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Season Seven Seat Reservation
AAroddersAA:
It really doesn"t matter how many of the no shows were APAT regulars (I would assume none) the situation is that there were 30 eople who reserved a seat and did not turn up.
It does seem like we a looking for a perfect solution that does not exist here. People are suggesting putting the £5 as part of the buyin or getting people to pay the full buyin up front. Des has already explained that this would invovle transfering the money to the casino and bring with it all the admin issues and form filling along with the requiement to take the seats off sale about two weeks before the event.
The £5 charge may put new players off as well. People are saying it"s only £5 but if somebody is new to APAT it is an additional cost, although it is not one they HAVE to pay.
Not sure of the best solution, I would pay the £5 and not really worry about it but can see the concerns raised about attracting newer players.
Paulie_D:
--- Quote from: PHIL_TC on June 03, 2013, 10:30:25 AM ---
--- Quote from: Mikeyboy9361 on June 03, 2013, 09:12:18 AM ---
I would make it £20 out of the buy in. Just my two pennorth.
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Agree with Mikey x
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A lot of people have mentioned this idea but Des has mentioned that any figure that forms a part of the buy-in needs to be sent to the casino two weeks ahead of time and the registration closed...and as such seems to be a non-starter.
I don"t think there is a solution that will please everyone and certainly there are issues with every idea I"ve seen listed so far including the original suggestion.
They will either potentially dis-incentivise new members, add additional cost, not really reduce the admin, not stop the drop-outs, aren"t feasible or some combination of the above.
I don"t know what the answer is but I"m of the opinion that the £5 option is the "least worst" option...if we have to have one.
EDIT: I see Steve has just posted almost exactly the same thing while I was typing. :)
AMRN:
Given that APAT has a Paypal account in place for the Staking arrangement, can we not utilise that?
Perhaps when reserving a seat, we send an amount (£5?) to APAT via Paypal, and if we turn up at the tournament, that £5 is shipped back after the event.... if we don"t turn up, it is retained.
Not sure how much admin that would invoke - is it possible to submit Paypal refunds in bulk?
PHIL_TC:
--- Quote from: AMRN on June 03, 2013, 11:17:39 AM ---
Given that APAT has a Paypal account in place for the Staking arrangement, can we not utilise that?
Perhaps when reserving a seat, we send an amount (£5?) to APAT via Paypal, and if we turn up at the tournament, that £5 is shipped back after the event.... if we don"t turn up, it is retained.
Not sure how much admin that would invoke - is it possible to submit Paypal refunds in bulk?
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I think PayPal would charge 3.4% +20p on those transactions Steve but not 100% sure x
gosling67:
--- Quote from: Paulie_D on June 03, 2013, 11:00:32 AM ---They will either potentially dis-incentivise new members, add additional cost, not really reduce the admin, not stop the drop-outs, aren"t feasible or some combination of the above.
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^ This
Studies have shown that a reg fee might actually make the situation worse as people feel they"ve paid for the right to drop out. http://tuvalu.santafe.edu/~bowles/Forethought.pdf gives an example of nurseries which started charging parents who were late picking up their kids. It resulted in more lateness as parents thought they were then paying for a service, rather than feeling a moral obligation to turn up on time.
Not sure what to suggest as an alternative though ...
Suggestion for pre-payment of tourney fees: As a lot of people use online banking now, could we just do direct transfers to the APAT bank account? There"d be no bank charges for anyone then (I think).
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