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Season Seven Discussion (Pre-Announcement)
SirPercival:
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--- Quote from: s4ooter on March 17, 2013, 01:33:35 AM ---
Would love to see a ladies event at the WCOAP/ECOAP.
Been mentioned before that there is a huge gap, and i think grabbing hold of the market could be really good.
The standard of the ladies game is very solid in the UK scene, and it would encourage people to get the GFs playing, less arguements when you book the time off and a safe environment for new faces to learn with no "stigma" or "pressure"
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--- Quote from: MacToFront on April 14, 2013, 22:10:31 PM ---
- I also like the idea of a womens event. My missus knows the rules, has played a bit and even won a few homes games and a couple of pub games, but playing live is still a bit scary for her and I think a ladies event might make her more likely to come along to a future event.
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Please do not do this .... ever.
Poker is one of the rare sports/activities that women can compete equally on the same footing as men without discrimination, and more importantly without reduced prize monies! (aka snooker etc). After years of women crying out for acceptance in the mainstream and to not be discriminated against why oh why would you want to create an event that really has no reason to be a single sex game.
Women only Poker event"s tilt the hell out of me, but more so because there is no equal "men"s only" event to run alongside.
There is no reason why women would be at any disadvantage whatsoever playing poker against a man.
The poker environment is like any other "unknown" environment, at first it can appear to be intimidating but actually isn"t. I personally have found that the nicest people I have met have been via the poker circuit (I entered the live circuit as a lone female having no idea what to expect) ... and like other environments, yes there can be the odd rude man although i have to say the most scarey rude people I have encountered across the felt have actually been WOMEN - at the one and only women"s event I ever played when I first started playing ... never again). Guys, if you want your GFs to play then bring them along to any APAT event, a mighty fine way to introduced them to the live scene, and the guys at the table will be more than happy to offer any advice to newbies.
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Post of the year IMO.
A womens event is sexual discrimination against Men unless there is a "mens event" (which sounds equally as daft to me as having a womens event).
The "intimidation" card is also invalid IMO. I felt intimidated the first time I played a live poker event, I was young and inexperienced. Does that mean we should have a "under 25s" event? I was even more intimidated by the woman playing in that same event and now I"m man enough to admit it!
Imagine the outcry if APAT had launched 7 years ago and said an event was going to be men only!
Anyway, as I said in my early post on the subject, I could argue woman have an advantage over men playing poker and if there was a 50/50 split of men/women playing each tourney, my money would be on the ladies winning in the long term.
NellieG:
--- Quote from: SirPercival on April 16, 2013, 13:37:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: HOLDorFOLD on April 15, 2013, 16:12:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: s4ooter on March 17, 2013, 01:33:35 AM ---
Would love to see a ladies event at the WCOAP/ECOAP.
Been mentioned before that there is a huge gap, and i think grabbing hold of the market could be really good.
The standard of the ladies game is very solid in the UK scene, and it would encourage people to get the GFs playing, less arguements when you book the time off and a safe environment for new faces to learn with no "stigma" or "pressure"
--- End quote ---
--- Quote from: MacToFront on April 14, 2013, 22:10:31 PM ---
- I also like the idea of a womens event. My missus knows the rules, has played a bit and even won a few homes games and a couple of pub games, but playing live is still a bit scary for her and I think a ladies event might make her more likely to come along to a future event.
--- End quote ---
Please do not do this .... ever.
Poker is one of the rare sports/activities that women can compete equally on the same footing as men without discrimination, and more importantly without reduced prize monies! (aka snooker etc). After years of women crying out for acceptance in the mainstream and to not be discriminated against why oh why would you want to create an event that really has no reason to be a single sex game.
Women only Poker event"s tilt the hell out of me, but more so because there is no equal "men"s only" event to run alongside.
There is no reason why women would be at any disadvantage whatsoever playing poker against a man.
The poker environment is like any other "unknown" environment, at first it can appear to be intimidating but actually isn"t. I personally have found that the nicest people I have met have been via the poker circuit (I entered the live circuit as a lone female having no idea what to expect) ... and like other environments, yes there can be the odd rude man although i have to say the most scarey rude people I have encountered across the felt have actually been WOMEN - at the one and only women"s event I ever played when I first started playing ... never again). Guys, if you want your GFs to play then bring them along to any APAT event, a mighty fine way to introduced them to the live scene, and the guys at the table will be more than happy to offer any advice to newbies.
