
I was only thinking about this yesterday.
It"s a difficult one actually because in a way we have two sets of teams. The UK based teams where the majority of APATers are from and then the mainland European teams, whcih heavily rely on APAT having a contact in each country.
Each set of teams have a very different method in which to select their teams. I feel that the UK team captains have a certain responsibility to look at players in current APAT form etc, whereas due to the lack of APAT events that mainland European players play, it is more likely that the captains will select a group of friends/mates that will travel over together.
It"s a tough one to get the balance right, and the last thing we would ever want to happen is always have the same faces representing each country every year. That would detract from what the event is about.
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@Paulie
Who picked the teamplayers for the individual country (not UK/Ireland)? Specially in germany we have - my personal opinion - no fair solution for that. Since I"m playing as a regular player for Luton Poker Club I"d never saw any german - maybe I"m blind - neither as a player at the matchdays nor as an active community member with postings etc. For me it would be a honor and pleasure to be a member of my countries team. The last "international Championships" were great events I guess but I"m hopefull that there are more regulars playing in the future than "APAT-Visitors". Think it would be great for our sponsors to have more and more regulars in APAT community and develop the APAT spirit also in other countries.
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@ Marty719
Agree! (UK/Ireland)
@ Chipaccrual
Thanks for your annotation!
@all
Please don"t missapprehend me. Don"t want to arouse a discussion about a system what"s approved in UK/Ireland.
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@ Marty719
Agree! (UK/Ireland)
@ Chipaccrual
Thanks for your annotation!
@all
Please don"t missapprehend me. Don"t want to arouse a discussion about a system what"s approved in UK/Ireland.
Discussion is good Achim, especially on this subject.
I"m not suggesting that the method currently used for any of the teams is the fairest or best way forward, and as always, we are open to members suggestions.
The event itself is simply brilliant (If I do say so myself), but I think we can improve it. Always thinking of better. :D
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I vote Achim G for German team captain for 2011
Top bloke
Cheers
Ian
NB
This man travels a long way for our tournies and doesn"t have much luck with planes ;D
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I vote Achim G for German team captain for 2011
This man travels a long way for our tournies and doesn"t have much luck with planes ;D
I should be a shoe-in for the UK Team then...I travel a long way and don"t have much luck with trains and ferries.
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We should build a new team, The Trouble Trip Company ;D
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Would be nice and also a fair solution that all members of the APAT community have a real chance to play for their country at the APAT European / World Championships. Specially out of UK / Ireland there isn"t a fair solution.
I was only thinking about this yesterday.
It"s a difficult one actually because in a way we have two sets of teams. The UK based teams where the majority of APATers are from and then the mainland European teams, whcih heavily rely on APAT having a contact in each country.
Each set of teams have a very different method in which to select their teams. I feel that the UK team captains have a certain responsibility to look at players in current APAT form etc, whereas due to the lack of APAT events that mainland European players play, it is more likely that the captains will select a group of friends/mates that will travel over together.
It"s a tough one to get the balance right, and the last thing we would ever want to happen is always have the same faces representing each country every year. That would detract from what the event is about.
Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England. With more teams though, the format would need to be changed to enable teams to be eliminated through the comp.
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As I know Leigh likes his spreadsheets (pivot tables FTW) can we change the League 1 scoring by individual points?
Means we don"t get relegated as well and instead of having 2 points to show all season we finish mid table.... :)
Walsall 378
Solent 289
Cardiff 203
Bristol 180
Liverpool 162
Stockton-On-Tees 145
Birmingham 133
Edinburgh 121
Belfast 84
Manchester 15
Actually as we"re no longer in Div 1 anymore.. I guess it doesnt matter :"(
Seriously though.. the online league / scoring system needs a serious looking at for next season. Congrats to Walsall on taking down to the title. Well deserved IMO.
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Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England.
England already has a C team.
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As I know Leigh likes his spreadsheets (pivot tables FTW) can we change the League 1 scoring by individual points?
Means we don"t get relegated as well and instead of having 2 points to show all season we finish mid table.... :)
Walsall 378
Solent 289
Cardiff 203
Bristol 180
Liverpool 162
Stockton-On-Tees 145
Birmingham 133
Edinburgh 121
Belfast 84
Manchester 15
Actually as we"re no longer in Div 1 anymore.. I guess it doesnt matter :"(
Seriously though.. the online league / scoring system needs a serious looking at for next season. Congrats to Walsall on taking down to the title. Well deserved IMO.
On my list
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Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England.
England already has a C team.
I lol"ed ;D
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Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England. With more teams though, the format would need to be changed to enable teams to be eliminated through the comp.
Having more than one team per country is never fair when the "away" nations only get to put one team up.
The issue is selection of the "away" teams not the "home " teams...at least that"s the way I read it.
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Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England.
England already has a C team.
I lol"ed ;D
And what makes the event all the better is having people coming from afar to play. Wouldnt be as exciting without.
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As I know Leigh likes his spreadsheets (pivot tables FTW) can we change the League 1 scoring by individual points?
Means we don"t get relegated as well and instead of having 2 points to show all season we finish mid table.... :)
Walsall 378
Solent 289
Cardiff 203
Bristol 180
Liverpool 162
Stockton-On-Tees 145
Birmingham 133
Edinburgh 121
Belfast 84
Manchester 15
Actually as we"re no longer in Div 1 anymore.. I guess it doesnt matter :"(
Seriously though.. the online league / scoring system needs a serious looking at for next season. Congrats to Walsall on taking down to the title. Well deserved IMO.
On my list
+1
Not because it would have improved Bristols score (it wouldnt have) it just seems fairer.
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Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England. With more teams though, the format would need to be changed to enable teams to be eliminated through the comp.
Having more than one team per country is never fair when the "away" nations only get to out one team up.
The issue is selection of the "away" teams not the "home " teams...at least that"s the way I read it.
But it would be much more representative of APAT membership
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Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England. With more teams though, the format would need to be changed to enable teams to be eliminated through the comp.
Having more than one team per country is never fair when the "away" nations only get to out one team up.
The issue is selection of the "away" teams not the "home " teams...at least that"s the way I read it.
But it would be much more representative of APAT membership
Perhaps but that"s not the point of the competition.
By your criteria the Chinese could enter 5 teams for every event into the Olympics.
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Would be nice and also a fair solution that all members of the APAT community have a real chance to play for their country at the APAT European / World Championships. Specially out of UK / Ireland there isn"t a fair solution.
I was only thinking about this yesterday.
It"s a difficult one actually because in a way we have two sets of teams. The UK based teams where the majority of APATers are from and then the mainland European teams, whcih heavily rely on APAT having a contact in each country.
Each set of teams have a very different method in which to select their teams. I feel that the UK team captains have a certain responsibility to look at players in current APAT form etc, whereas due to the lack of APAT events that mainland European players play, it is more likely that the captains will select a group of friends/mates that will travel over together.
It"s a tough one to get the balance right, and the last thing we would ever want to happen is always have the same faces representing each country every year. That would detract from what the event is about.
Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England. With more teams though, the format would need to be changed to enable teams to be eliminated through the comp.
This is a good idea in a lot of ways and I"m sure a lot of people who agree with Del here.
Just to play devils advocate here though does this not take away something from the people who are selected for the national team? At the moment it is a huge honour to be asked to represent your national team and if there is another team as well it just would not be the same.
Being objective, I suppose you could give england a B team due to the high numbers of players from england. Wales and Scotland do not need B teams.
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+1 on Achim being made captain of the 2011 German team. He puts in more miles (kilometres) than most and should be rewarded for his commitment to APAT.
I vote Achim G for German team captain for 2011
Top bloke
Cheers
Ian
NB
This man travels a long way for our tournies and doesn"t have much luck with planes ;D
Suggest you allow at least 3 days to get to Nottingham though Achim based on your last experience!!!!
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Would be nice and also a fair solution that all members of the APAT community have a real chance to play for their country at the APAT European / World Championships. Specially out of UK / Ireland there isn"t a fair solution.
I was only thinking about this yesterday.
It"s a difficult one actually because in a way we have two sets of teams. The UK based teams where the majority of APATers are from and then the mainland European teams, whcih heavily rely on APAT having a contact in each country.
Each set of teams have a very different method in which to select their teams. I feel that the UK team captains have a certain responsibility to look at players in current APAT form etc, whereas due to the lack of APAT events that mainland European players play, it is more likely that the captains will select a group of friends/mates that will travel over together.
It"s a tough one to get the balance right, and the last thing we would ever want to happen is always have the same faces representing each country every year. That would detract from what the event is about.
Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England. With more teams though, the format would need to be changed to enable teams to be eliminated through the comp.
This is a good idea in a lot of ways and I"m sure a lot of people who agree with Del here.
Just to play devils advocate here though does this not take away something from the people who are selected for the national team? At the moment it is a huge honour to be asked to represent your national team and if there is another team as well it just would not be the same.
Being objective, I suppose you could give england a B team due to the high numbers of players from england. Wales and Scotland do not need B teams.
The point is that it should be one country"s team v each other country"s team. By having more than one team per country (esp. the "host" country) you give that "host" an unfair advantage.
This is the same reasoning applied to the Forum Team Event like the one at the end of January. We don"t allow APAT to have more than one team...the same applies here.
The discussion was about the possible "unfairness" in the selection of the "away" nations teams...let"s try and keep it on track.
If we want to have a discussion about how the UK/England teams etc are selected then we can take that to another thread.
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If we want to have a discussion about how the UK/England teams etc are selected then we can take that to another thread.
That doesn"t really make any sense
This is a thread about season 5, so anything relating to season 5 is relevant
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If we want to have a discussion about how the UK/England teams etc are selected then we can take that to another thread.
That doesn"t really make any sense
This is a thread about season 5, so anything relating to season 5 is relevant
True..of course, but I was just trying to separate the discussions...but, whatever.
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If we want to have a discussion about how the UK/England teams etc are selected then we can take that to another thread.
That doesn"t really make any sense
This is a thread about season 5, so anything relating to season 5 is relevant
True..of course, but I was just trying to separate the discussions...but, whatever.
;D
The principle was good but I think after 15 pages it"s a bit late for that
;D
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Would be nice and also a fair solution that all members of the APAT community have a real chance to play for their country at the APAT European / World Championships. Specially out of UK / Ireland there isn"t a fair solution.
I was only thinking about this yesterday.
It"s a difficult one actually because in a way we have two sets of teams. The UK based teams where the majority of APATers are from and then the mainland European teams, whcih heavily rely on APAT having a contact in each country.
Each set of teams have a very different method in which to select their teams. I feel that the UK team captains have a certain responsibility to look at players in current APAT form etc, whereas due to the lack of APAT events that mainland European players play, it is more likely that the captains will select a group of friends/mates that will travel over together.
It"s a tough one to get the balance right, and the last thing we would ever want to happen is always have the same faces representing each country every year. That would detract from what the event is about.
Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England. With more teams though, the format would need to be changed to enable teams to be eliminated through the comp.
This is a good idea in a lot of ways and I"m sure a lot of people who agree with Del here.
Just to play devils advocate here though does this not take away something from the people who are selected for the national team? At the moment it is a huge honour to be asked to represent your national team and if there is another team as well it just would not be the same.
Being objective, I suppose you could give england a B team due to the high numbers of players from england. Wales and Scotland do not need B teams.
The point is that it should be one country"s team v each other country"s team. By having more than one team per country (esp. the "host" country) you give that "host" an unfair advantage.
This is the same reasoning applied to the Forum Team Event like the one at the end of January. We don"t allow APAT to have more than one team...the same applies here.
The discussion was about the possible "unfairness" in the selection of the "away" nations teams...let"s try and keep it on track.
If we want to have a discussion about how the UK/England teams etc are selected then we can take that to another thread.
Really?
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Would be nice and also a fair solution that all members of the APAT community have a real chance to play for their country at the APAT European / World Championships. Specially out of UK / Ireland there isn"t a fair solution.
I was only thinking about this yesterday.
It"s a difficult one actually because in a way we have two sets of teams. The UK based teams where the majority of APATers are from and then the mainland European teams, whcih heavily rely on APAT having a contact in each country.
Each set of teams have a very different method in which to select their teams. I feel that the UK team captains have a certain responsibility to look at players in current APAT form etc, whereas due to the lack of APAT events that mainland European players play, it is more likely that the captains will select a group of friends/mates that will travel over together.
It"s a tough one to get the balance right, and the last thing we would ever want to happen is always have the same faces representing each country every year. That would detract from what the event is about.
Surley a fair solution would be to have "A" & "B" teams from the home nations and probably a "C" team for England. With more teams though, the format would need to be changed to enable teams to be eliminated through the comp.
This is a good idea in a lot of ways and I"m sure a lot of people who agree with Del here.
Just to play devils advocate here though does this not take away something from the people who are selected for the national team? At the moment it is a huge honour to be asked to represent your national team and if there is another team as well it just would not be the same.
Being objective, I suppose you could give england a B team due to the high numbers of players from england. Wales and Scotland do not need B teams.
The point is that it should be one country"s team v each other country"s team. By having more than one team per country (esp. the "host" country) you give that "host" an unfair advantage.
This is the same reasoning applied to the Forum Team Event like the one at the end of January. We don"t allow APAT to have more than one team...the same applies here.
The discussion was about the possible "unfairness" in the selection of the "away" nations teams...let"s try and keep it on track.
If we want to have a discussion about how the UK/England teams etc are selected then we can take that to another thread.
Really?
Yes. ;D
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New Venues for S5
Aspers Newcastle
Alea Leeds
G Blackpool
Best of S4
DTD + G Coventry
Have online series to choose an England team for European Team Championship.
Keep buy in at £75
Stick to Saturday for online championships and $50
Keep Betfair as they are an excellent sponsor.
Move pro league to FRI
Have Tallin + Barcelona in summer
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I can"t seem to find the the dates for the 2011 APAT Scottish leg they only have the a link saying June 2010 is this a typo ??
Can anyone confirm the dates?
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Season 5 (2011) dates and schedule has not yet been released.
I"m given to understand that this will happen soooooon...
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I see looking forward to the new dates to be announced! Do you think it"ll be in Aberdeen again ?
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I see looking forward to the new dates to be announced! Do you think it"ll be in Aberdeen again ?
Nope....I don"t think there is a venue in Aberdeen that could find the capacity..even the International struggled.
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S4 is now officially over.....
So - S5.... when? sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon?
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Yeah, getting serious grief of the missus as i won"t let her book anything until I can see if it avoids clashing with APAT. Hopefully this year it won"t clash with her birthday as it has the last two!
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I heard Des is in final negotiations with Brian Yates to ensure there is no clashes with any BCPC events. ;)
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yup, would love to know the dates as soon as possible!
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Could I ask that there be a Boardman family Arm Wrestling event at each stop please?
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I heard Des is in final negotiations with Brian Yates to ensure there is no clashes with any BCPC events. ;)
hahahahhaahah rrrrrrrrrrrr
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lol stu.
Brians back in the uk now after his important business trip overseas, which ruled him out of leading his mighty team in Bolton.
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Could I ask that there be a Boardman family Arm mud Wrestling event at each stop please?
FYP ;D
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Could I ask that there be a Boardman family Arm mud Wrestling event at each stop please?
FYP ;D
What a limited imagination...Jello or custard wrestling are the only options!
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Could I ask that there be a Boardman family Arm mud Wrestling event at each stop please?
FYP ;D
What a limited imagination...Jello or custard wrestling are the only options!
Not a limited imagination. Just aware that there may be mods reading this!
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Could I ask that there be a Boardman family Arm mud Wrestling event at each stop please?
FYP ;D
What a limited imagination...Jello or custard wrestling are the only options!
Not a limited imagination. Just aware that there may be mods reading this!
Oh, shoot...is this mike on?
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Leave most things as they are - but do some things a bit different.
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My only input to the Season 5 thread, and it is the same as I expected from last season, but it never happened..!!!
Once the rules are setout at the start of the season, dont change them mid season.
Carl
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My only input to the Season 5 thread, and it is the same as I expected from last season, but it never happened..!!!
Once the rules are setout at the start of the season, dont change them mid season.
Carl
Are you suggesting that they have been changed mid season in the past Carl?
::)
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What rules were changed mid season? None right?
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My only input to the Season 5 thread, and it is the same as I expected from last season, but it never happened..!!!
Once the rules are setout at the start of the season, dont change them mid season.
Carl
Are you suggesting that they have been changed mid season in the past Carl?
::)
Yes
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What rules were changed mid season? None right?
correct - but don"t tell Carl. He will get very upset.
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What rules were changed mid season? None right?
correct - but don"t tell Carl. He will get very upset.
Pack it in... Made my point back then, not getting into it again... Just wanted to make my voice heard for season 5 not get into same debate again. :)
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Leave most things as they are - but do some things a bit different.
Good idea - I would make a few more changes though. Just imo you understand.
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Can we have an event in Zagreb?
No idea whether it has any poker creds but it"ll be a laugh watching Phil_TC trying to do his hair in the colours of the Croatian Flag ;D
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Can we have an event in Zagreb?
No idea whether it has any poker creds but it"ll be a laugh watching Phil_TC trying to do his hair in the colours of the Croatian Flag ;D
Word is that he"s already started preparing his hair for the "wee mans" Vegas trip in November.
One star would be tricky, but 50.......and stripes as well ??? ??? ??? ???
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lmao ;D
However.. its not the first and wont be the last I"m sure I"ll ever say this.. but it might have to be speedos FTW ;D
(http://www.aqua-gear.com/images/SPSiliconeSwimCapUSANationalFlag2.jpg)
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Things I would like for S05 (obv just opinions and Im sure many will disagree):
-Payout structure (been discussed before)
-Bigger buy in to key comps. Obv £75 is the amount that people want, but I feel prestigious events like DTD could up in to £150. This will give a bigger prize pool, make the even a little larger and more of a stand-out event on the APAT calender. The team event buy in of £50pp should also be altered imo, as the prizepool is split into 2. Even if it was £100pp it would build up the relatively small prizepool (obv this is more about bragging rites, etc - but no reason it cant have decent £ to go along with it)
-Video archive to see interviews done over the weekends
-Maybe a full online series (like the events at dtd or all that betfair can provide). This way there can be seperate events, but a player of the championship award would ensure they were well intended, and obv give Paul something else to crush...
Apart from that, seems a good place to say thanks for a great season - really looking forward to the next! Thanks to the team and to betfair!!
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I like the pay out structure as is. Certainly for the lower positions anyway.
My wish-list:
- A rejigged structure. Hated the 100/200 jump to 150/300/25. I would like to see more blind levels slotted in but with bigger antes. Should make for a better game without lengthening the comp. Someone I"m sure has read Negreanu"s comments on this and would post a link.
- Any chance of a bigger capacity at the side events at the WCOAP? I know this would be awkward logistically but the HU probably could"ve got 64 runners.
- Other than that, think season 4 has been top drawer. Congrats all and many thanks.
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My wish-list:
- A rejigged structure. Hated the 100/200 jump to 150/300/25. I would like to see more blind levels slotted in but with bigger antes. Should make for a better game without lengthening the comp. Someone I"m sure has read Negreanu"s comments on this and would post a link.
If you want bigger antes, then you will still get a similar size jump, even when repeating a blind level.
Assuming 10 palyers at table....
from 100/200 = 300 / orbit
we currently go to 150/300/25 = 700 / orbit, an increase of x2.33
whereas 100/200/50 = 800 / orbit, an increase of x2.67
For the record, I too am in favour of bigger antes, in the range 1/4 - 1/3 x SB.
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I don"t know if there"s a "proper" formula for antes but I"d always assumed that they should be (at a 10 handed table) 10% of the BB.
Plus, it"s "normal" (where I come from) to repeat a blind level when introducing the antes thus easing them in...
25/50
50/100
75/150
100/200
100/200/25
150/300/25
200/400/50
300/600/50
etc
I don"t know how those jumps work for you....
The rub is that APAT has to get their events over at a certain point and means compromises in certain areas, the structure being one.
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the DTD Deepstack structure is much smoother, it repeats the 100/200 level with ante introduction, and unless I"m mistaken it also includes 500/1000.......... with 10k chips and 45 min clock, what time do they start and finish day one?
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There"s no set rule for antes, you can have whatever you like at the end of the day!
Negreanu"s blog: http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-blogs/2-daniel-negreanu/entries/263684-antes-in-tournaments
The only issue I have with APAT tournaments is that there are too many short stacks hanging around at the same time. Upping the antes means you can flatten the blind structure slightly without affecting the length of the tournament.
I"d propose something like:
25/50 (75)
50/100 (150)
75/150 (225)
100/200 (300)
100/200/25 (550)
150/300/50 (950)
200/400/50 (1100)
300/600/75 (1650)
400/800/100 (2200)
500/1000/150 (3000)
I believe level 10 of the standard structure is 800/1600/100, cost per round of 3400, which isn"t too much more. Could always remove the 75/150 level if needed. Currently TAGs with no hands in the first 3 hours drop from an M of 30 to an M of 13 assuming a 9k stack. Cue tightness from too many people to keep things moving along. My thinking is there needs to be a bit more play before/around the antes kicking in to allow the stacks to diverge a little more. A flatter structure at the start allows everyone longer to play, be it TAG or LAG.
I"d prefer to see more levels and a shorter clock if time really was an issue.
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For the record, I too am in favour of bigger antes, in the range 1/4 - 1/3 x SB.
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This is the Holy grail, if only more people knew.
PS, that is an amazing structure IMO dwh1o3, having larger antes really suits my game i think.
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My wish-list:
- A rejigged structure. Hated the 100/200 jump to 150/300/25. I would like to see more blind levels slotted in but with bigger antes. Should make for a better game without lengthening the comp. Someone I"m sure has read Negreanu"s comments on this and would post a link.
If you want bigger antes, then you will still get a similar size jump, even when repeating a blind level.
Assuming 10 palyers at table....
from 100/200 = 300 / orbit
we currently go to 150/300/25 = 700 / orbit, an increase of x2.33
whereas 100/200/50 = 800 / orbit, an increase of x2.67
For the record, I too am in favour of bigger antes, in the range 1/4 - 1/3 x SB.
Ignore that load of old tosh... 100/200 with a 50 ante!?!?! It has been a long day!!
Clearly I meant - 100/200/25 = 550, an increase of x1.833
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For the record, I too am in favour of bigger antes, in the range 1/4 - 1/3 x SB.
This is the Holy grail, if only more people knew.
PS, that is an amazing structure IMO dwh1o3, having larger antes really suits my game i think.
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Thanks :)
At the end of the day, if the tournament needs to be over in x amount of time - encourage aggro play!
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We have discussions every year about certain things and I honestly think the one thing that will NOT change is the buy-ins. APAT isn"t, and never has been, about the prizepool. It"s about the banter, the community etc. £75 makes it accessible to ALL.
DTD structure is missing something we get - a dinner break. It runs about 12hrs on day 1 without said break.
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The only change I would potentially like to see is an earlier start to the League games, if they"re staying on a Sunday. Have early starts Monday morning for work, which has prevented me playing in them recently so if they started, even just an hour, earlier that would be great.
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25/50 (75)
50/100 (150)
75/150 (225)
100/200 (300)
100/200/25 (550)
150/300/50 (950)
200/400/50 (1100)
300/600/75 (1650)
400/800/100 (2200)
500/1000/150 (3000)
This looks pretty good!
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25/50 (75)
50/100 (150)
75/150 (225)
100/200 (300)
100/200/25 (550)
150/300/50 (950)
200/400/50 (1100)
300/600/75 (1650)
400/800/100 (2200)
500/1000/150 (3000)
This looks pretty good!
this was pretty much the APAT structure at the start of S3 ( minus the 100/200/25) and it was changed to the present structure because the first event went on until the early hours on Monday morning.
This is not good for amateurs who have work on Monday"s.
FWIW I think the present structure is spot on. It can get a bit crap shooty but what 45 min blind tourney doesn"t at some stage.
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The only change I would potentially like to see is an earlier start to the League games, if they"re staying on a Sunday. Have early starts Monday morning for work, which has prevented me playing in them recently so if they started, even just an hour, earlier that would be great.
I would agree with this actually - could they not start at 7pm or even 6:30pm. Personally I would also like to see the online championship events start earlier on Saturday but I am guessing that is not going to happen as I think most would disagree with me there?
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No,
I agree with you Steve, makes for an easier life :)
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Online championships AND league games both on a Sunday please.. and 7pm, 8pm.. 9pm.. whenever for me.. all good.. as long as they"re Sundays
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All tournys get crap shooty at some point of course, but with a better ante structure (like the one posted above)
it simply helps move the tourny along, while at the same time making sure that once we are down to the last 4 or 5 tables there is still a level of post flop play.
At the weekend i noticed that once down to the last 4 tables, even people who had twice the average couldnt afford to raise 3x and then fold to any kind of shove because you are now priced into call, so you need to be delt hands with show down value in order to consider raising, otherwise you are bleeding chips. This means that decant post flop players have lost all their edge and it becomes a lottery or winning flips and running good far to early imo.
I would recommend reading DNs post, i put it up on the main page a couple of months ago but you can find it here also, and he explains it in a way that is easy to understand.
