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HOLDorFOLD:
--- Quote from: david3103 on January 07, 2013, 14:32:07 PM ---
It all became interesting when he flats though - does anyone have any idea what his range might be?
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Judging by the title of the thread I am thinking grizzly turns out to have has 67s suited or such like or "oh this is my favourite hand have to play it K2os" ;)
But initially, when first reading it, with no other info to go on I was thinking AK, AQ pairs 55 up to JJ. Any QQ, KK, AA he would have re-popped you pre.
Now that you have also mentioned what he said earlier about not wanting to get involved with larger stacks ... this makes the pre raise more understandable over a shove or a flat and why you thought he would fold. The fact he called would have made me wary post flop. I"m probably giving the guy too much credit here and still checking, then kicking myself afterwards for not getting it in on the flop.
George2Loose:
It"s live poker- you always have to expect them to flat.
I would actually fold here and feel fine about it. You have an awkward stack where 3 bet calling is probs bad and 3 bet folding is just too much of your stack.
I know this sounds gay but would be good to know what the xx is on the flop besides the king. More likely to jam a flop like say K92 then maybe K22 for example as he may fold 77 on the first but call on the second.
George2Loose:
--- Quote from: david3103 on January 07, 2013, 10:01:23 AM ---
Villain - Seat 2 has 100k+. Older than me, grizzled looking - opens utg(possibly +1, my memory is blurred through lack of sleep) to 10,000
Folds to me in LP and I find Ah Qh and raise to 37000** planning on calling a shove, but expecting a fold.
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Oh and nice brag
pokerpops:
--- Quote from: George2Loose on January 07, 2013, 19:28:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: david3103 on January 07, 2013, 10:01:23 AM ---
Villain - Seat 2 has 100k+. Older than me, grizzled looking - opens utg(possibly +1, my memory is blurred through lack of sleep) to 10,000
Folds to me in LP and I find Ah Qh and raise to 37000** planning on calling a shove, but expecting a fold.
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Oh and nice brag
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Cheeky!
The flop was more K74 ish, rainbow.
Folding AQs pre seems so weak though, I know we"ve debated it before and maybe in the early stages of a deepstack I"d find the capacity to play it more quietly, but we"re in a fast(ish) structure with average stack being c20BB plus chunky antes.
I"m prepared to be wrong, and your record says you"re right more than me, but ...
Edited to a less disputatious conclusion. I can be guilty of not listening and not learning, so I"m open to persuasion that folding pre here is ok.
AAroddersAA:
--- Quote from: George2Loose on January 07, 2013, 19:27:40 PM ---
It"s live poker- you always have to expect them to flat.
I would actually fold here and feel fine about it. You have an awkward stack where 3 bet calling is probs bad and 3 bet folding is just too much of your stack.
I know this sounds gay but would be good to know what the xx is on the flop besides the king. More likely to jam a flop like say K92 then maybe K22 for example as he may fold 77 on the first but call on the second.
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Should we really fold this pre George? The spot looks ideal to shove although I admit the 3x raise is a bit of a concern, most people raise less now and 3x raises are often strong. Would it change if he had raised say 2.5x? or min raised?
Is there not enough in there for us to shove and try and take the pot in your opinion? If we are not folding then raise/call and raise fold are both call and I don"t like flatting as if we miss what are we doing then (folding I assume). A shove looks like the best play to me, are th ranges from an EP raise live tighter than I am giving him credit for here?
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