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Title: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: Jon MW on December 08, 2007, 00:08:45 AM: 1) Season 2 is now completed

2) When a member adds Online Series ranking points, their Blue Square player id will be automatically added to the rankings.

3) When a member adds Regional ranking points, their Region will be automatically added to the rankings.

4) If any member wants their Blue Square player id removed from this table, please notify us by sending an email to customer@apat.com.
Title: Re: APAT Rankings - Season Two - Championship
Post by: Jon MW on December 08, 2007, 00:09:00 AM
Title: Re: APAT Rankings - Season Two - Championship
Post by: Jon MW on December 08, 2007, 00:09:14 AM: Interesting Ranking Trivia

Darren Shallis is the only player to finishing in the points in more than 5 live tournaments.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two - 20 January
Post by: Jon MW on February 08, 2008, 13:56:31 PM: The rankings are up to date to the 20th January
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two - 20 January
Post by: Bodddders on February 08, 2008, 17:29:46 PM: Well done Jon, great effort.

Dan and myself are still awaiting our first points for season two, think we should have a little side bet for the first one to get lucky. Just a shame you dont get ranking points for sats. Dan ;D
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two - 20 January
Post by: technolog on February 08, 2008, 23:56:09 PM: Thanks Jon.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two - 20 January
Post by: Chipaccrual on February 09, 2008, 08:45:08 AM: Jon,

Keep up the good work, I"m sure it will get easier to get these out as time goes on.

It is very much appreciated.

Leigh
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two - 20 January
Post by: aciesielski on February 10, 2008, 23:11:09 PM: Joint 280th, sweet. ;D
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two - 20 January
Post by: biffa85 on February 14, 2008, 14:40:45 PM: Can anyone help me, hows does the international team challenge work, it states it for the leading ranked APAT members, but doesn"t say what positions you will need to qualify? is it so many positions for each region, or so many for each country.....

Same for the UK Forum challenge - what do you need to be eligible for this one too, I know they are both non ranking events, but would still like to be in a position to play them both....

Thanks all the same. ;D
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two - 20 January
Post by: Jon MW on February 24, 2008, 02:17:41 AM: The rankings are up to date to the 20th February
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two - 20 February
Post by: APAT on February 24, 2008, 10:19:29 AM: Brilliant, thanks Jon.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two - 20 February
Post by: Jon MW on May 09, 2008, 06:22:32 AM: The rankings are updated up to and including the Scottish Championship
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two - 20 February
Post by: Bodddders on May 09, 2008, 07:41:26 AM: Well done jon. joint 203rd there"s hope for me yet. I know it"s not really important but my Blue Sq. ID is Honeycroft.

By the way couldn"t see Dan Phillips on the list?
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two - 20 February
Post by: aciesielski on May 10, 2008, 18:13:34 PM: Good work Jon.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two - 20 February
Post by: Roscopiko on May 11, 2008, 00:23:48 AM: Bagged 17 points today........wahoooo. Joint 3rd now.

Bring on the late surge for the title.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two - 20 February
Post by: lukybugur on May 11, 2008, 09:02:40 AM: Quote from: Bodddders on May 09, 2008, 07:41:26 AM

By the way couldn"t see Dan Phillips on the list?

I think he"s taking the p*ss Dan ... ;D
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two - 20 February
Post by: AMRN on May 11, 2008, 09:39:37 AM: Quote from: Bodddders on May 09, 2008, 07:41:26 AM

By the way couldn"t see Dan Phillips on the list?

I took solace from this, as it makes my ONE POINT look huge!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two - 20 February
Post by: Jon MW on June 28, 2008, 21:12:27 PM: The Rankings are up to date to 28th June
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two - 20 February
Post by: Jon MW on June 28, 2008, 21:13:55 PM: And I have filled in some

Interesting Ranking Trivia

in my

Interesting Ranking Trivia

post now

it"s just after the rankings list - you can"t miss it.

and it is interesting
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two - 20 February
Post by: Jon MW on July 18, 2008, 21:29:28 PM: The rankings are up to date to the 16th July
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: biffa85 on July 22, 2008, 11:09:07 AM: Not sure if it matters in the salightest, but I"m shown as "northern region" but competed in the "eastern" region.