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Can we ask the GBolton to change the buffet chef for next year
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7/ Or if apat think that the pro league would work again they could have one pro main event for the season and making it an all singing all dancing spectacular one off event. Something with really amazing structure and value like the deepstack at Luton in march. With £500-1k buy in, 50k chips, 1 hour clock, over 3 days (day1a and 1b if needed). Dont clash with apat amateur and have loads of online sats so people can qualify online. Also wherever the venue is run live satellites in the venue the night before. Last season the 20k was a bit wishy washy but say if it was used for the winner of this event and promoted properly it would be quite dramatic and exciting and a lot of people would want to play. If it was held in London you would get a lot of the bigger pros interested in playing and all the apaters who think £500-1k is out of their bankroll could qualify if they tried hard enough. Could make it a really amazing one off for the year event! With an amazing field, amazing value for the winner, and amazing structure at an amazing venue. Everyone would want to be involved.
agree with the vast majority of whats above but v much like this idea!
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Lots of great ideas from Maylis particularly the one on accessories. I"m now on the hunt for a leopard print hoody and shades! :) Not sure about the shoes though. Do they do them in a 12?
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Coming soon. ;D
yes, I know it"s been done before..
yes, I know it"s childish..
but it"s still funny. ;D
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Coming soon. ;D
yes, I know it"s been done before..
yes, I know it"s childish..
but it"s still funny. ;D
Or not....
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7/ Or if apat think that the pro league would work again they could have one pro main event for the season and making it an all singing all dancing spectacular one off event. Something with really amazing structure and value like the deepstack at Luton in march. With £500-1k buy in, 50k chips, 1 hour clock, over 3 days (day1a and 1b if needed). Dont clash with apat amateur and have loads of online sats so people can qualify online. Also wherever the venue is run live satellites in the venue the night before. Last season the 20k was a bit wishy washy but say if it was used for the winner of this event and promoted properly it would be quite dramatic and exciting and a lot of people would want to play. If it was held in London you would get a lot of the bigger pros interested in playing and all the apaters who think £500-1k is out of their bankroll could qualify if they tried hard enough. Could make it a really amazing one off for the year event! With an amazing field, amazing value for the winner, and amazing structure at an amazing venue. Everyone would want to be involved.
agree with the vast majority of whats above but v much like this idea!
Yeah i think this would be so exciting.
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APAT always try to do their best and it"s also hard to satisfy all the members all the time. So first thanks for their efforts. All of us knows that there is hard work behind to realise all the online/offline events.
My thoughts about that:
The"re three groups with interests: APAT, Community and Sponsor.
It would be fantastic to have a total agreement but I guess that"s really hard to realise.
Player"s: want perfect organized tournaments, benefits, low costs, etc.
Sponsor: want Return on investment, brand awareness, new sustainable customers (signups)
So first APAT needs a mission statement, what"s their own aim, where they want to go?
That"s the initial point and the base for all decisions.( expand national/international, Venues, Pro events, Buyins, etc.)
Season 4 is over and APAT have successive more and more followers. Why?
Maylis said: "A lot of people play the APAT tour because they like the social side of it."
Agree 100% !
I"m sure that"s one of the most important reasons for APAT's success last years.
Please don"t change to much on your original aims, because I"m a bit afraid that APAT could lose profile.
A(mateur) PAT.
@Maylis
Appreciate your posting:
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Theres a lot made of the "amateur" thing. Theres a pretty thin line between amateur and pro. I know a lot of amatuers who want to play higher buy-ins. The definition of amateur has def changed in the past 5 years, as now the average player is more educated, not only skill wise, but also about structures, etc.
I dnt think its easy to say - amateurs want a, b + c anymore.
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i dont think players would expect an open bar or anything like that.
Have you actually met the APAT players? ;)
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@ Marty
Please don"t missunderstand me. Agree your posting, but for me an "Amateur" in APAT interests is a synonymic word for a lot of different things. Realistic Buyin, Social side, like Maylis said, etc. It"s the responsibilty of APAT that nobody from the Regulars has to fall overbord in case that money (buyin more than 75-100 GBP) would be the reason. Then we all lose the APAT spirit for my opinion.
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The definition of amateur has def changed in the past 5 years
Not for APAT is hasn"t....Amateur does not necessarily equate to inexperienced or uneducated.
I"m a highly experienced poker player but my skills are marginal at best...ask anyone who"s played with me.
Perhaps they should change the name to Social Poker Association and Tour.
SPAT....it doesn"t have quite the same ring to it, does it?
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The definition of amateur has def changed in the past 5 years
Not for APAT is hasn"t....Amateur does not necessarily equate to inexperienced or uneducated.
I"m a highly experienced poker player but my skills are marginal at best...ask anyone who"s played with me.
This is where u are maybe an exception rather than the rule. The real difference is that more amatuers are actively studying the game at the minute. I have send out 11 copies of the poker mind pdf in 24hours as amateur players are wanting to better their game. Im sure that making money is a large part of why people are working so hard on their games. At the minute, Im sure there are not many players that have managed to end up in profit from the tour, due to the fact that travel+expenses usually = 3-4x the tournament buy-in at least. The fact that it is so well run, and the work done by Leigh, Tighty, Des etc is helping to have players coming back again and again. I think its important that the poker side of these weekends doesnt get left behind the social side.
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The definition of amateur has def changed in the past 5 years
Not for APAT is hasn"t....Amateur does not necessarily equate to inexperienced or uneducated.
I"m a highly experienced poker player but my skills are marginal at best...ask anyone who"s played with me.
This is where u are maybe an exception rather than the rule. The real difference is that more amatuers are actively studying the game at the minute. I have send out 11 copies of the poker mind pdf in 24hours as amateur players are wanting to better their game. Im sure that making money is a large part of why people are working so hard on their games. At the minute, Im sure there are not many players that have managed to end up in profit from the tour, due to the fact that travel+expenses usually = 3-4x the tournament buy-in at least. The fact that it is so well run, and the work done by Leigh, Tighty, Des etc is helping to have players coming back again and again. I think its important that the poker side of these weekends doesnt get left behind the social side.
I think this bit - "...Im sure that making money is a large part of why people are working so hard on their games. At the minute, Im sure there are not many players that have managed to end up in profit from the tour..." - highlights the contradiction in your post.
Yes, people are working on their game to make money - but the fact that it is obviously very hard to make a profit from playing APAT just emphasizes the fact that making money isn"t why people are playing them.
"the poker side" of the weekend is basically the structure isn"t it? And apart from a tweak to the antes and a tweak to the payouts there isn"t really much to change there. So I don"t really see how it could get left behind.
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I did point out Jon, but maybe not in the clearest of terms that it is the way tournaments are ran, and the people behind it that keep bringing players back. I do believe that making money is why so many "amateurs" are working on their games. I think many of these people would like to have the chance at a +ROI after travel and expenses for an APAT season. Im sure the games will sell-out regardless, but as I mentioned, think the priority of the weekend should be poker, with the social side coming after (to be fair - as long as there is a bar this side sorts itself out).
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I know a lot of amatuers who want to play higher buy-ins.
I take your points from previously...my comment about my skills was meant in jest. Of course we all try to improve over time...some do, some don"t but come along for the social side more than the poker.
There are larger buy-ins out there...we all know about them, some play them if they are rolled for it.
Des and his team know that many use APAT as a stepping stone to bigger things....they"d love nothing better than to bring in some of those steps themselves. APAT tried the "Pro" series..and with all due respect to APAT and those who took part...it kind of fizzled. I"m sure there were some interesting discussions in Des" office about why that was and what could be done about it.
APAT is what it is...it still has aspirations but to me the underlying rationale behind it shouldn"t change....bringing high-quality, relatively low staked, well structured tournaments to the market.
Anything over that is just gravy!
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I have send out 11 copies of the poker mind pdf in 24hours as amateur players are wanting to better their game.
I bet the author is pleased. ::)
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I have send out 11 copies of the poker mind pdf in 24hours as amateur players are wanting to better their game.
I bet the author is pleased. ::)
Im not pleased!! I got charged $45 for it and just found out it only costs $20. Im a mug...
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I thought that when i started this season and the pro league was to be included that they were testing the name
APAT = "Amateur and Professional Association and Tour"
Dont know if ive just totally made that up or dreamed it up but im sure that was being used.
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I thought that when i started this season and the pro league was to be included that they were testing the name
APAT = "Amateur and Professional Association and Tour"
Dont know if ive just totally made that up or dreamed it up but im sure that was being used.
You"re kind of right.
A.P.A.T. as an abbreviation has always meant Amateur Poker Association and Tour...after all, you have to have the word "Poker" in there or it doesn"t really make sense.
HOWEVER, when the logo sort of changed to APAT with the smaller "T" was introduced and Season 2(?) evolved to try and attract a wider base they needed some other form of words that sort of fit.
Hence, APAT also could be used to mean....Amateur, Professional, Association and Tour.
At least that"s the way I remember it....I think some of us kicked off at the time...I may have a root around in the archives for shyts and giggles.
[EDIT]
Here you go
APAT will never be referred to as "Amateur Professional Association & Tour" as "Amateur Poker Association & tour" had been previously. It will be referred to as APAT or the APAT Poker Association & Tour. The logo text simply reflects that the organisation will represent amateur and professional players, and offers an association and tour.
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Listening intently everyone, thanks
links to the antes stuff were good
Methinks Maylis might be a budget setters" worst nightmare!!
("I"d like this and this and this oh and one of those and this and this and....."
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Id like to see introduced next season the bar to be shut before & during the competiton as feel those that drink at APAT events are over working the bar staff and the valet to a point that they might do themselves a injury or crack up under the pressure and end up in a mental hospital
YOU ALL KNOW WHO YOUE ARE
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Id like to see introduced next season the bar to be shut before & during the competiton as feel those that drink at APAT events are over working the bar staff and the valet to a point that they might do themselves a injury or crack up under the pressure and end up in a mental hospital
YOU ALL KNOW WHO YOUE ARE
Good point. ;D
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Id like to see introduced next season the bar to be shut before & during the competiton as feel those that drink at APAT events are over working the bar staff and the valet to a point that they might do themselves a injury or crack up under the pressure and end up in a mental hospital
YOU ALL KNOW WHO YOUE ARE
I disagree with this. If there was no alcohol involved then people like you might actually win one of these things.
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Yes, people are working on their game to make money - but the fact that it is obviously very hard to make a profit from playing APAT just emphasizes the fact that making money isn"t why people are playing them.
Nuh-oh, don"t agree with this. People play poker because, while it is a social game, you can win money. For any serious player, making the money places is exactly why they play APAT games especially as there"s a GUKPT seat on offer for the winner. And serious doesn"t have to mean hardcore pro either, just anyone trying to improve at the game.
APAT games for serious or semi-serious amateur players (which I think is the majority) are obviously not going to be the only games they play in the year. The goal is to be a winning player at the end of the year from ALL poker not just the APAT tour.
I"ve never believed that people show up for these weekends purely because of the social entanglements. You can get pissed and fall into water features with your usual circle of friends at home. I"m speculating of course but I can"t see these events being over subscribed if they were all free-rolls but the only prizes on offer were medals.
The poker aspect of the tour must always be the priority obviously as it"s a poker tour not an 18-30s weekend tour group. But without contradicting myself, I"m not sure that always has to manifest itself in a beautifully calculated structure.
Structures matter of course, but I"m more interested in the events being held in the best venues with the most experienced dealers and TDs and nicest fixtures and fittings and wherever possible, waitresses that call you "Sugar" and wink at you, than having a structure that rivals anything you see in the professional world.
People wanting a one off tournament buy-in and a perfect structure are wanting their cake and eating it. Cash games are for the structure-purists. Tournaments were designed in the first place to encourage action were they not? That was the whole point of the exercise. The crap-shoot element was the main selling point no? APAT games are also £75 games which is a lot of money to find on the floor, but in poker terms it"s mini-stakes isn"t it..so I think we have to be realistic about how long these events should last and how they should play out.
In summary - fast structures suit my game better.
The end.
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After certain instances this past weekend in Bolton which hindered the official running of the tournament, APAT is considering a ban on alcohol sale during the hours of tournament play itself for next season
Thank you.
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After certain instances this past weekend in Bolton which hindered the official running of the tournament, APAT is considering a ban on alcohol sale during the hours of tournament play itself for next season
Thank you.
Quite right too.
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After certain instances this past weekend in Bolton which hindered the official running of the tournament, APAT is considering a ban on alcohol sale during the hours of tournament play itself for next season
Thank you.
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Season 5 of APAT gets underway with it"s newly introduced prohibition on alcohol.
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Structures matter of course, but I"m more interested in the events being held in the best venues with the most experienced dealers and TDs and nicest fixtures and fittings and wherever possible, waitresses that call you "Sugar" and wink at you, than having a structure that rivals anything you see in the professional world.
I don"t normally but...
+1 and ^ this...oh so much ^ this
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After certain instances this past weekend in Bolton which hindered the official running of the tournament, APAT is considering a ban on alcohol sale during the hours of tournament play itself for next season
Thank you.
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Season 5 of APAT gets underway with it"s newly introduced prohibition on alcohol.
Bad choice of pic to illustrate your point really... that"s the Venetian, you get free beer when you play there!
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After certain instances this past weekend in Bolton which hindered the official running of the tournament, APAT is considering a ban on alcohol sale during the hours of tournament play itself for next season
Thank you.
(http://www.custompokertables.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/poker-room-venetian.jpg)
Season 5 of APAT gets underway with it"s newly introduced prohibition on alcohol.
Bad choice of pic to illustrate your point really... that"s the Venetian, you get free beer when you play there!
Sigh. Was making a joke not a point. ::)
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After certain instances this past weekend in Bolton which hindered the official running of the tournament, APAT is considering a ban on alcohol sale during the hours of tournament play itself for next season
Thank you.
(http://www.custompokertables.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/poker-room-venetian.jpg)
Season 5 of APAT gets underway with it"s newly introduced prohibition on alcohol.
Bad choice of pic to illustrate your point joke really... that"s the Venetian, you get free beer when you play there!
Sigh. Was making a joke not a point. ::)
FMP
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After certain instances this past weekend in Bolton which hindered the official running of the tournament, APAT is considering a ban on alcohol sale during the hours of tournament play itself for next season
Thank you.
(http://www.custompokertables.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/poker-room-venetian.jpg)
Season 5 of APAT gets underway with it"s newly introduced prohibition on alcohol.
Bad choice of pic to illustrate your point joke really... that"s the Venetian, you get free beer when you play there!
Sigh. Was making a joke not a point. ::)
FMP
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Yeah the joke, which has now been killed stone dead, was to suggest no one would show up if we had an alcohol ban and I hilariously helped to illustrate the point using a random picture of an empty card room as a visual aid, it"s location and alcohol policy being irrelevant for the purposes of the gag.
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Yeah the joke, which has now been killed stone dead, was to suggest no one would show up if we had an alcohol ban and I hilariously helped to illustrate the point using a random picture of an empty card room as a visual aid, it"s location and alcohol policy being irrelevant for the purposes of the gag.
Oh...I get it now. ;D
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After certain instances this past weekend in Bolton which hindered the official running of the tournament, APAT is considering a ban on alcohol sale during the hours of tournament play itself for next season
Thank you.
(http://www.custompokertables.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/poker-room-venetian.jpg)
Season 5 of APAT gets underway with it"s newly introduced prohibition on alcohol.
Bad choice of pic to illustrate your point joke really... that"s the Venetian, you get free beer when you play there!
Sigh. Was making a joke not a point. ::)
FMP
(http://www.facebooksmileys.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/smiley_face_tongue.jpg)
Yeah the joke, which has now been killed stone dead, was to suggest no one would show up if we had an alcohol ban and I hilariously helped to illustrate the point using a random picture of an empty card room as a visual aid, it"s location and alcohol policy being irrelevant for the purposes of the gag.
Sorry matey, I could quickly delete my last few posts... maybe no one has noticed.
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After certain instances this past weekend in Bolton which hindered the official running of the tournament, APAT is considering a ban on alcohol sale during the hours of tournament play itself for next season
Thank you.
Quite right too.
Whatever about you lot and yer jokes and points...I"m still struggling with ^^^THIS^^^ bit! :o
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Listening intently everyone, thanks
links to the antes stuff were good
Methinks Maylis might be a budget setters" worst nightmare!!
("I"d like this and this and this oh and one of those and this and this and....."
NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXit0FTxa1U&feature=related
No need to thank me Rich
Geo
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Very good Geo.
Billy Connolly is a legend.
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Listening intently everyone, thanks
links to the antes stuff were good
Methinks Maylis might be a budget setters" worst nightmare!!
("I"d like this and this and this oh and one of those and this and this and....."
NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXit0FTxa1U&feature=related
No need to thank me Rich
Geo
Oi!
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Very good Geo.
Billy Connolly is a legend.
Stop watching YouTube and get Season 5 sorted!!!! ::) :P
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I would also like to see removed if it is a rule that apat officials can play in tournaments if they wish as i personally would not have problem with this if wanted to play
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S5 - a Pro-Am event would be good ...
L
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I would also like to see removed if it is a rule that apat officials can play in tournaments if they wish as i personally would not have problem with this if wanted to play
Always looking for the value Alan. ;)
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Des is the antithesis of value
Chipaccrual on the other hand....relax the rules.....
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Sigh
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I would also like to see removed if it is a rule that apat officials can play in tournaments if they wish as i personally would not have problem with this if wanted to play
Always looking for the value Alan. ;)
::)
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Where is it, please?
Most people need to plan ahead, some will already have made plans!!
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It is not expected before the end of this month, according to a post Des made last week, to give a rough timetable. Season 4 only finished 8 days ago and as soon as a new season is finalised it will be on here first, of course.
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I quote
"I would be tempted to say at this stage that the first live event of S5 will be at the end of March and we won"t be announcing details of the season until the end of this month. There is a lot of work to be done now so let the team get on and do it. Remember S4 was far more challenging that S3 so there hasn"t been the same amount of time for us to finalise S5 yet "
Des.
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After certain instances this past weekend in Bolton which hindered the official running of the tournament, APAT is considering a ban on alcohol sale during the hours of tournament play itself for next season
Thank you.
dont you say such hurtful things :(
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I have just had a look at the site and I am unsure if this is still going or if there are any tournaments?
thanks
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I have just had a look at the site and I am unsure if this is still going or if there are any tournaments?
thanks
Yes, APAT is still going but at the moment we"re in between seasons.
Season 4 finished at the end of January and we hope that the Season 5 schedule will be announced at the end of this month...if not sooner.
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Hiya
I havent been on here for a while... I have noticed the tour dates on the website, can anyone tell me if they are the 2010 or 2011 dates?
Thanks
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Hi Chris,
They are currently season 4 (2010). We are hoping to have season 5 announced at the end of February.
Leigh
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Thanks Leigh.... look forward to seeing them
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Hi,
I cant seem to find any dates for season 5 on the website yet, is APAT not bothering this year?
A thousand Blessings upon your camels,
Stu
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Hi,
I cant seem to find any dates for season 5 on the website yet, is APAT not bothering this year?
A thousand Blessings upon your camels,
Stu
x
We"re telling everyone by email except you....it"s a conspiracy.
Oh, wait...
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Hi,
I cant seem to find any dates for season 5 on the website yet, is APAT not bothering this year?
A thousand Blessings upon your camels,
Stu
x
We"re telling everyone by email except you....it"s a conspiracy.
Oh, wait...
I think it would be prudent to send the chief scout out ahead of time to all prospective venues for S5. Would anyone like to contribute to his airfare to check out the G Casino Beruit? ;)
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Hi,
I cant seem to find any dates for season 5 on the website yet, is APAT not bothering this year?
A thousand Blessings upon your camels,
Stu
x
We"re telling everyone by email except you....it"s a conspiracy.
Oh, wait...
I think it would be prudent to send the chief scout out ahead of time to all prospective venues for S5. Would anyone like to contribute to his airfare to check out the G Casino Beruit? ;)
What on earth has beirut done to offend you!
FWIW i shall be playing sober poker tongiht for the first time in god knows how long, i am sure phil will report back to you on how the experience differs...
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Agree with Brendan on the online league format, but not sure how to fix it in reality. I appreciate that only the top 4 scorers can contribute to the team total, so in theory a team of 4 is as strong as a team of 20.... but in practise that just doesn"t stack up over the longer term. The team of 20 will continually win by virtue of having more players - take Walsall, Solent, etc as the obvious examples (it"s not the same players making the finals every week - they have such a deep pool that there players are generally bound to make the final table and points)
Pro League - not well attended and detracts from the very special £75 APAT National event
Live Updates - love the live feed, but it detracts from the Live Updates thread, and that is imo a bad thing.
Live schedule - nicely spread through the year... BUT it seems that the majority of UK based events are coming in a rush from end of summer onward. I may have that wrong and haven"t checked the calendar - but it certainly feels that way.
Betfair - Thank you very much for an awesome value add over the season!! More of the same next year please...
Payout structure - lets get more conventional... I hate the flat structure as it stands. Would also be useful if we could end day one after the money bubble, so all those coming back on day two are in the money.
not so sure walsall turnout was quite as great and overwhelming as you think you will find it was mostly the same players scoring most weeks cos were better than everyone else 2 yrs winning team say no more me thinks
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Money bubble at end of day one would be tricky.
Apat tournys become a real tight grind as it stands anyway, and playing from 2.30 pm untill 1 am as it stands is bloody hard work. I personally Wouldnt want to have to play untill 4am just for a min cash. Most people stay in hotel for 1st night anyway, and im sure wouldnt mind comming back for day 2 refreshed and not in the money.
If there was a way that we could start earlier, or shorten the dinner break? i dont know.
I know that the ukipt started at 12.00 and day 1 finished 9pm last year. If we could start a bit earlier it could be better for the players who go deep.
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why no not upgrade stack to 15.000 chips )if is possible =)
gianluca
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why no not upgrade stack to 15.000 chips )if is possible =)
gianluca
Definitely like to see this in the worlds
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Midday start time on Day 2 could be interesting. I think it would work as most people get kicked out their hotels by then, and could theoretically win and still get home in time for Monday morning, meaning they wouldn"t have to take an extra day off work. Still start at around 2pm on the Saturday though.
Oh, another idea maybe would be to have a staggered buffet break, like what happened in Bolton? Half the field goes for one level and then the level is replayed with the other half going?
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dont give the nits 15k, they will start locking up even more.
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why no not upgrade stack to 15.000 chips )if is possible =)
gianluca
Not every event but DTD main event would be good.
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dont give the nits 15k, they will start locking up even more.
Hoi ;D
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The 2pm start time on Saturdays can be a bit inconvenient sometimes is what I"ve found because a lot of the times if you"re staying in a hotel, (the purple ones especially) they won"t let you check-in until 2pm at the earliest.
So you either have to hope they"ll let you in early, or check in after you"ve busted out. Which of course is often about 3:30pm, but can sometimes be as late as 5:00pm and there"s so much traffic about at those times. Imagine if you made day 2!! and could only check in at about 3am..urghh nightmare.
I wouldn"t mind if day 1 kicked off at 4pm and finished later, or we made the extra time up on day 2. That"s what I wouldn"t mind and you can quote me.
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i believe (and Tighty might correct me) that the 2.3opm start time is based on a number of things including, but not limited to:
Casino opening hours (they"re not all 24 hours)
Casino closing hours (ditto)
Licencing times (ditto)
Dealer availability (shifts & so forth)
Casino Support Staff availability (Bar persons, kitchens, valets etc)
Frankly, other than tweaking the payouts, I don"t see any over-riding reason to change much about the starting stack, structure and buy-ins.
Over-"improving" things is often the road to ruin.
What APAT has, works, let"s not fix something that"s not intrinsically broken.
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yes the basic problem in earlier starts is casino staffing and rotas, not APAT
I like the idea of 15,000 for the WCOAP. For the Nationals though, it will increase the length of the tournament by several hours. Not necessarily what people want, I would have thought
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I like the idea of 15,000 for the WCOAP. For the Nationals though, it will increase the length of the tournament by several hours. Not necessarily what people want, I would have thought
Agreed with increase stack for the WCOAP.
However people always estimate how much longer a tourney will last with extra chips. If you give 50% extra chips, then the tourney will only finish 2 or 3 levels later as blinds will have gone up 50% in that time. So 1hr 20min to 2hrs extra only.
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I like the idea of 15,000 for the WCOAP. For the Nationals though, it will increase the length of the tournament by several hours. Not necessarily what people want, I would have thought
Agreed with increase stack for the WCOAP.
However people always estimate how much longer a tourney will last with extra chips. If you give 50% extra chips, then the tourney will only finish 2 or 3 levels later as blinds will have gone up 50% in that time. So 1hr 20min to 2hrs extra only.
yes but my comment still applies. A 2 hour later finish say on a Sunday night=midnight, when the vast majority of the field has to travel back home, and then work the next morning for most
As ever, with discussions about structures etc we need to balance playability (of which there is currently plenty, indeed it is argued that many players can sit still for ages!) with a recognition that APAT's players are working people, recreational, with other priorities too. Also that all tournaments have to reach pinch points where certain stack sizes have to move.
So my general message is yes there will be tweaks in a lot of areas, but the general philosophy of the weekend, the tournaments and the time spent playing as opposed to wandering naked into hotel foyers is in the right balance
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Sigh.
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...but the general philosophy of the weekend, the tournaments and the time spent playing as opposed to wandering naked into hotel foyers is in the right balance.
Quality, lol.
Sigh.
Jack, it"s one of those things that will never be forgotten ;D
All I"d like to see in season 5 is more unforgettable moments...
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I think the horse event should start a little later in the day ;D
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Money bubble at end of day one would be tricky.
