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Re: A Fish and his Chips
« Reply #315 on: May 05, 2011, 11:37:11 AM »


Leigh

In your hand with the KK would it be right to flat call the 480.  If the board pairs on the turn or is a heart then you can get away from it. If it is a blank you can jam because he has enough behind to fold.
I presume you are putting him on a high pocket pair. If the turn card is a black king you are in trouble because you would have to class this as a blank.


That seems very good advice.  You live and learn.  TY.

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Re: A Fish and his Chips
« Reply #316 on: May 05, 2011, 11:45:45 AM »

:2s: :2h: v  qc kc

tc jc th

28.54% v 71.46%


using AJDUK"s flop - Tc Jc Th
8h8s - 43.586%
KdQd - 56.414%
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How much of a dog can you be allin on the flop whilst being ahead on the flop ?


not much comes to mind leigh :) as to getting lower than your bottom 2 pair versus a over pair+FD, ul sir....



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Re: A Fish and his Chips
« Reply #317 on: May 05, 2011, 12:01:41 PM »
using your -  :2h: 9c  tc flop

QcJc - 51.515%
9s2s - 48.485%

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Re: A Fish and his Chips
« Reply #318 on: May 05, 2011, 12:04:30 PM »
Are you sure you understand the question?
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Re: A Fish and his Chips
« Reply #319 on: May 05, 2011, 12:30:05 PM »

Are you sure you understand the question?


LOL. Was thinking much the same!

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Re: A Fish and his Chips
« Reply #320 on: May 05, 2011, 12:36:04 PM »

Are you sure you understand the question?


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How much of a dog can you be allin on the flop whilst being ahead on the flop ?


i hope i"m reading it right trav :)  how far can u be behind but ahead on flop , i put up as close as 50/50 but just ahead, i dont think AJDUK"s deuce deuce can be beat 28.53 v 71.46 , can u beat it?

i was thinking about leighs J8 versus KK , tried to get closer 50/50 but ahead  sorry i should of explained  :)
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Re: A Fish and his Chips
« Reply #321 on: May 05, 2011, 14:09:18 PM »
dont know about on the flop but there is this classic on the turn

:2h: 7s on a   :3d: :3h: 4c 4d flop and turn v  5s 6d is winning on the turn but drawing dead to a split pot on the river
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Re: A Fish and his Chips
« Reply #322 on: May 05, 2011, 14:12:26 PM »
Ahead on the turn, but at best you"ll chop it on the river.  That is sick.

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Re: A Fish and his Chips
« Reply #323 on: May 05, 2011, 14:45:43 PM »
 :2d: 7s v 5c 6c with a flop of  :3c: :3h: 4c is: 28.38% v 64.34% (7.27% split)
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Re: A Fish and his Chips
« Reply #324 on: May 05, 2011, 16:16:12 PM »

:2d: 7s v 5c 6c with a flop of  :3c: :3h: 4c is: 28.38% v 64.34% (7.27% split)


the split % should be equally divided between the two and so becomes 32.02% v 67.98%

by your method  :2s: :2h: v  qc kc on a flop of  tc jc th is 28.08% v 71.01% (0.91% split)

Interestingly John"s matchup of  ah :2s: v  7c 8c on a flop of  9c tc 5h (29.09% v 70.91%) might be the worst you can get that cannot end up in a split?

The answer to all this must be on the net somewhere lol.
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Re: A Fish and his Chips
« Reply #325 on: May 05, 2011, 16:33:29 PM »
I"ve had a quiet day at work and have spent a fair while entering info into the "Internet Hand Odds Calculator" and think your probably right!!  ???

Oh well, at least it helped the afternoon pass  :P
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Re: A Fish and his Chips
« Reply #326 on: May 05, 2011, 17:31:27 PM »


:2d: 7s v 5c 6c with a flop of  :3c: :3h: 4c is: 28.38% v 64.34% (7.27% split)


the split % should be equally divided between the two and so becomes 32.02% v 67.98%

by your method  :2s: :2h: v  qc kc on a flop of  tc jc th is 28.08% v 71.01% (0.91% split)

Interestingly John"s matchup of  ah :2s: v  7c 8c on a flop of  9c tc 5h (29.09% v 70.91%) might be the worst you can get that cannot end up in a split?

The answer to all this must be on the net somewhere lol.


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Re: A Fish and his Chips
« Reply #327 on: May 05, 2011, 17:49:04 PM »

I"ve had a quiet day at work and have spent a fair while entering info into the "Internet Hand Odds Calculator" and think your probably right!!  ???

Oh well, at least it helped the afternoon pass  :P


no you worked it out ok thinsy, the main difference between the two methods is that equity combines the odds of win and tie into a single fractional pot-win number that is easier to work with, but breaking it down to win/tie/loss gives a much better picture of a hand"s true strength.[hard to do in heat of moment :)]
when you start getting into range vs range analysis, then because equity normalizes those wins/ties into a single number,it makes the math easier... pokerstove anyhows will break it down for you so that you can see your overall equity as well as your win/loss/tie percentages in the window below...

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Re: A Fish and his Chips
« Reply #328 on: May 05, 2011, 21:49:34 PM »
my head hurts

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Re: A Fish and his Chips
« Reply #329 on: May 06, 2011, 10:34:20 AM »
Research shows that only 23.36% of poker players use this method when making a decision and 74.23% of players tend to play on instinct alone. Suprisingly, only 32.44% of players take into account what their opponent may have and, even more astonishingly, a mere 12.45% of players will "play the player". To sum up, 1.21% of people reading this will actually believe some of this and 98.74% of people really couldn"t give a.......   %%%%

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