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How not to play JJ??
troubled joe:
Morning all, wanted people"s thoughts on a big hand I made a right pig"s ear of in last Thursday"s MTT at Dusk Till Dawn.
I"m not great at recalling the exact detail of hands I"ve played (one of the many reasons I"m a fairly mediocre poker player!), but here goes:
We"re at level 4, blinds 100/200, and I"ve recently tripled up to around 12k in chips from starting stack of 4k. It"s a full 9-player table
UTG - with similar stack size to me - raises to 600. He"s been moderately aggressive, but doesn"t appear to have done anything particularly out of line. I have JJ in the SB - a hand that always gives me trouble. Put him on a genuine premium hand and elect just to call (my first mistake?) as does the BB.
Flop comes all undercard rags with a couple of hearts. Concerned that UTG might have a bigger pair than me, I decide to put out a feeler bet of around 2/3 of the pot. BB folds, UTG makes suspiciously small raise, just more than double my bet (from memory, I think I bet 1,200 and he raised to 2,600). Having now convinced myself he has a bigger pocket pair, I still decide to flat call (again, is this wrong?).
Turn produces another low card, but a 3rd Heart. Decide to have another pop, representing strength (a flopped set or flush; don"t think he"d put me on an overpair) and bet around half the pot - about 3,500. He flat calls. Now - to be honest - I feel quite lost, but still feel he has a bigger pair that he doesn"t want to fold, but is afraid to push with due to fears I may have him beat with a flush or set.
River is a blank and - with around 6k left and the pot more than twice as big - I feel I should push, but instead check and - of course - he pushes. I think for an age before folding and he shows.....?
Any thoughts/advice?
lukybugur:
whaddid he show? whaddid he show?
troubled joe:
Lol - not just yet. Want to get a bit of feedback first. What do you reckon?
Zanshin:
IMHO your call pre-flop was a mistake unless you were only planning to continue if you hit your set. You say you put him on a genuine premium hand so you should have folded and if you were not sure you should have raised for info.
Now the flop is undercard rags you still do not know where you are in this hand as the BB could have any 2 cards. Putting out a feeler bet is ok and it gets rid of the BB but the small raise by the UTG player would have me out of the pot. You are saying you are now convinced he has a bigger pair than you so I don"t understand why you are calling.
Now the 3rd heart hits the turn. If you are sure he was not on a Flush draw then I suppose a bluff here representing the flush may work but if I was the UTG player I don"t think I"d believe it. I"m also not sure the UTG player wasn"t on the flush draw as his small raise on the flop represented a made hand but could also have been a flush draw hoping to take down the hand there or gain a free card on the turn if he missed his flush.
His flat call of you 3,500 looks like a made flush now.
Although I think the hand was poorly played throughout I think you had to check fold the river and guarantee you are still in the game.
As for what he had I"m going with AhKh or AhQh but he probably showed something like a pair of black 10"s. :-\
kinboshi:
I like that analysis in the whole.
I don"t mind the pre-flop call, there are many favourable situations for you after the flop, and you have enough chips to call and have a look. His raise of 2xBB isn"t huge.
You don"t know if he"s on AK or TT (or anything else) at this stage. On the flop, I might look to check-raise, and then be done with the hand if he comes back over the top. That way you save yourself from that fLoudering feeling on the later streets when you have no idea where you are (we"ve all been there).
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