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H4H - ridiculous
AMRN:
--- Quote from: galo5767 on November 28, 2012, 10:03:07 AM ---
I dont think any poker site that I have played on is rigged, but there seems to be sites that have far too many premiun hands far too often - is this down to RNGs? I dont know.
If you flip a coin 100 times, and it lands heads 100 times, it doesn"t mean the coin is rigged or faulty. Im afraid it does because this would never ever happen unless you use a dodgy coin.
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Sorry, but that"s crap. If it"s a random flip, it can land either way. There is no mandate within the law of probability or the concept of random, to state that it must land one way or the other - the clue is the random bit.... random means it can fall either way, and if it falls heads 100 times in a row, that does not in itself prove that the coin is faulty.
Similarly, the R in RNG stands for Random. You say that a poker site is not rigged, but that it gives too many premium hands - you contradict yourself there. It"s either rigged to provide lots of premium hands, or it"s random. It can"t be both. (and in this day and age of utter integrity and transparency, I doubt any poker site can afford to be anything other than truly random)
Sugar_Free:
--- Quote from: galo5767 on November 28, 2012, 10:03:07 AM ---
If you flip a coin 100 times, and it lands heads 100 times, it doesn"t mean the coin is rigged or faulty. Im afraid it does because this would never ever happen unless you use a dodgy coin.
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I just thought it meant you"re a useless tosser
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: AMRN on November 28, 2012, 09:04:06 AM ---
--- Quote from: AAroddersAA on November 28, 2012, 03:56:38 AM ---
Yes I agree there is a good chance there is something wrong with the coin at this point...
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That"s just like declaring a poker site to be rigged because we have a bad run and lose lots of races! If you flip a coin 100 times, and it lands heads 100 times, it doesn"t mean the coin is rigged or faulty. The law of probability says that a coin will land tails as many times as it lands heads, over time... however the law of probability is not a guarantee that it will land either way.
Anyway back to the original purpose of the thread, I think the extended H4H on BOSS is a joke. :D
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Wait a minute, that quote entirely misrepresents my post and position on the question. Read the rest of the post and I had already pretty much said what you said here.
Of course it"s possible to get the same result in 100 straight fair flips, but if they are part of one billion flips where the coin proves to be fair it is not a problem and almost expected.
Paulie_D:
--- Quote from: AMRN on November 28, 2012, 11:12:37 AM ---
I doubt any poker site can afford to be anything other than truly random)
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Without getting into a lot more, there is no such thing as truly random with an RNG.
The algorithms used are incredibly complex and based in inordinately high numbers but if there were such at thing as a true RNG...then all the sites would use the same one*.
* and people would still moan about them.
galo5767:
--- Quote from: AMRN on November 28, 2012, 11:12:37 AM ---
--- Quote from: galo5767 on November 28, 2012, 10:03:07 AM ---
I dont think any poker site that I have played on is rigged, but there seems to be sites that have far too many premiun hands far too often - is this down to RNGs? I dont know.
If you flip a coin 100 times, and it lands heads 100 times, it doesn"t mean the coin is rigged or faulty. Im afraid it does because this would never ever happen unless you use a dodgy coin.
--- End quote ---
Sorry, but that"s crap. If it"s a random flip, it can land either way. There is no mandate within the law of probability or the concept of random, to state that it must land one way or the other - the clue is the random bit.... random means it can fall either way, and if it falls heads 100 times in a row, that does not in itself prove that the coin is faulty.
Similarly, the R in RNG stands for Random. You say that a poker site is not rigged, but that it gives too many premium hands - you contradict yourself there. It"s either rigged to provide lots of premium hands, or it"s random. It can"t be both. (and in this day and age of utter integrity and transparency, I doubt any poker site can afford to be anything other than truly random)
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WOW I dont think you quite get it. 100 flips = 100 heads is it possible? YES
Is it EVER going to happen? NO, never ever, ever,ever.
Are all RNGs the same? If so, then I admit it must be my imagination that some sites seemto have more premium hands far too often.
If all RNGs arent the same, what makes them different and what are the outcomes of these differences?
The integrity and transparency bit - dont be fooled.
I worked in the casino game for about 15 years and although I never seen anything illegal from the casino side, they have tactics that are morally wrong. That doesnt mean all casinos use certain "tricks of the trade" but some certainly do.
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