;D
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: Jon MW on July 22, 2008, 11:30:08 AM: Quote from: biffa85 on July 22, 2008, 11:09:07 AM

Not sure if it matters in the salightest, but I"m shown as "northern region" but competed in the "eastern" region.

;D

It still says Eastern in the regional part so that"s what matters.

Funnily enough I did notice that your region had changed in this update, but as the regional championship was over for this year I didn"t bother querying it.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: Jon MW on July 22, 2008, 11:31:52 AM: I"ve changed it back to "Eastern" on this one as well now.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: MintTrav on August 04, 2008, 02:01:41 AM: What is the rationale in reducing Darren Shallis" points just because he has done better than anyone else in live tournaments? Seems to be a contradiction - maybe you meant you would add a bonus because he had done better than anyone else. The cap should be on the on-line tournaments; the lower the better. There seems to be a huge number of them compared to the live events, and they have much fewer participants. Certainly the points should be weighted towards the live events. Anyone can win a few online games, but it takes a lot more ability to win one of the live events.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: Mikeyboy9361 on August 04, 2008, 08:57:04 AM: Anyone can win a few online games?? Will someone tell me how to do it then! I have actually only managed to final table one out of about 8 attempts, but final table two live events out of 4. By the way it says on the list that I am western, it should read Northern.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: scouse3465 on August 04, 2008, 13:43:03 PM: Quote from: MintTrav on August 04, 2008, 02:01:41 AM

What is the rationale in reducing Darren Shallis" points just because he has done better than anyone else in live tournaments? Seems to be a contradiction - maybe you meant you would add a bonus because he had done better than anyone else. The cap should be on the on-line tournaments; the lower the better. There seems to be a huge number of them compared to the live events, and they have much fewer participants. Certainly the points should be weighted towards the live events. Anyone can win a few online games, but it takes a lot more ability to win one of the live events.

this has got to be the worst comment i have ever read!!
considering the online tournamants always have a good turnout between 40 and 100 and the some of the regional have been 1 / 2 table tourney were you can sit out for points !!
Also some people cannot go to regional cos too far to travel so lose out on the chance to get any points! Using myself as an example i lived in N ireland when regional on and none in ireland! If i had have played in any of the 1 table regional i would surely have enough points to be leading rankings overall!
The online tournies everyone has the internet so no excuse not to play it is purely choice!
I really cannot believe some one thinks regional points are harder to accumalate they online points!!
Please if people disagree or agree leave a comment !!
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: kinboshi on August 04, 2008, 14:07:43 PM: Rigged imo.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: tumblet on August 04, 2008, 14:49:41 PM: Quote from: MintTrav on August 04, 2008, 02:01:41 AM

Anyone can win a few online games, but it takes a lot more ability to win one of the live events.

There are few online events left, so a good chance for you to win outright..

Quote from: scouse3465 on August 04, 2008, 13:43:03 PM

I really cannot believe some one thinks regional points are harder to accumalate they online points!!

+1

I think there is probably a big re-think of the points to come for season 3. There have been a few threads about points during the season, and the limits set in getting online points v live points, also the points that are awarded in regionals being the same for 20 starting players or 80, and the fact that there are a lot more online points available than live (maybe not true due to 18 points for National win)..

I trust it will be looked into and if Des thinks it needs changing then it will be for the benefit of all members..

Quote from: MintTrav on August 04, 2008, 02:01:41 AM

What is the rationale in reducing Darren Shallis" points just because he has done better than anyone else in live tournaments?

