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Re-Entry or No Re-Entry, that is the question
Waz1892:
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on July 11, 2012, 20:21:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: Waz1892 on July 11, 2012, 20:14:55 PM ---
Please please no. £75 is not cheap but the best offer in the market place.
RE just excludes even more so the average amatuer players bankroll.
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I don"t see this.
If you were only going to fire one bullet anyway then it doesn"t matter than another person can exercise an OPTION to re-enter (not re-buy).....and they are limited to a SINGLE re-entry.
Plus they"ll come in AFTER any existing alternates so it"s quite possible they won"t get in at all.
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IMO it changes the whole dynamic of the event if people play with a strategy of the intention to use the option to re-enter. So they"ll play differently than they would if it was a freeze out.
So players with bigger bankrolls etc will gain more advantage as they"ll play without fear of "doing a don"!
I understand the travelling costs etc and I"ve taken several events where it"s taken my longer to come and go them I played but I know that when I set off!! Skillz that I have and all it"s part n parcel I would struggle to commit to £150 to play in a tournament that I know I"m no where-near the best. But its the chance to win something to compete against better players and to enjoy the superb atompshere at APAt events.
£75 is do-able and a decent amount but for a great day or 2 out.
Sugar_Free:
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on July 11, 2012, 21:07:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sugar_Free on July 11, 2012, 20:56:20 PM ---
I would agree with one re-entry but only in the circumstances of really bad luck
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Can"t see this working as deciding on levels of bad luck that should apply would be, for all intents and purposes, impossible.
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Which is why I detailed them in my post
Jon MW:
--- Quote from: Waz1892 on July 11, 2012, 21:19:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on July 11, 2012, 20:21:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: Waz1892 on July 11, 2012, 20:14:55 PM ---
Please please no. £75 is not cheap but the best offer in the market place.
RE just excludes even more so the average amatuer players bankroll.
--- End quote ---
I don"t see this.
If you were only going to fire one bullet anyway then it doesn"t matter than another person can exercise an OPTION to re-enter (not re-buy).....and they are limited to a SINGLE re-entry.
Plus they"ll come in AFTER any existing alternates so it"s quite possible they won"t get in at all.
--- End quote ---
IMO it changes the whole dynamic of the event if people play with a strategy of the intention to use the option to re-enter. So they"ll play differently than they would if it was a freeze out.
So players with bigger bankrolls etc will gain more advantage as they"ll play without fear of "doing a don"!
I understand the travelling costs etc and I"ve taken several events where it"s taken my longer to come and go them I played but I know that when I set off!! Skillz that I have and all it"s part n parcel I would struggle to commit to £150 to play in a tournament that I know I"m no where-near the best. But its the chance to win something to compete against better players and to enjoy the superb atompshere at APAt events.
£75 is do-able and a decent amount but for a great day or 2 out.
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Not only would the players with bigger bankrolls play without the fear of being knocked out - but they would completely mathematically be correct to do so. There are several situations, particularly deepstacked, where a marginal decision in a freezeout would be a fold because being knocked out of the tournament wouldn"t be worth the risk of the amount of extra equity you would gain by winning the pot. But if you knew you definitely weren"t going to be knocked out of the tournament then obviously the equity gained becomes greater than the risk involved.
I think a re-entry would put off more people then it would attract. There are plenty of people who could afford £75, but they couldn"t afford £150 - and I don"t think it would really be worth the risk of taking your one bullet and pitting it against those with the bankroll who can afford to reload.
Hammerite:
As the person quoted in the original post, I must say I was not party to these conversations over the weekend, and in no way was there any sour grapes from me that led to the conversation starting. I made the mistake of committing all my chips that early on in the tournament and paid a heavy price, but I have learnt from the experience and that can only make me a better player in the future, which is what playing Apat is all about to me, pitting yourself against some of the best amateur players in the country and trying to improve. Believe me I took enough stick in the Shelbourne Bar to last me a life time.
However I am against the Re-Entry option, as I feel all past Apat Champions have had to go through the freezeout option, and I just feel that in the unlikely event of me winning one, my achievement would somehow feel tainted to me if I had re-entered, to me it just would not seem right.
Curlarge:
--- Quote from: Hammerite on July 11, 2012, 22:06:11 PM ---
As the person quoted in the original post, I must say I was not party to these conversations over the weekend, and in no way was there any sour grapes from me that led to the conversation starting. I made the mistake of committing all my chips that early on in the tournament and paid a heavy price, but I have learnt from the experience and that can only make me a better player in the future which is what playing Apat is all about to me, pitting yourself against some of the best amateur players in the country and trying to improve. Believe me I took enough stick in the Shelbourne to last a life time.
However I am against the Re-Entry option, as I feel all past Apat Champions have had to go through the freezeout option, and I just feel that in the unlikely event of me winning one, my achievement would somehow feel tainted to me if I had re-entered, to me it just would not seem right.
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Don is quite right that he wasn"t party to, or involved in, the conversation I had with Des and subsequently Paulie, Ger and JP.
Don"s exit mearly highlighted the worse case scenario of travelling to an overseas event and busting early and it got me to thinking that if we could provide a "safety net" for those who come unstuck, more people might consider the trip.
APAT is all about friendship, and by god we tested Don"s to the max, and I"m pleased to say it appears that I am still his friend, for which I am grateful.
p.s. 2.36pm is forever to be known as "Hammer Time" ;) ;)
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