Apat tournys become a real tight grind as it stands anyway, and playing from 2.30 pm untill 1 am as it stands is bloody hard work. I personally Wouldnt want to have to play untill 4am just for a min cash. Most people stay in hotel for 1st night anyway, and im sure wouldnt mind comming back for day 2 refreshed and not in the money.
If there was a way that we could start earlier, or shorten the dinner break? i dont know.
I know that the ukipt started at 12.00 and day 1 finished 9pm last year. If we could start a bit earlier it could be better for the players who go deep.
The Betfair Live at the weekend got to the money bubble by midnight with a 2.10pm start.
171 players - 26 paid.
40 mins levels - but it didn"t really feel any different in terms of play - what does that extra 5 mins per level really do??
If we did play to the money - then there could be scope for a bigger "second chance" event on day 2 of the weekend.
That way people who want to play for the whole weekend either are in the money or have a "second chance".
Aside it was interesting to compare the play vs the APATs I have played in.
Much less "nitty" play on day 1 - which helped progress to the money.
Also some wilder plays - interesting to watch.
Day 2 - perhaps too many short stacks, which took too long to eliminate, so by the time they were eliminated the mid stacks were now getting short and so on.
Back to the question - what would be the negative of moving to 40 min levels and playing down to the money on day 1?
Louis
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i would last even less time than i do now.
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i would last even less time than i do now.
orly
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Playing to the money on day 1 would be 1000000x better imo
Coming back for day 2 and bubbling was extremely tilting would rather have just played to the money on day 1.
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The Betfair Live at the weekend got to the money bubble by midnight with a 2.10pm start.
171 players - 26 paid.
40 mins levels - but it didn"t really feel any different in terms of play - what does that extra 5 mins per level really do??
APAT has 200 runners and only pays 20 so it"s not the same....losing those extra 7/8 takes longer than you might think.
If they could play down to the money by 2am I"m sure they would.
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Agreed paulie. It would be soo much better and if they could get it down to the money by 2.00am then they would. Everyone wants to go home earlier, but its never gonna happen unless we start earlier, but thats down to venue and not Apat unfortunatly.
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2am - do venues want to end at this time - I thought the constraint was a 2pm start time - either way could still get to the money with 40 min levels and perhaps some guidance on monster dwells on simple folds.
APAT could change the levels to 40 mins??
A lot of the S4 tournaments were less than 200 runners.
You could also have shorter or split dinner breaks.
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2am - do venues want to end at this time - I thought the constraint was a 2pm start time - either way could still get to the money with 40 min levels and perhaps some guidance on monster dwells on simple folds.
Venues generally run their staff in shifts and 12 hours is usually the max they can ask within the budget they have agreed to. I don"t recall any instance over 4 years where the money was reached (with 200 runners) on Day 1...but I could be wrong.
I don"t think it"s really proper for anyone to issue "guidance" on how to play/fold. Anyway, how can you tell the difference between a "hollywood" dwell and someone who has a real decision? It"s not like you know what they were holding.
APAT could change the levels to 40 mins??
I suppose they might get another level out of it but I don"t see an over-riding reason to do so.
A lot of the S4 tournaments were less than 200 runners.
There were only a couple (I think) and, without looking back, I think they got close to the normal bubble on those occasions, but then again, they were paying less spots...so that moved the goalposts back. Like I said, I don"t recall any that ever made the money on Day 1.
You could also have shorter or split dinner breaks.
Shorter...no I don"t think so, have you seen the queues? Split breaks generally works but I"m not sure that this would save any time.
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Split dinner breaks will save around 30 minutes.
It"s reliant on the venue wanting to do it.
I would prefer that we did it at all venues, but sometimes for staffing reasons, they like to do a complete break.
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40 min Levels ...
... so roughly 14 levels on day 1 ... "saves" 70 mins ... plus potentially 30 mins on a split dinner break ... 100 mins ... 2.5 levels ... to the money on day 1?
Just floating the idea ... if logistics preclude it ... then fair play.
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APAT Structure in seasons 1-2 was a 40 minute clock, moved to 45 minutes. A very popular move for Season 3
Unikely we"d move to a shorter clock. Some changes to the structure around levels and antes are being worked on. Indeed I sent a new structure to my colleagues today, and they would lead to the money being achieved earlier than 4pm Sunday ish, all things being equal
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APAT Structure in seasons 1-2 was a 40 minute clock, moved to 45 minutes. A very popular move for Season 3
Unikely we"d move to a shorter clock. Some changes to the structure around levels and antes are being worked on. Indeed I sent a new structure to my colleagues today, and they would lead to the money being achieved earlier than 4pm Sunday ish, all things being equal
Tighty,
Most casinos are open by 12pm on a Sunday - what"s to stop APAT starting earlier on Day 2 which would help with finishing times? Maybe not 12pm...1pm?
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Can"t believe people are calling for a shorter clock - it"s not that long ago that the clamour was for longer levels.
The clock is fine, and if we could slow down the early level jumps (100/200 up to 150/300/a25) by repeating the 100/200 with antes, also adding the 500/1000 level back in, the structure would work perfectly well....... all it would take then to adjust the timings would be (significant) adjustments to the antes - which in turn would also take away a lot of the nittiness that tends to occur in these tournies.
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Can"t believe people are calling for a shorter clock - it"s not that long ago that the clamour was for longer levels.
The clock is fine, and if we could slow down the early level jumps (100/200 up to 150/300/a25) by repeating the 100/200 with antes, also adding the 500/1000 level back in, the structure would work perfectly well....... all it would take then to adjust the timings would be (significant) adjustments to the antes - which in turn would also take away a lot of the nittiness that tends to occur in these tournies.
The main thrust was to get to the money on day 1 - absolutely delighted to pump up the antes to do so.
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Can"t believe people are calling for a shorter clock - it"s not that long ago that the clamour was for longer levels.
The clock is fine, and if we could slow down the early level jumps (100/200 up to 150/300/a25) by repeating the 100/200 with antes, also adding the 500/1000 level back in, the structure would work perfectly well....... all it would take then to adjust the timings would be (significant) adjustments to the antes - which in turn would also take away a lot of the nittiness that tends to occur in these tournies.
The main thrust was to get to the money on day 1 - absolutely delighted to pump up the antes to do so.
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Obviously the main thrust was to get to the money on day 1 - whilst this would be nice, I really don"t think that it"s such an important concept that you should change everything else to achieve it.
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Obviously the main thrust was to get to the money on day 1 - whilst this would be nice, I really don"t think that it"s such an important concept that you should change everything else to achieve it.
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this.
Dont see any reason to change the clock really, not tooooo fussed about coming back the next day to go for the money (coming back to actually play day 2 would be nice atm) as some of us go for a full weekend away and will be staying 2nd night regardless :D
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Obviously the main thrust was to get to the money on day 1 - whilst this would be nice, I really don"t think that it"s such an important concept that you should change everything else to achieve it.
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this.
Dont see any reason to change the clock really, not tooooo fussed about coming back the next day to go for the money (coming back to actually play day 2 would be nice atm) as some of us go for a full weekend away and will be staying 2nd night regardless :D
that said though, just cos it works as it stands, doesn"t mean it can"t be improved. APAT tournies are fantastic value deep stacked poker, but unfortunately the latter stages are always very shovey and therefore the luck factor plays a bigger part than it should - my point is that if the antes were more expensive throughout, it would damage the shorter stacks earlier and force more play in the early to mid stages, thereby increasing the depth of stacks toward the latter stages, and leaving a little more play after the bubble bursts....
I might be getting this wrong, but it feels logical
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Obviously the main thrust was to get to the money on day 1 - whilst this would be nice, I really don"t think that it"s such an important concept that you should change everything else to achieve it.
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this.
Dont see any reason to change the clock really, not tooooo fussed about coming back the next day to go for the money (coming back to actually play day 2 would be nice atm) as some of us go for a full weekend away and will be staying 2nd night regardless :D
that said though, just cos it works as it stands, doesn"t mean it can"t be improved. APAT tournies are fantastic value deep stacked poker, but unfortunately the latter stages are always very shovey and therefore the luck factor plays a bigger part than it should - my point is that if the antes were more expensive throughout, it would damage the shorter stacks earlier and force more play in the early to mid stages, thereby increasing the depth of stacks toward the latter stages, and leaving a little more play after the bubble bursts....
I might be getting this wrong, but it feels logical
A point well made Steve IMO.
It was interesting though at Betfair Live at the weekend that whilst the levels were 40 mins and not 45, the ante"s were actually 10% of the small blind not the big blind and even when the money bubble burst to end day 1, the blinds were only 1200/2400/100. This still left just 26 players in the money and 144 out.
Whilst this would not get an APAT event to the money it did however leave alot more play than is sometimes the case on an APAT day 2, as the average was 65k which as memory serves is about the same give or take. I have noticed that many players that come back on an APAT day 2 go out very quickly as the blinds kill them.
Personally I"m happy either way but some ultra-fine tuning might be in order.
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... there were still two hours to play at Betfair Live so quite likely we would have got to the last 17 of 171 runners by 2am.
Interestingly even with 40 min levels they still didn"t get it finished until Midnight on Sunday!
I think increasing the antes is the better way to tweak the structure.
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Antes should be 20-25% of small blind for "agressive and good poker structures" according to some of the top pros whos blogs i have been reading this last year.
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Aside - the other part of the equation was if you get to the money at the end of day 1 - you could have a bigger "second chance" tournament on Sunday.
Are there logistics that preclude this?
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It would be nice to have a 2nd apat tourny, but most casinos have reg house games etc. Casinos are obv gonna be looking after themselves and the regular customers. They wouldnt want 10 tables taken up by us playing a juice free comp.
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It would be nice to have a 2nd apat tourny, but most casinos have reg house games etc. Casinos are obv gonna be looking after themselves and the regular customers. They wouldnt want 10 tables taken up by us playing a juice free comp.
APAT tournaments are juice free to the players... they are not (I think I"m right in saying) juice free to APAT/Sponsors.
The casino staff have to be paid for someone.
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... as a total aside ... S5 ... is there scope for a speed poker MTT??
10 seconds to act
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... as a total aside ... S5 ... is there scope for a speed poker MTT??
10 seconds to act
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Haha, what ze hell!!? Is there even such a thing as that? 10 pages of posts about perfecting the structure to give the best possible poker experience for the budget player then,,,...what about a tourny where it"s all over in about an hour or so?
Why are people in such a hurry these days. I blame telly.
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I love the live feed, but it can take something away from the Live Updates thread but I think that Luton proved that, with willing help, both can co-exist. Perhaps incentivising people to assist in one or the other might be beneficial. Overall, I"d hate to lose either.
Have to admit that I love to come home from an event and re read the updates. I am more than willing to help out at any event we attend, the problem is usually the venue"s wifi system, or lack of it.
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lol @ 10 seconds to act. Some of the idiots playing live take more than 10 seconds to realise its their turn to act.
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lol @ 10 seconds to act. Some of the idiots playing live take more than 10 seconds to realise its their turn to act.
lol!!
did anyone see the World Speed Poker Open a few years ago? 15 seconds to act - and a damned good game. Suited the internet players perfectly - but also showed that the big pro names who are generally dwellers were actually able to act and make decent decisions in a much shorter space of time.
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pretty sure i can still reach the wrong conclusion after 10 seconds as 2 mins.
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... as a total aside ... S5 ... is there scope for a speed poker MTT??
10 seconds to act
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The older you get, it is amazing what can happen in 10 secs
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... for example being killed by a grizzly bear!
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Ah yes.... When you get old, in 10 seconds you can...........................
.......................................................................Sorry, what was I on about? ::)
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30 seconds to act with a couple of 1 minute time bank chips would be awesome IMO.
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30 seconds to act with a couple of 1 minute time bank chips would be awesome IMO.
I think we"re slightly just a tad getting away from what"s reasonably practicable given APAT's budget and resources, and that it"s probably not possible to do this live anyway.
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APAT Structure in seasons 1-2 was a 40 minute clock, moved to 45 minutes. A very popular move for Season 3
Unikely we"d move to a shorter clock. Some changes to the structure around levels and antes are being worked on. Indeed I sent a new structure to my colleagues today, and they would lead to the money being achieved earlier than 4pm Sunday ish, all things being equal
Aside - was there any noticeable difference in the play?
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Off the current topic, not sure if the question has been asked already. Are there any plans in place to deliver the APAT Magazine again in Season 5. The first issue was a great delivery but sadly no further issues were seen.
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APAT Structure in seasons 1-2 was a 40 minute clock, moved to 45 minutes. A very popular move for Season 3
Unikely we"d move to a shorter clock. Some changes to the structure around levels and antes are being worked on. Indeed I sent a new structure to my colleagues today, and they would lead to the money being achieved earlier than 4pm Sunday ish, all things being equal
Aside - was there any noticeable difference in the play?
Not especially. In both structures the same pinch points...post dinner day 1, last two levels of day 1, final level pre final were seen
Completely standard
Got a few tricks up our sleeve for season 5 though that will need some adapting in play to be successful in APATs.
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Got a few tricks up our sleeve for season 5 though that will need some adapting in play to be successful in APATs.
hmmmm we only get one card to look at, and the other is stuck to our forehead?
Tighty decides the rules before each hand is dealt?
Tighty MTTs ftw!!
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Off the current topic, not sure if the question has been asked already. Are there any plans in place to deliver the APAT Magazine again in Season 5. The first issue was a great delivery but sadly no further issues were seen.
I would love to do this again. There was quite a big time committment to produce, but definitely one or two a season should be the target.
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Got a few tricks up our sleeve for season 5 though that will need some adapting in play to be successful in APATs.
hmmmm we only get one card to look at, and the other is stuck to our forehead?
Tighty decides the rules before each hand is dealt?
Tighty MTTs ftw!!
One of my ambitions for the upcoming season is to take part in a Tighty Sit and Go. I"ve heard the legends but have yet to experience it first hand!
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Got a few tricks up our sleeve for season 5 though that will need some adapting in play to be successful in APATs.
hmmmm we only get one card to look at, and the other is stuck to our forehead?
Tighty decides the rules before each hand is dealt?
Tighty MTTs ftw!!
One of my ambitions for the upcoming season is to take part in a Tighty Sit and Go. I"ve heard the legends but have yet to experience it first hand!
It"s a case of crossing his palm with silver.
And then whilst you play the Sit and Go, he will also predict your poker future for you. Not bad ?
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Any chance of having a tournament where we don"t have a long journey?
London has been the only one anywhere near the South and that is halfway to the Midlands from here anyway.
Or compromise with a second one in London instead of going to some no-mans-land like Walsall or Bolton.
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Any chance of having a tournament where we don"t have a long journey?
London has been the only one anywhere near the South and that is halfway to the Midlands from here anyway.
Or compromise with a second one in London instead of going to some no-mans-land like Walsall or Bolton.
All you have to do is find the venue and suggest it to Richard or Leigh. Then again, I seem to recall that this has come up before and there wasn"t one willing &/or able to host it.
Either way, wherever events are held there will be long journey for someone. I don"t imagine our Scottish / Irish / Welsh/ N.England members are too enthused about London.
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G Casino Brighton...
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30 seconds to act with a couple of 1 minute time bank chips would be awesome IMO.
I think we"re slightly just a tad getting away from what"s reasonably practicable given APAT's budget and resources, and that it"s probably not possible to do this live anyway.
It"s very possible. Simple tourney timer on each table. Dealer hits the button after a few seconds if player doesn"t act. Two custom chips per player that they throw into the middle then the dealer adds an extra 1 minute to the timer. Not suggesting we use it for every event (although that would be my personal preference), but there could be a speed event at the Worlds.
Believe they did it for the Aussie Millions High Roller event this year.
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All you have to do is find the venue and suggest it to Richard or Leigh.
They are well aware of most of the venues in the South; The Rendevouz, Gunwharf Grosvenor & G Brighton being the most likely.
Probably not aware of Shuffles: http://www.shufflesportsmouth.com/card_room.php or The Phoenix http://thephoenixclub.co.uk/schedule.html. Both entirely dealer-dealt.
Either way, wherever events are held there will be long journey for someone.
And?
How does that mean that the South should always travel to the North/Mids, but never the other way round?
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30 seconds to act with a couple of 1 minute time bank chips would be awesome IMO.
I think we"re slightly just a tad getting away from what"s reasonably practicable given APAT's budget and resources, and that it"s probably not possible to do this live anyway.
Believe they did it for the Aussie Millions High Roller event this year.
Similar to APAT
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They are well aware of most of the venues in the South; The Rendevouz, Gunwharf Grosvenor & G Brighton being the most likely.
Probably not aware of Shuffles: http://www.shufflesportsmouth.com/card_room.php or The Phoenix http://thephoenixclub.co.uk/schedule.html. Both entirely dealer-dealt.
If they are aware then, I would assume that, they have been approached and been turned away for, quite possibly, a variety of reasons.
Does that mean that the South should always travel to the North/Mids, but never the other way round?
Like I said, if the Deep South was an option, I would guess that Des/Richard have tried and we"d be there by now. Of course, perhaps they"ve pulled a rabbit out of the hat for S5...but on previous evidence, I doubt it.
And so the answer to your question is...YES. Sucks, but there it is.
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All you have to do is find the venue and suggest it to Richard or Leigh.
They are well aware of most of the venues in the South; The Rendevouz, Gunwharf Grosvenor & G Brighton being the most likely.
Probably not aware of Shuffles: http://www.shufflesportsmouth.com/card_room.php or The Phoenix http://thephoenixclub.co.uk/schedule.html. Both entirely dealer-dealt.
Either way, wherever events are held there will be long journey for someone.
And?
How does that mean that the South should always travel to the North/Mids, but never the other way round?
Southern venues v difficult. Rendezvous Brighton don"t want us at a price we will pay, and the Casino GM doesn"t want us. G Brighton is a tricky venue. Portsmouth"s room was too small last time I looked
Take a line South of the M4 London/Bristol corridor and it isn"t easy.
We have some established venues, a few old favourites returning and a couple of new ones in the proposed schedule. Something to enhthuse everyone I hope
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And, on a final point, I don"t know about the additional venues that you linked to but it"s an APAT requirement that the venues are fully and appropriately licensed.
Another factor to throw in.
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And, on a final point, I don"t know about the additional venues that you linked to but it"s an APAT requirement that the venues are fully and appropriately licensed.
Another factor to throw in.
even if a venue is licenced etc we need to have comfort that they can manage everything with us, efficiently. From capacity, to food, to TD, to dealers, to cashier to disabled access, parking etc
In essence, a venue needs to be an experienced provider of the services needed to put on poker events for third parties.
We can go to new places, but I don"t particularly want to take huge risks with APAT events and risk the player experience . In general less risk = the known providers. Although experience is no guarantee of avoiding cock ups (no names mentioned), it"s generally our policy to use established venues
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We have some established venues, a few old favourites returning and a couple of new ones in the proposed schedule. Something to enthuse everyone I hope
I can"t wait...perhaps I should get a ticker for the countdown..if someone (cough) was to let me know the announcement date! ;D
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They are well aware of most of the venues in the South; The Rendevouz, Gunwharf Grosvenor & G Brighton being the most likely.
Probably not aware of Shuffles: http://www.shufflesportsmouth.com/card_room.php or The Phoenix http://thephoenixclub.co.uk/schedule.html. Both entirely dealer-dealt.
If they are aware then, I would assume that, they have been approached and been turned away for, quite possibly, a variety of reasons.
Does that mean that the South should always travel to the North/Mids, but never the other way round?
Like I said, if the Deep South was an option, I would guess that Des/Richard have tried and we"d be there by now. Of course, perhaps they"ve pulled a rabbit out of the hat for S5...but on previous evidence, I doubt it.
And so the answer to your question is...YES. Sucks, but there it is.
What is the point of assuming and guessing? I"d rather wait for the people who know the answers.
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We have some established venues, a few old favourites returning and a couple of new ones in the proposed schedule. Something to enthuse everyone I hope
I can"t wait...perhaps I should get a ticker for the countdown..if someone (cough) was to let me know the announcement date! ;D
Good idea. If someone tells you, be sure to let Rich and I know aswell.
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What is the point of assuming and guessing? I"d rather wait for the people who know the answers.
Was I wrong?
Those were "informed" assumptions and guesses from conversations with the people who do know....but...whatever!
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30 seconds to act with a couple of 1 minute time bank chips would be awesome IMO.
I think we"re slightly just a tad getting away from what"s reasonably practicable given APAT's budget and resources, and that it"s probably not possible to do this live anyway.
Believe they did it for the Aussie Millions High Roller event this year.
Similar to APAT
What"s your point? The buy-in is higher, but doesn"t APAT try to replicate good tournaments at an affordable buy-in?
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30 seconds to act with a couple of 1 minute time bank chips would be awesome IMO.
I think we"re slightly just a tad getting away from what"s reasonably practicable given APAT's budget and resources, and that it"s probably not possible to do this live anyway.
Believe they did it for the Aussie Millions High Roller event this year.
Similar to APAT
What"s your point? The buy-in is higher, but doesn"t APAT try to replicate good tournaments at an affordable buy-in?
Just don"t think it"s realistic for APAT to do this format justice given the restraints they have to work under. Think the timing part of speed poker in an MTT with dealers who are not even necessarily poker dealers would be a lot harder in practice than it might seem in theory. Aussie Millions have professionals with professional set ups and much much larger budgets.
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Any chance of having a tournament where we don"t have a long journey?
London has been the only one anywhere near the South and that is halfway to the Midlands from here anyway.
Or compromise with a second one in London instead of going to some no-mans-land like Walsall or Bolton.
All you have to do is find the venue and suggest it to Richard or Leigh. Then again, I seem to recall that this has come up before and there wasn"t one willing &/or able to host it.
Either way, wherever events are held there will be long journey for someone. I don"t imagine our Scottish / Irish / Welsh/ N.England members are too enthused about London.
Thats one of the problems living in an area where if you go South, you get wet!!!!
Perhaps you should relocate to the sunny Midlands, then your travelling could include south as well?
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doesn"t APAT try to replicate good tournaments at an affordable buy-in?
...and who says it"s a "good" thing?
I don"t.
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Tell the truth Tighty, Brighton don"t want to see APAT ever again after Scottish pissheads of Season 2.
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Tell the truth Tighty, Brighton don"t want to see APAT ever again after Scottish pissheads of Season 2.
Do the Scots drink a lot then?
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I don"t know about the additional venues that you linked to but it"s an APAT requirement that the venues are fully and appropriately licensed.
even if a venue is licenced etc we need to have comfort that they can manage everything with us, efficiently. From capacity, to food, to TD, to dealers, to cashier to disabled access, parking etc
In essence, a venue needs to be an experienced provider of the services needed to put on poker events for third parties.
Just for the record, they are both licensed. They have both held Regional / National events for LPPL or Nuts pub leagues, who probably put away more booze than happens at APAT events (no offence intended). Shuffles would probably hold 150, Phoenix 200. They are not casinos, so no other attractions, except the cash tables and the bar. Oh, and both have half a dozen computers with online poker and free internet, pool, free snooker, heads-up machines.......
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Just for the record, they are both licensed.
They are not casinos.
I think you may have misunderstood...they have to have a Casino Licence...from what you said, it sounds like they don"t...or perhaps I"m the one who"s misunderstood.
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Just for the record, they are both licensed.
They are not casinos.
I think you may have misunderstood...they have to have a Casino Licence...from what you said, it sounds like they don"t...or perhaps I"m the one who"s misunderstood.
That"s the key factor.
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Just for the record, they are both licensed.
They are not casinos.
I think you may have misunderstood...they have to have a Casino Licence...from what you said, it sounds like they don"t...or perhaps I"m the one who"s misunderstood.
Didn"t know that. Why?
I know they have some kind of licence to hold poker tournaments cos the owner of one of them was talking about it, but don"t know the details. How do hotel tournaments work then? Oh, and that reminds me, any idea what happened re the idea of APAT moving out of casinos into hotels, or is that dead?
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I think you may have misunderstood...they have to have a Casino Licence
How do hotel tournaments work then?
Oh, and that reminds me, any idea what happened re the idea of APAT moving out of casinos into hotels, or is that dead?
I checked this with Tighty some time ago and to do this the organisation (APAT/EPT etc) has to have something called a "travelling licence" (I think). It"s not cheap and, IIRC, it would also involve APAT in having their own tables, chips, TD etc. etc. all of which would have to be transported to and from venues and stored in between.
Not an economic proposition.
As for why the venues have to hold a casino licence, AFAIK, if they don"t then there is strong likelihood of the tournament contravening the Gambling Act due to the stakes involved. DTD spent £1m or so just to get a full casino licence because (at the time) there was no such thing as a full poker licence.
Some of the above is pretty broad and quite possibly out of date but if you have a delve round the Gambling Commission (http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/) website I think you"ll be quite surprised at how much of what is going on in Poker Clubs is skirting the legislation.
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Is it just me that gets excited every time a new post comes up on this thread..... And then unhappy because it"s not a post about the new season confirmed dates ??? :P
Oh well, as they say in the forum world:
B U M P ;D
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yeah, it"s just you ;)
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Today I mapped out all the projects I have lined up for 2011/2012. These are set into a notes database accessible by me only. I get asked frequently for definative dates to be published. I say "still in the planning stage and a few details to finalise and I will publish the dates". (Notice I never say "soon")
I can only say this for so long before I get a slap ::)
The reason I won"t publish the dates is of course the imminent announcement of Season 5, due end of Feb. When Season 5 is announced the 2011/2012 project tasks and milestones will mysteriously change and they will get published. Sometimes it"s good to be the Projects Manager. ;D
Now all I need is for the APAT powers that be to put fingers to keys and get the season schedule up on the site. It might save me from getting a slap.
