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Post by: Des on January 03, 2008, 23:35:13 PM




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Post by: kinboshi on January 04, 2008, 09:14:01 AM



I agree.
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Post by: Jon MW on January 04, 2008, 09:18:44 AM




I agree.


I think you"re both wrong
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Post by: APAT on January 04, 2008, 10:01:08 AM
Let"s not be hasty in making a judgement.  At least consider the point.
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Post by: Jon MW on January 04, 2008, 10:46:40 AM


Let"s not be hasty in making a judgement.  At least consider the point.



That"s not a point - it"s a full stop.
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Post by: kinboshi on January 04, 2008, 11:09:30 AM
To paraphrase someone else, this thread is like me in the rankings...pointless.
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Post by: RioRodent on January 04, 2008, 11:36:56 AM

To paraphrase someone else, this thread is like me in the rankings...pointless.


But makes more sense than some!  ;)
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Post by: MAIR on January 04, 2008, 12:10:08 PM
Seriously spooky :D
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Post by: APAT on January 04, 2008, 12:43:07 PM



Let"s not be hasty in making a judgement.  At least consider the point.



That"s not a point - it"s a full stop.


You sure know how to end a conversation.
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Post by: kinboshi on January 04, 2008, 14:05:25 PM




Let"s not be hasty in making a judgement.  At least consider the point.



That"s not a point - it"s a full stop.


You sure know how to end a conversation.


LOL.

You"re not quite sure what to say to start one though... ;D
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Post by: APAT on January 04, 2008, 14:27:52 PM





Let"s not be hasty in making a judgement.  At least consider the point.



That"s not a point - it"s a full stop.


You sure know how to end a conversation.


LOL.

You"re not quite sure what to say to start one though... ;D


C"mon now, don"t labour the point  ::)
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Post by: HaworthBantam on January 04, 2008, 14:39:33 PM







Let"s not be hasty in making a judgement.  At least consider the point.



That"s not a point - it"s a full stop.


You sure know how to end a conversation.


LOL.

You"re not quite sure what to say to start one though... ;D


C"mon now, don"t labour the point  ::)


It"s amazing how you three can make something out of nothing   :D
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Post by: nosey-p on January 04, 2008, 14:45:05 PM








Let"s not be hasty in making a judgement.  At least consider the point.




That"s not a point - it"s a full stop.


You sure know how to end a conversation.


LOL.

You"re not quite sure what to say to start one though... ;D


C"mon now, don"t labour the point  ::)


It"s amazing how you three can make something out of nothing   :D


It's a bit like what's in there heads, nothing     :o
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Post by: kinboshi on January 04, 2008, 15:01:28 PM









Let"s not be hasty in making a judgement.  At least consider the point.




That"s not a point - it"s a full stop.


You sure know how to end a conversation.


LOL.

You"re not quite sure what to say to start one though... ;D


C"mon now, don"t labour the point  ::)


It"s amazing how you three can make something out of nothing   :D


It's a bit like what's in there heads, nothing     :o



Can"t speak for the others, but mine"s full of wood.
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Post by: texfitz on January 04, 2008, 15:14:05 PM
are we not digressing from the OP ?  I think it"s quite valid however open to debate  ::)
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Post by: Jon MW on January 04, 2008, 15:38:07 PM

are we not digressing from the OP ?  I think it"s quite valid however open to debate  ::)


I agree, and I think it should be put out to the general APAT membership to decide upon in a vote.

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Post by: Jon MW on January 04, 2008, 15:38:48 PM








Do you:

(a) Agree
(b) Disagree
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Post by: GiMac on January 04, 2008, 15:40:28 PM
It"s a void that certainly requires to be filled. :o
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Post by: texfitz on January 04, 2008, 15:49:33 PM





Do you:

(a) Agree
(b) Disagree



(c) not sure
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Post by: GiMac on January 04, 2008, 15:57:20 PM









Do you:

(a) Agree
(b) Disagree


Of course to answer this you will have to decide if you fall into the "half topic full" or "half topic empty" category of forum member.  :-\
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Post by: kinboshi on January 04, 2008, 16:00:33 PM
You need a third choice in the poll.  Undecided.

