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AQ stars 180 man

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Bigfella42:
Villains played it badly he"s just lucky you had top 2. With top pair or the bare Q you just call the 150 river bet normally i find those small bets are made with weak hands more than strong ones.

AAroddersAA:
Would love to see VP$IP/PRF values for him here. I will assume he is a decent type player at this level. FWIW Stu should have a big edge on this sort of player

Preflop

I sort of want to shove in these as you often get called by hands like AT, KJ, KQ and other dominated holdings. It"s not awful if he has a pair either. If you shove you expect two folds usually but effective stacks are too large, if you have starting stack then it is an easy shove. I would probably call too in this spot, the fact you have a decent edge makes it more of a call. My plan is very simple though. If I hit top pair on a decent board I am basically stacking off if I need too.

Flop

We hit TPTK on a decent board, I now want all the chips in the middle at this point.

We have a pot of 525 (3 way). I am certainly ignoring the bet of 50 and raising to about 400 for value, again I am pretty much expecting two folds. When he calls I 100% believe I am ahead. He might have a queen or be getting stubborn with a mid pair, KT is also in his range. I am NOT putting him on a set at all (it"s possible but really unlikely) or QJ unless I have reason too (I have no history so I don"t). What do I put him on? These types of hand:-

Q8, Q9, QT, QK, KT, KJ, AJ (I actually don"t think AJ is that bigger part of his range but he could have it).

He calls and we go to the turn.

The Ace is a bad card for us really. KT now beats us and the weaker Queens now may not pay us. I might just call the daft bet of 150 and then call whatever he bets on the river, this also slightly underreps my hand and I may pick off a river bluff, the weak queens in his range are quite likely to fold if raised and the only hands we want to play a big pot against are QJ or AJ (he COULD have AK I suppose). I think I gain more value this way as an ace does not feel like a big part of his range. I am calling here to keep the weaker hands in his range not because I think I am likely to be beaten. Also there is not much to protect my hand from, the flush draw is really unlikely and the str8 draw already got there.

Swinebag:
I disagree that his small lead on the flop means a set. Whilst sets are possible they are minor considerations for me compared to the classic donkey ploy to get to a cheap showdown or to try and complete a draw.

Agree that an A is not the greatest turn card for you, but no Shane in stacking off in what is basically a bit of a cooler.

Plenty to put in the notebook here though

Fatcatstu:
Cheers for the replies all, its all been taken note of and filed :)

I tend to just flat raises when i have AJ/AQ type of hands now, as more often than not I wont like flops that i see really, this is a major step away from my "usual" game which wouold have resulted in an insta re raise!!

On the flop, i was 100% convinced i was ahead, the thought of being behind never even entered my head to be honest, and when he bet i thought (as Rob said) that he was trying to get to showdown with some kind of wibbly wobbly holding that he didnt wanna fold, but wasnt too confident in. So i smacked the big raise in (this was my standard sizing, i tend to be a bit bigger than most for some reason) to get rid of the other person who had just flatted it, I had played a fair bit with them and my notes read "passive crap, raise them"  :P

The turn gives me 2 pair, and i got a little sicky feeling in my stomach, but i had already made my mind up that i was getting it in unless something compelling told me not to. It didnt, so i followed my usual reasoning of "well im not folding, so if they want to see the river then they are paying it all :p I dont see the point in messing about the issue!

It is a cooler i suppose and thats not why i posted it, just wanted some feedback.


FWIW the way he played them confuses the hell out of me, but he gots all me chips so cant complain i suppose!

Thanks again, i will do this more often :)

noble1:

--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on May 22, 2012, 00:35:46 AM ---

On the flop, i was 100% convinced i was ahead, the thought of being behind never even entered my head to be honest, and when he bet i thought (as Rob said) that he was trying to get to showdown with some kind of wibbly wobbly holding that he didnt wanna fold, but wasnt too confident in.

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define the range you are wishing to get value from, and ask yourself how that range will react... have a reason for your bet sizes in every situation....

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