(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/082/a/f/af0357e8deb71ff141e1442aafde6d99.gif)
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I really hope you don"t get that slap when it could have been avoided.
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ok, a couple of questions which in theory should be easy to answer.
1. How soon is soon?
If we were "likely" to have an announcement by the end of the month.
2. How likely is likely?
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ok, a couple of questions which in theory should be easy to answer.
1. How soon is soon?
If we were "likely" to have an announcement by the end of the month.
2. How likely is likely?
1 Very soon
2 Very likely (Give or take a day or two)
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Is it just me that gets excited every time a new post comes up on this thread..... And then unhappy because it"s not a post about the new season confirmed dates ??? :P
Oh well, as they say in the forum world:
B U M P ;D
No, I do that too...esp when its Tighty, Chip or Des having the last post!
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If you don"t follow APAT on twitter, why not join whilst you wait for the Season 5 Announcement. ;)
APAT_poker on Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/APAT_poker)
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I have the last post
Cue mass excitement
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No you don"t :P
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ok, a couple of questions which in theory should be easy to answer.
1. How soon is soon?
If we were "likely" to have an announcement by the end of the month.
2. How likely is likely?
1 Very soon
2 Very likely (Give or take a day or two)
Nearly got very excited for a minute. Then I thought back to previous seasons.
Hmm.
I reckon May ;D
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or Maybe not.
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or Maybe not.
Stop putting the last post up!!!!!! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
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Why?
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If you don"t follow APAT on twitter, why not join whilst you wait for the Season 5 Announcement. ;)
APAT_poker on Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/APAT_poker)
will the annoucement by on there first!!?? ::)
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Just to say please please please let us have season 5 NOW :"( :"( :"(
come on Apat be a sport LOL ;)
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If you don"t follow APAT on twitter, why not join whilst you wait for the Season 5 Announcement. ;)
APAT_poker on Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/APAT_poker)
will the annoucement by on there first!!?? ::)
last, as Leigh and I have the password, not Des :D
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I have a huge personally annoucement that I"m also waiting for, I"ll know that one exactly at 00.30am on Tuesday
Will I know about this huge annoucement before or after that..I"m not sure I can stomach much more!!
and why can"t APAT be as precise! ;)
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If you don"t follow APAT on twitter, why not join whilst you wait for the Season 5 Announcement. ;)
APAT_poker on Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/APAT_poker)
Now following on twitter.
*taps fingers on desk whilst waiting*
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can"t be doing with all that Twitter stuff.
Got to be announced on here first surely ;D
Just a thought but tomorrow is officially the end of February. Tuesday is March so I reckon tomorrow is Announcement Day!
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can"t be doing with all that Twitter stuff.
Got to be announced on here first surely ;D
Just a thought but tomorrow is officially the end of February. Tuesday is March so I reckon tomorrow is Announcement Day!
Just love your optimism ;D
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Tomorrow is too early, sorry
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Tomorrow is too early, sorry
:"( :"( :"(
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Ian Fleming"s James Bond is 007
in
Tomorrow is Too Early, sorry
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Oliver Reed, Susan George, Raymond Burr and John Ireland starred in the 1978 film......
"Tomorrow Never Comes" ;D
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can"t we just have the date of the first one for now, so we can book days off work - pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese
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can"t we just have the date of the first one for now, so we can book days off work - pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese
I"d be happy with a date for the announcement.
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Maybe a date of the annoucement and a countdown clock just to add to the excitement, would be wonderful to see 100s of people on the forum waiting with baited breath as those final seconds tick away :)
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Oh and one more thing, would really think it would be cool that we could have banners available for webmasters prior to the season start so that we can promote APAT on our respective sites and blogs :)
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Maybe a date of the annoucement and a countdown clock just to add to the excitement, would be wonderful to see 100s of people on the forum waiting with baited breath as those final seconds tick away :)
countdown clock for the annoucement of the date
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It"s going to be later in the week before we put the announcement out folks, we"re still finalising details. Sorry for the delay.
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It"s going to be later in the week before we put the announcement out folks, we"re still finalising details. Sorry for the delay.
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Hey I am kind of new to this forum,
I know that the current season has not finished yet and it has two more events.
But....I was wondering if anyone can give me a rough estimate of when Season 5 will be announced?
Thanks
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March 2011 is my guesstimate
All you will get from Admin is the now classic
"soon"
I run good. Do I win a prize??
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It"s going to be later in the week before we put the announcement out folks, we"re still finalising details. Sorry for the delay.
an update is an update! :)
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100s of people on the forum waiting with baited breath
Are they the ones with worms hanging out of their mouths?
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100s of people on the forum waiting with baited breath
Are they the ones with worms hanging out of their mouths?
Only if I have my hook and line through the worms mate :D lol
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Could be good to have a mini-online series in the off-season next year. A good way to fill the gap without the same level of organisation and work required.
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It"s going to be later in the week before we put the announcement out folks, we"re still finalising details. Sorry for the delay.
Love the fact you haven"t actually stated which week Des ;)
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Are you still taking suggestions? Meant to say this before but then, you know. Anyway, it is this - Don"t make it impossible for players who are picked for the international sides to become Player of the Series, be awarded a WSOPE seat, finish 4th and win £40k.
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I've got a feeling that tonight's the night
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I've got a feeling that tonight's the night
I"m assuming when the times comes, we"ll get notifed first of a time and day when it will be announced, so people are aware beforehand to ensure they are logged on at that time?
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I've got a feeling that tonight's the night
I"m assuming when the times comes, we"ll get notifed first of a time and day when it will be announced, so people are aware beforehand to ensure they are logged on at that time?
err, why? ???
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You won"t be notified
It won"t be today either
Still waiting for
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It"s going to be later in the week before we put the announcement out folks, we"re still finalising details. Sorry for the delay.
ummmmmmmmm - when does the week end please?
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Are you still taking suggestions? Meant to say this before but then, you know. Anyway, it is this - Don"t make it impossible for players who are picked for the international sides to become Player of the Series, be awarded a WSOPE seat, finish 4th and win £40k.
It"s not impossible....you get to choose, play for your country or score more points. One or t"other.
All the points scoring events are open fields...the country events aren"t. Seems fair to me.
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It won"t be today either.
I"m excited either way....
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Are you still taking suggestions? Meant to say this before but then, you know. Anyway, it is this - Don"t make it impossible for players who are picked for the international sides to become Player of the Series, be awarded a WSOPE seat, finish 4th and win £40k.
It"s not impossible....you get to choose, play for your country or score more points. One or t"other.
All the points scoring events are open fields...the country events aren"t. Seems fair to me.
I really dont agree with this at all. Just because u get selected for your country does not mean you shud not be able to compete for Player Of The Series (which is potentially more valuable...remember the team even is played for pride rather than £ which is relatively low). The point scoring events are not fully open in that people that play for their countries are not allowed to enter them.
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I've got a feeling that tonight's the night
I"m assuming when the times comes, we"ll get notifed first of a time and day when it will be announced, so people are aware beforehand to ensure they are logged on at that time?
err, why? ???
no other reason than a more captive audience. Not everyone comes on here everyday, so may miss the annoucement on the day. I, again assume, most people would like to know as soon as its announced - so if a day time was known, they can indded make sure they are here at that time.
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It"s going to be later in the week before we put the announcement out folks, we"re still finalising details. Sorry for the delay.
It won"t be today
So - given that the week ends on Sunday, it will either be tomorrow, Saturday, or Sunday....... there ya go Waz - notified! :)
LOL - noted!
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Are you still taking suggestions? Meant to say this before but then, you know. Anyway, it is this - Don"t make it impossible for players who are picked for the international sides to become Player of the Series, be awarded a WSOPE seat, finish 4th and win £40k.
It"s not impossible....you get to choose, play for your country or score more points. One or t"other.
Technically you are correct Paulie but lets be honest, is there a chance that you are manipulating this to add credence to your point. It is both suprising and disappointing to hear someone I had pegged as a devout Patriot make such a treasonous suggestion!
Maybe I have it wrong though. If the honour of selection to represent England is bestowed on you this season, would you consider you had a realistic choice and hence, a decision to make?
All the points scoring events are open fields...the country events aren"t. Seems fair to me.
"Points scoring events" and "Country events" are both open, you are free to apply for entry but not guaranteed a seat. Chances of success are a different matter of course and vary widely from event to event and Country to Country.
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I really dont agree with this at all. Just because u get selected for your country does not mean you shud not be able to compete for Player Of The Series (which is potentially more valuable...remember the team even is played for pride rather than £ which is relatively low). The point scoring events are not fully open in that people that play for their countries are not allowed to enter them.
The S4 point scoring events WERE fully open as one could, if one was really serious about it, decline the honour of such representation and enter. The price one pays for being selected is that you cannot score POTS points in events that are run at the same time.
Being selected to represent one"s country is, of course, an honour and one plays for pride in the knowledge that it may disadvantage you in the POTS standings.
As a "devout Patriot", I would, of course, be happy to make that sacrifice.
If points were scored for representing your country then you are disadvantaging all the other players in the Series as they CANNOT score points for those events.
Being "unfair" to the least number, if you like, is the best option of the two that were available in S4.
Ideally, of course, the World Team events would be held at a different time to the APAT World Champs Series which would solve the whole problem.
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Of course people would rather represent their country, I do not think there is any disputing that, but I dnt see how a compromise cant be found. Why do we have to be "unfair" to anyone. Even if the players lucky enough to be selected for their countries were allowed to reg and blind out of other events, such as stud, horse, etc it would still be a way to allow them a shot at poty. Obviously it is not ideal, but it seems a fairer approach.
Winning the Team Champs is about pride, in that no-one is playing for the money. It would be nice to have further opportunities to break even on what can be a very expensive long weekend.
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I've got a feeling that tonight's the night
I"m assuming when the times comes, we"ll get notifed first of a time and day when it will be announced, so people are aware beforehand to ensure they are logged on at that time?
err, why? ???
no other reason than a more captive audience. Not everyone comes on here everyday, so may miss the annoucement on the day. I, again assume, most people would like to know as soon as its announced - so if a day time was known, they can indded make sure they are here at that time.
what"s the difference between reading about it the minute is announced compared to reading it the next day or the next week?
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It doesn"t matter when you read it, you"ll still think
"Really ? Why did that take so long to get together then ?" ;)
Hope we don"t have an expectation gap that needs filling somehow. :o
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Are you still taking suggestions? Meant to say this before but then, you know. Anyway, it is this - Don"t make it impossible for players who are picked for the international sides to become Player of the Series, be awarded a WSOPE seat, finish 4th and win £40k.
It"s not impossible....you get to choose, play for your country or score more points. One or t"other.
Technically you are correct Paulie but lets be honest, is there a chance that you are manipulating this to add credence to your point. It is both suprising and disappointing to hear someone I had pegged as a devout Patriot make such a treasonous suggestion!
Maybe I have it wrong though. If the honour of selection to represent England is bestowed on you this season, would you consider you had a realistic choice and hence, a decision to make?
All the points scoring events are open fields...the country events aren"t. Seems fair to me.
"Points scoring events" and "Country events" are both open, you are free to apply for entry but not guaranteed a seat. Chances of success are a different matter of course and vary widely from event to event and Country to Country.
You don"t apply for an entry with the points scoring events though - you just buy a seat. You can"t just buy a seat in the "country events", that"s why they"re not open.
I think it"s right that everybody should have a chance to score points for the player of the series, but realistically the only way I can see of doing that is if there are no clashes.
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It wasn"t an issue for Seasons 1,2,3
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It wasn"t an issue for Seasons 1,2,3
That"s because S4 was the first time it was held at the same time as the DTD APAT Worlds.
I"m hoping that it will be moved to the end of S5, perhaps to be part of a whole "Team" Festival along with the Forum Team event.
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I've got a feeling that tonight's the night
I"m assuming when the times comes, we"ll get notifed first of a time and day when it will be announced, so people are aware beforehand to ensure they are logged on at that time?
err, why? ???
no other reason than a more captive audience. Not everyone comes on here everyday, so may miss the annoucement on the day. I, again assume, most people would like to know as soon as its announced - so if a day time was known, they can indded make sure they are here at that time.
what"s the difference between reading about it the minute is announced compared to reading it the next day or the next week?
none wotsoever for some, but for me, and maybe others, I can"t wait to find out and I"d like to know as soon as it happens.. :)
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+1 LOL
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You don"t apply for an entry with the points scoring events though - you just buy a seat. You can"t just buy a seat in the "country events", that"s why they"re not open.
Most events are oversubscribed John so not everybody that wants to play gets to play. There are different entry criteria for sure but pedantics aside, both event types are open to all members. Some seats are obviously less achievable but that applies across the whole spectrum of "Country" / "Points scoring" Events, for bigger nation teams its naturally tougher to win a seat likewise for the Smaller field events.
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You don"t apply for an entry with the points scoring events though - you just buy a seat. You can"t just buy a seat in the "country events", that"s why they"re not open.
Most events are oversubscribed John so not everybody that wants to play gets to play. There are different entry criteria for sure but pedantics aside, both event types are open to all members. Some seats are obviously less achievable but that applies across the whole spectrum of "Country" / "Points scoring" Events, for bigger nation teams its naturally tougher to win a seat likewise for the Smaller field events.
Not getting a seat doesn"t mean it"s not open - not being able to choose for yourself means it"s not open.
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To get the best chance of winning player of the series is surely to ensure Paul Pitchford gets made captain of a team.
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Not getting a seat doesn"t mean it"s not open - not being able to choose for yourself means it"s not open.
QFT
Precisely my point...TY
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Not getting a seat doesn"t mean it"s not open - not being able to choose for yourself means it"s not open.
QFT
Precisely my point...TY
Pedantic imho.
For "Not getting a seat doesn"t mean it"s not open" read "Not getting selected doesn"t mean it"s not open"
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Not getting a seat doesn"t mean it"s not open - not being able to choose for yourself means it"s not open.
QFT
Precisely my point...TY
Pedantic imho.
For "Not getting a seat doesn"t mean it"s not open" read "Not getting selected doesn"t mean it"s not open"
It"s not pedantic at all, it"s just the meaning of the word as opposed to deciding for yourself what it should mean.*
*labouring the point in this post may be a little bit stubborn though.
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Not getting a seat doesn"t mean it"s not open - not being able to choose for yourself means it"s not open.
QFT
Precisely my point...TY
Pedantic imho.
For "Not getting a seat doesn"t mean it"s not open" read "Not getting selected doesn"t mean it"s not open"
It"s not pedantic at all, it"s just the meaning of the word as opposed to deciding for yourself what it should mean.*
*labouring the point in this post may be a little bit stubborn though.
Oh God, is it to late to withdraw my OP on this subject?
Anyway, it was impossible to do both last year, whatever the defender of all things related to APAT may say.
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I"ve got a feeling that tonight"s the night
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;D
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BOOOO
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;D
Few things make me chortle as much as that did. :)
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Des can you pleeeeese stop posting on this thread until you have some news. I got all excited then! ;D
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Des can you pleeeeese stop posting on this thread until you have some news. I got all excited then! ;D
Second that... I thought it was shortly after soon... and all would be revealed.... you"re such a tease Des!!
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I have heard a whisper, which could be totally wrong, that the 1st one is Coventry and it is soon................. :"(
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I have heard a whisper, which could be totally wrong, that the 1st one is Coventry and it is soon................. :"(
I always assumed it would be in Wales...but who knows?
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Well, I hope they hurry up because it will soon be too late for me to book time off work!! :(
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Daddy....are we there yet!?
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Daddy....are we there yet!?
::)
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ready now...........?
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Well, I hope they hurry up because it will soon be too late for me to book time off work!! :(
Ditto, that"s what I"m worrying about. Even the date of the first one would be good pleeeeese.
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Well, I hope they hurry up because it will soon be too late for me to book time off work!! :(
Ditto, that"s what I"m worrying about. Even the date of the first one would be good pleeeeese.
A safe assumption would be a Saturday late in March and there"s only two of them.
Book both Fridays and cancel the wrong one later....simples.
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We"re equally frustrated. I would be planning for 26/27 of this month in the midlands. This will be the "100m" of seasonal launches when it arrives...
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We"re equally frustrated. I would be planning for 26/27 of this month in the midlands. This will be the "100m" of seasonal launches when it arrives...
Look....a clue!
Wait...where"s Coventry again?
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Well, I hope they hurry up because it will soon be too late for me to book time off work!! :(
Ditto, that"s what I"m worrying about. Even the date of the first one would be good pleeeeese.
+1 some of us have to book time off from work LOl
come on apat have a heart
PLEASE
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We"re equally frustrated. I would be planning for 26/27 of this month in the midlands. This will be the "100m" of seasonal launches when it arrives...
For good measure...
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... are you running some sort of "Pro League" this year ...
One of the problems with it last year was the lack of notice ...
L
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... are you running some sort of "Pro League" this year ...
One of the problems with it last year was the lack of notice ...
L
Sorry this isn"t PokiLeaks... ;)
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We"re equally frustrated. I would be planning for 26/27 of this month in the midlands. This will be the "100m" of seasonal launches when it arrives...
ooohhh...cool, thank-you for the lil teaser! That is my birthday weekend, with it being on the 30th.
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We"re equally frustrated. I would be planning for 26/27 of this month in the midlands. This will be the "100m" of seasonal launches when it arrives...
For good measure...
Ahhhhh nuts im in Bruges that weekend for my birthday :( Looks like I"ll be missing out on the first one :"(
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... are you running some sort of "Pro League" this year ...
One of the problems with it last year was the lack of notice ...
L
Sorry this isn"t PokiLeaks... ;)
Feels like PokiLeaks ... Err um ... Coventy WINK WINK ... 26/27th ... L
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Feels like PokiLeaks ... Err um ... Coventy WINK WINK ... 26/27th ... L
To be fair, Des hasn"t said Coventry.
I"m only guessing.
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... are you running some sort of "Pro League" this year ...
One of the problems with it last year was the lack of notice ...
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Sorry this isn"t PokiLeaks... ;)
Feels like PokiLeaks ... Err um ... Coventy WINK WINK ... 26/27th ... L
That little "s" on the end is important Louis!
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The emoticon might be a double agent ... :-\
I will wait patiently for it to be in Coventry on the 26/27th ...
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Feels like PokiLeaks ... Err um ... Coventy WINK WINK ... 26/27th ... L
To be fair, Des hasn"t said Coventry.
I"m only guessing.
I can confirm the G Casino in Coventry will be the venue for the first event of the Season.
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The crowd go wild ... :o
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more and more people watching this thread..... :D
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What"s going on here then ?
Lots of people about for a Friday night.
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... are you running some sort of "Pro League" this year ...
One of the problems with it last year was the lack of notice ...
L
Another was the lack of players
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my message just disappeared!
I know this is pushing my luck but can we pleeeeese just know if 26/27 is definitely the date. That"s my weekend to work and I have to arrange cover. Pleeeeeese ;D
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The crowd is hungry for more ...
Give us Barabus
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What"s that you said, the Midlands? Quelle surprise!
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my message just disappeared!
I know this is pushing my luck but can we pleeeeese just know if 26/27 is definitely the date. That"s my weekend to work and I have to arrange cover. Pleeeeeese ;D
I think you can be fairly confident that we know that much. I accept it might not always be obvious!
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my message just disappeared!
I know this is pushing my luck but can we pleeeeese just know if 26/27 is definitely the date. That"s my weekend to work and I have to arrange cover. Pleeeeeese ;D
I think you can be fairly confident that we know that much. I accept it might not always be obvious!
Thanks Des. I"m happy now, will sit and wait quietly for the Big Announcement ;D
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I can confirm the G Casino in Coventry will be the venue for the first event of the Season.
Careful...you mean WOULD be, once the nod is given....No?
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Shhhh...it"s a surprise...and..No....not from what I think I know...but you might be close
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I can confirm the G Casino in Coventry will be the venue for the first event of the Season.
Careful...you mean WOULD be, once the nod is given....No?
No, he means will be. ;)
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No, he means will be. ;)
Damn...I nearly dropped my pint
Now...to resurrect the Coventry Travel Tips thingy!
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... are you running some sort of "Pro League" this year ...
One of the problems with it last year was the lack of notice ...
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Another was the lack of players
Indeed - but the first event was in Swansea - with little notice - and if you missed that the £20k package was much less likely ... hence numbers which may have swollen ... dwindled ... imo ... L
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No, he means will be. ;)
Damn...I nearly dropped my pint
Now...to resurrect the Coventry Travel Tips thingy!
Not that I"m jumping the gun either, or trying to steal ur role...but Coventry F.C aren"t at home, and the DeVere Hotel at the ricoh, you can"t book in on a Saturday.
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d the DeVere Hotel at the ricoh, you can"t book in on a Saturday.
I haven"t checked but I think you might be wrong about that...but then again.....
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No, he means will be. ;)
Damn...I nearly dropped my pint
Now...to resurrect the Coventry Travel Tips thingy!
Not that I"m jumping the gun either, or trying to steal ur role...but Coventry F.C aren"t at home, and the DeVere Hotel at the ricoh, you can"t book in on a Saturday.
I may have been a wee bit inebriated but I am certain I was there 8)
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I was there and I booked in on the Saturday for one night and so did someone else I know. No problem whatsoever.
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It"s a pretty weak hotel if you cannot book it on a Saturday night ...
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This could be fun. S5 announcement in 23 stages
To confirm G Casino Coventry 26-27 March, 150 capacity
The Ricoh arena hotel has space, ring up. Website says no, phone says yes
There will be a Sunday afternoon side event, Omaha High.
Rest to follow in due course, but really we had to get this one out as time was simply running too short to allow people notice.
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?? I have just tried it and it told me no
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Website says no, phone says yes
Explains that then.. TY.
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This could be fun. S5 announcement in 23 stages
To confirm G Casino Coventry 26-27 March, 150 capacity
The Ricoh arena hotel has space, ring up. Website says no, phone says yes
There will be a Sunday afternoon side event, Omaha High.
Rest to follow in due course, but really we had to get this one out as time was simply running too short to allow people notice.
So does this mean - no "Pro League-esque" event in Coventry?
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So does this mean - no "Pro League-esque" event in Coventry?
L
A pretty safe assumption IMO
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So does this mean - no "Pro League-esque" event in Coventry?
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A pretty safe assumption IMO
Correct.
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OK...I"ve jumped the gun.
EARLY TRAVEL TIP
Holiday Inn M6 Jct 2
Friday & Saturday nights....£29 pn /£39pn inc. brekky.
Sunday...more
Booked.
If I don"t get a seat, I"ll give the update team a hand...job done.
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Would it be safe to assume that soon there could be an announcement about the possibility of there being Betfair satellites due to take place very shortly for an as yet unnamed APAT event in Coventry at the end of this month??
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I"ve jumped the gun too.... by moving there 15 years ago.
Sweet news. I"ll get my best binking pants on for the qualifiers (assuming there"ll be some?)
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So I presume there will be the usual sats on Betfair? Buyin the same as S4?
Thanks for the Info so far.
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Would it be safe to assume that soon there could be an announcement about the possibility of there being Betfair satellites due to take place very shortly for an as yet unnamed APAT event in Coventry at the end of this month??
It"s possible, I suppose...but the time frame is very tight....and, on past experience, Betfair aren"t necessarily that efficient.
Even the direct buy-in needs a week"s lead in time...so, I"d go with a NO on this particular one...until advised to the contrary.
But...I know nothing.
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It"s possible, I suppose...but the time frame is very tight....and, on past experience, Betfair aren"t necessarily that efficient.
Even the direct buy-in needs a week"s lead in time...so, I"d go with a NO on this particular one...until advised to the contrary.
But...I know nothing.
Hmmm... I"m taking that as a probable almost definite NO to sats for March event in Coventry. Rather than a possibilty of sats to March event in Coventry but NOT on Betfair. Until advised to the contrary of course.
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Hmmm... I"m taking that as a probable almost definite NO to sats for March event in Coventry. Rather than a possibilty of sats to March event in Coventry but NOT on Betfair. Until advised to the contrary of course.
Like I said...I know nothing....not even if Betfair are coming back.
My response is based solely on the tight time-frame between an official announcement, which still hasn"t happened, and any cut-off date to allow enough time for the moneys to be sent to the venue.
Factor in that most sats (in S4) were held at the beginning of the week and we"re basically left with the week after next if it can be done at all....with direct buy-in the same week.
Just my opinion.
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And another
EARLY TRAVEL TIP
Premier Inn M6 Jct 2
Friday & Saturday nights....£36 pn w/o brekky
Friday to Sunday ... £34 pn w/o brekky
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Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii....hotel booked :)
Coventry...by far the finest casino I have visited :)
One thing marred my last visit and I thought about posting after the event but I didnt. Still bothers me though so a good time to get it off my chest. Thoughts please.
Its very early in the tourney, first or second level, I arrived a wee bit late and a bit flustered. I cant remember the exact details but it went something like this.