I"m going to abstain from the vote, as I think it"s too controversial an issue.  Des has made his point clear, but I think it lacks reasoning or substance.  Definitely not half-full for me.
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Post by: APAT on January 04, 2008, 16:18:58 PM








I thi
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Post by: HaworthBantam on January 04, 2008, 16:30:36 PM

I"m not so sure that Des has made his point clear, I for one cannot see it.

His argument lacks substance and is so transparent I can"t believe that anyone is taking this seriously.

I"m sorry, but I"m going to also have to abstain from the vote.
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Post by: GiMac on January 04, 2008, 16:42:43 PM









I thi


Procrastination is the mother of all evils!!!  ;D
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Post by: kinboshi on January 04, 2008, 16:55:57 PM
Shame this thread came too late for the awards...
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Post by: GiMac on January 04, 2008, 17:07:46 PM

Shame this thread came too late for the awards...


Could be a contender for the 2008 awards though. ;)
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Post by: kinboshi on January 04, 2008, 17:27:27 PM


Shame this thread came too late for the awards...


Could be a contender for the 2008 awards though. ;)


Contender?  Close the competition now, it"s a done deal.
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Post by: texfitz on January 04, 2008, 18:28:08 PM
But surely this thread can"t even be considered until :-

1. After said debate, if it is  impelmented, impelimanted, carried out

2. Des's OP is taken seriously and all concerned to act accordionly
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Post by: H-Man81 on January 04, 2008, 19:16:08 PM
Do you ever think, and I don"t mean to be controversial here, that you guys possible have too much time on your hands  ???  ;D
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Post by: APAT on January 04, 2008, 19:24:58 PM
Some of them definitely have Alan, you are right.  Not me though.  I was trying to save time with the original post.
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Post by: kinboshi on January 04, 2008, 19:27:29 PM
I couldn"t disagree with you less.
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Post by: Jon MW on January 04, 2008, 20:18:42 PM

... I was trying to save time with the original post.


That"s true, not bothering to type anything into a post will save a lot of time.
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Post by: kinboshi on January 04, 2008, 20:43:52 PM


... I was trying to save time with the original post.


That"s true, not bothering to type anything into a post will save a lot of time.


You reckon it"s saved time and effort this time round?

From invisible acorns...
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Post by: Jon MW on January 04, 2008, 21:21:43 PM








The Emperors New Thread


Once upon a time, in a land far away there lived an Emperor...
(http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=5;type=avatar)
... who was so exceedingly fond of fine pronouncements that he spent vast sums of time on posting on the APAT forum. To him posts meant more than anything else in the world. He took no interest in his army, nor did he care to go to the theatre, or to drive about in his state coach.

In the great forum where he lived life was gay and strangers were always coming and going. Everyone knew about the Emperor"s passion for policy announcements.

Now one fine day two swindlers ...
(http://www.blondepoker.com/images/uploadimages/news/tighty.jpg)

(http://www.blondepoker.com/files/images/tikay_1_0.thumbnail.jpg)

... calling themselves spin doctors, arrived. They declared that they could make the most magnificent Forum Thread that one could imagine; words of most sophisticated and subtle eloquence. Not only were the words so beautiful, but they had the special power of being invisible to everyone who was stupid or not fit for his position.

"What a splendid idea," thought the Emperor. "What a useful post to have. If I had such a thread I could know at once which of my people is stupid or unfit for his position."

So the Emperor gave the swindlers large sums of money and the two spin doctors set up their laptops in the palace. They demanded the finest wine and the finest gold and they pretended to work at their MS Word. But they put nothing in the hard disk. The document stood empty. The wine and gold they stuffed into their bags. So they sat pretending to type, and continued to work at the empty laptop till late into the night. Night after night they went home with their money and their bags full of the finest wine and gold. Day after day they pretended to work.

