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WYoung83:
i dont mind the 3 bet, maybe c bet bigger on flop, But i actually think the turn is a really bad card and you should check. Easy fold now.
noble1:
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I prefer flatting pre, with stacks closer to 200bb the squeeze has merit but i think here once the first guy calls, the second guy is always coming along, and you have to play with a small pot to stack ratio vs him. IP you can semi bluff alot of stuff which will put pressure on either villain with much more money behind that you can"t really do as well in a 3bet pot.
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--- Quote from: deanp27 on February 18, 2013, 17:15:38 PM ---
Pre should be bigger, especially in a squeeeeeeze spot. I"d need major history to consider calling river, he"d have to have 78s or something for you to win
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hmmm preflop 3bet sizing when deep, all depends on your personal style imho, i play a fair bit of deep stack cash online and i tend to 3bet very frequently ip :) some might find this counter intuitive to make your 3bet sizing smaller, but deep and ip we should imo be encouraging calls then we can use the concepts of stack leverage and positional leverage to there full potential...
Question for David preflop - roughly what sort of continuing range did u think villains might continue with to your 3bet? [thats flatting and 4betting]
is there any specific reason for why you chose to 3bet J9s, plus at the time what did u think the villains perceived your range as?
another question for David postflop - what were your reasons for the bet sizes you made on the flop and turn?
pokerpops:
--- Quote from: noble1 on February 19, 2013, 19:40:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: sedds on February 18, 2013, 17:45:33 PM ---
I prefer flatting pre, with stacks closer to 200bb the squeeze has merit but i think here once the first guy calls, the second guy is always coming along, and you have to play with a small pot to stack ratio vs him. IP you can semi bluff alot of stuff which will put pressure on either villain with much more money behind that you can"t really do as well in a 3bet pot.
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--- Quote from: deanp27 on February 18, 2013, 17:15:38 PM ---
Pre should be bigger, especially in a squeeeeeeze spot. I"d need major history to consider calling river, he"d have to have 78s or something for you to win
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hmmm preflop 3bet sizing when deep, all depends on your personal style imho, i play a fair bit of deep stack cash online and i tend to 3bet very frequently ip :) some might find this counter intuitive to make your 3bet sizing smaller, but deep and ip we should imo be encouraging calls then we can use the concepts of stack leverage and positional leverage to there full potential...
Question for David preflop - roughly what sort of continuing range did u think villains might continue with to your 3bet? [thats flatting and 4betting]
is there any specific reason for why you chose to 3bet J9s, plus at the time what did u think the villains perceived your range as?
another question for David postflop - what were your reasons for the bet sizes you made on the flop and turn?
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It was something "in the moment" tbh. I had the button, the stack, a hand that can flop really well, and generally not put me in the horns of a dilemma, and given this guy has only just arrived i also had the old guy image so I expect him to fold virtually zero because he plans on outplaying me postflop, so he"ll flat most of his range and 4bet the very top end, say JJ+, AQ+ and possibly the rubbish.
He has nothing to use to get to a range for me other than image (true for me of him too, but the kidz are easier to spot aren"t they) but he"s expecting me to be strong.
Half pot on the flop, in hindsight another £5 might be better.
Two callers.....
once the guy to my right calls the flop as well as villain it makes it tougher for any of us. I"ve sat with this guy for 5hrs, if he"s got a big hand, flopped set etc he"ll let me know by his betting. But his presence makes it harder for villain to make a move on the turn because it"s really hard to get through two players...
£40 felt right... It"s not necessarily the best way to decide on bet sizes, and it wasn"t based on the pot size at that stage.
Walk me through the process of improving that sizing..
noble1:
--- Quote ---Walk me through the process of improving that sizing..
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jeepers hard to say without some idea of the villains ranges and there post flop tendencies...
in general my thoughts as a starting point on what your flop/turn bet sizing playing deep at this type of level could be are - the small flop sizing will generate looser calls, so villains can and most probably will peel with more marginal holdings that can improve on the turn, so i don"t agree with 1/2 potting top 2 in this spot, 75% to pot given flop texture and the pre flop 3bet sizing would be better imho, setting up smaller bets on a lot of turn cards which still threaten villains stack.. BUT still leaves room to set up profitable bluffs/vb"s for your range as a whole.
TheSnapper:
--- Quote from: david3103 on February 19, 2013, 22:27:58 PM ---
It was something "in the moment" tbh. I had the button, the stack, a hand that can flop really well, and generally not put me in the horns of a dilemma, and given this guy has only just arrived i also had the old guy image so I expect him to fold virtually zero because he plans on outplaying me postflop, so he"ll flat most of his range and 4bet the very top end, say JJ+, AQ+ and possibly the rubbish.
He has nothing to use to get to a range for me other than image (true for me of him too, but the kidz are easier to spot aren"t they) but he"s expecting me to be strong.
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This bit confuses me, villain is decent, oop and due to your "old guy image" expects you to have a strong range. Yet you think villain will "flat most of his range and 4bet the very top end, say JJ+, AQ+ and possibly the rubbish."
Surely if villain is decent, oop and expects you to have a strong range. He should never ever 3b lite excepting he reads your small 3b as weak.
Given you expect to be called 100% then your 3b is not a bluff right?
How did you see the hand would develop in a way that you could profit?
edit to add: Please hold off on posting results.
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