I was either in bb or limped utg with 44, folds round and Foggy who is my button raises. I call (cant remember if anyone else was in the pot). Flop comes down 422...JACKPOT!! Keeping in mind that Foggy is a bit of a rock in the early stages I have to put him on a high pair so I check, he bets, I call. Turn was a mid card, nothing scary so I check again, he bets, I call. River is a blank, I dont see any point in betting to scare him off so i check again hoping he will pop it up but he checks too and shows AA. When I thought about it afterwards I should have put a bet in on the flop and maybe the turn but nevermind.
The thing that upset me was that after the showdown the dealer said "Ohhh...we have a dirty player on the table" :(
I know it shouldnt have upset me but it did. I still dont know what a "dirty player" is and just played the hand knowing it was Foggy and not to get too fancy. Had it been someone i didnt know I probably would have played it different.
Can someone explain to me what a dirty player is please?
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He is implying you are soft-playing your opponent
However a dealer will not know any history you have with that player that might make you want to play a hand a certain way, eg a strategy you have in mind to trap check
More importantly it"s not a dealer"s place to comment on player"s play. If it happens again anywhere you should be having a quiet word with the TD or the organiser as you or anyone else never wants a dealer comment to influence play.
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that said if you check the nuts last to act on the river then that can be said to be soft-play. Then the dealer has every right to call for a ruling and the TD can enforce a range of penalties for blatant soft-play. Players at the table can call for a ruling too
However this is not the case here. You didn"t maximise the chips from your holding, potentially, but out of position you are never last to act.
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nowt wrong with the play - out of order by the dealer, maybe they were trying to lighten the atmo -- but still out of order.
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Is the possible takeover/sale of ongame holding up APAT?
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I"d have thought he meant that you were being tricky with your big hand to trap your opponent into betting into you, so you could get more chips from him than if you had bet out - a compliment in fact.
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that said if you check the nuts last to act on the river then that can be said to be soft-play. Then the dealer has every right to call for a ruling and the TD can enforce a range of penalties for blatant soft-play. Players at the table can call for a ruling too
However this is not the case here. You didn"t maximise the chips from your holding, potentially, but out of position you are never last to act.
It was never a case of holding the nuts on the river. There was no flush/straight possibility, the turn and river were over cards which might have hit his pp. I just knew he had AA/KK and was right.
My reason for mentioning it was that the dealers comment really f*cked up my game afterwards.
Or maybe not......well yes it did as I was out before the first break. I am a ROCK ffs
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I"d have thought he meant that you were being tricky with your big hand to trap your opponent into betting into you, so you could get more chips from him than if you had bet out - a compliment in fact.
I want to marry you....have I left it too late?
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I"ve got a feeling tonight"s the night
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I"ve got a feeling tonight"s the night
Hope so ;D
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OK...I"ve jumped the gun.
EARLY TRAVEL TIP
Holiday Inn M6 Jct 2
Friday & Saturday nights....£29 pn /£39pn inc. brekky.
Sunday...more
Booked.
If I don"t get a seat, I"ll give the update team a hand...job done.
One of the perks for working for APAT huh!
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I"ve got a feeling tonight"s the night
Hope so ;D
I have bean saying that for the past three days :D
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Right off to work
Please let there be some good news when I come home tonight APAT ???
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE :-* :-*
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piggin ell - my most local casino is coventry, best G casino around is coventry, apat are going to coventry, but i can"t make it at such short notice - 26/27 march is too close, and i don"t have time to get out of work that weekend :(
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Head office staff at poker companies don"t work over the weekend so there won"t be any further news released over the next couple of days. However the dates and location of the first event are there for everyone now.
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Head office staff at poker companies don"t work over the weekend so there won"t be any further news released over the next couple of days. However the dates and location of the first event are there for everyone now.
Okay, now you tell us. I"ll put my feet up for two days then. ;)
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Head office staff at poker companies don"t work over the weekend so there won"t be any further news released over the next couple of days. However the dates and location of the first event are there for everyone now.
Okay, now you tell us. I"ll put my feet up for two days then. ;)
and there was me thinking that was all you did anyway Leigh ;D
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FML, 26th march.I"m at a wedding.Apat come back on hold.
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FML, 26th march.I"m at a wedding.Apat come back on hold.
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FML, 26th march.I"m at a wedding.Apat come back on hold.
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Hmmm... I"m taking that as a probable almost definite NO to sats for March event in Coventry. Rather than a possibilty of sats to March event in Coventry but NOT on Betfair. Until advised to the contrary of course.
Like I said...I know nothing....not even if Betfair are coming back.
My response is based solely on the tight time-frame between an official announcement, which still hasn"t happened, and any cut-off date to allow enough time for the moneys to be sent to the venue.
Factor in that most sats (in S4) were held at the beginning of the week and we"re basically left with the week after next if it can be done at all....with direct buy-in the same week.
Just my opinion.
So could we assume (aware this is all still spec) that event 1 will be either a clickfest or just direct buyin on Betfair or a.n.other site.
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I will be in London all that weekend, been planned for months and can"t get out of it... :( :"(
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So could we assume (aware this is all still spec) that event 1 will be either a clickfest or just direct buyin on Betfair or a.n.other site.
I think the days of clickfests are behind us...the technology has moved on.
Direct buy-in via "insert sponsor here" seems likeliest.
Of course, there is the possibility that the trigger will get pulled early on Monday and short notice satellites could be run next week with another round the week after followed by the direct buy-in.
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So could we assume (aware this is all still spec) that event 1 will be either a clickfest or just direct buyin on Betfair or a.n.other site.
I think the days of clickfests are behind us...the technology has moved on.
Good news indeed!...Will wait with baited breather for Tuesday night....imo.
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Is the possible takeover/sale of ongame holding up APAT?
This got me thinking (what else can you do as you wait for Season 5 to be announced)... so I did some online research...
(http://www.adhika.co.uk/parttime.jpg)
Quality :D
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Nice work Outlander. But...
Why would any sale of the OnGame Network or move of BWin players to Party effect APAT games, the traffic on normal Betfair games would take a hit sure.
Betfair are currrently ignoring any questions about what will happen and whether they will buy it, but I cant see it affecting the "soon" to arrive announcement, unless they are saying we cannot give added value because the network will be in decline or they are saving their pennies to buy the network (shudder). From what I"ve read BWin will probably be clever and wait until there are developments in the US to increase the price they can charge.
To bring it back to topic, are we even back on Betfair?
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In America from 19th March to 4th April.
Oops.
See you all at the 2nd event (whenever that is, if I"m free!).
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Can someone explain to me what a dirty player is please?
Perhaps he wasn"t talking about your poker playing and had just heard the rumours? ;)
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Nice work Outlander. But...
Why would any sale of the OnGame Network or move of BWin players to Party effect APAT games, the traffic on normal Betfair games would take a hit sure.
Betfair are currrently ignoring any questions about what will happen and whether they will buy it, but I cant see it affecting the "soon" to arrive announcement, unless they are saying we cannot give added value because the network will be in decline or they are saving their pennies to buy the network (shudder). From what I"ve read BWin will probably be clever and wait until there are developments in the US to increase the price they can charge.
To bring it back to topic, are we even back on Betfair?
Not used to posting images... wanted to hyperlink it without the text link http://www.adhika.co.uk/parttime.jpg
but cant... if you view it larger you"ll see it"s me just me killing time before the big announcement by fishing for info.... not really speculating that Apat could be moving from Betfair... although it could be.. what do I know... certainly not the details for Season 5 though
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Right so we have the date for the 1st APAT at coventry on the 26/27 ??
does anyone know when we will be able to buy into this event
cheers
I"M SOOO EXCITED LOL ;D ;D :D
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SOON
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There is the possibility that the trigger will get pulled early on Monday and short notice satellites could be run next week with another round the week after followed by the direct buy-in.
Possibility only.
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SOON
HOW SOON is SOON
LOL
only jokin at least we have a date for the 1st one
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I"ve got a feeling tonights the night
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I"ve got a feeling tonights the night
It"s not.
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I"ve got a feeling tonights the night
It"s not.
I know, i just like saying it :)
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I"ve got a feeling tonights the night
It"s not.
I know, i just like saying it :)
bragging rights the day you get it right eh Wayne
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It"s going to be later in the week before we put the announcement out folks, we"re still finalising details. Sorry for the delay.
ummmmmmmmm - when does the week end please?
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march 26th.... APAT comeback on hold
in Cardiff to watch us Welsh get whipped by the English again! :(
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It"s going to be later in the week before we put the announcement out folks, we"re still finalising details. Sorry for the delay.
ummmmmmmmm - when does the week end please?
April 1st would be my guess
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Head office staff at poker companies don"t work over the weekend so there won"t be any further news released over the next couple of days. However the dates and location of the first event are there for everyone now.
One can read a lot between the lines of what Des has said...if one wants to.
For me, I choose to assume that the deal is done barring getting the admin out of the way and getting the sats and direct buy-in up.
I"d like to believe that Des wouldn"t dispense the information that he has, knowing how we would react, if he wasn"t very confident.
But what do I know?
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I"ve got a feeling that tonights the night
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I"ve got a feeling that tonights the night
this made me ;D
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I"ve got a feeling that tonights the night
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go8ABAkQcfk[/youtube]
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I notice Tighty has not said no ;)
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I notice Tighty has not said no ;)
Tighty knows nothing thats why.
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I notice Tighty has not said no ;)
but what about the man from DelMonte?
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Fingers crossed tonight is the night!
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Was going to put the you tube links up, but could not be bothered. So a few suggestions for songs that relate to the time until announcement.
Waiting .. Green Day
Waiting on a word .. Jack Bruce
Right here waiting .. Richard Marx
Don"t keep me waiting .. Sharleen Spiteri
Waiting for the big one .. Peter Gabriel
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Was going to put the you tube links up, but could not be bothered. So a few suggestions for songs that relate to the time until announcement.
Waiting .. Green Day
Waiting on a word .. Jack Bruce
Right here waiting .. Richard Marx
Don"t keep me waiting .. Sharleen Spiteri
Waiting for the big one .. Peter Gabriel
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hUy9ePyo6Q[/youtube]
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J-Lo FTW
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtLyj_O_Fqg[/youtube]
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I see your J-Lo, and raise you a Gorilla.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy52yueBX_s[/youtube]
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I"m all in with a reply from Des
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fglU5Ngd-Pk[/youtube]
Mod Edit: YouTube link fixed
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APAT does not endorse any particular chocolate brand, but interestingly, Cadbury"s use the same tag line as The Duke.
"A Glass and A Half Full of Joy"
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvkK0mO7fXg[/youtube]
Sooooooooon!
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Guess my whisperer was right about Cov. Great Casino! Great Staff! well most of them. Roll on the 26th.
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You can book into the Richo through booking .com £50.00 for the Saturday night.
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You can book into the Richo through booking .com £50.00 for the Saturday night.
You can also book the Ricoh for £50 per night, or any of these other hotels in Coventry via our partner LateRooms.com. Hit the link for the list, pricing and availability.
http://www.laterooms.com/en/p3623/Hotels.aspx?LonLat=&hidfl=&k=coventry&d=20110325&n=2&rt=1-0¤cies=GBP
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Seriously is the next APAT event to be at G Cov 26th/27th March?
I cannot see any thread about it only what I"ve read in this one. I"d really like to know when and where I can buy in (or satellite in) ASAP as I don"t want to miss this one.
Thx
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Seriously is the next APAT event to be at G Cov 26th/27th March?
I cannot see any thread about it only what I"ve read in this one. I"d really like to know when and where I can buy in (or satellite in) ASAP as I don"t want to miss this one.
Thx
The event is confirmed. We"re expecting to be able to make the complete announcement tomorrow night.
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The event is confirmed. We"re expecting to be able to make the complete announcement tomorrow night.
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Thanks Des, looking forward to it. ;D
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The sun will come out...
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yop62wQH498[/youtube]
Ginger wigs FTW season 5 :)
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The event is confirmed. We"re expecting to be able to make the complete announcement tomorrow night.
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Thanks Des, looking forward to it. ;D
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Not as much as Nosey P and I hope I haven"t stolen his thunder! ;)
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Bring on tomorrow night!
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Seriously is the next APAT event to be at G Cov 26th/27th March?
I cannot see any thread about it only what I"ve read in this one. I"d really like to know when and where I can buy in (or satellite in) ASAP as I don"t want to miss this one.
Thx
The event is confirmed. We"re expecting to be able to make the complete announcement tomorrow night.
Thank you Des. Looking forward to it already.
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I"ve got a feeling tonights the night
I"ve got a feeling tomorrow night is the night :)
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I"ve got a feeling tonights the night
I"ve got a feeling tomorrow night is the night :)
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managed to steal car from wife, room booked, just waiting for sooooooooooooooooooooon to end!!!
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(http://www.gerardsmyth.co.uk/assets/images/APAT_announcement.jpg)
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All we need now to make this thread complete is the TIME of the expected announcement ;D ;D ;D
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Totally gutted the 1st event is that weekend.
Punterslounge have had a poker event in Helsinki organised since november for the same date.
Good luck to all who play and im sure we will see you around at future APAT's
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Totally gutted the 1st event is that weekend.
Punterslounge have had a poker event in Helsinki organised since november for the same date.
Good luck to all who play and im sure we will see you around at future APAT's
I"m sure we"ll definitely see you at the second event instead. ;) Have a great time in Helsinki, it"s not Coventry, but you"ll have to make do.
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Hmm I seem to have missed the fact this is happening - checks schedule.
No, that weekend is no good at all. I am already busy that weekend and there is a Grand Prix to wath if they actually manage to start the season.
Move it back a week or two would be the best idea. kthksbye.
Good luck to everybody in Coventry see ya at event two :-)
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Waz
thought u were playing the friendly game? was in peterborough on saturday!!!
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Looking for a lift up to Coventry from Winchester area pls. PM if you are going on that route.
allinbob
AKA Dave Green
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Totally gutted the 1st event is that weekend.
Punterslounge have had a poker event in Helsinki organised since november for the same date.
Good luck to all who play and im sure we will see you around at future APAT's
I"m sure we"ll definitely see you at the second event instead. ;)
Hmmmmm?
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Totally gutted the 1st event is that weekend.
Punterslounge have had a poker event in Helsinki organised since november for the same date.
Good luck to all who play and im sure we will see you around at future APAT's
I"m sure we"ll definitely see you at the second event instead. ;)
Hmmmmm?
Ohhhhh a clue.. Newcastle for the second event then? ;D
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Crikey, you lot will read something out of nothing without much encouragement. ;D
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Crikey, you lot will read something out of nothing without much encouragement. ;D
well we have to find something to do whilst we wait ;D
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Crikey, you lot will read something out of nothing without much encouragement. ;D
we"ll even fight over an empty bowl of scraps
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Crikey, you lot will read something out of nothing without much encouragement. ;D
Another clue.. "Crikey : An Australian exclamation of surprise or bewilderment, almost like a "Gasp".
Someone who "Gasps" is a errrm "Gasper"
So its either "The G" or "Aspers" in Newcastle for round 2 then Leigh?? ;D
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Crikey, you lot will read something out of nothing without much encouragement. ;D
Read = Books
Big building with Books = Library
Largest Public Library in Europe = Openbare Bibliotheek Amsterdam just east of Amsterdam Centraal station.
Next Door to Holland Casino
Checking in to the Well Persons Clinic for preventative shots tomorrow ;D
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Totally gutted the 1st event is that weekend.
Punterslounge have had a poker event in Helsinki organised since november for the same date.
Good luck to all who play and im sure we will see you around at future APAT's
I"m sure we"ll definitely see you at the second event instead. ;) have a great time in Helsinki, it"s not Coventry, but you"ll have to make do.
Nothing to read into here
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Not long to go now children
(http://slovenia1.wikispaces.com/file/view/slovenia2.jpg/34764543/slovenia2.jpg)
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Such a tease :D
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Too soon for me to swap shifts and working both days :(
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Looking forward to the announcement, and may well see ya"s in Coventry :D although the train journey there leaves a lot to be desired...hopefully better than the last one lol
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Not long to go now children
(http://slovenia1.wikispaces.com/file/view/slovenia2.jpg/34764543/slovenia2.jpg)
I"m afraid Nova Gorica isn"t that picturesque.
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Looking forward to the announcement, and may well see ya"s in Coventry :D although the train journey there leaves a lot to be desired...hopefully better than the last one lol
Just get it booked missus! ;)
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Wohooo!!! http://slovenia1.wikispaces.com/ ;D
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Since other people have nicked my phrase I have a new one. :P
Today's the day
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Since other people have nicked my phrase I have a new one. :P
Today's the day
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4vY7vpmCYY[/youtube]
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I"m tiiiiiiiiiiiiiired, hungry and I gotta go to the baaaaaaaaaathroom...are we there yet? Huh, huh, are we? ;D
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Totally gutted the 1st event is that weekend.
Punterslounge have had a poker event in Helsinki organised since november for the same date.
Good luck to all who play and im sure we will see you around at future APAT's
I"m sure we"ll definitely see you at the second event instead. ;) have a great time in Helsinki, it"s not Coventry, but you"ll have to make do.
Nothing to read into here
quality. :D
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So today is the day...we are already 9hours into it or 37.5% of it gone already and still nothing.
sigh. ;D
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how long des,,,i got to go to court today,in case i get put down i need to know the dates for season 5,,,,,lol
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Announcements are evening events folks. So the requisite staff can be onsite to manage what the mods like to call the "egyptian" effect. I"m moving into hiding as we speak.
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Since other people have nicked my phrase I have a new one. :P
Today's the day
FAIL
Tonight is the night.
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Announcements are evening events folks. So the requisite staff can be onsite to manage what the mods like to call the "egyptian" effect. I"m moving into hiding as we speak.
I am out all night. Des, where are we going?
No need to thank me, I"d only get in the way
Good luck Leigh
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(http://www.ataweb.com/images/cheap_tickets/cheap_tickets_250x251.jpg)
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Since other people have nicked my phrase I have a new one. :P
Today's the day
FAIL
Tonight is the night.
:D
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(http://www.ataweb.com/images/cheap_tickets/cheap_tickets_250x251.jpg)
Which airline"s uniform is that?
Paulie?
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Which airline"s uniform is that?
Paulie?
Looks like a Stock Image....so I"d guess no-one"s
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Which airline"s uniform is that?
Paulie?
Looks like a Stock Image....so I"d guess no-one"s
Winner
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-2373603-your-ticket.php
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Which airline"s uniform is that?
Paulie?
Looks like a Stock Image....so I"d guess no-one"s
Winner
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-2373603-your-ticket.php
How good am I?...No, really....how good?
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I"ve heard the night in question could potentially be tonight. :D
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I"ve heard the night in question could potentially be tonight. :D
Really...
(http://blondepoker.com/forum/Smileys/default/deadhorse.gif) (http://blondepoker.com/forum/Smileys/default/party-smiley-004.gif)
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;lol, loving the anticipation already ,
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;lol, loving the anticipation already ,
For myself, I shall be having a normal Tuesday night....in the pub.
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ok we know today is The Day. Now we just need The Time.
I"m guessing 8pm will be the big moment ;D
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ok we know today is The Day. Now we just need The Time.
I"m guessing 8pm will be the big moment ;D
I think it will be soon.
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Will there be the so called "Clickfest" @ 8.. Oh no the football is on at that time .. Good luck to everyone playing the first event, unfortunately I won"t be there, so you"ll have every chance... Can"t wait to find out about the second event.
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Will there be the so called "Clickfest" @ 8.. Oh no the football is on at that time .. Good luck to everyone playing the first event, unfortunately I won"t be there, so you"ll have every chance... Can"t wait to find out about the second event.
Nope....no more "clickfests" of the bad old days as such, although the S4 buy-ins via Betfair, I suppose, could be classed as such.
Anyway, I think they were all 9pm on Thursdays....so I"m expecting that on the 17th. If we"re lucky there MIGHT be sats early next week.
Can"t wait to find out.
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Well I"m off to Aspers Newcastle for their Tuesday deepstacky freezeout thingy in a mo (and to make sure they"re ready for the APAT event in April of course :P ) will catch up with all the news when I get back later... I shouldnt be long to be fair.... can"t wait me!
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It"s going to be between 10.30 and 11.00 this evening folks. We"ve had some fun I tell ya....
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It"s going to be between 10.30 and 11.00 this evening folks. We"ve had some fun I tell ya....
please do then..............lol.
see you all at 10.30pm!
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It"s going to be between 10.30 and 11.00 this evening folks. We"ve had some fun I tell ya....
No fair...it"s extremely unlikely I will be sober at that time of night.
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All announcements on hold until after the ****nal v Barca match then.....
Ha ha.... Look what the forum filter has done to the Gooners football team name.... ;D
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(http://www.pending.me.uk/nmc/gre_1299625200.png) (http://www.pending.me.uk)
I am a pessimist and say 11pm ;D
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Fair warning people....
There is a good chance that posts (after the annoucement) will be moved &/or merged in what will almost certainly be a vain attempt to impose some sort of order in the forum.
I will start a POST announcement thread to separate your comments from the official announcements/posts so that the pertinent information doesn"t get lost in the clutter.
You"re welcome.
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There is a good chance that posts (after the annoucement) will be moved &/or merged in what will almost certainly be a vain attempt to impose some sort of order in the forum.
Good luck with that (http://blondepoker.com/forum/Smileys/default/tikay.gif)
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Fair warning people....
There is a good chance that posts (after the annoucement) will be moved &/or merged in what will almost certainly be a vain attempt to impose some sort of order in the forum.
I will start a POST announcement thread to separate your comments from the official announcements/posts so that the pertinent information doesn"t get lost in the clutter.
You"re welcome.
The announcement will be made in it"s own locked thread linking to this one for discussion.
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Fair warning people....
There is a good chance that posts (after the annoucement) will be moved &/or merged in what will almost certainly be a vain attempt to impose some sort of order in the forum.
I will start a POST announcement thread to separate your comments from the official announcements/posts so that the pertinent information doesn"t get lost in the clutter.
You"re welcome.
The announcement will be made in it"s own locked thread linking to this one for discussion.
You"re no fun Des, I just thought that a new Post-Annoucement thread seemed more logical...but you"s the boss.
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Fair warning people....
There is a good chance that posts (after the annoucement) will be moved &/or merged in what will almost certainly be a vain attempt to impose some sort of order in the forum.
I will start a POST announcement thread to separate your comments from the official announcements/posts so that the pertinent information doesn"t get lost in the clutter.
You"re welcome.
You"re no fun Des, I just thought that a new Post-Annoucement thread seemed more logical...but you"s the boss.
The announcement will be made in it"s own locked thread linking to this one for discussion.
Exitement causes the travel Guru to an epic quote fail......
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How many times do I have to say...I"m drinking...anyway fixed almost before you commented.
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How many times do I have to say...I"m drinking...anyway fixed almost before your commented.
Fair enough - I will raise a glass to your glass raising exploits.
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How many times do I have to say...I"m drinking...anyway fixed almost before your commented.
Fair enough - I will raise a glass to your glass raising exploits.
Cheers...hic!
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Hmmmm...seems I"m sometimes a mean drunk....makes a change from a sleepy one...just not for the better.
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It"s going to be between 10.30 and 11.00 this evening folks. We"ve had some fun I tell ya....
I"m going for 11.15
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It"s going to be between 10.30 and 11.00 this evening folks. We"ve had some fun I tell ya....
I"m going for 11.15
I"m going for soon
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It"s going to be between 10.30 and 11.00 this evening folks. We"ve had some fun I tell ya....
I"m going for 11.15
11:03
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It"s going to be between 10.30 and 11.00 this evening folks. We"ve had some fun I tell ya....
I"m going for 11.15
I"m going for soon
I"m going for a wee.
Fully clothed.
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It"s going to be between 10.30 and 11.00 this evening folks. We"ve had some fun I tell ya....
I"m going for 11.15
I"m going for soon
I"m going for a wee.
Fully clothed.
Going to add pissing in your pants to the list -- just saying ::)
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Sight. It"s just APAT that gives me a warm feeling all over.
:)
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Right footy finished
come on des is it sooooooonnnnnnnnnn
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Have I got time to make my sarnies?
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Hello Everyone.
Glad you could all make it. ;D
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Have I got time to make my sarnies?
get the missus to make them
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A Warm Welcome to all the new members on APAT and here for the new announcement of Season 5.
Please check the link below to join the most successful team in Season 4.
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=2354.0
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lol the suspense is killing me ;D ;D ;D
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nice touch there Waz !!!! lol
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Hello. All present and correct? Let"s get the show...ahem...the half show on the road. I"ll make a post or two here feel free to ask questions.
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The first thing to say is that this is an unoffical announcement as it"s not complete. So if you"re one of the news sites reading this, the official release will be circulated to everyone tomorrow. Please hold off on mentioning any of this. Thanks ;D
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Puts phone down to Reuters. ;D
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FFS, I only bought this lappy on Saturday and now I"ve already ruined the F5 button!
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FFS, I only bought this lappy on Saturday and now I"ve already ruined the F5 button!
Des types about 20 words a minute, so won"t be long. :D
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FFS, I only bought this lappy on Saturday and now I"ve already ruined the F5 button!
Ty made me chuckle ;D
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FFS, I only bought this lappy on Saturday and now I"ve already ruined the F5 button!
Des types about 20 words a minute, so won"t be long. :D
LOL gg my mouse button as well...
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FFS, I only bought this lappy on Saturday and now I"ve already ruined the F5 button!
