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evilpie:
Thanks for the responses. It"s good to know that I was on the right lines and didn"t make the stupidest move I possibly could.

I didn"t put him on an over pair to my tens because like Haworth said is he really going to risk it so soon after having aces cracked. I was thinking probably a big ace that had missed and he was hoping that I"d fold.

The result was that I shoved, BB folded, position 2 called with his trip 2"s. I lost and went to play on the cash tables  :) :)

The thing that"s bothered me afterwards is whether my initial raise was ever going to be big enough to see off the original limper? If he was prepared to put 400 into an 800 pot with 6 still to act then there"s a good chance he will put the extra 800 in when there"s no further action pre flop. Even without the BB calling it was going to cost him 800 in to a pot of 2000 so slightly better pot odds than he had before his initial call.

I know that if I were in his position with a pair of 2"s I"d be folding to any raise because you"re only ever hoping to hit the miracle 2 but what about everyone else? I know that his pot odds had improved following the BB calling but not enough to justify chasing a deuce.

Would you have called the raise and BB call?? Then after hitting your miracle 2 would you have bet the pot to potentially get rid of everyone without extracting more chips?

Was this guy a very bad player or a really really good one in a clever disguise??

HaworthBantam:

--- Quote from: evilpie on February 12, 2008, 10:17:48 AM ---
Would you have called the raise and BB call?? Then after hitting your miracle 2 would you have bet the pot to potentially get rid of everyone without extracting more chips?

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I certainly wouldn"t have called the raise in early position with a pair of 2"s. I probably wouldn"t have even limped in, to be honest, it would have been an easy fold. IMHO, the majority of times that player is going to be throwing chips away with that kind of play.

Once he"d hit the flop, however, I thought his play wasn"t that bad. Was he able to put you on an overpair to the board ? Maybe, maybe not. I"d be betting whether I"d hit or not, just in case you do have the overpair - the last thing I"d want to do is give you (and the BB) a free card for you to hit. With my 2"s I"d probably want to be taking the pot there, and counting my blessings that I didn"t have to show the 2"s. Obviously it didn"t work that way, but.......


--- Quote from: evilpie on February 12, 2008, 10:17:48 AM ---
Was this guy a very bad player or a really really good one in a clever disguise??

--- End quote ---


Not sure. I thought his play pre flop was suspect, but post flop was ok.

GiMac:
I think his play both post and pre-flop is ok. We don"t know what percentage of his stack the 800 was for him to call and whilst you say he doesn"t have the pot odds to call, which is correct, he is getting just over 3:1 to call and he will only hit 7.5:1, it isn"t quite the miracle you precieve it to be. If the flop comes like it has and you have AK or AQ he probably takes the pot down there and then and if you have an overpair to the board he takes all your chips, so the implied odds are definitely there. As I said the only gap in our info here is his stack size, but that aside he isn"t as complete a donkey as he initially looks.

George2Loose:
I would definately raise more pre flop.

1200 just isn"t enough to one limper. I would make it at 1600 or maybe 2000.

As far as the flop is concerned his bet is telling you he has either a flopped set or some sort of huge draw.

If he is sneaky his range could even include an over pair QQ+

Fold.

technolog:
You at a loose end this morning George?

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