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AAroddersAA:
As there were some very good reponses to the thread I posted yesterday I thought I would do another one.

ljpuster = VP$IP: 41% / PFR: 10% / 3-Bet: 6% (Over 61 hands)
Me playing about 52/39/23 with a 4-bet of 6%

No notes on ljpuster and honestly don"t know how he doubled through. I have been playing VERY LAG and taking down loads of pots to the stage where everybody must have noticed it. I have not folded to 3-bets pre at all I don"t think.

We are 500BB effective stacks here and we have AA on the button. These aces are not very good though, it"s effectively two holdem hands. When it folds to me I raise as the hand is certainly good enough to raise the button.

Small Blind 3-bets me to 15BB and I the 4-bet to 46BB. Thought"s on this play? Is it poor given the stack sizes as I can"t really get much money in compared to stack sizes and I am probably rarely going to flop that good, but I am in position. The BB calls me. What sort of hands do we think the BB has here?

On a side note if he really wants to go for it with these stacks and pots me again should I consider folding? (I honestly have no idea on the answer to this question)

Flop comes down - BINK. I flopped the nuts with blockers to the flush draw. I could not really ask for much more than that. I put out a near full pot bet on this board. Is this good or bad? My opponent calls. Do we like my play and what sort of hands do we think are calling us here?

The turn card is good for me but does put another flush draw out there. He checks to me again. I bet out close to the full pot as I really need to protect the hand here. Do we like this play? Would anybody do anything different, what does my opponent have (I was confused at this point).

River is a horrible card for me and now all kinds of hand beat me. My opponent shoves. Do you call? What do you think he has?

How have I played the hand? Would you play it different pre or on any of the streets. What are we putting our opponent on and do we call the river (we have to I think but would anybody fold)?

PokerStars Hand #76632102162:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2012/03/04 16:15:59 WET [2012/03/04 11:15:59 ET]
Table "Juhani V" 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: 33teetwo33 ($64.11 in chips)
Seat 2: Olegann ($17.06 in chips)
Seat 3: ljpuster ($50.89 in chips)
Seat 5: nePeBo34uk ($28.60 in chips)
Seat 6: royaldave19 ($49.55 in chips)
Olegann: posts small blind $0.05
ljpuster: posts big blind $0.10
33teetwo33: posts the ante $0.02
Olegann: posts the ante $0.02
ljpuster: posts the ante $0.02
nePeBo34uk: posts the ante $0.02
royaldave19: posts the ante $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 33teetwo33 [7d Ac Ah 8d]
nePeBo34uk: folds
royaldave19: folds
33teetwo33: raises $0.35 to $0.45
Olegann: folds
ljpuster: raises $1.05 to $1.50
33teetwo33: raises $3.15 to $4.65
ljpuster: calls $3.15
*** FLOP *** [9c 6d Td]
ljpuster: checks
Grek777 joins the table at seat #4
33teetwo33: bets $9
ljpuster: calls $9
*** TURN *** [9c 6d Td] [5c]
ljpuster: checks
33teetwo33: bets $25
ljpuster: calls $25
*** RIVER *** [9c 6d Td 5c] [Tc]
ljpuster: bets $12.22 and is all-in
33teetwo33: Hates Life?

Paulie_D:
Steve,

Firstly, you might get better responses to your individual questions if you don"t give us the full details all at once.

Perhaps just post the flop, get some answers...then the turn, ask more and the finally the river. Just a suggestion.

Now...on with it.

Unsuited aces are just asking to get outdrawn and so I don"t 4 bet here but I understand your reasoning. That said, in previous threads you mention that players define their hands as AA in situations such at these and you seem to have done the same.

Once the flop comes down it"s pot pot pot all day long, same on the turn.

As you said, the river is horrible but with something like $75 in the pot and only $12 to call I think you have to make it crying all the way.

AMRN:
I don"t mind your play on all streets to be honest.  Calling the 3b pre would not be optimal - keep the aggression going with the 4b.  He"s  probably expecting you to c-bet most of the time, so he won"t necessarily believe you just flopped the nuts. Having called your pot bet on the flop, he"s probably calling all the way, so definitely right to pot the turn.  The river is irrelevant - you"re both totally committed anyway - the fact that it"s a horrid card for you should not stop you making a pretty trivial call, and if he"s got there, then well played him, reload, and take it all back

AAroddersAA:
The response on these hands are excellent, thanks guy"s this part of the forums needs the be used more.


--- Quote from: Paulie_D on April 20, 2012, 10:14:21 AM ---
Unsuited aces are just asking to get outdrawn and so I don"t 4 bet here but I understand your reasoning. That said, in previous threads you mention that players define their hands as AA in situations such at these and you seem to have done the same.

--- End quote ---

I agree. My range in close to being just AA, although I MIGHT sometimes 4-bet a double suited rundown, AA makes up a LOT of my range here. I am not sure how I should be responding to a 5-bet either, which is the main issue with the 4-bet. If I had say Ac10cAdJd I would know I could shove over the top of the 5-bet but if he is holding a hand like that I don"t have enough equity to continue. Should I be worrying about this?

You said that you would not 4-bet and I think there is some merit to this because of the stack sizes. Most of the time the hand won"t flop very well. Is it an auto 4-bet 100BB deep?

Steve thinks this is a 4-bet and I still slightly favor that approach as I am on the button. I think it"s just a call out of position. I should be +EV playing the pot in position though.

As Played:-
How do you respond if he pots it over the top of the 4-bet pre? Is this really a hand we want to get 500BB in with preflop?

AMRN:

--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on April 20, 2012, 12:17:10 PM ---
As Played:-
How do you respond if he pots it over the top of the 4-bet pre? Is this really a hand we want to get 500BB in with preflop?

--- End quote ---


This is the bit where I fall apart. I"m a Holdem player who is trying to convert to Omaha, and as a HE player, I just don"t have it in me to fold AA preflop. So yes, probably very wrongly, I would get it in here.

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