Now the Emperor was eager to know how much of the announcement was finished, and would have loved to see for himself. He was, however, somewhat uneasy. "Suppose," he thought secretly, "suppose I am unable to see the words. That would mean I am either stupid or unfit for my position. That cannot be," he thought, but all the same he decided to send for his faithful old minister to go and see. "He will best be able to see how the document looks. He is far from stupid and splendid at his work."

So the faithful old minister...
(http://www.apat.com/images/gallery04.jpg)
...went into the hall where the two spin doctors sat beside the empty hard disk pretending to work with all their might.

The Emperor"s minister opened his eyes wide. "Upon my life!" he thought. "I see nothing at all, nothing." But he did not say so.

The two swindlers begged him to come nearer and asked him how he liked it. "Are not the words exquisite, and see how intricate is the wordplay," they said. The poor old minister stared and stared. Still he could see nothing, for there was nothing. But he did not dare to say he saw nothing. "Nobody must find out,"" thought he. "I must never confess that I could not see the stuff."

"Well," said one of the rascals. "You do not say whether it pleases you."

"Oh, it is beautiful - most excellent, to be sure. Such beautiful formatting, such exquisite colours. I shall tell the Emperor how enchanted I am with the announcement."

"We are very glad to hear that," said the spin doctors, and they started to describe the colours and word play in great detail. The old minister listened very carefully so that he could repeat the description to the Emperor. They also demanded more money and more gold, and Guinness, saying that they needed it to finish the post. But, of course, they put all they were given into their bags and pockets and kept on working at their empty hard disk.

Soon after this the Emperor sent another official...
(http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=21;type=avatar)
... to see how the men were getting on and to ask whether the announcement would soon be ready. Exactly the same happened with him as with the minister. He stood and stared, but as there was nothing to be seen, he could see nothing.

"Is not the formatting beautiful?" said the swindlers, and again they talked of "the wordplay and the exquisite colours. "Stupid I certainly am not," thought the official. "Then I must be unfit for my position. But nobody shall know that I could not see the document." Then he praised the words he did not see and declared that he was delighted with the colours and the marvelous word play.

To the Emperor he said when he returned, "The post the spin doctors are preparing is truly magnificent."

Everybody in the city had heard of the upcoming announcement and were talking about the splendid post.

And now the Emperor was curious to see the costly stuff for himself while it was still upon the laptop. Accompanied by a number of selected ministers, among whom were the two poor ministers who had already been before, the Emperor went to the spin doctors. There they sat in front of the empty document, pretending to type more diligently than ever, yet without a single word upon the page.

"Is not the pronouncement magnificent?" said the two ministers. "See here, the splendid wordplay, the glorious formatting." Each pointed to the empty page. Each thought that the other could see the words.

"What can this mean?" said the Emperor to himself. "This is terrible. Am I so stupid? Am I not fit to be Emperor? This is disastrous," he thought. But aloud he said, "Oh, the announcement is perfectly wonderful. It has splendid formatting and such charming metaphors." And he nodded his approval and smiled appreciatively and stared at the empty page. He would not, he could not, admit he saw nothing, when his two ministers had praised the document so highly. And all his men looked and looked at the empty page. Not one of them saw anything there at all. Nevertheless, they all said, "Oh, this post is magnificent."

They advised the Emperor to start a new thread with this post immediately.

"Magnificent." "Excellent." "Exquisite," went from mouth to mouth and everyone was pleased. Each of the swindlers was given lots of Guinness and the title of "Knight of the Laptop".

The rascals sat up all that night and worked, burning more than sixteen candles, so that everyone could see how busy they were finishing the pronouncement ready for the new thread.

There was great excitement in the palace and the Emperor"s new thread was the talk of the town. At last the spin doctors declared that the post was ready. Then the Emperor, with the most distinguished gentlemen of the court, came to the spin doctors to start his new thread. Each of the swindlers took it in turn to press ctl+A (even though there was nothing to select) and ctl+C (even though there was nothing to copy) before jointly pressing ctl+V (even though there was nothing to paste), before allowing the Emperor with his majestic authority to click on Save.

"Magnificent," cried the ministers, but they could see nothing at all. Indeed there was nothing to be seen.

