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easy decision early on? Call or fold?
UKChamp:
--- Quote from: deanp27 on January 10, 2008, 17:40:44 PM ---
some good responses so far, as i thought most people erring on the side of folding.
My initial read preflop was that she had 10s, Js or AK. I was sure she didn"t have KK or AA as she would have shoved on me preflop and initial raise was inconsistent with her previous raise with KK out of position against me. I do think 600 is an overraise in this situation despite a limper UTG and i dont think she wanted action.
I also think she couldn"t put me on a wide range. She had no reason to think that i was squeezing or reraising light as i had no previous form of this, plus it would be a ballsy move with such early position action in the hand.
Her flat call of my reraise more or less confirmed that my initial range was pretty bang on.
But as stated, even if i have her range spot on this is still a tough spot. I could be flipping here. I have the pot odds to call but should i turn down these spots and look for "better spots" with my 8k stack - i think this is at the crux of the analysis really.
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I agree, I think generally we all say the same thing.
Re above:
1. Would she really push preflop AA/KK - how is she going to get paid - with bet, call, raise, reraise - what can call that? AA/KK?
2. Do people bet in the same way all the time?
3. To me putting somebody on a squeeze is more led by situation than past performance. If anything, the fact you havent before gives your more credibility and scope to try it. I for one wouldnt instantly put you on a tight range.
biffa85:
Her flop push screams at Ahkos.
deanp27:
--- Quote from: biffa85 on January 11, 2008, 09:16:38 AM ---
Her flop push screams at Ahkos.
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it does - therefore do you call?
biffa85:
It really depends on whether you are willing to take the bet to get a large stack, or would rather fold and preserve a reasonable stack. I would agree that calling is a pos EV move, but does entail risk, folding no risk.
Personally I would probably fold most of the time in this situation, as I"m sure even with this hit you can rebuild your stack in better positions.
;D
deanp27:
by the way I called for 5250 (leaving me 175 chips )
she flipped ah kd
Turn tc
River :as: boo
then it was the first break. I went out the hand after.
I also think the ridiculous way that they proposed to use the sit-out"s stack (they changed their mind about 3 times) also put me on a bit of tilt.
I posted the hand for a number of reasons:
* Analysis of hand ranges
* Pot odds/equity against those ranges
* Reasons for folding/calling based upon the above
* Issue of gambling tourney life so early by CALLING
* I can"t stop bloody thinking about it
The people at the table thought i made a great call, but i am not so sure, even though i love having a big stack.
i am happy with my preflop play and my read of her range - but still not sure about my call.... still swaying on the side that i did do the right thing and the fact that i am being results orientated perhaps?
I think i would call in a cash game much quicker (stacks were equivalent) and also online, but that fact was i came along way to go out so early.
should these other factors other than the fact it was a +EV call be so major?
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