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Is this an unnecessary risk?

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Jon MW:
Most of the time they were folding or raising to continuation bets, which I was doing frequently (obv)

My thinking was that when they called the flop bet they weren"t dead, but they didn"t have any kind of decent hand and they wanted to see whether I"d carry on betting - perhaps they were considering floating a bluff.

After the turn I thought one of them might have just picked up a flush draw and the other one had a pair of some sort but it was kings with a rag kicker at best, but more likely a 10 or an even lower pocket pair.

On the river I thought one of them had definitely missed either a straight or flush draw and the other one would look a bit silly if they called an all in with a low pair and I turned over a king (this was where a bit of "hoping rather than calculation came in), if either had a pair of kings with a weak kicker I think they would have still called.

Also either of them could have been slow playing a monster - but I just hoped they weren"t.

My thinking was obviously most like Zanshins, particularly

--- Quote ---To be honest I think if I'd taken it this far I'd push the rest of the way and hope they have both missed their draws or that they now panic with their weak K or 10 and finally believe you have a hand
--- End quote ---

and I think that might have happened but this is essentially why I normally just play tight - it"s a lot more stressful when you try triple-barreled all-in bluffs, got the heart rate going a bit though  :D

mal666:
the damnxx guy wouldve had less than 1k left ,looking at a pot of around 4.5k.
the only hand he can fold on the river is exactly J Q.
the other dude has about 1700 left but he has to call out of turn with what must be a 10 10 5 5 K hand, he may believe he has u tied or even beat but doesnt think he can beat the other guy so he releases the most likely winning hand.
so unless u can put these events in order as above the question u asked is yes,
totally unnecessary

evilpie:
I think this is being vastly overcomplicated in trying to work out what their hands are.

I think the most likely answer is that they are both typical online fish who"ve missed and can"t call an all in on the river.

Calling the 350 on that flop makes no sense unless they are laying a trap (doubtful they"re good enough to do that)

Calling the 650 again makes no sense unless it"s a trap. If they"re good they should know that it"s not worth calling the 650 to hit either a straight or flush with their stacks. They"re just not getting the right odds, whether pot or implied and even if they hit they could still be behind.

These sort of plays are a vital part of online poker. I think your bluff was brilliant and you managed to catch out 2 poor players who probably had an ace each and were hoping to hit it. I"ve lost count of the number of times I"ve bet out the flop and turn then got weak at the river and ended up losing where a big bet / all in would probably have won the pot. Well played fella  ;D

Don"t give them too much credit, they just don"t deserve it. Take the risk that they"ve missed and shove it in!! If they were slow playing a monster then fair enough they deserve the chips.

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