And so the the Emperors New Thread was posted, with his new grand announcement.

It was a great success. All the people standing by in IE and Firefox cheered and posted, "Oh, how splendid is the Emperor"s new thread. What a magnificent allegory! How well the metaphors fit!" No one dared to admit that he couldn"t see anything, for who would want it to be known that he was either stupid or unfit for his position?

None of the Emperor"s posts had ever met with such success.

But among the crowds a dashing cowboy ...
(http://www.pokerlistings.com/photos/large/jonathan-woodfield/jonathan-woodfield-8897.jpg)

... suddenly gasped out, "But it hasn"t got anything in it." And the people began to whisper to one another what the cowboy had said. "It hasn"t got anything in it." "There"s a dashing cowboy saying it hasn"t got anything in it." Till everyone was saying, "But it hasn"t got anything in it." The Emperor himself had the uncomfortable feeling that what they were whispering was only too true.

"Maybe I should have all their heads cut off" he said to himself.

But instead he decided to put on a series of low entry fee, deep stack, long blind, poker tournaments instead.

And everybody lived happily ever after.
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Post by: Swinebag on January 04, 2008, 21:26:03 PM
So this how you get gold/platinum status?
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Post by: Waz1892 on January 04, 2008, 21:34:12 PM


To paraphrase someone else, this thread is like me in the rankings...pointless.


But makes more sense than some!  ;)


mmhhh..a lil dig i think.. ??? :"(    valid one tho!  :)
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Post by: HaworthBantam on January 04, 2008, 22:10:16 PM

Ah, such a wonderful tale of collective ignorance, by our own Hans Christian Woodfield.

A masterpiece, sir, a masterpiece.

;D  ;D  ;D
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Post by: APAT on January 04, 2008, 22:28:57 PM
Absolutely barking! .....but you score big in the creativity department  :D
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Post by: Waz1892 on January 05, 2008, 09:22:10 AM
now THAT is post of the year....Class Jon pure class
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Post by: kinboshi on January 05, 2008, 10:52:20 AM
Jon - stop taking those pills.
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Post by: Jon MW on January 05, 2008, 19:27:55 PM
Given all the evidence, that was just what I calculated to be the most likely reason for the original post.

Was that not the case then?
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Post by: APAT on January 05, 2008, 19:31:16 PM
I don"t know...I didn"t post it  ;D
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Post by: Jon MW on January 05, 2008, 19:42:18 PM

I don"t know...I didn"t post it  ;D



... I was trying to save time with the original post.


So you were trying to save time by getting somebody else to post it then presumably?

That pretty much fits in with my story ;D
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Post by: APAT on January 05, 2008, 20:00:17 PM
Actually it"s more complicated than that.  The post was made by a bot which pulls poker news stories from the net and delivers them here.  Couldn"t have been a big news day on the 3rd!  :D

Now if only I could find some bot dealers....
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Post by: Jon MW on January 05, 2008, 20:09:27 PM

Actually it"s more complicated than that.  The post was made by a bot which pulls poker news stories from the net and delivers them here.  Couldn"t have been a big news day on the 3rd!  :D

Now if only I could find some bot dealers....



So my supposition was a bit out then?
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Post by: SirPercival on January 05, 2008, 20:39:57 PM
Is the opening post a picture of Des buying drinks at the bar?
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Post by: kinboshi on January 05, 2008, 20:56:14 PM

Is the opening post a picture of Des buying drinks at the bar?


If that"s the case, the glass is definitely not half-full...
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Post by: Waz1892 on January 05, 2008, 21:20:13 PM
completely off the main point i know, and not wishing to diverse from this hot debate, but Mr Kinboshi....I just saw your "baby pic" that you have on your post..on You"ve Been framed....just thought I"d mention it....

sorry.....carry on with the debate......
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Post by: Maxriddles on January 05, 2008, 22:49:41 PM
How many posts until this becomes the hottest topic to date?
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Post by: texfitz on January 06, 2008, 12:27:30 PM

How many posts until this becomes the hottest topic to date?


yours could well be the last one
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Post by: Jon MW on January 06, 2008, 13:48:50 PM

How many posts until this becomes the hottest topic to date?


lol - a lot

http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?action=stats (http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?action=stats)

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Post by: kinboshi on January 07, 2008, 10:48:38 AM
Male to Female Ratio:     13.9:1

That"s disappointing.