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Post of the year IMO.
A womens event is sexual discrimination against Men unless there is a "mens event" (which sounds equally as daft to me as having a womens event).
The "intimidation" card is also invalid IMO. I felt intimidated the first time I played a live poker event, I was young and inexperienced. Does that mean we should have a "under 25s" event? I was even more intimidated by the woman playing in that same event and now I"m man enough to admit it!
Imagine the outcry if APAT had launched 7 years ago and said an event was going to be men only!
Anyway, as I said in my early post on the subject, I could argue woman have an advantage over men playing poker and if there was a 50/50 split of men/women playing each tourney, my money would be on the ladies winning in the long term.
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+ 1
Great post by Holdy (and not because she is my daughter)! It is not a physical game, except gathering your chips, which can be a problem with my arthritic hands that gender does not effect. I have found most women I have come across a poker table can be more aggressive than men, perhaps that is why they have the knack of keeping their men in order ;)
I was nearing 70 when I first entered a poker room and was quaking at my knees so cannot imagine how she had the guts to walk into a poker room for the first time by herself!
Curlarge:
--- Quote from: SirPercival on April 16, 2013, 13:37:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: HOLDorFOLD on April 15, 2013, 16:12:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: s4ooter on March 17, 2013, 01:33:35 AM ---
Would love to see a ladies event at the WCOAP/ECOAP.
Been mentioned before that there is a huge gap, and i think grabbing hold of the market could be really good.
The standard of the ladies game is very solid in the UK scene, and it would encourage people to get the GFs playing, less arguements when you book the time off and a safe environment for new faces to learn with no "stigma" or "pressure"
--- End quote ---
--- Quote from: MacToFront on April 14, 2013, 22:10:31 PM ---
- I also like the idea of a womens event. My missus knows the rules, has played a bit and even won a few homes games and a couple of pub games, but playing live is still a bit scary for her and I think a ladies event might make her more likely to come along to a future event.
--- End quote ---
Please do not do this .... ever.
Poker is one of the rare sports/activities that women can compete equally on the same footing as men without discrimination, and more importantly without reduced prize monies! (aka snooker etc). After years of women crying out for acceptance in the mainstream and to not be discriminated against why oh why would you want to create an event that really has no reason to be a single sex game.
Women only Poker event"s tilt the hell out of me, but more so because there is no equal "men"s only" event to run alongside.
There is no reason why women would be at any disadvantage whatsoever playing poker against a man.
The poker environment is like any other "unknown" environment, at first it can appear to be intimidating but actually isn"t. I personally have found that the nicest people I have met have been via the poker circuit (I entered the live circuit as a lone female having no idea what to expect) ... and like other environments, yes there can be the odd rude man although i have to say the most scarey rude people I have encountered across the felt have actually been WOMEN - at the one and only women"s event I ever played when I first started playing ... never again). Guys, if you want your GFs to play then bring them along to any APAT event, a mighty fine way to introduced them to the live scene, and the guys at the table will be more than happy to offer any advice to newbies.
--- End quote ---
Post of the year IMO.
A womens event is sexual discrimination against Men unless there is a "mens event" (which sounds equally as daft to me as having a womens event).
The "intimidation" card is also invalid IMO. I felt intimidated the first time I played a live poker event, I was young and inexperienced. Does that mean we should have a "under 25s" event? I was even more intimidated by the woman playing in that same event and now I"m man enough to admit it!
Imagine the outcry if APAT had launched 7 years ago and said an event was going to be men only!
Anyway, as I said in my early post on the subject, I could argue woman have an advantage over men playing poker and if there was a 50/50 split of men/women playing each tourney, my money would be on the ladies winning in the long term.
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You were playing back in the 60"s, WOW.....who knew ;D
Kronsdat:
Buy ins - Stay at £75? Increase? Decrease? Side events?
The present set up seems fine to me and generates enough prize money to be attractive, so I don"t see any particular reason to change it.
Festival style three and four day events - good? or too long?
A couple of 3/4 day festivals (as I think we currently have) seems fine, but I"m not sure you would get a lot of support for an increased number of them.
Timing - An event every month, every two months, or four big festivals every year maybe?
