Amateur Poker Association & Tour
Poker Forum => Live Poker => Topic started by: TightEnd on March 25, 2011, 09:24:30 AM
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Structures for each event can be found here (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=tWjudDRKRal-OA708l-SNXg&authkey=CIjk7-UF#gid=0)
Travel tips for Newcastle can be found here (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=8081.0)
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Teams in the UK & Ireland Home International Team Championship will be captained by the following players:-
England A - Jack Prime
England B - Steve Bayliff
Scotland A - Stuart Oliver
Scotland B - Louis Manson
Wales A - Steve Roderick
Wales B - Darren Shallis
Ireland A - John Murray
Ireland B - Ger Smyth Snr
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Teams will be posted here as they are announced.
England A
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Jack Prime Warren Fenwick Glenn Laming Don Roberts Phil Tompkinson
(Non Playing Captain)
England B
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Steve Bayliff Matt McKinlay Dave Howard Andy Kingan
(Playing Captain)
Wales A
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Steve Roderick Dan Owston Dylan Herbert Richard Rudling-Smith
(Playing Captain)
Wales B
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Darren Shallis Warren Jones Ben Young David Rudling-Smith
(Playing Captain)
Scotland A
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Stuart Oliver Chris Kelly Ian Burnett Grant Speirs
(Playing Captain)
Scotland B
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Louis Manson Mary Martin David Blacklaw Shug Cairnie
(Playing Captain)
Ireland A
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John Murray Ger Smyth Jnr Dawn Dineen Brian Frew
(Playing Captain)
Ireland B
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Ger Smyth Snr David Pilkington Maxine McKinlay Des O"Duffy
(Playing Captain)
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Format teams and timings on here
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=tWjudDRKRal-OA708l-SNXg&authkey=CIjk7-UF#gid=0
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A few questions/suggestions....
As it is the home nations what happens if one of the teams is in a position to win the competition and are up against their fellow countymen (not team mate)? Is team play/ soft play accepted/allowed?
what about in the mtt what happens when there are eight welshmen on the final table is team play allowed.
can I suggest that no countymen play eachother heads up.
My feeling is that soft play may be permissable but not collusion (ie folding the best hand, three bet folding to squeeze a non country man/team mate out of a pot. etc)
It is a team game after all but I think we need strict guidance on this avoid any confusion/misunderstandings
regards
Rudders
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No team play or collusion will be permitted, same as any other APAT event
the HU part of the competition will obviously be drawn so that no two team mates play each other
the SNGs will obviously only have one player per team per table
the MTT will start with no two players from the same team on the same table. After that, as tables break yes it will happen but you are expected to play all out with no soft play.
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soz Rich just to be a pedant- in the HU not just team mates but fellow countrymen too?
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soz Rich just to be a pedant- in the HU not just team mates but fellow countrymen too?
no that"s not the case
In the MTT for sure there will be 1 player from each of the 8 teams on the starting tables
In the SNG its likely
In the HU we"ll try to avoid it
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No team play or collusion will be permitted, same as any other APAT event
the HU part of the competition will obviously be drawn so that no two team mates play each other
the SNGs will obviously only have one player per team per table
the MTT will start with no two players from the same team on the same table. After that, as tables break yes it will happen but you are expected to play all out with no soft play.
I keep reading line 1 again and again ... "No team play ... will be permitted" ... it is a TEAM event ... how is this going to be judged? What are you to do in a marginal spot?
Various points:
Do I need to look to defeat my own team members? - I assume no - but please confirm.
Do I need to look to defeat the "Scotland A" team? - I assume yes - but please confirm.
If towards the end the MTT the title is between say Wales "A" and Scotland "B" can we target Wales "A" over Scotland "A" ... all we would be trying to do is win the event (is this allowed)?
I think everyone agrees that collusion is straightforwardly not allowed - but at the margin trying to win the event may be construed as "soft play" vs any other opponent.
For me it is obvious that you should look to exert pressure on your key opponents - but the flip of that coin is you may as a result favour your other national team or some other team.
Guidance would be great : If that is as simple as no collusion and look to maximise your team"s points that would be great.
Louis
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Ideally, it seems to me, that you should treat it as an individual game but scoring points as a team.
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Guidance would be great : If that is as simple as no collusion and look to maximise your team"s points that would be great.
Pretty much this
Do I need to look to defeat my own team members? - I assume no - but please confirm. Trickiest area, but No explicit collusion permitted. You might not want to beat them but if a situation demands it, then don"t soft play to avoid it. Points system is such (off to check...) that a winner is better than two nowhere finishes
Do I need to look to defeat the "Scotland A" team? - I assume yes - but please confirm. Yes
If towards the end the MTT the title is between say Wales "A" and Scotland "B" can we target Wales "A" over Scotland "A" ... all we would be trying to do is win the event (is this allowed)? No, target both the same. Scotland "A" should not receive any preferential treatment
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On point 3 :
"If towards the end the MTT the title is between say Wales "A" and Scotland "B" can we target Wales "A" over Scotland "A" ... all we would be trying to do is win the event (is this allowed)? No, target both the same. Scotland "A" should not receive any preferential treatment."
If we now change this to Wales "A" and Scotland "B" going for the title ... but we elect to target Wales "A" over say Ireland "A" in order to try to win the competition? If we try to win the competition vs Wales "A" then Ireland "A" in a sense get preferential treatment but it is only becuase of the competition dynamics, it is not that we are trying to favour them or anyone else.
In the orignal example we are seen to favour Scotland "A" but it is just the competition dynamics at work ... surely it is reasonable to look to win the competition.