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Post by: tumblet on January 07, 2008, 11:00:06 AM

Male to Female Ratio:     13.9:1

That"s disappointing.


Very   >:(
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Post by: APAT on January 07, 2008, 11:20:15 AM

Male to Female Ratio:     13.9:1

That"s disappointing.




80% of members have not personalised their profile, so the above number is completely inaccurate.
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Post by: kinboshi on January 07, 2008, 12:00:15 PM


Male to Female Ratio:     13.9:1

That"s disappointing.




80% of members have not personalised their profile, so the above number is completely inaccurate.


..and yet probably very accurate.
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Post by: Swinebag on January 07, 2008, 12:58:39 PM



Male to Female Ratio:     13.9:1

That"s disappointing.




80% of members have not personalised their profile, so the above number is completely inaccurate.


..and yet probably very accurate.


agree. with a 20% sample from a 2800 population. i"d be very surprised to see much difference in the ratio from what it is now if everyone put their details in.

remember opinion polls for elections are very accurate and they normally ask much less than 1% of the electorate

so, as kin said.....

"disappointing"

unless your name is mike matusow
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Post by: Jon MW on January 07, 2008, 13:33:32 PM




Male to Female Ratio:     13.9:1

That"s disappointing.




80% of members have not personalised their profile, so the above number is completely inaccurate.


..and yet probably very accurate.


agree. with a 20% sample from a 2800 population. i"d be very surprised to see much difference in the ratio from what it is now if everyone put their details in.

remember opinion polls for elections are very accurate and they normally ask much less than 1% of the electorate

so, as kin said.....

"disappointing"

unless your name is mike matusow


But does it mean:

(a) Over 90% of poker players are men
(b) Over 90% of amateur poker players are men
(c) Over 90% of amateur poker players who can be bothered to fill out their profiles are men
(d) All of the above?

I did read an article about Aspers Casino in Newcastle making an effort to make the casino experience a more "women friendly" experience.

Maybe it should be considered an APAT aim to make poker more appealing to women?
Title: Women in poker
Post by: linziwan on January 07, 2008, 14:13:30 PM
It still amazes me that a "women"s only" poker tournament can attract 100+ entrants but a lot of ladies still feel uncomfortable playing in mixed tournaments.  Can it be you guys aren"t always on your "best" behaviour....

Seriously it can be a bit intimidating for ladies playing in mixed poker tournaments.  It takes time to get used to handling certain situations and reading players - ie are they bullying you just because I"m a lady... etc

Haven"t you noticed that some of the guys like to use avatars that are female images - could it be that they find guys trying to push them around because of it and find it easier to get chips....

My worst case of being "abused" was from a 70+ "gentleman" who told me......

"..... f"ing woman shouldn"t be playing f"ing poker, f"ing women shouldn"t even be f"ing allowed in the f"ing poker room.  F"ing women only know how to play f"ing cards not f"ing poker..... "  etc etc etc......

Takes time getting used to being able to handle that sort of situation and if a lady comes across that or a milder version of it, it can put her off.

So remember guys, good behaviour at the table makes playing the game a lot nicer in the long run for everybody.
Title: Re: Women in poker
Post by: Jon MW on January 07, 2008, 14:27:34 PM

...
Haven"t you noticed that some of the guys like to use avatars that are female images...
...


I do that on Full Tilt. :)


...
could it be that they find guys trying to push them around because of it and find it easier to get chips....
...


erm, no. I just liked the picture. :-[
Title: Re: Women in poker
Post by: APAT on January 07, 2008, 14:32:59 PM

It still amazes me that a "women"s only" poker tournament can attract 100+ entrants but a lot of ladies still feel uncomfortable playing in mixed tournaments.  Can it be you guys aren"t always on your "best" behaviour....