A live event every two months, with the on-line "equivalent" the month before. That gives us something every month of the season and maintains interest I think.
WCOAP - Should it extend further with the addition of two day side events and an even larger main event?
Seemed to work fine as it is to me.
Team events - Should we invite multiple teams from same communities? structure?
Again, I liked what happened this year. I think the team event was the most fun thing this season and I"ve heard others say the same. I don"t see why there should be multiple teams from particular communities, as the team event is already oversubscribed.
Formats - Should we be looking to include anything new? Should we run one of the nationals in a different format, outside of the WCOAP and ECOAP?
Why?
Registration - Thoughts on satellites, direct buy in via client, generic satellite packages versus specific satellite packages, should satellites packages include a contribution towards travel and hotel?
If the satellites could be done via poker.co.uk that would be fine I think. Best to avoid too many other sites as people find negotiating some of them a pain (I"m talking about you William Hill!) I think they should just be entry fee paid only - so that the number of players "paid" in a satellite tourney is maximised.
Seat reservation - Should this continue? If so, why? If we added a Paypal button to enable players to pay the 10% fee upfront, would this work? So players not taking up their reservation would lose the fee element of their buy in?
That sounds like a good idea - it would stop people just registering "on spec" when they know they are probably not going to actually go.
Locations - Overseas? New locations? For example we could take the ECOAP to Western Europe. Would players come, if destination was cheap and outside of holiday periods?
It doesn"t particularly appeal to me, though having the European tournament on the continent occasionally seems an obvious idea. It would need to be well timed (a bank holiday?) to make it practical for a decent number of the regs to get there.
Commercial - To increase our budgets we might ask you to qualify for events at a third party site, or join us for a crazy night of blackjack or slots tournaments. Is this acceptable, not acceptable, would stop you playing, etc?
It wouldn"t be of any interest to me - enough of my family and friends already think I"m a degerate gambler as it is!
Awards - Further develop the medals? More bracelets? Differentiate between live and online event awards? Added value?
Fine as it stands to my mind.
Merchandise - Should we sell stuff? Shirts, cards, chip set, card protectors? How deep should the range be? High quality or cheap? Would you buy high resolution pictures of yourself at events, branded with the event name, APAT logo and in an APAT sleeve?
Decent quality stuff, why not? Mark Lassman penguins would be a big hit I think.
Keep up the good work guys.
GiMac:
--- Quote from: HOLDorFOLD on April 15, 2013, 16:12:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: s4ooter on March 17, 2013, 01:33:35 AM ---
Would love to see a ladies event at the WCOAP/ECOAP.
Been mentioned before that there is a huge gap, and i think grabbing hold of the market could be really good.
The standard of the ladies game is very solid in the UK scene, and it would encourage people to get the GFs playing, less arguements when you book the time off and a safe environment for new faces to learn with no "stigma" or "pressure"
--- End quote ---
--- Quote from: MacToFront on April 14, 2013, 22:10:31 PM ---
- I also like the idea of a womens event. My missus knows the rules, has played a bit and even won a few homes games and a couple of pub games, but playing live is still a bit scary for her and I think a ladies event might make her more likely to come along to a future event.
--- End quote ---
Please do not do this .... ever.
Poker is one of the rare sports/activities that women can compete equally on the same footing as men without discrimination, and more importantly without reduced prize monies! (aka snooker etc). After years of women crying out for acceptance in the mainstream and to not be discriminated against why oh why would you want to create an event that really has no reason to be a single sex game.
Women only Poker event"s tilt the hell out of me, but more so because there is no equal "men"s only" event to run alongside.
There is no reason why women would be at any disadvantage whatsoever playing poker against a man.
The poker environment is like any other "unknown" environment, at first it can appear to be intimidating but actually isn"t. I personally have found that the nicest people I have met have been via the poker circuit (I entered the live circuit as a lone female having no idea what to expect) ... and like other environments, yes there can be the odd rude man although i have to say the most scarey rude people I have encountered across the felt have actually been WOMEN - at the one and only women"s event I ever played when I first started playing ... never again). Guys, if you want your GFs to play then bring them along to any APAT event, a mighty fine way to introduced them to the live scene, and the guys at the table will be more than happy to offer any advice to newbies.
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Sigh, puts kilt back in wardrobe. ::) ::) ::)
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