Des types about 20 words a minute, so won"t be long. :D
Hasn"t he heard of copy and paste ;D
Now I have a new toy - the F5 button!
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Okay, what we can say this evening is the following:-
- APAT will have a new headline partner in Season 5, but unfortunately due to the unavailability of some code, we can"t say who it is yet. They will be named in the official release tomorrow.
- We will post the full schedule for the season. Dates, cities etc. We are going to make a lot more of promoting each new Amateur Championship event this season, so we"re not going to post Casinos and sat dates etc at this point.
- We can confirm that there will be 39 added packages for members this year and we"re switching to UKIPT seats, of which there will be 29 available to be won. Before anyone asks...APAT is not being sponsored by the creator of the UKIPT.
- We are not going to repeat the £20k sponsorship initiatives as they didn"t drive membership or player numbers.
- We are not going to repeat the Professional League this season as it didn"t capture the imagination of the players and the UKIPT is effectively growing in that segment.
- We will be repeating the Specialist Series.
- We will be repeating the Online Championship series with Omaha events alongside the main events.
- We will be breaking the National League into two divisions of twelve clubs each.
Okay, here is the Amateur Championship schedule....
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Oh feck, the 3rd day of Las Vegas clashes with our wedding! Assuming Joobs and I get to day 3...
What times the start on that day? Wedding is at 10.30am Vegas time.
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I think I"ve wet myself
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APAT To Crown Definitive Pub Poker Champions: The APAT UK Pub Poker Championship is a new event that will debut in season five which will identify once and for all, the Champion Pub Poker League and Individual Player in the United Kingdom and Ireland.
He"s driving me to drink!
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As has been released earlier, the first event of Season Five will be the English Amateur Poker Championship.
Direct buy in is planned to be available via our partner site from this Friday. There will be satellites on Mon, Tues and Weds of next week.
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As has been released earlier, the first event of Season Five will be the English Amateur Poker Championship.
Direct buy in is planned to be available via our partner site from this Friday. There will be satellites on Mon, Tues and Weds of next week.
The first live event that is...the English Online Poker Championship is scheduled for Saturday March 19th at 8pm, with the Omaha Championship taking place an hour later.
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A Warm Welcome to all the new members on APAT and here for the new announcement of Season 5.
Please check the link below to join the most successful team in Season 4.
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=2354.0
Interesting definition of "most successful" there Warren!
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I think I"ve wet myself
have you not heard of a tolet
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A Warm Welcome to all the new members on APAT and here for the new announcement of Season 5.
Please check the link below to join the most successful team in Season 4.
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=2354.0
Interesting definition of "most successful" there Warren!
promotion in league 1, title in league 2.........not sure if anyone beat that? ??? :)
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I have to ask...
What will be the selection criteria for the UK Team Championship in Luton?
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ONLINE NATIONAL LEAGUE
Two Divisions - $10 buy in - Sunday 8pm
When will this list be shared please?
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Vegas Baby, get in there!
Now to wake up the Mrs. :)
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"Citin! What can we expect from London"s Pro Am and of course where in Vegas?
Any hints as to which site I need to sign up with.
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I have to ask...
What will be the selection criteria for the UK Team Championship in Luton?
It"s quite a bit off Adam, but would imagine somewhat similar to S4. We were going to have an online qualifying element last season also but couldn"t fit it in the schedule. We may look at that again this year.
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"Citin! What can we expect from London"s Pro Am and of course where in Vegas?
Any hints as to which site I need to sign up with.
Expect larger and very specific announcements about those events. Absolutely no site hints, no.
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"Citin! What can we expect from London"s Pro Am and of course where in Vegas?
Any hints as to which site I need to sign up with.
Expect larger and very specific announcements about those events. Absolutely no site hints, no.
Are all the dates definitely fixed for forward planning on hotels and transport?
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I have to ask...
What will be the selection criteria for the UK Team Championship in Luton?
It"s quite a bit off Adam, but would imagine somewhat similar to S4. We were going to have an online qualifying element last season also but couldn"t fit it in the schedule. We may look at that again this year.
Awesome, thank you. Now could you pretty please answer my first question? I really don"t want you, Leigh and the rest of our friends in Vegas to miss our wedding cos they"re all still in the APAT tournament!
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ONLINE NATIONAL LEAGUE
Two Divisions - $10 buy in - Sunday 8pm
When will this list be shared please?
Division One
Belfast
Birmingham
Bristol
Cardiff
Edinburgh
Liverpool
Luton
Nottingham
Solent
Stockton-On-Tees
Sunderland
Walsall
Division Two
Carlisle
Dublin
Dundee
Glasgow
Kent
Leeds
London
Manchester
Newcastle
Plymouth
Sheffield
Swansea
We have dropped off a number of teams and also joined together the two London teams. Any players who have represented the teams no longer in the league are invited to join their next closest team.
I know this won"t please everyone, but we hope it will make for an even more competitive league for this season.
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I have to ask...
What will be the selection criteria for the UK Team Championship in Luton?
It"s quite a bit off Adam, but would imagine somewhat similar to S4. We were going to have an online qualifying element last season also but couldn"t fit it in the schedule. We may look at that again this year.
Awesome, thank you. Now could you pretty please answer my first question? I really don"t want you, Leigh and the rest of our friends in Vegas to miss our wedding cos they"re all still in the APAT tournament!
Oh hold on, most will be out.
All I have to worry about is the wife-to-be missing it for Day 3!
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Vegas Baby, get in there!
Now to wake up the Mrs. :)
Be careful i can see a frying pan comeing your way
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A Warm Welcome to all the new members on APAT and here for the new announcement of Season 5.
Please check the link below to join the most successful team in Season 4.
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=2354.0
Interesting definition of "most successful" there Warren!
promotion in league 1, title in league 2.........not sure if anyone beat that? ??? :)
Winning Division 1?
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Vegas in november would be great and a really busy time, wsop final table and all.
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A Warm Welcome to all the new members on APAT and here for the new announcement of Season 5.
Please check the link below to join the most successful team in Season 4.
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=2354.0
Interesting definition of "most successful" there Warren!
promotion in league 1, title in league 2.........not sure if anyone beat that? ??? :)
Winning Division 1?
I dont think so theres only one winner thats BELFAST
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A Warm Welcome to all the new members on APAT and here for the new announcement of Season 5.
Please check the link below to join the most successful team in Season 4.
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=2354.0
Interesting definition of "most successful" there Warren!
promotion in league 1, title in league 2.........not sure if anyone beat that? ??? :)
Winning Division 1?
Our skipper can see into the future :D :D :D :D :D
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Vegas Baby, get in there!
Now to wake up the Mrs. :)
Be careful i can see a frying pan comeing your way
I"m sure she"ll be just as excited as me!
Besides it"ll be the first year in my 3 years playing APATs that there isn"t one on her birthday. Surely that"s worth brownie points? ;D
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A Warm Welcome to all the new members on APAT and here for the new announcement of Season 5.
Please check the link below to join the most successful team in Season 4.
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=2354.0
Interesting definition of "most successful" there Warren!
promotion in league 1, title in league 2.........not sure if anyone beat that? ??? :)
Winning Division 1?
which is a superb success, but 1 success, we had 2 successes, :P
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And to think I"ve been waiting for this , is that it Des
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ONLY Joking
looks like a great season
can"t wait ;D ;D ;D
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"Citin! What can we expect from London"s Pro Am and of course where in Vegas?
Any hints as to which site I need to sign up with.
Expect larger and very specific announcements about those events. Absolutely no site hints, no.
Are all the dates definitely fixed for forward planning on hotels and transport?
The dates are fixed however venues can change outside of our control. Standard warning.
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A Warm Welcome to all the new members on APAT and here for the new announcement of Season 5.
Please check the link below to join the most successful team in Season 4.
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=2354.0
Interesting definition of "most successful" there Warren!
promotion in league 1, title in league 2.........not sure if anyone beat that? ??? :)
Winning Division 1?
which is a superb success, but 1 success, we had 2 successes, :P
They won it twice.
Oh, BTW, not to be pedantic or anything, but Solent"s record is also better than yours.
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A Warm Welcome to all the new members on APAT and here for the new announcement of Season 5.
Please check the link below to join the most successful team in Season 4.
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=2354.0
Interesting definition of "most successful" there Warren!
promotion in league 1, title in league 2.........not sure if anyone beat that? ??? :)
Winning Division 1?
which is a superb success, but 1 success, we had 2 successes, :P
Stevenage won the conference last year. Not quite up there with winning the premiership. ;)
Look forward to playing you in the new league. We shall see!
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Sigh @ the online league pre-season banter. ;D
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If that"s the questions out of the way, I"ll shut down for the evening. Thanks for supporting APAT everyone.
Des.
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Okay, what we can say this evening is the following:-
- We can confirm that there will be 39 added packages for members this year and we"re switching to UKIPT seats, of which there will be 29 available to be won. Before anyone asks...APAT is not being sponsored by the creator of the UKIPT.
and the other 10 ??
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nice little announcement there.
With more detail to follow tomorrow.
Intrigued to know who the new sponsor / partner is going to be.
I know it was one season, but wp Betfair and thanks
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Okay, what we can say this evening is the following:-
- We can confirm that there will be 39 added packages for members this year and we"re switching to UKIPT seats, of which there will be 29 available to be won. Before anyone asks...APAT is not being sponsored by the creator of the UKIPT.
and the other 10 ??
These will be APAT Seats.
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A Warm Welcome to all the new members on APAT and here for the new announcement of Season 5.
Please check the link below to join the most successful team in Season 4.
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=2354.0
Interesting definition of "most successful" there Warren!
promotion in league 1, title in league 2.........not sure if anyone beat that? ??? :)
Winning Division 1?
which is a superb success, but 1 success, we had 2 successes, :P
Stevenage won the conference last year. Not quite up there with winning the premiership. ;)
Look forward to playing you in the new league. We shall see!
I very much look forward to it.
They won it twice.
Oh, BTW, not to be pedantic or anything, but Solent"s record is also better than yours.
i wasn"t aware they won it twice in the same season, fair play, and yes Solent gained promotion and finished runners up, so again i stand corrected on my of the cuff, non reasearched remark.
anyone would think Luton came with a reputation! ;D
Good luck to all Div 1 Teams.
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Excellent announcement very good.
Just to confirm as people will be wanting to book time off work, WCOAP main event is
Mon 29th Aug
Tue 30th Aug
Wed 31st Aug
Best just book the week off then???? :-)
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Okay, what we can say this evening is the following:-
- We can confirm that there will be 39 added packages for members this year and we"re switching to UKIPT seats, of which there will be 29 available to be won. Before anyone asks...APAT is not being sponsored by the creator of the UKIPT.
and the other 10 ??
Some GUKPTs and some APATs
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nice little announcement there.
With more detail to follow tomorrow.
Intrigued to know who the new sponsor / partner is going to be.
I know it was one season, but wp Betfair and thanks
+ 1.
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Excellent announcement very good.
Just to confirm as people will be wanting to book time off work, WCOAP main event is
Mon 29th Aug
Tue 30th Aug
Wed 31st Aug
Best just book the week off then???? :-)
Beat me to it , hence i asked same lol
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Okay, what we can say this evening is the following:-
- We can confirm that there will be 39 added packages for members this year and we"re switching to UKIPT seats, of which there will be 29 available to be won. Before anyone asks...APAT is not being sponsored by the creator of the UKIPT.
and the other 10 ??
These will be APAT Seats.
Either you are being deliberately vague or I am being thick.
So I have 29 ways to win a package?
What is a APAT seat? of which there are 10?
edit - OK, Des's answer helps. 29 UKIPT packages and 10 others (GUKPT / APAT)
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Okay, what we can say this evening is the following:-
- We can confirm that there will be 39 added packages for members this year and we"re switching to UKIPT seats, of which there will be 29 available to be won. Before anyone asks...APAT is not being sponsored by the creator of the UKIPT.
and the other 10 ??
These will be APAT Seats.
Either you are being deliberately vague or I am being thick.
So I have 29 ways to win a package?
What is a APAT seat? of which there are 10?
I wasn"t being deliberately vague...but on re-reading it is vague!
There are 29 UKIPT seats. I think 3 GUKPTs and the remainder are APAT. They are ALL available to be won.
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Okay, what we can say this evening is the following:-
- We can confirm that there will be 39 added packages for members this year and we"re switching to UKIPT seats, of which there will be 29 available to be won. Before anyone asks...APAT is not being sponsored by the creator of the UKIPT.
and the other 10 ??
These will be APAT Seats.
Either you are being deliberately vague or I am being thick.
So I have 29 ways to win a package?
What is a APAT seat? of which there are 10?
I reckon its a national live seat added if you win a specialist event live or online?
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Live Rankings and Online Rankings as per last season?
Do specialist events count for the live?
Do Omaha events count for the online?
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Live Rankings and Online Rankings as per last season?
Do specialist events count for the live?
Do Omaha events count for the online?
One overall rankings this year. We will finalise the points allocation and publish this week.
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Excellent announcement very good.
Just to confirm as people will be wanting to book time off work, WCOAP main event is
Mon 29th Aug
Tue 30th Aug
Wed 31st Aug
Best just book the week off then???? :-)
Thank you.
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Awesome, well done guys what a fantastic year ahead for APAT
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Awesome, well done guys what a fantastic year ahead for APAT
+1
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Sigh @ the online league pre-season banter. ;D
Well, the seasons been announced now! :)
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Awesome, well done guys what a fantastic year ahead for APAT
+1
Thanks both of you :) Tighty and Leigh did a great job with the venues and schedules.
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Sums it up nicely methinks....
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQqwG_rQx7A&feature=fvsr[/youtube]
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Awesome, well done guys what a fantastic year ahead for APAT
+1
Thanks both of you :) Tighty and Leigh did a great job with the venues and schedules.
always worth the wait, and another superb set up. don"t think we could ever realise or understand what all 3 of you have to do to get this sorted.
So from a Amateur Poker Player looking to improve- Thank-you, it is simply amazing, I"m so glad I found APAT when I did.
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are the buy-in for the worlds (live) the same as last year
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are the buy-in for the worlds (live) the same as last year
Guess you"ll have to wait until tomorrow.
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are the buy-in for the worlds (live) the same as last year
Guess you"ll have to wait until tomorrow.
I"m still here! Yep, will be the same. But Tighty will have some good news regarding starting stack of the main event.
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I will announce changes to the Live Tour tomorrow, in terms of structures and Payouts
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I can say a bit more.
Firstly this has nothing to do with the sponsors as such.
Several Pub Poker leagues have their own national champions and this event will mirror the set up of the UK Team Championship and be run with teams from all of the UK pub poker leagues. For APAT its an opportunity to support the pub leagues in independently have a single Championship, which will be very keenly contested I have no doubt. For APAT it is a good opportunity to get our name spread wider.
Looks like I have an "APAT free" May then. ;D
How will I fill my time?...Hmmmm....Oh wait...I"m in Killarney...nice one Des!!!!
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are the buy-in for the worlds (live) the same as last year
Guess you"ll have to wait until tomorrow.
I"m still here! Yep, will be the same. But Tighty will have some good news regarding starting stack of the main event.
starting stack at 50k blinds at 1-2 each level 5 hours long lol thanks for the great news
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I can say a bit more.
Firstly this has nothing to do with the sponsors as such.
Several Pub Poker leagues have their own national champions and this event will mirror the set up of the UK Team Championship and be run with teams from all of the UK pub poker leagues. For APAT its an opportunity to support the pub leagues in independently have a single Championship, which will be very keenly contested I have no doubt. For APAT it is a good opportunity to get our name spread wider.
Looks like I have an "APAT free" May then. ;D
How will I fill my time?...Hmmmm....Oh wait...I"m in Killarney...nice one Des!!!!
I"m not just a pretty face...ohh, hold on.....
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IF the schedule has been announced, can someone tell me where i can see it please ??
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IF the schedule has been announced, can someone tell me where i can see it please ??
Sorted ?
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Thanx Leigh...looks good, even if I can"t make Coventry as my Birthday is March 26th and the wife has me booked :(
Our BCPC "VEGAS DREAM" tournament in May could now well have an APAT seat as it"s prize !
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looks like a great schedule glad we are leaving betfair as i have just had a two of the worse beats when i was placed to take tournaments down the amount of times that happens on betfair is uncanny needless to say i will be glad to give my hard earned cash to some other site ;D ;D
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Just back from Aspers and final tableage for me and Stu we got texts and phone calls whilst up there telling us about it all. Just had to read it for myself. Oh my!!!!!!!!! Vegas AND Prague? Its like Christmas. Phil likes this. Lots.
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oh bugger - knew i was gonna miss the first event as have to work..... now see the second event is on Easter weekend - don"t think that would go do too well at home :( Looks like my season doesn"t start until end July in Cardiff
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excellent as ever, hope to find more time this year to support the cause.
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Des et al,
Where are we on the following?
APAT Magazine
APAT Association
APAT TV (live feed / no live feed?)
APAT Hall of Fame (did Tighty have a deadline for the write up on the latest entrant?)
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nice little announcement there.
With more detail to follow tomorrow.
Intrigued to know who the new sponsor / partner is going to be.
I know it was one season, but wp Betfair and thanks
AM i mising something here ?are we still playing on betfair or another poker site
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nice little announcement there.
With more detail to follow tomorrow.
Intrigued to know who the new sponsor / partner is going to be.
I know it was one season, but wp Betfair and thanks
AM i mising something here ?are we still playing on betfair or another poker site
The partnership with Betfair has stopped. New partnership site to be announced later today i believe.
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are the buy-in for the worlds (live) the same as last year
Guess you"ll have to wait until tomorrow.
I"m still here! Yep, will be the same. But Tighty will have some good news regarding starting stack of the main event.
starting stack at 50k blinds at 1-2 each level 5 hours long lol thanks for the great news
500 chips, 15 minute clock, everyone in the bar by 5pm - result!
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Obviously it"s a bit of a shame this has taken so long to come out, but serious congratulations on a excellent and vastly-improved schedule. The amount of off-shore events seems pitched just right :)
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Awesome, well done guys what a fantastic year ahead for APAT
+1
Thanks both of you :) Tighty and Leigh did a great job with the venues and schedules.
always worth the wait, and another superb set up. don"t think we could ever realise or understand what all 3 of you have to do to get this sorted.
So from a Amateur Poker Player looking to improve- Thank-you, it is simply amazing, I"m so glad I found APAT when I did.
+1...
However...as a fellow Luton player, the biggest improvement this season is surely to be winning Div 1?!?!
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Just back from Aspers and final tableage for me and Stu we got texts and phone calls whilst up there telling us about it all. Just had to read it for myself. Oh my!!!!!!!!! Vegas AND Prague? Its like Christmas. Phil likes this. Lots.
Look forward to seeing your Stars and Stripes hair-do for Vegas Phil! ;D
(http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_oly_experts__10/ept_sports_oly_experts-723422721-1266961843.jpg?ym0GeuCDLCffZZ8_)
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Des et al,
Where are we on the following?
APAT Magazine
APAT Association
APAT TV (live feed / no live feed?)
APAT Hall of Fame (did Tighty have a deadline for the write up on the latest entrant?)
Too busy on essential set up work with our new partner to get into any of this at the moment Stuart.
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Des et al,
Where are we on the following?
APAT Magazine
APAT Association
APAT TV (live feed / no live feed?)
APAT Hall of Fame (did Tighty have a deadline for the write up on the latest entrant?)
Too busy on essential set up work with our new partner to get into any of this at the moment Stuart.
I am not writing my own hall of fame entry!
Just a touch precious!
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English Championship @ Coventry has come to soon for me. I hope to get to the Scottish Live event perhaps.
I also hope to finally get a proper team together for a crack at the National Online League through Carlisle.
Looks like a great schedule of events for the year and I"m sure the APAT team deserve a lot of congratulations on hard work put it in for their members. Looking forward to the announcement on the new partner site and glad to get off Betfair"s poor software, although I think the sponsorship package they provided was good value and overcame the downsides of playing on their site once a fortnight.
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Des et al,
Where are we on the following?
APAT Magazine
APAT Association
APAT TV (live feed / no live feed?)
APAT Hall of Fame (did Tighty have a deadline for the write up on the latest entrant?)
Too busy on essential set up work with our new partner to get into any of this at the moment Stuart.
I am not writing my own hall of fame entry!
Just a touch precious!
Uncle Tikay had accepted the challenge some time back as your nomination was not just for sterling APAT work. I"ll speak to him!
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Looks good and worth waiting for !
I may pop my vegas cherry :)
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Looks good and worth waiting for !
I may pop my vegas cherry :)
OMG hope they"re ready for you...... ;)
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Looks good and worth waiting for !
I may pop my vegas cherry :)
OMG hope they"re ready for you...... ;)
Oh...they"re ready....
(http://woofie2.pixiq.com/files/blog/carlosmiller/uploads/2010/03/Vegas-1_600x416.jpg)
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Looks good and worth waiting for !
I may pop my vegas cherry :)
OMG hope they"re ready for you...... ;)
Oh...they"re ready....
(http://woofie2.pixiq.com/files/blog/carlosmiller/uploads/2010/03/Vegas-1_600x416.jpg)
I think he meant...."READY" ready!
(http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-5/riot-police.jpg)
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Des et al,
Where are we on the following?
APAT Magazine
APAT Association
APAT TV (live feed / no live feed?)
APAT Hall of Fame (did Tighty have a deadline for the write up on the latest entrant?)
Too busy on essential set up work with our new partner to get into any of this at the moment Stuart.
I am not writing my own hall of fame entry!
Just a touch precious!
Great Uncle Tikay had accepted the challenge some time back as your nomination was not just for sterling APAT work. I"ll speak to him!
FYP
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I think we need to consider how we can back Scouse if any trouble arises.....
(http://images9.cafepress.com/product/344439409v6_350x350_Front.jpg)
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Looks like I am going to have to give Glastonbury a miss and go to Vegas this year. Cant wait, looking forward to it!
Only shame is losing the tourney in Dublin. That one was so easy to get too and its a great city. Cork is just a mission to try and get flight etc.
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Looks good and worth waiting for !
I may pop my vegas cherry :)
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR-hAcpMCuSs39rPPM5cl-uGsNAFdoAMaHlCU1OLePF4A7CoPEF)
so cheap ! (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sex023.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
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Any word yet on who we are handing our hard earned cash over too ;D ??? ???
P.S. i dont think need you need any of that reinforcement for stevie ive always found him to be aperfectly well behaved gentleman ;D ;D
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We"ve been shipped back to tomorrow as they are trying to put an APAT tab into their Poker Lobby to go live with the announcement.
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Looks like I am going to have to give Glastonbury a miss and go to Vegas this year. Cant wait, looking forward to it!
Only shame is losing the tourney in Dublin. That one was so easy to get too and its a great city. Cork is just a mission to try and get flight etc.
Went to Cork for my stag weekend and had no problems getting flights or accommodation..... or a lap dance!
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We"ve been shipped back to tomorrow as they are trying to put an APAT tab into their Poker Lobby to go live with the announcement.
My money is on an ipoker skin.
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Looks like I am going to have to give Glastonbury a miss and go to Vegas this year. Cant wait, looking forward to it!
Only shame is losing the tourney in Dublin. That one was so easy to get too and its a great city. Cork is just a mission to try and get flight etc.
Went to Cork for my stag weekend and had no problems getting flights or accommodation..... or a lap dance!
Well to be honest I was more meaning the money. Had a look and its around £150 return from London which is quite a lot to pay out for the travel. With Vegas a couple of months after that I will probably just keep the funds back for that trip.
Already booked my flight to Glasgow. £60 return, cant really go wrong with that!
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We"ve been shipped back to tomorrow as they are trying to put an APAT tab into their Poker Lobby to go live with the announcement.
My money is on an ipoker skin.
Yes please, although as long as its not Partypoker I"ll be happy
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My money is on an ipoker skin.
Hope so - iPoker>>>OnGame
Funny though - not so long ago when we were with BSQ, and everyone was craving a move. iPoker MTT structure is pretty decent for deep stacked games now.
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Is Mr Channing maybe backing us now??????
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I think ipoker have sorted out some of their glitches in this last year.
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Is Mr Channing maybe backing us now??????
or Genting they will use the circuis casinos then
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Looks like I am going to have to give Glastonbury a miss and go to Vegas this year. Cant wait, looking forward to it!
Only shame is losing the tourney in Dublin. That one was so easy to get too and its a great city. Cork is just a mission to try and get flight etc.
Went to Cork for my stag weekend and had no problems getting flights or accommodation..... or a lap dance!
Well to be honest I was more meaning the money. Had a look and its around £150 return from London which is quite a lot to pay out for the travel. With Vegas a couple of months after that I will probably just keep the funds back for that trip.
Already booked my flight to Glasgow. £60 return, cant really go wrong with that!
I just put the dates into lastminute.com for Dublin and for Cork
Cheapest Dublin came in at about £80 and the cheapest Cork came in at about £90.
You"ll save much more than that on the price of the hotels (as long as you aren"t staying at the very cheapest end of the market in both locations).
And that"s before anyone starts looking out for sales and special offers.
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I think we need to consider how we can back Scouse if any trouble arises.....
(http://images9.cafepress.com/product/344439409v6_350x350_Front.jpg)
Now i am sure if apaters went round wearing them and nothin else they would free anyone to to cover themselves up !
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Just in from work and did some juggling today. Upshot is I still can"t make Coventry, but all other weekends have been freed up and booked.
