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Des:


- Players can rebuy into the game once during Phase 1.

Is the Apat 5% fee applied to rebuys

DD:  No, don"t envisage that.

- Tables will be kept balanced.

A move could prove to be either very beneficial or critical for a player, for example, a player is chipleader at table A and is moved to table B (potentially with few hands remaining before cut for phase 2) where his stack is dwarfed by two or more players at this super soft table. See next point for more on this.



-At the end of the three hours, the two players with the most cash on each table will qualify through to Phase 2.

Why not just top 10 chip counts over the 5 tables? Would it be really unfair to be eliminated ahead of a shorter stack who happened to place 1st or 2nd at a table where both players had marginally improved their stacks?


DD:  Agreed.  A further option would be to play the Phase 1 tables in shootout style.  Again, what do you guys think?  The beauty of a trial is we can discuss upfront and test any format.

Des:

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- Tables will be kept balanced.

A move could prove to be either very beneficial or critical for a player, for example, a player is chipleader at table A and is moved to table B (potentially with few hands remaining before cut for phase 2) where his stack is dwarfed by two or more players at this super soft table. See next point for more on this.



-At the end of the three hours, the two players with the most cash on each table will qualify through to Phase 2.

Why not just top 10 chip counts over the 5 tables? Would it be really unfair to be eliminated ahead of a shorter stack who happened to place 1st or 2nd at a table where both players had marginally improved their stacks?



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I think Brendan has a point. If arbitrary or "next BB" movements apply, the concept of the top two qualifying could be blown up by a big stack moving. What if a few players got tired of being run over and left at the same time from one table and the other two biggest stacks got moved to that table? Maybe table-balancing could be achieved by moving the smallest stack.

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We"ll take feedback before making a final call on this.  Ultimately we wouldn"t want to go with a concept that didn"t work.

Des:

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Hi all,

- Players can exit the game at any point, but in doing so they forfeit their Grinder payment.


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If a player leaves the game, can a new player join? ie an alternate

Agree with the top 10 going through irrespective of which table they are on.

Would be an interesting last few hands as there could be some multi all ins to tray and get to phase 2 and similar at the end of phase 2


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Yes, a new player could join at any point during Phase 1.

Top 10 - to be discussed.

Agreed, a player who has made a decent profit in the first phase may choose to stand and take his winnings rather than get involved in the final half hour of what could be mayhem.  The dynamics will be interesting for sure.

wawre:
Will there be a buffet?

Joker161:
I"m surprised at the £9 max for the rake. In Vegas you can sit down at a $1/$2 table with $300 and the rake will be the same 5%, but with a maximum of $5. Basically nearly every significant pot had a $5 rake.

I think a £5 max would be fairer, so any pot over £100 would have the same rake. I shouldn"t think there would be that many pots over £100 (perhaps towards the end - see above), so perhaps it wouldn"t make much difference. I can"t do the Maths off the top of my head, but how much of the total money on all tables will end up in the Dealers" trays? It was always disconcerting in Vegas, during a long cash session, how often the Dealer needed change for his/her tray. The stacks of $1 chips that appeared was essentially the rake for the last hour or so.

I agree with the points made above about table balancing (moving the smallest stake makes sense) and taking the top 10 stacks. Imagine being the 3rd highest stack, but the only two bigger stacks are on your table - gutted!

Sounds great. I"m almost looking forward to going out on Day 1!

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