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QQ in BB
Jon MW:
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--- Quote from: deanp27 on March 19, 2012, 11:31:38 AM ---
checking is a disaster
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I don"t post in the academy often, so would be interested to know why checking here is a disaster... in my experience a flop like that is hitting a typical limp / callers range? Suited connectors, low pocket pair set mining etc?
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So if they bet out do you assume you"re behind and fold?
PHIL_TC:
--- Quote from: Jon MW on March 19, 2012, 12:30:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: PHIL_TC on March 19, 2012, 12:16:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: deanp27 on March 19, 2012, 11:31:38 AM ---
checking is a disaster
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I don"t post in the academy often, so would be interested to know why checking here is a disaster... in my experience a flop like that is hitting a typical limp / callers range? Suited connectors, low pocket pair set mining etc?
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So if they bet out do you assume you"re behind and fold?
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No.... as I said...
--- Quote from: PHIL_TC on March 19, 2012, 11:12:37 AM ---
On a wet flop like this I"m slowing the feck down... limp callers ranges all over.
Im check calling the flop and see what the turn brings x
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Just wondering exactly what range you"re putting the limp callers on? x
deanp27:
Because it might hit one of them doesn"t mean we can"t bet our hand for value vs a whole host of smaller pocket pairs, one pair hands and draws. It"s a fairly narrow range that beats us and we still in great shape vs some of our opponents value hands.
If you are check/calling, you might as well take the lead and bet yourself. In fact I"d prefer to check fold than check/call.
Jon MW:
Also if you check call on the flop, they check back after you on the turn - you"ve just given anyone you"re beating every chance to fairly cheaply outdraw you on the river.
EDIT: and it"s a pretty wide range.
OP said the first bettor is passive - so he might have a fairly wide range, not necessarily the expected limp call range.
The SB made up the blind because it was cheap then called the reraise because the original limper called and she had good odds.
i.e. the original limper might have a much better hand than you might expect and the sb might have a much worse one.
pokerpops:
--- Quote from: deanp27 on March 19, 2012, 11:31:38 AM ---
1200 pre, as played checking is a disaster. Bet 1700 and snap off the 7k guy. If lady checkraises I would consider folding.
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I"m not disagreeing, but what do we gain by making it 1200 rather than 1050?
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