Trawling for flights and such for the off piste ones as we type......
PAULIE get your a r sium in gear...........
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Just in from work and did some juggling today. Upshot is I still can"t make Coventry, but all other weekends have been freed up and booked.
Trawling for flights and such for the off piste ones as we type......
PAULIE get your a r sium in gear...........
On it.....just waiting on venues to narrow it down.....although I have some clues.
Las Vegas will be interesting but Prague is my birthday weekend....can you say Mahooosive!?
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Any word yet on who we are handing our hard earned cash over too ;D ??? ???
P.S. i dont think need you need any of that reinforcement for stevie ive always found him to be aperfectly well behaved gentleman ;D ;D
+1 on scouse comment
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As we are still in pre-season phase ... can we have a fancy dress competition?
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yeah but i am so happy about where it is going to be ;D ;D ;D nice work to the Team involved
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The official announcement is copied above everyone and we welcome 888poker.com to APAT. The direct buy in to the English Amateur Poker Championship is now available via the APAT tab within tournaments on the 888poker.com lobby.
Can you please use the 888poker link at the bottom of this thread to signup to 888poker if you don"t already have an account. This is essential.
If you have any questions please post them here and we will answer as best we can.
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Actors in the movie must have got a wiggle on and the film finished early..!!
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that"s great news - played on 888 for a while (well, Littlewoods anyway - same network)...... super soft evening MTTs..... looking forward to getting back there.
looking forward to S5..... but to Betfair, thanks a million for S4!
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The official announcement is copied above everyone and we welcome 888poker.com to APAT. The direct buy in to the English Amateur Poker Championship is now available via the APAT tab within tournaments on the 888poker.com lobby.
In....and I wasn"t first!
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OK Great announcement really looking forward to S%. My first problem occurs when I try to play on the site, guess what I cant lol. It doesnt let me play because I have a Gibraltar IP address!!!! Leigh Des and ideas????
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OK Great announcement really looking forward to S%. My first problem occurs when I try to play on the site, guess what I cant lol. It doesnt let me play because I have a Gibraltar IP address!!!! Leigh Des and ideas????
Dave this would be a customer services question in the first instance. Try contact them now as we expect this event to sell out quickly once we ramp up the PR tomorrow alongside 888.
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Its because Im using a Gib Proxy address. I have to pay and set up a by-proxy address. I have my flights and hotel sorted, already really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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OK Great announcement really looking forward to S%. My first problem occurs when I try to play on the site, guess what I cant lol. It doesnt let me play because I have a Gibraltar IP address!!!! Leigh Des and ideas????
Find some software called... "Real Hide IP"...
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Have an 888 account - I like the site - nice one
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Des,
Is there any way those of us who have dormant accounts on 888 (back when they were Pacific) can get them "tagged" to APAT?
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Des,
Is there any way those of us who have dormant accounts on 888 (back when they were Pacific) can get them "tagged" to APAT?
Yes I"m sure that can be sorted Adam. If anyone has a dormant account and intends to reactivate, please list your 888poker ID here.
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Hey, we are having 10,000 entrants to Coventry... We are all gonna have to sit in the stands..!! LOL
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Des,
Is there any way those of us who have dormant accounts on 888 (back when they were Pacific) can get them "tagged" to APAT?
Yes I"m sure that can be sorted Adam. If anyone has a dormant account and intends to reactivate, please list your 888poker ID here.
Already logged in/reset password when I saw the announcement. Username: sharplea
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Des,
Is there any way those of us who have dormant accounts on 888 (back when they were Pacific) can get them "tagged" to APAT?
Yes I"m sure that can be sorted Adam. If anyone has a dormant account and intends to reactivate, please list your 888poker ID here.
Already on 888 as gerduke
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I m on there as Shogun112
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Please also note I have posted new Live National Championship tournament structure and Payout structure on the stickied thread
Feedback welcome. We listened!
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Please also note I have posted new Live National Championship tournament structure and Payout structure on the stickied thread
Feedback welcome. We listened!
I like both but think we"ll know more after first event obv :P
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Is the online league change to two divisions the full extent of change for that event?
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How is the pub competition going to run?
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already on 888 as Walwyn
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How is the pub competition going to run?
much like our team Championships, with teams chosen by various pub leagues.
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888 - didn"t see that one coming, though should have made a better guess with the Pub poker connection
I remember having a few dollars on there too. Imagine my disappointment to find that I had $0!!
I know I haven"t played on there for a bit (2 or 3 years) and the software has changed. I last played the freerolls they ran in a Pokerplayer promotion and deposited a few dollars to play a few STTs, spinning it up a bit as well to about $70 or $80.
Have emailed support and await their reply.
As for everything else, what an awesome package APAT have put together!!
I will struggle to make a lot of these due to swinebump"s imminent arrival, but hope to play the worlds. Will try and play the online events as well as the national league.
Top work Deso!!!
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I was swinebag on the old network. May explain where my $ have gone?
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Brilliant already have an account with 888 and like the software that was updated last year > Ongame software.
I signed up to 888 through an affiliate in the past, is it OK to just buy in for Coventry or do I need to be re-tagged? Sorry for being dim.
Can you say anything about London Pro-Am?
Thanks, great work, much appreciated.
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Is the online league change to two divisions the full extent of change for that event?
Two divisions of 12 teams, run over 16 matchdays.
Games are the first two Sundays in the month.
Scoring has been tweaked, and we"ll announce that, along with prizes a bit nearer the first matchday.
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Very very exciting... great choice with 888, already on their - mporter1
Hoping to get to at least 3 or 4 events from first glance at the dates. Can"t wait for Coventry, will defo be attending.
Really like the new structure changes, good to see that all the feedback was taken on board. As a fairly new APATer, cant wait to get involved with this season, big shout out to all the hard work that has clearly gone into the set up of all of this. Hoping to put some faces to names in Coventry in a few weeks time! :-)
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Can you say anything about London Pro-Am?
We ran a Pro Am before two years ago, expect similar.
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We are looking at a new London venue for APAT for this event too.
Richard...can you say how many venues are confirmed as yet and, if so, which?
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To add insult 888 are based and registered in Gibraltar LOL I may pop down in the morning !!!!!
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Des,
Is there any way those of us who have dormant accounts on 888 (back when they were Pacific) can get them "tagged" to APAT?
Yes I"m sure that can be sorted Adam. If anyone has a dormant account and intends to reactivate, please list your 888poker ID here.
PLEASE POST YOUR REACTIVATED POKER ALIAS ON THIS THREAD (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=8049.0)
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I like 888 so might get involved in the league again. Any idea what the structure is going to be in the online league yet?
My screen name is umkaygray on 888 btw.
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Can you say anything about London Pro-Am?
Not especially. We ran a Pro Am before two years ago, expect similar.
Who won that - anyone famous?
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Can you say anything about London Pro-Am?
Not especially. We ran a Pro Am before two years ago, expect similar.
Who won that - anyone famous?
In a fashion, yes.
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I like 888 so might get involved in the league again. Any idea what the structure is going to be in the online league yet?
My screen name is umkaygray on 888 btw.
Structure of Online League events will be similar to previous years. With a 8pm start on a Sunday night, we never want them to run much past midnight.
Previously it"s been 2.5k starting stack on a 12 minute clock.
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Signed up as mfcrocker - could you check if I"m referred properly please? Live chat were useless :P
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Joobs says "Can we have Sat-Mon please? I want to play the APAT final table in my wedding dress (and not play on the Sunday)"
I laughed ;)
For people who don"t know, the APAT event is on Saturday 19th November. Joobs and I are getting married on Monday 21st November, at 10.30am.
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Ok I have issues with 888 from back int day and will take a bit of sorting out.
Can I get a place for Cov reserved for me at all till I sort it out (contacting them now)?
Cheers
Iain
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HUGGGE improvment on the Ante structure IMO.
100/200 level twice= nice. And glad to see the 500/1000 back.
Level 6 and 11 is optimal stealing level, cant wait. With this structure it will make it more enjoyable for the lucky one who go deep.
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So will the winner of each live and online event get an entry seat into ?????? (a tourney, like last year), and is there a Champion of Champions event to win a mini sponsorship like Warren Jones won last year?
I"m gonna really sulk if Warren is the only one to pick up a mini sponsorship package and there are to be no more.
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Ok I have issues with 888 from back int day and will take a bit of sorting out.
Can I get a place for Cov reserved for me at all till I sort it out (contacting them now)?
Cheers
Iain
No Iain. Try and sort with them asap.
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Please also note I have posted new Live National Championship tournament structure and Payout structure on the stickied thread
Feedback welcome. We listened!
I"m clearly being blind but..... Where?
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So will the winner of each live and online event get an entry seat into ?????? (a tourney, like last year), and is there a Champion of Champions event to win a mini sponsorship like Warren Jones won last year?
I"m gonna really sulk if Warren is the only one to pick up a mini sponsorship package and there are to be no more.
"- We can confirm that there will be 39 added packages for members this year and we"re switching to UKIPT seats, of which there will be 29 available to be won. Before anyone asks...APAT is not being sponsored by the creator of the UKIPT.
- We are not going to repeat the £20k sponsorship initiatives as they didn"t drive membership or player numbers.
- We are not going to repeat the Professional League this season as it didn"t capture the imagination of the players and the UKIPT is effectively growing in that segment.
- We will be repeating the Specialist Series.
- We will be repeating the Online Championship series with Omaha events alongside the main events.
- We will be breaking the National League into two divisions of twelve clubs each."
from earlier in the thread
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Please also note I have posted new Live National Championship tournament structure and Payout structure on the stickied thread
Feedback welcome. We listened!
I"m clearly being blind but..... Where?
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=8045.0
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(http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af253/7lb12oz/888.jpg)
A minor blip I hope.
Regged as DaSnapper
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Please also note I have posted new Live National Championship tournament structure and Payout structure on the stickied thread
Feedback welcome. We listened!
I"m clearly being blind but..... Where?
http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=8045.0
lol, love the new avatar Rich!!
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Is Warney gonna be joining us in coventry?
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I like 888 so might get involved in the league again. Any idea what the structure is going to be in the online league yet?
My screen name is umkaygray on 888 btw.
Good Lad Stevie :)
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Absolutely spot on with the new structures for blinds and payouts!!
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Absolutely spot on with the new structures for blinds and payouts!!
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Absolutely spot on with the new structures for blinds and payouts!!
Top work from Mr Tightend there. I say that until we are still playing in Coventry at 4am on the Monday morning, then I"ll be calling him all the names under the sun. ;D
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Ok I have issues with 888 from back int day and will take a bit of sorting out.
Can I get a place for Cov reserved for me at all till I sort it out (contacting them now)?
Cheers
Iain
No Iain. Try and sort with them asap.
Ok Ive been in touch with them and they just need me to dent ID so thats done but they quote me upto 72 hours for resoloution Doh
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Great year ahead... like the new structure and especially the new pay out. Missed Coventry last season, but already registered for this one and vegas will be an epic!!
When will the Vegas venue be announced?
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Ok I have issues with 888 from back int day and will take a bit of sorting out.
Can I get a place for Cov reserved for me at all till I sort it out (contacting them now)?
Cheers
Iain
No Iain. Try and sort with them asap.
Ok Ive been in touch with them and they just need me to dent ID so thats done but they quote me upto 72 hours for resoloution Doh
Worst case, they"ll be satellites running Mon-Wed next week. Bit of a last chance saloon for you, but when the pressure is on and all that.
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Absolutely spot on with the new structures for blinds and payouts!!
Top work from Mr Tightend there. I say that until we are still playing drinking cocktails in Coventry at 4am on the Monday morning, then I"ll be calling him all the names under the sun. ;D
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Great year ahead... like the new structure and especially the new pay out. Missed Coventry last season, but already registered for this one and vegas will be an epic!!
When will the Vegas venue be announced?
Don"t worry about Vegas. Coventry was the closest thing we got to Vegas last year, so if you missed out, you are in for a treat.
It"s got escalators, and a waterfall, and a small lake (With real water. Honestly, just ask Don Roberts) ;D
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Absolutely spot on with the new structures for blinds and payouts!!
Top work from Mr Tightend there. I say that until we are still playing drinking cocktails in Coventry at 4am on the Monday morning, then I"ll be calling him all the names under the sun. ;D
True. Cracking night that was. Wonder if they"ve learnt to make proper cocktails yet ?
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Too much info to read and too excited.
So I just opened an 888 account and bought into to Cov event. I"ll read all the stuff tomorrow.
888 screen name is : FluenceAPAT
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Absolutely spot on with the new structures for blinds and payouts!!
Top work from Mr Tightend there. I say that until we are still playing drinking cocktails in Coventry at 4am on the Monday morning, then I"ll be calling him all the names under the sun. ;D
True. Cracking night that was. Wonder if they"ve learnt to make proper cocktails yet ?
Unforunately i missed it all coz i was at the felt :D
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I s Coventry going to be 200 runners? it says 120 on 888, surley it can fit 200. And as ive never been there i was just wondering.
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I s Coventry going to be 200 runners? it says 120 on 888, surley it can fit 200. And as ive never been there i was just wondering.
It will be 150 runners, and looking at the holding tank at the moment, it"s not going to take too long to sell out. ;D
We are running satellites next week, so have held back some seats for those.
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ok just brought in to be safe.
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Why does it list MARCH 20TH as the date Leigh.....and will I be able to buy into the Omaha on the Sunday at Cov ??
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Why does it list MARCH 20TH as the date Leigh.....and will I be able to buy into the Omaha on the Sunday at Cov ??
I answered this question in the other thread you posed it in.
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buy in on Sunday ??
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SOUNDS GOOD. bought in for coventry. easter weekend? will have to negotiate...#
cardiff-----------people must start booking now. 25 june is the british speedway grand prix weeekend. people book accommodation a year in advance and well known that all prices go up that weekend.
ps. Ger speedway or poker- at least debbi"s entertainment is sorted
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In and 42 already!
can"t wait.
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Dam it.
Stuck at work and no way I can download the software. Praying it doesnt sell out during the course of the day!
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buy in on Sunday ??
Correct
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Love the structure, but love the bigger antes more. I hope we don"t have these finishing too late though on the Sunday night (or Monday morning).
Again, top work from all involved.
PS. Top work with the payout structure too. Has the no deal rule been changed? FWIW I hope not.
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SOUNDS GOOD. bought in for coventry. easter weekend? will have to negotiate...#
cardiff-----------people must start booking now. 25 june is the british speedway grand prix weeekend. people book accommodation a year in advance and well known that all prices go up that weekend.
ps. Ger speedway or poker- at least debbi"s entertainment is sorted
Agreed...I"d noticed that...but, folks, make sure your booking is refundable...just in case.
I"ll be doing a travel tips thread shortly.
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We are aware of how busy Cardiff is that weekend.
Currently looking into it, as we want to do whats best for the members.
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Love the structure, but love the bigger antes more. I hope we don"t have these finishing too late though on the Sunday night (or Monday morning).
Again, top work from all involved.
PS. Top work with the payout structure too. Has the no deal rule been changed? FWIW I hope not.
No deals remains
New structure, proof will be in the pudding. On blinds alone it would take ages but the more aggressive antes counter and my forecasts (lol, my scribbles on an envelope) indicate a similar finishing time (look at those antes ratchet up, a thing of beuty for good players who can change gears)
Cardiff, investigating today. Do not book anything non-refundable in case I swap a date round.
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New payout structure is 100000000000000x better, the 2 added levels and bigger antes are better aswell. Nice!!!
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ABSOLUTELY NOT GREAT JOB GUYS ID KISS YA IF I WERE THAT WAY INCLINED HEY I MAY WELL DO ANYHOW MWAH X
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So nearly just deleted this without reading it. ;D
We aim to please Tony. I see you are already registered for Coventry. Good work.
Looks like it could well sell out by the weekend.
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Looks like my game is going to have to adapt with these new Antes! Going to be interesting, may have to widen my range...
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LOL thought you had for a mo .. really great job as always top man / men .. lookin forward to cov and vegas always wanted to go but knew it would never happen but now .......mmmm
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We aim to please Tony.
Blatant favouritism!
;)
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Just remembered I"ve got family in Cardiff so don"t have to trek back and forth over the bridge each day ;D
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Impressed with the changes and gutted I can"t make Coventry
Nice work
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IMO the new ante structure favours the Stockton Rock"s uber aggressive game too much, he will bludgeon us all to death with relentless raising.
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Will miss a lot again this year due to dates - Easter hols and BH weekends are not good for me but apart from it being all about me, good luck to you for another successful season.
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Will miss a lot again this year due to dates - Easter hols and BH weekends are not good for me but apart from it being all about me, good luck to you for another successful season.
It was planned that way Brian. After "that" winners photo, we thought it was best. ;)
Will be good to see you at any events you can make, and I"m sure we"ll see you playing online.
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Will miss a lot again this year due to dates - Easter hols and BH weekends are not good for me but apart from it being all about me, good luck to you for another successful season.
It was planned that way Brian. After "that" winners photo, we thought it was best. ;)
Will be good to see you at any events you can make, and I"m sure we"ll see you playing online.
I am planning on being in Cov as I have a 100% record there ;D
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Will miss a lot again this year due to dates - Easter hols and BH weekends are not good for me but apart from it being all about me, good luck to you for another successful season.
It was planned that way Brian. After "that" winners photo, we thought it was best. ;)
Will be good to see you at any events you can make, and I"m sure we"ll see you playing online.
Leigh, if we start using the tables with webcams can we please make it an APAT rule that all players must be fully clothed at all times.
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Impressed with the changes and gutted I can"t make Coventry
Nice work
very much this
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Will miss a lot again this year due to dates - Easter hols and BH weekends are not good for me but apart from it being all about me, good luck to you for another successful season.
It was planned that way Brian. After "that" winners photo, we thought it was best. ;)
Will be good to see you at any events you can make, and I"m sure we"ll see you playing online.
Leigh, if we start using the tables with webcams can we please make it an APAT rule that all players must be fully clothed at all times.
you where born naked why change it now ;)
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Just to say looking good for season 5 , only a couple of gripes ;D ;D
888 site is a little slow
and the vegas trip, how does apat expect the normal players like me to be able to afford a trip like this :"( :"(
just too expensive
ahh well good luck all who will be able to go ( little cry ) :"(
but a big well done to all at APAT again for the great work ;)
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Are there any further details of the pub poker championship in May? I am the North East rep for Poker in the Pub, and also run a venue which plays in Poker in the Pub and would be really interested in finding out more.
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Are there any further details of the pub poker championship in May? I am the North East rep for Poker in the Pub, and also run a venue which plays in Poker in the Pub and would be really interested in finding out more.
Hi Alisdair,
I will be starting a thread on the forum to allow teams to express an interest and we will forward the event briefing pack directly to them when it is finalised.
Cheers,
Des.
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Just to say looking good for season 5 , only a couple of gripes ;D ;D
888 site is a little slow
and the vegas trip, how does apat expect the normal players like me to be able to afford a trip like this :"( :"(
just too expensive
ahh well good luck all who will be able to go ( little cry ) :"(
but a big well done to all at APAT again for the great work ;)
Thanks Gary. In reality we don"t expect all members to be able to go - I think if 20 or 30 did it would be amazing. However we see these European and American events as ways to spread the APAT brand far and wide. That"s primarily why they are in the schedule. The compensation being that there are lots of events around the UK during the season as well :)
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And we would be hoping to put some tasty satellites on for Vegas. Hope we could get a couple of players out there, who perhaps wouldn"t have it in their bankroll to make the trip.
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Looks like I wont be playing Coventry grrr. Tried using a By Proxy address but the 888 software is clever to this, and there customer services takes 48 hours to reply. Strange the first site I have ever had problems playing on from Gib.
Techno geeks any further ideas would be welcome.
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OMG unreal - just saw the Welsh open has been moved... that was going to my first event of the season as I couldn"t make the earlier ones, but the Welsh has now been moved to another weekend I can"t make. sighhhhhhhhhhh
Looks like I"m gonna have to risk divorce and find a way to get to Newcastle over Easter weekend :(
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OMG unreal - just saw the Welsh open has been moved... that was going to my first event of the season as I couldn"t make the earlier ones, but the Welsh has now been moved to another weekend I can"t make. sighhhhhhhhhhh
Looks like I"m gonna have to risk divorce and find a way to get to Newcastle over Easter weekend :(
lol, we"re like a well oiled machine resplendent in APAT green these days....
(http://www.hat.net/album/south_america/patagonia/013_el_calafete/11150008_old_tractor.jpg)
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OMG unreal - just saw the Welsh open has been moved... that was going to my first event of the season as I couldn"t make the earlier ones, but the Welsh has now been moved to another weekend I can"t make. sighhhhhhhhhhh
Looks like I"m gonna have to risk divorce and find a way to get to Newcastle over Easter weekend :(
All part of my plan Steve, all part of my plan
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OMG unreal - just saw the Welsh open has been moved... that was going to my first event of the season as I couldn"t make the earlier ones, but the Welsh has now been moved to another weekend I can"t make. sighhhhhhhhhhh
Looks like I"m gonna have to risk divorce and find a way to get to Newcastle over Easter weekend :(
lol, we"re like a well oiled machine resplendent in APAT green these days....
(http://www.hat.net/album/south_america/patagonia/013_el_calafete/11150008_old_tractor.jpg)
maybe more akin to this....
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FA1qgEeFL_A/TC1sdr-N6wI/AAAAAAAAADQ/5QKxR7CnDJo/s1600/drunk-man-in-urinal.jpg)
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OMG unreal - just saw the Welsh open has been moved... that was going to my first event of the season as I couldn"t make the earlier ones, but the Welsh has now been moved to another weekend I can"t make. sighhhhhhhhhhh
Looks like I"m gonna have to risk divorce and find a way to get to Newcastle over Easter weekend :(
All part of my plan Steve, all part of my plan
You been reading my secret notes?! :D
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I"m overdosing on banner images ::)
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OMG unreal - just saw the Welsh open has been moved... that was going to my first event of the season as I couldn"t make the earlier ones, but the Welsh has now been moved to another weekend I can"t make. sighhhhhhhhhhh
Looks like I"m gonna have to risk divorce and find a way to get to Newcastle over Easter weekend :(
DONT get divorced she take all your money ........just tell her your going till Newcastle to bye here an easter egg
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Merging to/with main thread.
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Merging to/with main thread.
Paulie you are the Gareth Bale of the APAT team. ;)
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Merging to/with main thread.
Paulie you are the Gareth Bale of the APAT team. ;)
I hope that"s a good thing...but I doubt it! ???
I"m a "tidier-upper" by nature.
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just saw the Welsh open has been moved.
I go to lunch and the world goes to pot....Booked all my holidays with the boss and now I"ve got to rebook.
Just kidding...not an issue for me....unlucky for others....I feel for you.
It"s a week after Killarney...oh, my aching liver! ;D
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Merging to/with main thread.
Paulie you are the Gareth Bale of the APAT team. ;)
I hope that"s a good thing...but I doubt it! ???
I"m a "tidier-upper" by nature.
Gareth Bale? Being quoted as the best player in his position in the world. I would say it was a very good thing!
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Merging to/with main thread.
Paulie you are the Gareth Bale of the APAT team. ;)
I hope that"s a good thing...but I doubt it! ???
I"m a "tidier-upper" by nature.
Gareth Bale? Being quoted as the best player in his position in the world. I would say it was a very good thing!
His "position" though is lying prostrate on a physio"s table. And he looks like Cornelius from Planet of the Apes.
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Gareth Bale? Being quoted as the best player in his position in the world. I would say it was a very good thing!
That"s nice...I demand an immediate 100% pay rise. ;D
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Gareth Bale? Being quoted as the best player in his position in the world. I would say it was a very good thing!
That"s nice...I demand an immediate 100% pay rise. ;D
Grrrranted! Ladies & Gentlemen we have a winner....Tiger Blood all around :D
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Merging to/with main thread.
Paulie you are the Gareth Bale of the APAT team. ;)
I hope that"s a good thing...but I doubt it! ???
I"m a "tidier-upper" by nature. I have OCD.
FYP
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I suppose this is as good a place as any to post this.
The sats for the Coventry event have reg fees. Is this a new thing, or an oversight on 888"s part?
Not that it bothers me, but can"t see it mentioned elsewhere.
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I suppose this is as good a place as any to post this.
The sats for the Coventry event have reg fees. Is this a new thing, or an oversight on 888"s part?
Not that it bothers me, but can"t see it mentioned elsewhere.
As intended Dave; and the live events remain reg free.
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I am sure that this has been asked in the past, but can one pay with a direct entry, then try the satellite route as well?
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I am sure that this has been asked in the past, but can one pay with a direct entry, then try the satellite route as well?
That"s the plan.
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I"m a "tidier-upper" by nature. I have OCD.
FYP
Nah....otherwise I"d be swinging the banhammer.
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anyone else tried the cash games? cant find last hand history, or a way to see what the loosing hand mucked. Maybe the site just doesnt have it. And dont think u can make player notes.
got the note bit. just right click derrr..
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anyone else tried the cash games? cant find last hand history, or a way to see what the loosing hand mucked. Maybe the site just doesnt have it. And dont think u can make player notes.
Yes. Flopped top pair and ran into Aces first hand....
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anyone else tried the cash games? cant find last hand history, or a way to see what the loosing hand mucked. Maybe the site just doesnt have it. And dont think u can make player notes.