Seriously it can be a bit intimidating for ladies playing in mixed poker tournaments.  It takes time to get used to handling certain situations and reading players - ie are they bullying you just because I"m a lady... etc

Haven"t you noticed that some of the guys like to use avatars that are female images - could it be that they find guys trying to push them around because of it and find it easier to get chips....

My worst case of being "abused" was from a 70+ "gentleman" who told me......

"..... f"ing woman shouldn"t be playing f"ing poker, f"ing women shouldn"t even be f"ing allowed in the f"ing poker room.  F"ing women only know how to play f"ing cards not f"ing poker..... "  etc etc etc......

Takes time getting used to being able to handle that sort of situation and if a lady comes across that or a milder version of it, it can put her off.

So remember guys, good behaviour at the table makes playing the game a lot nicer in the long run for everybody.


I hope you haven"t found this to be the case with APAT.  If such a thing ever happened, the culprit would be ejected from APAT immediately.
Title: Re: Women in poker
Post by: HaworthBantam on January 07, 2008, 15:03:24 PM


It still amazes me that a "women"s only" poker tournament can attract 100+ entrants but a lot of ladies still feel uncomfortable playing in mixed tournaments.  Can it be you guys aren"t always on your "best" behaviour....

Seriously it can be a bit intimidating for ladies playing in mixed poker tournaments.  It takes time to get used to handling certain situations and reading players - ie are they bullying you just because I"m a lady... etc

Haven"t you noticed that some of the guys like to use avatars that are female images - could it be that they find guys trying to push them around because of it and find it easier to get chips....

My worst case of being "abused" was from a 70+ "gentleman" who told me......

"..... f"ing woman shouldn"t be playing f"ing poker, f"ing women shouldn"t even be f"ing allowed in the f"ing poker room.  F"ing women only know how to play f"ing cards not f"ing poker..... "  etc etc etc......

Takes time getting used to being able to handle that sort of situation and if a lady comes across that or a milder version of it, it can put her off.

So remember guys, good behaviour at the table makes playing the game a lot nicer in the long run for everybody.


I hope you haven"t found this to be the case with APAT.  If such a thing ever happened, the culprit would be ejected from APAT immediately.


Ohh, I"d like to see somebody try that with Caz, they wouldn"t know what hit them !!  :D  :D  :D
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Post by: kinboshi on January 07, 2008, 15:25:58 PM

Maybe it should be considered an APAT aim to make poker more appealing to women?


Already got some ideas for that Jon, to market APAT to the ladies.  Will be running them buy Des this weekend.

I think it"s an ideal vehicle for female players to get into live poker.  In fact, it"s ideal for all players looking to get into live MTTs without a huge buy-in.

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Post by: AMRN on January 07, 2008, 16:10:17 PM
I don"t see the difference - whether the player be male of female, they"ve given their buy in, they have chips, and they are occupying a seat at my table. They will be dealt two cards, and could bust me or double me up.  Are women weaker than men? Ask Margaret Thatcher!!

Personally I always like to play at a mixed table (in live games) as the ambience is generally better, and the neanderthal men are often better behaved.

And as for online poker, who knows whether your up against a man, women, or something in between!!

Should there be Women Only tourneys? In my opinion, NO! This just advertises the divide!  If equality is the aim, why make a point of making an environment for women only? To counter this and to retain quality you would have to create a men only tourney, and that would probably land us all in the EU court of human rights!!!!
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Post by: lukybugur on January 07, 2008, 18:05:42 PM
My wife Julia played in the APAT Regional in November and really enjoyed it. She wasn"t at all intimidated by the majority-Male room and even thought she was treated better than she would have been if she were a man when her mind wandered onto shoes in the middle of a hand she thought she had folded. She felt the guys were too polite to ask if she was planning on making a decision any time soon.