I don"t want to be in a position where people cry "soft play" when it is actually hard play FTW.
L
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As long as it is competition dynamics, not soft play towards the other team from your country, fine
In practice, a lot of these things are subjective
p.s Do not tell the other Scottish player your hand if heads up in a key spot!
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Great work - Scotland "B" FTW! :)
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And lets be honest here, its going to be Wales+Ireland+Scotland v England anyway. ;D
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And lets be honest here, its going to be Wales+Ireland+Scotland v England anyway. ;D
In before you get accused of promoting collusion.
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And lets be honest here, its going to be Wales+Ireland+Scotland v England anyway. ;D
In before you get accused of promoting collusion.
lol :D :D
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And lets be honest here, its going to be Wales+Ireland+Scotland v England anyway. ;D
No it"s going to be Scotland v Scotland - the rest are playing for 3rd. ;)
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And lets be honest here, its going to be Wales+Ireland+Scotland v England anyway. ;D
In before you get accused of promoting collusion.
Welcome to the new APAT Celtic League ;D
Hang on, that"s gonna get me into bother on a football front. You just can"t win, the worlds gone mad. ;D
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And lets be honest here, its going to be Wales+Ireland+Scotland v England anyway. ;D
In before you get accused of promoting collusion.
Welcome to the new APAT Celtic League ;D
Hang on, that"s gonna get me into bother on a football front. You just can"t win, the worlds gone mad. ;D
Celtic League , wont get many members , lol and yea reading on here today I would suggest the world has gone mad Leigh, lol
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And lets be honest here, its going to be Wales+Ireland+Scotland v England anyway. ;D
No it"s going to be Scotland v Scotland - the rest are playing for 3rd. ;)
Where"s that "Like" button? ;)
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And lets be honest here, its going to be Wales+Ireland+Scotland v England anyway. ;D
yes it will cos england will be 1st and 2nd !
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And lets be honest here, its going to be Wales+Ireland+Scotland v England anyway. ;D
yes it will cos england will be 1st and 2nd !
it"s going to be ireland 1st and 2nd and some unknown country 3rd
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And lets be honest here, its going to be Wales+Ireland+Scotland v England anyway. ;D
yes it will cos england will be 1st and 2nd !
spoken like a true englishman,i mean scouser lol
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So just for clarification it is ok for a team to use one player 4 times in the heads up matches. I only ask as it is something that may happen, and I feel that it is better that it is known by all participants that it is/is not allowed beforehand to avoid any confusion later.
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So just for clarification it is ok for a team to use one player 4 times in the heads up matches. I only ask as it is something that may happen, and I feel that it is better that it is known by all participants that it is/is not allowed beforehand to avoid any confusion later.
That is correct, although depending on how many dealers we have for this, if a match is ready to go, a captain may have to select an "available" player.
so what your saying is each team member plays at least once (4 heads-up matches played) then it"s up to the captain to decide who plays the other 3
That is correct. In previous Euro/World Team events, the captain could select whoever they wanted to play the heads up games. In this, we are stating that every player must play at least one, as for the other three matches, that is down to the captain to decide. (And it"s the captains choice who plays which team)
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Oh the pressure ;D
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there is all ways pressure at the lower ranks of the team, now ger thats a pint of guinness not a budwiser (thank god he"s the gopher on the team and not one of the players) lol
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Interesting interview with Aspers manager here
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/11827701/getting-ready-for-newcastle
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Genius - nearly spilled my drink - I did say nearly
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LOL"d hard at that - nice one glenn. Come on england!!
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vvgood bigfela ......comon ireland
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vvgood bigfela ......comon England
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"That was just for Thursday...." LMAOOOO!!!
And poor Jack. He"ll never live it down. :D
Well done Glenn & COME ON THE IRISH!!!!
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Fantastic stuff Glenn.
"FML it"s Laxie isn"t it" - lol
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Brilliant stuff, made me titter
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Love it Glenn certainly made me chuckle great work.
Oh almost forgot COME ON ENGLAND !
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PMSL very good :~)
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Great work - Scotland "B" FTW! :)
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Quality...Engeeerrrrllllanndd
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vvgood bigfela ......comon England
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hay just note.ist something ....... i said ireland
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Absolutely greeting here Glen, pure golden.
See you all on Friday
Geo
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Only 1 more sleep 8) Stuff ironed and packed so see you all tomorrow (hopefully at the footie if SatNav behaves :o )
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Interesting interview with Aspers manager here
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/11827701/getting-ready-for-newcastle
Just seen this :)
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This is just to get us warmed up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZGVCjf6B8c
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This is just to get us warmed up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZGVCjf6B8c
;D
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Wish I was there :(
gl Ireland!!
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Wish I was there :(
gl Ireland!!
do you wan"t me to send the genie in the lamp to grant your every wish
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GL to all taking part today :)
TID Ireland :-*
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GL to all playing but espesh England! :)
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Wish I was there :(
gl Ireland!!
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soooo tempted to drive up...
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soooo tempted to drive up...
DO IT
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soooo tempted to drive up...
I"ll warn security, Nandos, bar staff and the Village People Appreciation Society meeting in Eldon Square.
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soooo tempted to drive up...
I"ll warn security, Nandos, bar staff and the Village People Appreciation Society meeting in Eldon Square.
wont be drinking so will be on my best behaviour, promise :)
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Any Luton style bans on trainers at Aspers Newcastle?
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Any Luton style bans on trainers at Aspers Newcastle?
Nope....it"s Newcastle after all. ;D
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most of the people in newastle shop at sports direct, banning trainers would make the casino go out of business