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One Way Poker - 6th October Trip report.

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j.p.:

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--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on October 08, 2012, 20:55:22 PM ---

--- Quote from: j.p. on October 08, 2012, 20:40:44 PM ---
Laggy here, my terrible squeeze was with Jacks, how did you want me to play it?

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wanted to post on this hand, but refrained. Now that JP has confessed, I have a question for you Jas.

Given your read on the LAG (forget he has JJ), how do you find a fold pre here?

I know the OR called but you would expect that, assuming he has the same read as you. In fact, because OR has not 4 bet, this makes it even more likely that the OR is not crushing you here. This may be a decent spot to back-raise here, which given your image has a fantastic chance of getting the LAG to fold anything as good as QQ

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j.p. Welcome, You played it perfectly sir.  I didn"t read you as strong as that - I thought you could be raising wider, you obviously got your share of hands. Clearly, my radar was way off. :-)

Rob - You make several good points. Happy to talk through if you"re at Sheffield or Bristol UKIPT.

In hindsight, I clearly gave utg too much credit (and JP enough credit to have something). At the time I thought this was marginal with both players in.

I was happy calling JP"s raise (I felt that AQ would play well enough in position against my perception of his range).

I felt the UTG min raise - call line was quite strong (it was a quick call from recollection). The player hadn"t played -raised many hands, not UTG. UTG action was the deciding factor.

I wasn"t happy with the fold - but it"s not necessarily the golden spot it looks like. (Although its a line I"ll always play on-line in the usual low stakes tournies!).

When I call I have to fold on a lot of flops when BB &/ UTG lead. I only hate my fold because A flops and utg folds faster than a rocket.

Don"t think I really considered a re-re-raise here - something to look at.

Perhaps JP can confirm if he folds JJ/QQ here (was stack ~ 20K?). UTG obviously folds now but pre flop before I fold QQ+ is possible. Unlikely but UTG could well have had QQ....I think mid pp/ KQs more likely.

Happy to discuss specifics off-line that I"m not covering explicitly above.

As I said, my Radar was off and I gave too much credit. I"m so getting 3/4 bet at apat events...... :-)

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Don"t worry the hands soon dried up.

As for a reraise, I was 100% sure I was ahead after you flatted the OR and he flatted my 3 bet so I"m not putting either of you on better than JJ in that particular spot, given my read on you both up until that point (I don"t think you are ever flatting behind with a big hand against that particular player, I could be wrong). Ordinarily a 4 bet is enough for me to hate my Jacks but not here. For the record I put you on an ace and OR on 55-88 No idea what he actually had but he folded quick enough to the cbet.

If anyone thinks I"m wrong your thoughts would be appreciated.

poker_jason:

--- Quote from: Swinebag22 on October 08, 2012, 23:04:22 PM ---
Don"t think the fold is terrible btw. It was still pretty early in the tourney and it would be quite a high variance move to commit your stack that early with AQo. By calling you are committing a fair bit of your stack and folding on most flops so probably good that you ruled that out.

I found a great 4 bet spot last night in the APAT league game. J8

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