These were the rules at the start of the season, I think Darren of all people would be one of the last APAT members who would get penalised by Des for anything, hes been a big supporter from Day 1...
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: HaworthBantam on August 04, 2008, 14:50:30 PM: I was under the impression that the points system was weighted in favour of the online player, and maybe I still do, to some small degree. If that was truly the case though, then the top of the table would be dominated by those online players. Yet both Darren Shallis and Simon Auckland, to name two, are both up there having got most of their points "live".

To say that "anyone can win a few online games" is a little off the mark, and even if it were true, a few wins online isn"t going to take you to the top of the rankings.

As I said earlier, I was sceptical of the weighting towards the online player at the start of the season, and maybe it needs a little tweaking for season 3. But imho, Des and the team got it pretty close to spot on this season.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: kinboshi on August 04, 2008, 15:01:58 PM: Quote from: Kinboshi on August 04, 2008, 14:07:43 PM

Rigged imo.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: scouse3465 on August 04, 2008, 18:10:58 PM: i think points structure good and tourneys all good!
the only tweakin would be points on basis of players entered in live and online!
Yep some of the regionals had good numbers of runners but some were struggling to get more than 10 players there fore they get points for just turning up.
And to win the overall you are at a significant disadvantage if you live no where near a regional tournament, u ahve tried to adress it for out players in n ireland putting des in touch with a club in n ireland so our n irish players have a chance to participate. But obviously threr will always be people who cant make regionals because of distance. Online tourney are avaialable to all so no exscuses! Also APAT get quite a lot of money from Blue square and the more people play them the more APAT get for the next year so they should be supported!
Also the top three in overall rankings are regional champs i believe !!
I prefer live poker for the social benefits and believe it is better to play in than sat at your screen. I just want to re itterate this was not a dig at APAT cos i think tourney online and live a top notch it was a dig at the point of online having easy points when it is obviously harder to win an online tourney than majority of regionals just simply cos amount of runners!! anyway roll on the rest of the season and good luck to all !!
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: Bodddders on August 04, 2008, 18:12:28 PM: Just checked back over the season. I"ve played in 30 online events and managed three final tables. 3rd and 5th twice. Easy to get online points - your "aving a laugh.

???
Or maybe I"m just cr*p.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: MintTrav on August 10, 2008, 13:35:54 PM: Quote

this has got to be the worst comment i have ever read!!

Wow - the worst comment ever! - and with my first venture onto to the messageboard (other than a couple to do with exchanging seats, etc). I thought it would take me ages to achieve that level. Is there any point in me going on now that I have already achieved the pinnacle? You guys sure don"t make any allowances or give an easy welcome to a new poster.

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I really cannot believe some one thinks regional points are harder to accumalate they online points!!

For some reason you have tried to create an impression that my post was about Regional events. Where did I mention Regional events? I was thinking of the Nationals, where there are up to 200 players. Now, I hope this isn"t the second-worst comment ever, but there is no doubt in my mind that winning one of those is much more difficult than an online event. If you don"t agree, then you don"t agree, but I cannot see how anyone could think otherwise.

Combined with that, each player could take part in a maximum of 7 National, 5 Regional & 50 Online scoring events. So not only are the Nationals harder to get points in, there are hardly any of them compared to the vast number of Onlines. It would be difficult to play 50 games and not collect a few points, whereas the majority of people will go home from the Nationals with none (though having had a great experience).

I can"t disagree that Regionals with fewer runners don"t deserve the same points as those with larger fields. I am not actually terribly concerned whether they do or not, or about the points race, and haven"t bothered to play any of the Online games (though I might start now). I just couldn"t understand why Darren Shallis" points were cut back. Seems like his achievement in winning a National is undermined somewhat if it is rewarded less than someone winning an Online game. What will happen if he wins again in London? I guess his lowest live points score would drop off and he would only benefit by the difference. He could get to the final table and not get any additional points at all.

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These were the rules at the start of the season

Well, yes, we know - the question is why? I haven"t seen an answer to my question, which was why is there a cap on live points? Is there any cap on online points, seeing as they are so much easier to come by? It seems inequitable that the live games are capped but there is no mention of the same for online games. I know the rules won"t be changed now - the rules for this season are obviously the rules for the season. And I don"t have any complaints - the APAT events are great. This is just another contribution to the discussion about the points for next season.