Player notes are available....dunno about the rest [LINK (http://www.888poker.com/how-to-play/our-software/game-features.htm)]
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anyone else tried the cash games? cant find last hand history, or a way to see what the loosing hand mucked. Maybe the site just doesnt have it. And dont think u can make player notes.
Player notes are available....dunno about the rest [LINK (http://www.888poker.com/how-to-play/our-software/game-features.htm)]
the rest are there - last hand is on the left near the top a circle arrow thingy.
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yeh just folded top 2 on river when guy over shoves 10x the pot...lol
GG $50.......So much for theory of new players running well when they first deposit.
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Can you buy-in direct as an insurance, and then take part in the sats?
The sats gave you a chance to qualify on the cheap, but will this be possible for Coventry?
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maybe more akin to this....
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FA1qgEeFL_A/TC1sdr-N6wI/AAAAAAAAADQ/5QKxR7CnDJo/s1600/drunk-man-in-urinal.jpg)
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Jack? ;D
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Train and hotel booked for Newcastle and flight booked for Glasgow. Can"t do Coventry (in USA) and can"t do Cardiff (sadly in Vegas). Cork will be difficult. Vegas clearly impossible for a school teacher!! Great fun for those that can, though.
Anyway, is the Blackpool event restricted to players in the Pub Poker Thing? Also, how will the London "Pro-Am" Event work?
Cracking work from the team, as usual!
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maybe more akin to this....
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FA1qgEeFL_A/TC1sdr-N6wI/AAAAAAAAADQ/5QKxR7CnDJo/s1600/drunk-man-in-urinal.jpg)
Jack? ;D
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No. Too clothed.
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maybe more akin to this....
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FA1qgEeFL_A/TC1sdr-N6wI/AAAAAAAAADQ/5QKxR7CnDJo/s1600/drunk-man-in-urinal.jpg)
Jack? ;D
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A shocking slur on my good name Warren!
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maybe more akin to this....
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FA1qgEeFL_A/TC1sdr-N6wI/AAAAAAAAADQ/5QKxR7CnDJo/s1600/drunk-man-in-urinal.jpg)
Jack? ;D
A shocking slur on my good name Warren!
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My full apologies Jack, I clearly shouldn"t believe in the rumours that have being spreading over the poker forums, ......or the following stories.......or indeed the pictures that emerged........or your own part recount
My mistake clearly, for which I am shamed, and equally shamed to have believed the vicious slurs that have been apparant. ;)
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That"s better. Will you be my PR man? Some work to do.
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I suppose this is as good a place as any to post this.
The sats for the Coventry event have reg fees. Is this a new thing, or an oversight on 888"s part?
Not that it bothers me, but can"t see it mentioned elsewhere.
As intended Dave; and the live events remain reg free.
Are the online championships going to have a reg fee?
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Anyway, is the Blackpool event restricted to players in the Pub Poker Thing? Also, how will the London "Pro-Am" Event work?
also wondering about these!
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The Online Championships will have the standard registration fee attached.
Details of the Pub Poker Championship and the APAT Masters Pro-Am will be announced closer to those events taking place.
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Can some one direct me to the pub poker thread pls.
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Can some one direct me to the pub poker thread pls.
Details yet to be announced.
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Are there any further details of the pub poker championship in May? I am the North East rep for Poker in the Pub, and also run a venue which plays in Poker in the Pub and would be really interested in finding out more.
Hi Alisdair,
I will be starting a thread on the forum to allow teams to express an interest and we will forward the event briefing pack directly to them when it is finalised.
Cheers,
Des.
Des, Leigh and anyone else involved, 10 out of 10 for Season 5.
Already have 2 minibuses full for DTD in August.
Pub poker - blackpool - apat - are the perfect treble IMO. Really looking forward to the details of this game as it has the possiblility to be the best game of the year
Dont forget the liitle guys!!!!
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The Online Championships will have the standard registration fee attached.
Details of the Pub Poker Championship and the APAT Masters Pro-Am will be announced closer to those events taking place.
is it just me, or did we not have reg fees for the online series last year?
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Can some one direct me to the pub poker thread pls.
Details yet to be announced.
K, tks.
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The Online Championships will have the standard registration fee attached.
Details of the Pub Poker Championship and the APAT Masters Pro-Am will be announced closer to those events taking place.
is it just me, or did we not have reg fees for the online series last year?
I don"t think there were any, but I can"t complain about reg fees when there"s value added in the form of extra seats. No reg fees are a nice extra but not money well spent from a marketing point-of-view (IMO). No-one says "great no reg fees I"m definitely playing this tourney". But they do say that about extra value added (seats, added money).
I know last year we had both which I thought was unnecessarily generous, so I can"t blame 888 for trying to make a bit of their sponsorship costs back.
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The Online Championships will have the standard registration fee attached.
Details of the Pub Poker Championship and the APAT Masters Pro-Am will be announced closer to those events taking place.
is it just me, or did we not have reg fees for the online series last year?
I don"t think there were any, but I can"t complain about reg fees when there"s value added in the form of extra seats. No reg fees are a nice extra but not money well spent from a marketing point-of-view (IMO). No-one says "great no reg fees I"m definitely playing this tourney". But they do say that about extra value added (seats, added money).
I know last year we had both which I thought was unnecessarily generous, so I can"t blame 888 for trying to make a bit of their sponsorship costs back.
Couldn"t have put it better myself. ;D
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Ref: American Amatuer Champs, Las Vegas
Has any thougth been given to the buy-in? Is it likely to remain at the dollar equivalent of £75?
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Ref: American Amatuer Champs, Las Vegas
Has any thougth been given to the buy-in? Is it likely to remain at the dollar equivalent of £75?
Nothing finalised yet on that question. Although I think a number of players will be heading over from the UK, the tournament will be filled by a lot of locals (and I guess tourists). APAT is all about great value events with affordable buy-ins, so I"d be surprised if it fluctuated much from the £75 mark.
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Ref: American Amatuer Champs, Las Vegas
Has any thougth been given to the buy-in? Is it likely to remain at the dollar equivalent of £75?
Nothing finalised yet on that question. Although I think a number of players will be heading over from the UK, the tournament will be filled by a lot of locals (and I guess tourists). APAT is all about great value events with affordable buy-ins, so I"d be surprised if it fluctuated much from the £75 mark.
I understand the logic behind this, and Id say a lot of people will be going for a holiday...but I think if the buy-in is pushed up slightly then it will be easier for people to cover expenses. Its tough spending so much getting there, and having fun when you are there, and have to shoot at 1 place to cover costs.
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...but I think if the buy-in is pushed up slightly then it will be easier for people to cover expenses. ...
I don"t think anybody should be aiming to cover their expenses by cashing, do you?
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...but I think if the buy-in is pushed up slightly then it will be easier for people to cover expenses. ...
I don"t think anybody should be aiming to cover their expenses by cashing, do you?
I was playing on a roulette spin-up to cover my expenses. ;D
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...but I think if the buy-in is pushed up slightly then it will be easier for people to cover expenses. ...
I don"t think anybody should be aiming to cover their expenses by cashing, do you?
I was playing on a roulette spin-up to cover my expenses. ;D
Roulette lol, shoot some crappppsss.
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...but I think if the buy-in is pushed up slightly then it will be easier for people to cover expenses. ...
I don"t think anybody should be aiming to cover their expenses by cashing, do you?
Very much this.
However, I have no litle doubt that there will be some sort of satellites etc/added value that people could shoot for over the course of the year.
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I don"t think anybody should be aiming to cover their expenses by cashing, do you?
My donkey and I had a good giggle at that.
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Ref: American Amatuer Champs, Las Vegas
Has any thougth been given to the buy-in? Is it likely to remain at the dollar equivalent of £75?
Nothing finalised yet on that question. Although I think a number of players will be heading over from the UK, the tournament will be filled by a lot of locals (and I guess tourists). APAT is all about great value events with affordable buy-ins, so I"d be surprised if it fluctuated much from the £75 mark.
With LV tournament rakes ranging from 8% upto 30%, I"m sure any rake free tournament will be viewed as great value by LV locals.
The reason behind my question was not a suggestion that the buy-in should be increased, although I think $150 reg free would be about right and prove popular with locals. I was thinking more about satellite structures...
Lets assume that satellites will be set-up to provide a "Vegas Package", even without a spending money element, you would need around $1500 to cover flight and a [cheapish] hotel, add the buy-in and you have a total of around $1650.
What price do you set the satellites at? Bearing in mind that satelliutes for the Euro games last season were very poorly supported, beacause of the high expenses to buy-in ratio, you might need a satellite buy-in that is as much as or more than the target tournament buy-in.
Now, of course if 888poker could be persuaded to guarantee a package, for each satellite, I would think something like a $20 re-buy might get sufficient support.
Just thinkin" aloud.
8)
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Good thoughts. Please keep thinking aloud on this, as when we setup the satellites, we really want them to be well supported so we can get a bunch of players over there.
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Assuming say a $2000 package...a few super satellites to a $50 satellite should be enough...I would have thought.
They"d only need 40 runners per package.
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Assuming say a $2000 package...a few super satellites to a $50 satellite should be enough...I would have thought.
They"d only need 40 runners per package.
You would have thought so and if it were for a $3000 package to a $1500 WSOP event, with 3000 runners, a Gold Bracelet and a life changing 1st prize... you would undoubtably be right.
However, for a $150(ish) event with 200 runners and a $9000(ish) 1st prize, I"m not so sure... hence my raising the subject.
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I also played on here some time ago under the name 888den (I know, I know) - will have to give it another go now - well done to APAT again for a great looking schedule.
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I get where you"re coming from Alan...but, to me, the purpose of APAT specific satellites would be to cover basic travel expenses and the buy-in.
Anything else is gravy.
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Assuming say a $2000 package...a few super satellites to a $50 satellite should be enough...I would have thought.
They"d only need 40 runners per package.
I would agree with the principle of that, but we did similar for Vienna and Tallinn last year. $50 super satellite with a $400 package to help cover buyin and travel, and I think we managed one seat (Paul Mac to Vienna iirc)
Offering guaranteed packages is the way to do it, but then you walk the tightrope of overlays.
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Assuming say a $2000 package...a few super satellites to a $50 satellite should be enough...I would have thought.
They"d only need 40 runners per package.
I would agree with the principle of that, but we did similar for Vienna and Tallinn last year. $50 super satellite with a $400 package to help cover buyin and travel, and I think we managed one seat (Paul Mac to Vienna iirc)
Offering guaranteed packages is the way to do it, but then you walk the tightrope of overlays.
What about a flight only and tournament entry package to lower the cost of the package?
Vegas hotel costs start at a very low level so if somebody won the disproportionately expensive flight part in the satellite that could easily make the difference between not being able to go and being able to do so.
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Assuming say a $2000 package...a few super satellites to a $50 satellite should be enough...I would have thought.
They"d only need 40 runners per package.
I would agree with the principle of that, but we did similar for Vienna and Tallinn last year. $50 super satellite with a $400 package to help cover buyin and travel, and I think we managed one seat (Paul Mac to Vienna iirc)
Offering guaranteed packages is the way to do it, but then you walk the tightrope of overlays.
What about a flight only and tournament entry package to lower the cost of the package?
Vegas hotel costs start at a very low level so if somebody won the disproportionately expensive flight part in the satellite that could easily make the difference between not being able to go and being able to do so.
I like this...$1000 should do it for the flight.
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Re: American Amateur Champs
More thinkin aloud...
It is scheduled as a 3 day affair, starting on Sat 19th Nov. Now I"m assumin" this is 2 x day 1s and a day 2.
A few observations...
Venetian (1200) $130 + $20 averages 90 runners
Venetian (1900) $100 + $20 averages 100 runners
Wynn $120 + $20 average 40 runners
Aria $100 + $25 average 50 runners
(source: AllVegasPoker.com)
Vegas is busiest Saturday and Sunday, they pour in Fri evening and pour ou ton the "Red Eyes" Sunday night. The conventioners are there weekdays only.
Clearly I have no idea at what stage any negotiations may be at with any potential venue, or how this event may be promoted in the US of Americky to attract players, or what the anticipated field size is, or how that number was arrived at... but I don"t believe it will attract enough players to warrant two starting days and having it finish on the Monday will prevent the weekend visitors from taking part.
Based on the last two year"s info on the Venetian website, this weekend will likely clash with the 2011 Venetian Deepstack IV Main Event... obviously a $2.5k buy-in is a different target audience, so probably totally irrelevant, but an observation none the less.
Just observin".
Probably more thoughts and observations to follow.
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Some good points there Alan, I confess I thought of the clash with the VDS might be an issue but then we are talking two different animals.
Still I await developments with interest.
Obv, with the VDS on it"s unlikely that the Venetian would host it..unless they merge it in somehow....oooooh, there"s a thought. ;D
Oh, one last thing, the info on AVP is mucho out of date..but I don"t know of a more current source.
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...but I think if the buy-in is pushed up slightly then it will be easier for people to cover expenses. ...
I don"t think anybody should be aiming to cover their expenses by playing the APAT event, do you?
FYP
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Will the Vegas game offer up a UKIPT seat to the winner? Will Mercans want to come all the way over here to play a UKIPT event? In order to entice the locals to play Siren stylee can the added value come in the form of vouchers to a gentleman"s club? But not one where they interfere with you without your consent when you only came in to check the football scores.
I have no other questions at this time.
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Read somewhere that there"ll be a combined rankings this season... anything decided on how that"ll work... can"t see anything on this thread.
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Just back from turkey
WOW there has been a lot going on in the last week, lots of interesting threads
joined 888 and low and behold sold out, be-jeez only been gone a week,
gonna play sats to morrow c if i can get in,
OR if one of the APATers that bought in qualifys tomorrow can you pm me before you unreg so i can do a sneaky buyin at the same time.
Wink wink!!!
cheers guys
sunseekers
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cancel that guys and girls, am i a lucky B******D
some 1 just unregistered and i am number 120
Hold on to yer hats, Sunseekers comin to coventry!!!
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am i a lucky B******D
Errr, yes! We"ve seen you play ;)
Seriously though, Good luck!
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Prauge in january think it might be a good idea Leigh if you start selling snow boots and thermal underwear in the APAT shop mind you could be worse could be in yorkshire in january ;D
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Read somewhere that there"ll be a combined rankings this season... anything decided on how that"ll work... can"t see anything on this thread.
What he said. Also can"t find anything on this thread regarding this. I"d heard the same. Really hoping it"s not true. Was aiming to top my 4th in the live rankings this year. Not that fussed about the online rankings. Be dissapointing if they"re combined. Two different skill sets imo.
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Agree with Andy here.
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+1. Same reason, opposite way round. I"ll play all the online events but only the local live ones. Would be nice to (again) have a shot at the online rankings but will miss too many events to have a chance at a combined total.
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Two different skill sets imo.
...so it"s a good way of determining the best overall poker player, covering both live and online discipline...?
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For the smallish subset of people who"ll shlep all over the country/world to play every live event as well as all the online ones, yes.
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Can some one direct me to the pub poker thread pls.
Details yet to be announced.
I am really looking forward to hearing about this.
Running The Bristol Poker League I hope the event will be open to local pub poker leagues as well as national ones as I am sure I would be able to raise a team.
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Two different skill sets imo.
...so it"s a good way of determining the best overall poker player, covering both live and online discipline...?
Well if that"s what the rankings are for then the main tournaments shouldn"t be just NLHE.
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Two different skill sets imo.
...so it"s a good way of determining the best overall poker player, covering both live and online discipline...?
Well if that"s what the rankings are for then the main tournaments shouldn"t be just NLHE.
Surely the PLO counts towards it as well so its not just NLH?
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Two different skill sets imo.
...so it"s a good way of determining the best overall poker player, covering both live and online discipline...?
Well if that"s what the rankings are for then the main tournaments shouldn"t be just NLHE.
Surely the PLO counts towards it as well so its not just NLH?
All of the main tournaments are NLHE. The side events only count for half points and are few and far between so count very little towards the "best overall poker player" scoring.
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Regarding the rankings this is a good debate and could do with some clarification
Are the two to be combined or separate?
Either way what does the overall winner (s) get?
Will the online champs have the same scoring system as last year - i.e. 18 - 1 for top 18 in the ME and 9 - 1 for top nine in the PLO
Will the live side events award points? I vote yes although I know last year they didn"t
On a slight tangent, is there an added seat for winning this weekend"s online event and if so do we know what it will be? (just curious really - I"ll be playing regardless)
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Regarding the rankings this is a good debate and could do with some clarification
Are the two to be combined or separate?
Either way what does the overall winner (s) get?
Will the online champs have the same scoring system as last year - i.e. 18 - 1 for top 18 in the ME and 9 - 1 for top nine in the PLO
Will the live side events award points? I vote yes although I know last year they didn"t
On a slight tangent, is there an added seat for winning this weekend"s online event and if so do we know what it will be? (just curious really - I"ll be playing regardless)
UKIPT seat added.
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Evening all, hopefully des or someone can help, i"m trying to find details of the £250 events that were the pro events in season 4 as I"m due entry to one from apat but can"t find anything on the forum or web site, the links on the web site take me to season 4"s schedule. Anyone know details of the season 5 250 quid events?
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Evening all, hopefully des or someone can help, i"m trying to find details of the £250 events that were the pro events in season 4 as I"m due entry to one from apat but can"t find anything on the forum or web site, the links on the web site take me to season 4"s schedule. Anyone know details of the season 5 250 quid events?
There are no Professional Events running through S5 although there will be a sole Pro-Am event in London later in the year
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Evening all, hopefully des or someone can help, i"m trying to find details of the £250 events that were the pro events in season 4 as I"m due entry to one from apat but can"t find anything on the forum or web site, the links on the web site take me to season 4"s schedule. Anyone know details of the season 5 250 quid events?
I would ask for a passport to the Worlds instead 8)
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Regarding the rankings this is a good debate and could do with some clarification
Are the two to be combined or separate?
Either way what does the overall winner (s) get?
Will the online champs have the same scoring system as last year - i.e. 18 - 1 for top 18 in the ME and 9 - 1 for top nine in the PLO
Will the live side events award points? I vote yes although I know last year they didn"t
Any word on this with the first events being tomorrow?
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Regarding the rankings this is a good debate and could do with some clarification
Are the two to be combined or separate?
Either way what does the overall winner (s) get?
Will the online champs have the same scoring system as last year - i.e. 18 - 1 for top 18 in the ME and 9 - 1 for top nine in the PLO
Will the live side events award points? I vote yes although I know last year they didn"t
Any word on this with the first events being tomorrow?
Yes combined
No to live side events
other questions...Des/Leigh to answer
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Ranking points scoring will be the same as last season.
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Have Cardiff and Blackpool dates definitely been swapped as on 888 the dates for the events are the originals. Need to know as booking accommodation for Cardiff with Tesco vouchers. :o
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Have Cardiff and Blackpool dates definitely been swapped as on 888 the dates for the events are the originals. Need to know as booking accommodation for Cardiff with Tesco vouchers. :o
They have been swapped...888 obviously not updated.
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Just thinking about Prague next year and noticed that the casino is being proposed as "Kings Casino, Rozvadov, Czech Rep" which seems a little far from Prague itself (1hour 40mins away by car and 162Km away).. is this true or has my googling gone crazy.. :-\
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&sugexp=crnk_lssbd&xhr=t&q=Rozvadov+7+348+06+Rozvadov+CZECH+REPUBLIC&cp=41&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Rozvadov,+Czech+Republic&gl=uk&ei=Y8eITce_EIyJhQet9c2kDg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBYQ8gEwAA
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Just thinking about Prague next year and noticed that the casino is being proposed as "Kings Casino, Rozvadov, Czech Rep" which seems a little far from Prague itself (1hour 40mins away by car and 162Km away).. is this true or has my googling gone crazy.. :-\
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&sugexp=crnk_lssbd&xhr=t&q=Rozvadov+7+348+06+Rozvadov+CZECH+REPUBLIC&cp=41&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Rozvadov,+Czech+Republic&gl=uk&ei=Y8eITce_EIyJhQet9c2kDg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBYQ8gEwAA
Air Berlin to Nuremberg, about 30 mins away with transport provided by the casino
DO NOT BOOK ANYTHING YET. working through the venues to confirm in order....
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Just thinking about Prague next year and noticed that the casino is being proposed as "Kings Casino, Rozvadov, Czech Rep" which seems a little far from Prague itself (1hour 40mins away by car and 162Km away).. is this true or has my googling gone crazy.. :-\
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&sugexp=crnk_lssbd&xhr=t&q=Rozvadov+7+348+06+Rozvadov+CZECH+REPUBLIC&cp=41&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Rozvadov,+Czech+Republic&gl=uk&ei=Y8eITce_EIyJhQet9c2kDg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBYQ8gEwAA
Air Berlin to Nuremberg, about 30 mins away with transport provided by the casino
DO NOT BOOK ANYTHING YET. working through the venues to confirm in order....
??? Are you saying if we go to the Prague tournament we should actually be looking at going to/staying near Nuremberg?
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??? Are you saying if we go to the Prague tournament we should actually be looking at going to/staying near Nuremberg?
Transport to the casino from the airport is (as Tighty said) available from the casino (or so I gather) but my understanding is that the casino itself has rooms but the website (http://www.kingscasino.eu/en/) is a little vague on that and/or the cost.
I would say, however, that 30 minutes is optimistic...60-90 minutes is more likely...it"s 140km (85 miles in real money) from Nuremburg airport.
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The casino will have a larger hotel attached by then, its scheduled to complete in August
The casino is in the Czech republic and flying to Prague is an option though Nuremberg is closer.
and its told to me as 30 mins but I will recheck
Anyway, I have back up plans including Nova Gorica, Slovenia and Barcelona again
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Anyway, I have back up plans including Nova Gorica, Slovenia and Barcelona again
...and that"s why HE DA MAN! ;D
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Looks pretty much bang in the middle.. however for illustrative purposes....
(http://www.i2b-online.com/images/poker/prague_apat.jpg)
Red circle = Nuremburg
Blue circle = Casino
Green circle = Me in Prague eating goulash :)
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Me in Prague eating goulash :)
Good to know you"re going with a traditional Hungarian dish in the Czech Republic. ;D
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Me in Prague eating goulash :)
Good to know you"re going with a traditional Hungarian dish in the Czech Republic. ;D
Having a 4 hour flight window in Prague on the way back from Estonia last year myself and Gary Palmer possibly paid for the most expensive goulash ever (think it was £5 luggage storage... £50ish taxi round trip.. £10+ for the meal and a beer).. but it was so worth it. Priceless as Ger would put it.
Actual footage of my plate beforehand taken on my then working iphone (RIP) :
(http://www.i2b-online.com/images/poker/prague_goulash.jpg)
Traditional hungarian dish.. but perfected in Prague :)
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Traditional hungarian dish.. but perfected in Prague :)
Well....we are a long way off BUT my thoughts were for a Friday night in Prague (with all that entails ;D) and head off to that casino on Saturday for Saturday & Sunday nights with outbound on Monday.
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The casino will have a larger hotel attached by then, its scheduled to complete in August
The casino is in the Czech republic and flying to Prague is an option though Nuremberg is closer.
and its told to me as 30 mins but I will recheck
Anyway, I have back up plans including Nova Gorica, Slovenia and Barcelona again
Crystal Crown Casino, Sunny Beach, Bulgaria.
25 poker tables, has hosted some decent European ranking events and is smack in the middle of loads of hotels, bars and clubs. You can still get a pint out there for ~40p :D
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The casino will have a larger hotel attached by then, its scheduled to complete in August
The casino is in the Czech republic and flying to Prague is an option though Nuremberg is closer.
and its told to me as 30 mins but I will recheck
Anyway, I have back up plans including Nova Gorica, Slovenia and Barcelona again
Crystal Crown Casino, Sunny Beach, Bulgaria.
25 poker tables, has hosted some decent European ranking events and is smack in the middle of loads of hotels, bars and clubs. You can still get a pint out there for ~40p :D
Do we really need to look any further than 40p a pint!
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Do we really need to look any further than 40p a pint!
Depends...how much are the ....erm..."dances"?
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Do we really need to look any further than 40p a pint!
Depends...how much are the ....erm..."dances"?
lol , made me giggle
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Not much.
I went to Sunny Beach on a family holiday a few years ago...my 13yr old cousin got in half the strip clubs. Don"t take the kids ;)
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Me in Prague eating goulash :)
Good to know you"re going with a traditional Hungarian dish in the Czech Republic. ;D
Having a 4 hour flight window in Prague on the way back from Estonia last year myself and Gary Palmer possibly paid for the most expensive goulash ever (think it was £5 luggage storage... £50ish taxi round trip.. £10+ for the meal and a beer).. but it was so worth it. Priceless as Ger would put it.
Actual footage of my plate beforehand taken on my then working iphone (RIP) :
(http://www.i2b-online.com/images/poker/prague_goulash.jpg)
Traditional hungarian dish.. but perfected in Prague :)
Mmmmm, goulash. The cause of me many years back quitting being a vegetarian after the last night of our tour of Czechoslovakia (as it was back then). It was the only thing they were serving at the time and i was ever so slightly inebriated. After drinking until about 5 in the morning i ended the evening laid outside in the snow singing a Tom Waits song very loudly. Ahhh, them were the days! ;D
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Now...he doesn"t sing !!
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Now...he doesn"t sing !!
I do, just not on stage these days!