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Can We Check Back A Set On A Wet Board In This Scenario?
deanp27:
Not clicking it back in a £20 live game because he"ll peel some of the time which puts us in a tricky spot witha vulnerable hand. You are probably thinking too high level for the general standard of play in my experience
Pitchie:
I"m never flatting ~20bb"s pre with 99 in this spot. Get them in the middle!
Now we hit this flop I also lead out and call the all in.
AAroddersAA:
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Also, just a point to Mark, I dislike clicking it back (we are never folding if we do) because he maybe shoves some hands that he would fold if we shoved (AQ and AJ being possible examples also KQs and KJs type hands) and we end up in a race where it would have been much better to just take down the pot preflop. Again my thinking could be off here would like to here different opinions. What are the advantages to clicking back over shoving?
Cheers
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This is the exact reason why I like clicking it back. Never with the intention of folding but I wanna give him the opportunity to jam all his pocket pairs 88 and below and random Ax type hands that we are in great shape against. This may involve more races against overcards but think we crush him enough of the time that I prefer it to just shoving.
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He MAY jam 77 or 88 (it"s a bad play but I make enough of them so he might too). He probably still folds Ax (we are talking A9 and below here). When did you last see Ax 4-bet jam at APAT level (it"s rare, might happen at higher levels). Ax folds if you click back and it folds if you jam. There are not many hands you can trap here and be happy about it.
He is far more likely to 4-bet jam hands you are a coin flip against than hands you crush, but he may well have folded these hands to a shove (this is still bad as it should be obvious you are not folding but people will do it), which you don"t want. I am only going to click it back in this spot with a really big hand here (maybe just AA).
MintTrav:
I thought the flat steps in prize-money might influence some of the replies. Most tournaments have accelerating step-ups, so there is a big incentive to finish 1st. Usually a 1st + a 4th in repeat tournaments would outweigh two 2nd places, whereas in this two 2nds are equal to a 1st + 3rd.
Could also mention that this tournament always ends in a 2-way, 3-way or 4-way chop around 3-3.30am, and it was 3am, so it was unlikely that it would play out to a winner. [Not enforced by the casino - it"s just what the players there always do].
[Please provide all information etc - yeah I know].
I Q8Holds I:
--- Quote from: Mikeyboy9361 on December 22, 2011, 12:16:10 PM ---
Defo see a case for flatting Pre, but never checking back here, its all going in quicker than a very quick thing!
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