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dwh103:
If Villain has seen you call OOP or play substandard holdings to a 4x raise (this hand is v spewy) - he"s far more likely to call with top 2 in the original spot.

Swinebag:
Opening AQo and s from anywhere but not 4xing. I like 4 fiddy here.

The peel with K5s is terrible. You are OOP and are more likely to lose a decent pot and generally only win small ones. You can easily justify a 3bet or peel if you are in position but this is just classic chip leakage.

As played, you did well post flop. The small donk lead then reraise is a line that sets have played as well as FDs. Though by shipping you are tending more towards the bluff.

I fold just about everything to that line, but probably call off top 2 here. You were just unlucky that you ran into this hand.

In addition Craig, you are too decent a player to be getting this creative this early in the comp. There are so many spots and easy chips that you can afford a less risky aggressive approach and still chip up nicely.

Zozzy:
Thanks Rob for the compliment, and thanks to you and everyone else who have offered constructive criticism. (basically of my pre-flop call OOP which on the face of it in isolation has rightly been identified as poor).
I have tried to justify my pre-flop call with the knowledge I have of the Button player, who is a situational player that doesn"t necessarily play his own holdings, senses weakness & folds to aggression.
It was very interesting for me to read comments initially from the point of view of the utg player which confirmed to me that I had put him in a difficult spot.

I have taken on board all your helpful comments and advice about my less than optimal play, and will use them to improve my thinking in future, in my progress up the MTT ladder.

Drewski:
I agree that your SB call was pretty spewy but let"s try and be a little more constructive. I see that you justified this as the villain seems to be picking situations and so you were looking to out play him which is fine, but i hate this spot. He has shown strength raising from UTG and doesn"t look like a situational play, just basic ABC. I guess you are also assuming that the Button is calling because he is a good player playing position often?

If I"m going after the UTG player I certainly want to isolate when I will have position. I"d also much rather have a hand that is likely to flop well like suited conectors. Unfortunately you are not going to have position very often against him and I think that may have frustrated you here? Especially as you then seem to read the button as a squeeze and jam.

If you really wanted to make a play here then perhaps the squeeze play is the best option pre flop? Do you have any reads about him folding to three bets?

noble1:
some of my views on donk betting that might get you thinking on when to do it etc.

donk leading has a lot to do with your range construction OOP and how you think your opponent views certain board textures for cbetting, knowing whether or not your opponent views KT9ssh , 765ssh AQ3hhs or 79Tcch as good or bad boards for his cbetting range is really important.
i view leading in the main as an adjustment dependent on the board texture to a opponents range and  whether or not i think he has a depolarized or a polarized cbetting range or i can use donk betting to anticipate as a counter measure to any turn or river card where i expect my opponent/s to check behind because it"s a good card for my perceived range.
i think its better in general as a line to take on low, connected and suited boards when you can represent a range of sets, 2 pairs and draws to prevent the opponent from raising you ruthlessly and where you can bluff with equity versus the opponents calling range.
for donk betting to work well 2 vital ingredients are needed imho,  if you are OOP its handy if you have an extremely strong perceived range, you have good image and that the opponent/s can hand read reasonably well.

good players cbet as a strategy either 2 below or mix it up.
polarized cbetting range - villain is cbetting strong hands for value and draws/air as a bluff
depolarized cbetting range - villain is cbetting a range of strong to medium weak hands and draws

bad players cbet either just for value and on odd occasions will make weird small bet sizes as blockers or they are aggro cbettors who over do it no matter what the board texture/opponents etc etc

the first step is to figure out how your opponents cbet and then you can think of ways to counter it [donk betting for example] then throw in post flop reads...


there is a old thread somewhere where we discussed donk betting plus there is a link to a old blonde thread/2+2 thread where a player called the camel got donk bet into when he held AA on a tricky board texture. [high buy in but still gives a good perspective of the type of player donk betting works well against]

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