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QQ in BB
PHIL_TC:
So we lead out on the flop... onto an extremely wet flop.
We"ve basically broadcast our hand range pre with the raise.
You don"t think a decent player would re-raise you on that flop? Are you prepared to get it all in (looking at stack sizes) on that flop to a re-raise or are you raise / folding?
Personally I think you"re wondering into a world of pain leading out. Just my opinion x
deanp27:
--- Quote from: david3103 on March 19, 2012, 12:40:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: deanp27 on March 19, 2012, 11:31:38 AM ---
1200 pre, as played checking is a disaster. Bet 1700 and snap off the 7k guy. If lady checkraises I would consider folding.
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I"m not disagreeing, but what do we gain by making it 1200 rather than 1050?
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150 more chips per player lol
It"s just slightly bigger enough to discourage 3/4 action OOP. Some may go bigger, like 1500 but I tend to keep my sizings in general smaller than some live players.
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: PHIL_TC on March 19, 2012, 12:16:56 PM ---
I don"t post in the academy often, so would be interested to know why checking here is a disaster... in my experience a flop like that is hitting a typical limp / callers range? Suited connectors, low pocket pair set mining etc?
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Versus a limping range of ..
TT-22,AJo-ATo,KQo-KTo,QJo,JTo,AJs-A2s,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s,54s, that's a total of 210 combo's
economically weighted towards suited hands and doesn't account for unsuited connectors.
We are in bad shape versus...
44,66,77
sets 9 combo's
76
two pair 3 combo's
6% of that limping range.
We get value from...
88,99,TT
overpair 18 combo's
A7,87
Top pair 6 combo's
A6,56
Mid Pair 6 combo's
22,33,55,45,A4
Weak pair 24 combo's
Various hh holdings
flushdraw 17 combo's
A5,98,
oesd 8 combo's
38% of that limping range.
So we should bet for value and rely on our reads to make a decision if we are raised. I suspect bet / folding is likely to lose less than check / calling.
Betting the flop for 1700 - 1900 targets the weaker end of their range whereas a closer to potsize bet is more likely to fold out those weaker hands.
PHIL_TC:
Thanks Brendan was hoping you"d post something like that.. presuming this is heads up? What about a 3-way pot?
Be interesting to see Dave"s read and how it played out anyway.. I"ve still got a bad feeling x
deanp27:
By nature, I don"t think this would be posted if David had bet the flop and all folded.
Thanks Brendan, you have put what I was trying to say much more eloquently than I could. Although my excuse is that I am at work on my iPhone.
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