I"ll await Mr Scouse"s reaction with trepidation.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: APAT on August 10, 2008, 13:55:42 PM: FWIW, I agree with John (MintTrav) that National points are harder to accrue than online points.

That said the reason that a cap was put on live events ahead of S2 was simply because a number of players were unable to get seats at National events, which were selling out within a minute or two of going on sale. Therefore; with up to 18 points per National, it could have proved a distinct advantage for players who were able to "click" into National seats due to super fast broadband, etc. Similarly not every player had reasonable access to Regional venues.

Points allocation is an area that will be reviewed ahead of S3 being finalised.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: scouse3465 on August 10, 2008, 20:07:30 PM: Firstly John welcome lol !!
When i read the post it felt like a dig at online points when all can play em and there is always plenty of runners, and i will totally agree the nationals are best tourney and always full so points are definatley fair 1 point for every 10 players roughly! And these are very hard to get in top 18 , for 1 i have never done it.
I not sure about darren points bein docked which prob shouldnt but rules are rules, i was actually discussing this topic with him the other day and he didnt mention about losing points?
I think the online games are bread and butter of the APAT for points and finacial aspects of the game. Would the nationals be as good , i e no buy in ,free buffet etc without sponsorship of blue square. Also 4 games a month is not a lot to play and u dont have to play em all to do well!
I didnt want to sound as harsh as i did john but i believe the more competitive games there are, online and live the better to find the best/most dedicated and of course lucky player for apat champion.
Seriously fella i see your point about live is harder if you on about nationals.
Online are not as good as live i agree too but they are required for the ease of playin and to get a better player at the top !! Obvious cream rises to top that is why i am winning !! And by the way that comment was very much tongue in cheek lol !! Anyway welcome again and i am sure you will let me buy you a beer while we can discuss it in london
and same goes for you des i would be very happy to give ides etc for season 3 if you dont mind me bending your ear ??

woop woop
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: Jon MW on August 10, 2008, 20:27:44 PM: Darren hasn"t lost any points, or been docked any points, the rule is that only the top 5 live points count.

It might only be semantics but I think losing points and docking points is, and should, be associated with penalising people obviously that"s not what this rule is about.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: APAT on August 10, 2008, 20:41:50 PM: Quote from: scouse3465 on August 10, 2008, 20:07:30 PM

Firstly John welcome lol !!
When i read the post it felt like a dig at online points when all can play em and there is always plenty of runners, and i will totally agree the nationals are best tourney and always full so points are definatley fair 1 point for every 10 players roughly! And these are very hard to get in top 18 , for 1 i have never done it.
I not sure about darren points bein docked which prob shouldnt but rules are rules, i was actually discussing this topic with him the other day and he didnt mention about losing points?
I think the online games are bread and butter of the APAT for points and finacial aspects of the game. Would the nationals be as good , i e no buy in ,free buffet etc without sponsorship of blue square. Also 4 games a month is not a lot to play and u dont have to play em all to do well!
I didnt want to sound as harsh as i did john but i believe the more competitive games there are, online and live the better to find the best/most dedicated and of course lucky player for apat champion.
Seriously fella i see your point about live is harder if you on about nationals.
Online are not as good as live i agree too but they are required for the ease of playin and to get a better player at the top !! Obvious cream rises to top that is why i am winning !! And by the way that comment was very much tongue in cheek lol !! Anyway welcome again and i am sure you will let me buy you a beer while we can discuss it in london
and same goes for you des i would be very happy to give ides etc for season 3 if you dont mind me bending your ear ??

woop woop

I"ll be at the bar Steve ;)
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: Chipaccrual on August 10, 2008, 20:43:39 PM: Quote from: Jon MW on August 10, 2008, 20:27:44 PM

Darren hasn"t lost any points, or been docked any points, the rule is that only the top 5 live points count.