I was getting more hassle about her being there as she apparently proved that she was a much better player as she outlasted me by about 4 minutes and one place!  :) Lasting longer just makes her more patient in my book!  ;D

Do I recommend bring your wives to Poker? Yeah! Just as long as Jim Lang"s wife keeps him locked in the house!!
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Post by: kinboshi on January 07, 2008, 19:18:27 PM

I don"t see the difference - whether the player be male of female, they"ve given their buy in, they have chips, and they are occupying a seat at my table. They will be dealt two cards, and could bust me or double me up.  Are women weaker than men? Ask Margaret Thatcher!!

Personally I always like to play at a mixed table (in live games) as the ambience is generally better, and the neanderthal men are often better behaved.

And as for online poker, who knows whether your up against a man, women, or something in between!!

Should there be Women Only tourneys? In my opinion, NO! This just advertises the divide!  If equality is the aim, why make a point of making an environment for women only? To counter this and to retain quality you would have to create a men only tourney, and that would probably land us all in the EU court of human rights!!!!


I agree that poker should be for both sexes, and I too dislike the idea of female (or male) only tournaments.  Poker is a game where both sexes are equal, and creating one-sex tournaments is the wrong approach.

Which is why APAT is a fantastic opportunity for women to play in a friendly environment where they can get used to playing live.  Of course, this goes for men too - and APAT is all inclusive. 

The reason I think APAT can market specifically at women is that it will bring more people to the game, more people to APAT, they"ll be nicer to look at than MickyP, and when we"re done for the day they can clean up whilst the men are at the bar...







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Post by: APAT on January 07, 2008, 20:39:20 PM




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Title: ladies in poker
Post by: linziwan on January 08, 2008, 10:40:47 AM

I agree that poker should be for both sexes, and I too dislike the idea of female (or male) only tournaments.  Poker is a game where both sexes are equal, and creating one-sex tournaments is the wrong approach.

Which is why APAT is a fantastic opportunity for women to play in a friendly environment where they can get used to playing live.  Of course, this goes for men too - and APAT is all inclusive. 

The reason I think APAT can market specifically at women is that it will bring more people to the game, more people to APAT, they"ll be nicer to look at than MickyP, and when we"re done for the day they can clean up whilst the men are at the bar...







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LOL love it, unless you get knocked out too and end up at the bar with Dewy.... now that is an experience... ;D

But I do agree that poker is better played in a mixed atmosphere and APAT the perfect place for all genders to start playing tournament poker.  APAT is run well and I know that the guys would never allow any abuse to take place. 

Unfortunately there are only so many seats available and its difficult enough now to get a seat at a national tournament.... can you imagine another 100 people (all ladies trying to buy in....).  Clickfest would be meltdown... LOL

The Ladies Poker Tour that took place last year actually cost £100 to enter.  It had 6k in starting chips and was for one day only with most of the tournaments being near capacity.  So the ladies are out there and willing to play.
So the problem is getting the message across that APAT is a friendly place and just as good a tournament to enter as the Ladies events....

......Des..... how many more can you fit into the tournments... LOL
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Post by: kinboshi on January 08, 2008, 10:56:06 AM

The Ladies Poker Tour that took place last year actually cost £100 to enter.  It had 6k in starting chips and was for one day only with most of the tournaments being near capacity.  So the ladies are out there and willing to play.

So the problem is getting the message across that APAT is a friendly place and just as good a tournament to enter as the Ladies events....

......Des..... how many more can you fit into the tournments... LOL



I think that the women playing in APAT (or at least the ones I"ve been on the same table as) are probably amongst the better amateur female players.  Some with a fair bit of experience and skill, and so aren"t daunted by the idea of playing live poker in a casino.

Even though the tournaments are always over-subscribed (the nationals anyway), APAT still needs to continue to attract new members and grow.  Ideally, as well as attracting more male players who are new to live poker, it will also attract a greater proportion of female players than it currently is.

Not sure I"d say all the female players are "ladies" though... ;D
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Post by: HaworthBantam on January 08, 2008, 12:10:47 PM

When will we be seeing michelle at an APAT event Daniel ?
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Post by: kinboshi on January 08, 2008, 12:13:01 PM


When will we be seeing michelle at an APAT event Daniel ?


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