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Cash Tour 2012
Des:
--- Quote from: Honeybadg on December 20, 2011, 18:19:49 PM ---
Great idea - allow (a few) more re-buys??
Only starting 100BB"s deep.
I would drop the Grinder"s payment - you may create some odd incentives for the final table - if someone has built a mega stack by say 8.30pm they could dwell/fold their way to the £500.
Why not have 50 runners from start to finish - top profit wins a trophy?
Why kick out 40 runners after three hours?
L
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Some of the elements that we"re proposing are to create a tournament dynamic of sorts; but with players playing with their own cash. I think it introduces a lot of unknown variables (greed, panic etc) and I could see the final"s being streamed live for their drama.
That said we have four week prior to doling out the cash chips. Plenty of time to add or amend the format depending what is suggested in this thread.
Des:
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on December 20, 2011, 18:30:34 PM ---
It"s always nice to see some innovation and I have no problem with a trial.
It"s not something I can see myself playing and for that reason I find it a shame that, if successful, this will replace the Side Events.
Yes, I know that, apart from DTD, they"ve nearly all been PLO but at least something other than NLHE is being offered. How are we to promote the spreading of other poker variants if we dump the side events in favour of what is, in effect, already being offered by the casino...to wit...a HE cash game?
The Side Events were a reason for me, and many others, to hang around on Sunday after, as usual, bombing out of the Main Event thus making the trip a little more value for money. It would be a BIG shame to see them go.
Notwithstanding that I won"t be partaking, I do find the idea of rake being taken in what is essentially a tournament somewhat disturbing. This looks like a definite money maker (ahem) for the Casino but -EV for the players.
I"m also disturbed by APAT charging a fee.
I"m assuming since APAT are taking the fee that this is not a mis-named casino fee (they"re already getting a GENEROUS rake FFS). If this is an APAT event it should be reg free....it"s the APAT ethos.
If it is a casino fee I think it would be more appropriate to increase this to a more standard % and cut the rake.
Like I said, I won"t be playing in this...I"ll be trying to get Side Event SNG"s off the ground...or at the bar. ;D
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Agreed on side events and I"ve commented elsewhere that I find it unlikely that this will replace those games.
The APAT fee is solely as titled. as a five year old "business" in a tightening market, it makes sense that we assert some control in managing our income. The Cash Tour if it happens, will not be heavily APAT branded, and will work to a different financial model. Remember this concept won"t exist online, so is unlikely to generate sponsorship in the same way that the APAT tour does.
Remember also; and I haven"t seen anyone suggest this yet, there is no reason why the Cash Tour could not be positioned as dealer"s choice.
Des:
--- Quote from: wawre on December 20, 2011, 16:58:33 PM ---
Will there be a buffet?
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I"ve stayed out of that negotiation in favour of Tighty. :)
In all seriousness, probably not.
Paulie_D:
--- Quote from: pables on December 20, 2011, 19:12:34 PM ---
I have spoken to the Rendezvous card room and they inform me that they are still running their own tourney on the Sunday which is
£45 Super Turbo Freezeout
£6 reg
20,000 chips1
15 minute blinds
£1500 guaranteed with 15 players from the start
If you wanna steer clear of cash like me ;D
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Not exactly the same as a side event IMO...more frikkin HE.
Unless I"m Day Twoing...I"ll be heading home...shame really.
Des:
--- Quote from: Delboy on December 20, 2011, 19:01:30 PM ---
Its a very interesting idea Des. Here are my thoughts:
The rake/ fee and Jackpot (Grinder payment) combo make it a very expensive game to play and long term - ev for the players. I would suggest a jackpot drop from each pot over say £20 to add to the Grinder pool for the prize. The rake seems fine but I dunno about the fee aswell.
The idea of balancing tables is fine, surely they would self balance anyway as the big stacks will want to go where the money is? The Jackpot is, after all a bonus, the main idea is to make money.
The time limit is about right.
I"m not too worried about the 100bb start. Its deep enough and replicates online.
Are we allowed to do deals for the jackpot?
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Thanks Del and good idea with regards the Grinder drop. The only point that I would make on that is that we want players to be "invested" in the idea of being the last person standing / biggest cash winner. That"s the unknown dynamic in this game. Perhaps it will become a crazy gambling game at certain points and some will stand and walk away with their stack, perhaps not. I think I"d like to see the Grinder element retained for the trial to see what happens, but your idea certainly has merits.
With regards deals, I think it would be better for the game if the Grinder payment was a unique final prize. As someone said above, it"s a £20 last longer effectively.
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