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Play by Play - day by day
Fatcatstu:
--- Quote from: Bigfella42 on January 06, 2013, 19:25:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on January 05, 2013, 23:46:01 PM ---
All i would say is, so we raise pre, then they call. We are now out of position and hating our lives on nearly every flop yes?
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No we are in position we"re on the button.
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Are we? I thought we were in Sb? Oops!
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on January 06, 2013, 19:34:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: Bigfella42 on January 06, 2013, 19:25:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on January 05, 2013, 23:46:01 PM ---
All i would say is, so we raise pre, then they call. We are now out of position and hating our lives on nearly every flop yes?
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No we are in position we"re on the button.
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Are we? I thought we were in Sb? Oops!
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we are oop in this scenario where we are discussing the pros and cons of 3b"ing 55 from the sb.
Fatcatstu:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on January 06, 2013, 19:38:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on January 06, 2013, 19:34:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: Bigfella42 on January 06, 2013, 19:25:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on January 05, 2013, 23:46:01 PM ---
All i would say is, so we raise pre, then they call. We are now out of position and hating our lives on nearly every flop yes?
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No we are in position we"re on the button.
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Are we? I thought we were in Sb? Oops!
--- End quote ---
we are oop in this scenario where we are discussing the pros and cons of 3b"ing 55 from the sb.
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Thanks bredan, didnt think i had made that boo-boo :p
AAroddersAA:
Liking every-bodies contributions to this thread and am impressed by how well the community can understand and discuss these situations. I will try and do respond to Nobles post when I have more time as it is pushing the limits of my brain power *lol*.
The 55 from the SB, just because he should not 3-bet does not mean that he won"t of course, some players might. My opinion is that Brendan nailed it when he said my opponent who is decent will at least have some idea about my range for raising the button. My PFR from the button is 27% and my RFI is 74%. My fold to 3-bet stat is actually exploitable (I already know this) and there is a chance this opponent may pick up on that (most don"t). It actually looks like an ideal spot to 3-bet almost ATC but calling with 55 here is likely to be more +EV against my range. He can win a decent sized pot if he hits a set. If my range was tighter it may become a fold due to reverse implied odds at this level with stack sizes. More on that later in the post.
So we have now been raised and here is where my opinion is likely to differ to a lot of peoples. He has made it $1.90, we are not that unhappy about that but personally I am not fist pumping at this point. If I was 100BB deep I would be trying to get all the money into the pot right now. But I am 350BB deep, this is a very different situation.
The "default" play here would be to make it ~$6. If we do this how do we think our opponent is going to play? I think he will maybe think I have AK in my range but I don"t think I do this with AK to be honest, nor do I think I should be. I can have AA here and it does now not look like I have a flush draw. My range is pretty much narrowed to two pair and sets. I am not exactly at the top of that range either. I am kind of repping AA here. I therefore pretty much hate my life if after my raise to $6 he comes back and make it ~$18 or shoves. I don"t think he is expecting me to fold so I don"t see him doing that with a flush draw (with which I would expect him to call the bet to ~$6). That kind of action is screaming SET to me suddenly that very unlikely 55 or AA is a lot more likely. My current session stats make calling the PFR with AA a decent enough play actually.
I am therefore going to call the raise for two reasons:-
1) I keep his range wide and lots of hands I beat are still in the pot
2) Pot control, I don"t want stacks in the middle and a 700BB pot with this hand
One thing that I am aware of that crossed my mind at the time, could the best play with this hand on this flop be to 3bet/fold? If I think hands like AK, 2 pair and flush draws do call the 3-bet but only sets 4-bet then that may be the nut line?
If I call he is going to bet about $3 on the turn which I can call (assuming no heart) and about $6 on the river which I can again call. This makes the pot about 220bb which is about the right size pot my hand wants to play.
If he then checks on the turn I become much more confident and can bet the turn and if he check to me on the river I can again bet for the same result.
Probably not the way most people would play it and not 100% sure that it is correct (although I am pretty sure it is correct at 10nl Zoom tbh). Think it makes for a good discussion though.
Bigfella42:
--- Quote from: TheSnapper on January 06, 2013, 19:38:51 PM ---
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on January 06, 2013, 19:34:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: Bigfella42 on January 06, 2013, 19:25:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: Fatcatstu on January 05, 2013, 23:46:01 PM ---
All i would say is, so we raise pre, then they call. We are now out of position and hating our lives on nearly every flop yes?
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No we are in position we"re on the button.
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Are we? I thought we were in Sb? Oops!
--- End quote ---
we are oop in this scenario where we are discussing the pros and cons of 3b"ing 55 from the sb.
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Sorry
I was referring to OP will teach me to read the whole thread properly.
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