It might only be semantics but I think losing points and docking points is, and should, be associated with penalising people obviously that"s not what this rule is about.

I think that"s spot on Jon. It"s Darren"s top 5 live points that count and that is where the focus should be.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: MAIR on August 10, 2008, 21:53:55 PM: When are the rankings due to be updated?

PS: Im down as Region: Eastern

Don"t think I should be, Im from Edinburgh
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: scouse3465 on August 10, 2008, 22:41:11 PM: nice speakin to you online tonight !! minttrav (john)
good to see darren no points deducted but can see why live points where but there aint much chance of someone pointing in 5 ! Cos nationals are tough and u sure need a slice of luck to get threw such a tough field!
And would be good if rankings up dated so we know were we all at going into last few games please!! i know its tough john but if it helps i am on 58 lol
And see you at bar des but thats the norm innit lol ;)
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: APAT on August 10, 2008, 23:10:17 PM: We are awaiting the last two online results, which we should get early this week. Updates to follow, but things are pretty tight on a number of fronts.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: MintTrav on August 11, 2008, 02:20:27 AM: Yes, good to come across you tonight Scouse. What a coincidence, that we would be on the same online table today after all this. How did you do after I got myself knocked out? I went and played a direct qualifier for GUKPT. 5th out of 30 so no seat, though I got my entrance fee back so wasn"t too unhappy. Thinking about it afterwards, I already had the entrance fee before I played. If that was what I wanted, I could have watched telly instead.

Jon - if it helps with your calculations, my points should work out at 892.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: scouse3465 on August 12, 2008, 14:19:03 PM: nice one des hopefully there still be lots of potential champs going into london for the final event adds to the excitment!
And cheers minttrav was a strange co incidence but nice lol !
i ended up 6th 7th no cash so no joy lost a race ended up short pushed with ace in cut off ran into kk lol no ace!
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: Jon MW on August 25, 2008, 16:45:45 PM: The rankings have been updated up to and including the UK Open

36 online points left (including the Dutch Open which has run but we have not got the official results for yet)
18 live points left
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: scouse3465 on August 25, 2008, 20:03:38 PM: good work john , the only change at top was linda gettin a third i believe!
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: Jon MW on August 25, 2008, 21:07:54 PM: Quite a few of the players near the top scored points, but this mainly just shortened the gaps between them and the lead rather than any major changes in ranking.

It keeps them still in the hunt is the most important thing.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: linziwan on August 26, 2008, 15:05:03 PM: Quote from: Jon MW on August 25, 2008, 16:45:45 PM

The rankings have been updated up to and including the UK Open

36 online points left (including the Dutch Open which has run but we have not got the official results for yet)
18 live points left

Think I was the only one in the top ten that got points in the Dutch Open... 3rd place 7points... think that puts me ..... oooohhhhhh lovely equal second... roll on the Nationals... ;D
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: Jon MW on August 26, 2008, 15:07:49 PM: Quote from: linziwan on August 26, 2008, 15:05:03 PM

Quote from: Jon MW on August 25, 2008, 16:45:45 PM

The rankings have been updated up to and including the UK Open

36 online points left (including the Dutch Open which has run but we have not got the official results for yet)
18 live points left

Think I was the only one in the top ten that got points in the Dutch Open... 3rd place 7points... think that puts me ..... oooohhhhhh lovely equal second... roll on the Nationals... ;D

You know what, with a run like yours they might just consider you for the England International Team.

If you wanted to play it.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: Jon MW on September 06, 2008, 17:17:46 PM: The rankings have been updated to include the World Champs at the Vic - only the online World Championships left.
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: Jon MW on September 27, 2008, 14:29:23 PM: Sorry for the delay - as always - the rankings are now complete
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: Chelsea on September 27, 2008, 19:01:06 PM: Thanks Jon, top job. How many players scored points in season two?
Title: Re: APAT National Rankings - Season Two
Post by: Jon MW on September 27, 2008, 19:04:05 PM: About 600